Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.

[visiblelurker]

So off-topic, but as always when I am bored, I am compiling information. Does anyone remember the ticket costs/tiers for the US tour dates?

Also, I know we had discussed sponsors for the tour, but I don't think we ever discussed what their take on profits would have been. Anyone have any ideas?

[kuensukki]

I don't if we've moved on but I love the topic so I want to speak on it.phamnotof i thoroughly enjoyed your analysis on the difference between Dan and Phil. People don't tend to notice much but Phil is quite flamboyant in the way he moves and stands as we as his hand flicks. As you said there's a certain elegance about it. Also the way he stands with his hip jutted out to the side a bit and hunched almost looks like my sassy little sisters pose

In TATINOF the first thing noticeable to me was Dan's posture. He stands so strangely with both his hands on his hips and struts around while pushing the top half of his body forward and sucking his stomach back. With Phil he's really bouncy and seems to move well with whatever he's doing. They both act a bit over the top and personaish but you can also sense a little awkwardness in them. There was also a vast difference in how they acknowledge applause and screaming. While Dan walked towards the stage closer to fans and encouraged more screaming, Phil would back a way a bit look unsure of what to make of it, either backing away and looking sheepish or giving an awkwardly wave. I noticed this more in the end then throughout the show when the made their final goodbyes and the earthquake of screaming fangirls happened.

Winston agree with Phil looking ethereal on stage, I was leaning so close to salivate over his beauty that I probably scared the poor people in front of me His unique angles really work with the spotlight

Re: airport debate: Fans need to understand that they are tired after a flight and have 12+ girls waiting to take pictures is not ideal to come back to. I feel like with every fandom, the Phandom as well feels entitled to ask for pictures and stalk their faves but at the end of the day it's not something they enjoy or are particularly comfortable with. I can literally see the pain in Phil's eyes when he sees how much money he's going to lose with these free M&G's :mrgreen:

[alittledizzy]

OK fine let's all just agree that Dan is a straight queerbaiter exploiting fan investment in his and Phil's relationship purely for money and move on. You win. What a great guy to stan. Let's all be proud of our life choices and the integrity of knowingly and actively supporting a manipulative money-hungry fake.

I choose all of my fandom interests based on who has the most cold-hearted attitude toward manipulating fans into an emotional connection based on areas of implied vulnerability. Frankly I'm just not satisfied unless they've put at least seven years into the facade and fully committed.

Which is why I can't wait to buy Dan and Phil Go Outside and Straight to the Bank With That Sweet Queerbait Earned Cash. That's how you earn my loyalty, youtubers. Take note.

[bluewho]

Interesting observation that Dan keeps bending his knees etc. ... Ages ago someone pointed out that he makes himself smaller in videos like baking the pumpkin cookies as if he's trying to be smaller than Phil again. It's the most adorable theory.

Do you guys think this could also be about some kind of insecurity about his height? It came up in the diss track as well; "you're freakishly tall, it's weird you look like a noodle". Maybe he's just self conscious

OK fine let's all just agree that Dan is a straight queerbaiter exploiting fan investment in his and Phil's relationship purely for money and move on. You win. What a great guy to stan. Let's all be proud of our life choices and the integrity of knowingly and actively supporting a manipulative money-hungry fake.

I choose all of my fandom interests based on who has the most cold-hearted attitude toward manipulating fans into an emotional connection based on areas of implied vulnerability. Frankly I'm just not satisfied unless they've put at least seven years into the facade and fully committed.

Which is why I can't wait to buy Dan and Phil Go Outside and Straight to the Bank With That Sweet Queerbait Earned Cash. That's how you earn my loyalty, youtubers. Take note.

fleur If we are operating under the assumption that Dan wants to "give the phan shippers what they want" then why would they include the separate bedrooms in the DITL? Likewise, assuming Dan's hints towards his sexuality being 'not straight' are a lie paints a pretty damning picture of Dan's character - and what would warrant such a damning view - have you been given any reason not to trust what he says?
anyway....

Dan seems to like presenting The always-falling-down-jeans being exhibit A, particularly prominent at 3 mins:

Kind of interesting dialogue too regarding what was said earlier about Dan encouraging screaming and Phil shying away from it - Dan starts 'presenting' and saying 'mm yeah' and Phil says he's 'not comfortable with this... NO!'.

[spider]

OK fine let's all just agree that Dan is a straight queerbaiter exploiting fan investment in his and Phil's relationship purely for money and move on. You win. What a great guy to stan. Let's all be proud of our life choices and the integrity of knowingly and actively supporting a manipulative money-hungry fake.

I choose all of my fandom interests based on who has the most cold-hearted attitude toward manipulating fans into an emotional connection based on areas of implied vulnerability. Frankly I'm just not satisfied unless they've put at least seven years into the facade and fully committed.

Which is why I can't wait to buy Dan and Phil Go Outside and Straight to the Bank With That Sweet Queerbait Earned Cash. That's how you earn my loyalty, youtubers. Take note.

fancybum dizzy

Fleur why are you a fan if you think Dan is such a bad person that he queerbaits his audience for so many years for money even though he is straight? You are as bad for supporting him.

There is no point arguing with straight people who insist that everybody else must be straight because they refuse to listen to LGBT who have lived different experiences. If Dan made a sex tape with a man it would probably be 'experimentation' or 'platonic bros helping each other out after being single for so many years'. If Dan married a man it would be 'for taxes' or 'for publicity to help his suffering career' because he makes such bad content that people can only like him for being in a pretend relationship with his biffle even though he denied it so many times.

IDB is for entertainment and fun for me. Not for arguing with the same toxic things people say to me and other LGBT in real life. Done with this discussion. Keep saying the same ignorant things if you want but personally I am not going to reply after this.

[ohgod]

Heeeey, longtime lurker here.

So I know everyone is incredibly sick of this topic and it's been beaten into the ground by this point (sorry), but I have a question that I don't think I've seen brought up here before.

Hypothetical situation: If, at some point in the future, Dan were to "come out" as straight, how would you react?

I personally have no idea what his sexuality might be, and don't really speculate about it because I don't feel like I have enough information to make any assumptions on it. In my mind, it could be anything.

That said, if he were to say he was straight it wouldn't faze me or change how I feel about him. However, since people on here tend to speculate a bit more and have much stronger opinions than I do (no judgement intended, just an observation I've made), I'm curious as to what you would think if this happened. Would you be upset with him? Stop supporting him?

[blueapple_x]

Heeeey, longtime lurker here.

So I know everyone is incredibly sick of this topic and it's been beaten into the ground by this point (sorry), but I have a question that I don't think I've seen brought up here before.

Hypothetical situation: If, at some point in the future, Dan were to "come out" as straight, how would you react?

I personally have no idea what his sexuality might be, and don't really speculate about it because I don't feel like I have enough information to make any assumptions on it. In my mind, it could be anything.

That said, if he were to say he was straight it wouldn't faze me or change how I feel about him. However, since people on here tend to speculate a bit more and have much stronger opinions than I do (no judgement intended, just an observation I've made), I'm curious as to what you would think if this happened. Would you be upset with him? Stop supporting him?

Hi ohgod! Welcome.

I'm not a mod but I just want to do some promo for a thread I made called Bingo Board Bants. Your question is probably better suited there since I made that thread with the intention of giving people a space off the main thread to talk about repetitive/rehashed topics (as people sometimes get irritated seeing repetitive topics in the main thread)

Here is the thread: http://indepthbants.com/topic427.html

[fancybum]

Hypothetical situation: If, at some point in the future, Dan were to "come out" as straight, how would you react?

I personally have no idea what his sexuality might be, and don't really speculate about it because I don't feel like I have enough information to make any assumptions on it. In my mind, it could be anything.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... SIbIAhKuGd

[ohgod]

Heeeey, longtime lurker here.

So I know everyone is incredibly sick of this topic and it's been beaten into the ground by this point (sorry), but I have a question that I don't think I've seen brought up here before.

Hypothetical situation: If, at some point in the future, Dan were to "come out" as straight, how would you react?

I personally have no idea what his sexuality might be, and don't really speculate about it because I don't feel like I have enough information to make any assumptions on it. In my mind, it could be anything.

That said, if he were to say he was straight it wouldn't faze me or change how I feel about him. However, since people on here tend to speculate a bit more and have much stronger opinions than I do (no judgement intended, just an observation I've made), I'm curious as to what you would think if this happened. Would you be upset with him? Stop supporting him?

Hi ohgod! Welcome.

I'm not a mod but I just want to do some promo for a thread I made called Bingo Board Bants. Your question is probably better suited there since I made that thread with the intention of giving people a space off the main thread to talk about repetitive topics (as people sometimes get irritated seeing repetitive topics in the main thread)

Here is the thread: http://indepthbants.com/topic427.html

Ah, thank you! Apologies for not noticing that thread before.

Hypothetical situation: If, at some point in the future, Dan were to "come out" as straight, how would you react?

Hahaha, exactly why I said "hypothetical situation". I figured that people would find it extremely unlikely.

[manged]

SHANE ALERT

https://soundcloud.com/shaneandfriends/ ... ea-russett
@ 44:10 ish

Context: He and his co-host are trying to figure out YouTube dudes for their guest, Andrea, to date. D&P get brought up, and well I think the awkward hesitation says a lot, even if Shane insists it wasn't "shade".

[uglyamerican]

Hi!


(gifs source: okdaniel)

Oquaaaaa what a beautiful return
Dan really is quite flexible for someone so huge

It looks like he's actually trying to stretch his thigh muscles and lower back...

[uglyamerican]

Re: Dan's butt (or lack thereof):

It's geometry. Dan upper butt cheeks / lower back don't have the curvature necessary to support his pants of choice - it's just that simple. Low cut skinny jeans need something to hold them up, and Dan just doesn't have it where he needs it. Interestingly, his hips/thighs have plenty of heft - maybe they have too much purchase, which acts to actually pull his pants down. Poor boy. First world problem. Fun to watch

[swofro]

SHANE ALERT

https://soundcloud.com/shaneandfriends/ ... ea-russett
@ 44:10 ish

Context: He and his co-host are trying to figure out YouTube dudes for their guest, Andrea, to date. D&P get brought up, and well I think the awkward hesitation says a lot, even if Shane insists it wasn't "shade".

Can you write a transcript of what he said, manged, because I am extremely lazy. Lol. pls dont kill me

[anathema]

SHANE ALERT

https://soundcloud.com/shaneandfriends/ ... ea-russett
@ 44:10 ish

Context: He and his co-host are trying to figure out YouTube dudes for their guest, Andrea, to date. D&P get brought up, and well I think the awkward hesitation says a lot, even if Shane insists it wasn't "shade".

Can you write a transcript of what he said, manged, because I am extremely lazy. Lol. pls dont kill me

Someone I don't know the name of (Jess?): Dan or Phil?
Shane: I- [pause] [laugh] No, first of all, I love them, so that wasn't shade, I'm just- um, anyways

And then they talk about them for like 30 seconds, but nothing interesting.

[fancybum]

Can you write a transcript of what he said, manged, because I am extremely lazy. Lol. pls dont kill me

Andrea: Out of the YT world, who do you think would be the perfect match for me?
Shane: That's hard because I don't know any of their names because they're not worthy, but--
Andrea: Yeah, I know, I get that. Like, if anyone relates, I get it
Shane: Oh my god, YT guys, YT guys. Who's like a YT guy? Umm
Jess: Dan or Phil?
Shane: I-- Hm-- *heartily laughs* No, first of all, I love them, so that wasn't shade, I'm just-- anyways-- Um. Ok. Um.
Andrea: They're great
Shane: Yeah, they are. I've never-- Oh, I have met them. One time I met them my mom freaked out
Andrea: I met them briefly and I was like-- I couldn't speak
Shane: No, Dan was wearing a leather shirt and I licked it
Jess: They were at the booth next to Lisa at VidCon two years ago
Shane: Did you meet them?
Jess: No, I was in the back with Lisa and we were back there and I was like 'girl, if that's your line, it's really long' and she turns to me and says 'fuck you Jessica I'm next to them!' like they had the long line
Shane: That's so funny

Then they move on to other people.

Lol anathema beat me but I already wrote it out, including the not interesting parts, so whatever.

And for maybe a bit of context: Jess is completely out of the loop with youtube people, she only knows of D&P from the VidCon thing she mentioned, so wouldn't be aware of any 'rumours' I don't think. So her suggesting them is just her suggesting YT guys. The reaction of the other two is the interesting part, quickly changing the subject to how they're great, but avoiding the dating topic and not dwelling. M'kay.

[swofro]

Thanks anathema and fancybum

I don't think Shane of all people know about 's nature of relationship, but he might just wanna avoid the shitstorm if he so ever said something about deppy and dating in someone else besides each other

[fleur]

OK fine let's all just agree that Dan is a straight queerbaiter exploiting fan investment in his and Phil's relationship purely for money and move on. You win. What a great guy to stan. Let's all be proud of our life choices and the integrity of knowingly and actively supporting a manipulative money-hungry fake.

I choose all of my fandom interests based on who has the most cold-hearted attitude toward manipulating fans into an emotional connection based on areas of implied vulnerability. Frankly I'm just not satisfied unless they've put at least seven years into the facade and fully committed.

Which is why I can't wait to buy Dan and Phil Go Outside and Straight to the Bank With That Sweet Queerbait Earned Cash. That's how you earn my loyalty, youtubers. Take note.

fancybum dizzy

Fleur why are you a fan if you think Dan is such a bad person that he queerbaits his audience for so many years for money even though he is straight? You are as bad for supporting him.

I am not a fan of Dan, I like his old videos but that's about it. He really has become pretty fake to me. His videos are so forced, unfunny and uninspired nowadays and I actively dislike the “loud“ persona he displays in some videos, I dislike his attitude and the way he talks in live shows (it often feels as if he felt superior to his audience to me, almost arrogant) and I dislike how he seems afraid to openly express an unpopular/not teenage-audience-conform opinion because he has to stay relatable. To me so many things Dan does simply don't feel genuine - I don't think he is a bad person because of that, it's normal to some degree to do it in a career that is based on fan approval...but yes, it's too much for me and it's not something I'm fascinated by. But obviously there are many people who don't mind the fakeness, so go on stan him.

There is no point arguing with straight people who insist that everybody else must be straight because they refuse to listen to LGBT who have lived different experiences. If Dan made a sex tape with a man it would probably be 'experimentation' or 'platonic bros helping each other out after being single for so many years'. If Dan married a man it would be 'for taxes' or 'for publicity to help his suffering career' because he makes such bad content that people can only like him for being in a pretend relationship with his biffle even though he denied it so many times.

Nice how you simply claim I must be straight and that must be the reason why one could consider that Dan is straight!
So for you there is no difference between making ambiguous comments that can easily be played down (for example as a joke or as not meant literally/sexually/...) and a sex tape or him getting married
If he openly said "I am bi/gay/..." or dated a man I would be totally fine with it and take it exactly for what it is- unfortunately I am not desperate to defend his straightness as you seem to think It's simply that he said things in the past that made clear that he is not sexually attracted to men (I'm not talking about the gay denials (which also don't come across as aggressive to me, please show me what you mean), there are several other live show moments) and none of the things he has said have been that clear that I would think this has changed and he is nowadays sexually attracted to men.
In my opinion Dan will never tell what his sexuality is, because why make everything complicated by openly identifying with a label that people can use to judge him and his actions on? This is also conform to the Gerard Way tweet that said “labels gives others the leverage needed to categorize you or use you as a political tool". He is freer to do and say whatever he wants without ever declaring his sexuality.

[kuensukki]

Thanks anathema and fancybum

I don't think Shane of all people know about 's nature of relationship, but he might just wanna avoid the shitstorm if he so ever said something about deppy and dating in someone else besides each other

I'm more under the impression that most youtubers know the nature of their relationship but are careful to not outright say it. How many hints have we gotten from several youtubers alluding to the fact that both Dan and Phil aren't single. It's funny if I look back at it because Deppy probably always gave a couple vibe to other youtubers. Their relationship, even under the security blanket that is "friendship" never read the same to me as smosh, septiplier, or even jasper. I think to a certain extent there's a huge contest between faking something more and actually feeling it. We see it and I think other youtubers see the fierce love and loyalty Dan has to Phil and vice versa.

At the end of the day they probably told a handful of close friends including bryony, wirrow and PJ and the rest probably knew by watching them interact. I love watching back the "can phil express an opinion" video just because the reaction of all the youtubers specifically Louis are so telling. He has a knowing glint in his eyes. Another video is the one where Dan accidently says Phil when he's not there on stage and all the youtubers giggle.

Something I always wonder is how many of Deppys colleagues are aware of v day video? I'd like to think a majority but unlike luke, Emma, and Evan they won't dare bring it up. I wonder if the plays a factor in how their viewed by their colleague since it's a big part of why their fans think something more is goin on.......

(Posted a lot today yay)

[clarinetupmyass]

SHANE ALERT

https://soundcloud.com/shaneandfriends/ ... ea-russett
@ 44:10 ish

Context: He and his co-host are trying to figure out YouTube dudes for their guest, Andrea, to date. D&P get brought up, and well I think the awkward hesitation says a lot, even if Shane insists it wasn't "shade".

WOAH his reaction says a lot. I'm not even a demon phannie but



Also, is dan alright? He look like he's in pain in some of these meet up pictures, his smile is airport level forced

[kuensukki]

Struggles of being a Phil fan: seeing 5 pages defending Dan and his sexuality and new trolls that only target Dan to get a reaction

Please god give me a troll screaming PHIL IS STRAIGHT?!11 shouldn't we be gettin that more since th boy doesn't share his sexuality while dan is thirsting after guys left and right. Leave dan alone, his sexuality is his alone and he should be responsible to clarify it which he's done recently some people just can't stomach that, cool. If you want to insult someone to get a reaction that's not a productive thing to do because it'll just lead to arguments so just agree to disagree and move on

(returns to being unproblematic phan trash )

[sassyinamorata]

WOAH his reaction says a lot. I'm not even a demon phannie but



Also, is dan alright? He look like he's in pain in some of these meet up pictures, his smile is airport level forced

i've noticed that too, i hope hes okay. they're probably just extremely tired from all the touring and perhaps dan didnt get enough sleep the night before

[Cora]

Fun fact:
There are varying types of hyper mobility syndromes (such as Marfans and the more rare Ehlers-Danlos, along with more common simple types) that cause weakened connective tissue in the joints.
Syndromes such as this are what the majority of contortionists have. Some are bendy like rubber, and some can just stretch easily. Obviously these syndromes often present varying symptoms beyond being flexible (such as being prone to bone fractures, pregnancy issues, a taller frame, lengthened extremities, etc) as well.

That being said, considering the fact that Dan can bend his fingers around easily and can twist his wrists 360degrees, there's a pretty logical assumption that his ability to twist his legs like a pretzel and fold himself in half towards a somersault has less to do with the possibility that he's a level 9000 yoga guru, and it's more likely he has some at least low grade natural hyper mobility.

source: I'm also hypermobile af.

[Ticia]

Struggles of being a Phil fan: seeing 5 pages defending Dan and his sexuality and new trolls that only target Dan to get a reaction

Please god give me a troll screaming PHIL IS STRAIGHT?!11 shouldn't we be gettin that more since th boy doesn't share his sexuality while dan is thirsting after guys left and right. Leave dan alone, his sexuality is his alone and he should be responsible to clarify it which he's done recently some people just can't stomach that, cool. If you want to insult someone to get a reaction that's not a productive thing to do because it'll just lead to arguments so just agree to disagree and move on

(returns to being unproblematic phan trash )

Psh, please, Phil IS straight. We're married, he doesn't know yet.



Ignore that weirdo pretending to be me.

[trashqueen]

SHANE ALERT

https://soundcloud.com/shaneandfriends/ ... ea-russett
@ 44:10 ish

Context: He and his co-host are trying to figure out YouTube dudes for their guest, Andrea, to date. D&P get brought up, and well I think the awkward hesitation says a lot, even if Shane insists it wasn't "shade".

this is hilarious and very telling imo (maybe not of the truth but of the way they are perceived) thank you for sharing

also in shane's last conspiracy theory video he talked about larry, i would pay him to talk about phan

actually i find it very surprising that no one has spilled the beans about them already, i'm bored, can evan emma and co do something productive and go back to bitching about them? (when was the last time that happened? when evan got drunk and said everyone has watched the v day video? what was that? late 2014?)

[flarequake]

On Dan's butt, jokes aside I do wonder what he was thinking flashing not just the top of his pants so often for years but sometimes half or more of his butt too. There's just one or two times when he realised, said something and pulled his trousers up, but that SAP video leaves little to the imagination.

Hi!


(gifs source: okdaniel)

Oquaaaaa what a beautiful return
Dan really is quite flexible for someone so huge

It looks like he's actually trying to stretch his thigh muscles and lower back...

Seems an elaborate way of doing it, though there are some muscles that are tough to reach in an easier way and maybe he likes to mix it up (or really was just watching the Olympics upside down to feel closer to home). When I do the first pose, I do an awkward shuffle backwards and to the side to get up (lower back can get upset easily if I'm not careful), but for general stretching when everything's calm, then maybe. It makes sense that they'd both do something to counteract all the standing, whether or not that's what he's doing there.

Fun fact:
There are varying types of hyper mobility syndromes (such as Marfans and the more rare Ehlers-Danlos, along with more common simple types) that cause weakened connective tissue in the joints.
Syndromes such as this are what the majority of contortionists have. Some are bendy like rubber, and some can just stretch easily. Obviously these syndromes often present varying symptoms beyond being flexible (such as being prone to bone fractures, pregnancy issues, a taller frame, lengthened extremities, etc) as well.

That being said, considering the fact that Dan can bend his fingers around easily and can twist his wrists 360degrees, there's a pretty logical assumption that his ability to twist his legs like a pretzel and fold himself in half towards a somersault has less to do with the possibility that he's a level 9000 yoga guru, and it's more likely he has some at least low grade natural hyper mobility.

source: I'm also hypermobile af.

Ohh, I'd forgotten about that party trick he did with his wrist that time. Yes, his bendiness in the backwards roll makes more sense now. Good point.

Re: Dan's butt (or lack thereof):

It's geometry. Dan upper butt cheeks / lower back don't have the curvature necessary to support his pants of choice - it's just that simple. Low cut skinny jeans need something to hold them up, and Dan just doesn't have it where he needs it. Interestingly, his hips/thighs have plenty of heft - maybe they have too much purchase, which acts to actually pull his pants down. Poor boy. First world problem. Fun to watch

Now that fits with what he used to say about his lack of belt-wearing skills actually being due to the shape of his butt. I hadn't considered that the jeans are low-cut too, but that would explain why even now he sometimes still flashes a few inches of pants.

Good science, people

Coming to the end of ten shows and M&Gs plus flights in two weeks with pneumonia hanging on, it's not surprising he's not looking so happy in those photos. Phil, on the other hand, looks fine, but they're both great at smiling through. Whether they take some more time out there or come home soon, it'd be good if they've planned more than a week off this time especially if they'll be going into such a schedule again soon eg Europe tour. They probably have too much needing to be done, but if they don't pace themselves well enough... well, let's hope he keeps getting better even if slowly.