Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.

[Ticia]

I was so busy being absolutely useless like I can't even explain what I was doing distracted I never noticed there is a liveshow, sweeeeeeet *drops all responsibilities and needs of sleep to find the vid*

Also I must be so behind in music because I have no clue who tf Frank Ocean is gotta do my research now :geek:

Cough cough Dan's Tumblr cough cough

[coffeepenguin]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

[Lurktacularr]

Remember when they used to pretend they didn't eat every meal together

[SquishPhan]

Remember when they used to pretend they didn't eat every meal together

Yeah I do not miss those times.

[phamnotof]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

[Artdefines06]

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

[anathema]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

Does anyone have the timestamps for where he made the comments? Or was it multiple instances?

[Reizam]

Although I like this Dan, I find this ls odd. He was not over the top but he didn't feel normal (?!) He was if holding back on saying a lot of things. He was trying to talk about other things but the chat was not helping him. He kept on saying he doesn't want to offend anyone with his opinions. Dan, you are Dan. You are bound to offend someone coz your opinionated.

Snapchat: Wow. He must be tired of hearing the snapchat thing coz his comment just got too real. Dan, just post videos/photos of Phil in snapchat.
Airport meet-ups: WTH, Dan. Where's your opinion? I am disapointed. Why can't you just say that those kind of stuff is inconvenient for the airport staff.
Nail polish. Yes! Thank you. You never promised everything so everyone stop the nailpolish talks. He just liked it and it doesn't mean anything. Ugh.

And what's with the realness talk? Don't ask us why we like watching you and also like watching other type of youtubers. I live my non-existent relationship through you. Dan was weird. Seriously.

I missed the Onion shade. Ugh.

Did he just shade Phil de Franco or was he just talking about the dramatic reaction of people regarding the youtube issue in general? Coz even if it's not a shade for anyone in particular, his comment was true as well. Some people got too dramatic.
But if he was shading PhilDF, I guess he'll be in the next video. More clickbait. Millions of views!

He was either in the same room when Phil had his ls or he was watching the liveshow? So was he the Daniel from the chat?

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

seeing all the snaps of pentatonix when they when to cleland park made me realize that I want them to be an active snapchat user. Ptx wins the cleland adventure.

You got it with the first bolded comment, I really wished he didn't hold back and just went in with his full opinions. As he said in his own roast yourself vid, he'd offend people making toast so why not just go for it.

The second bolded part.... The realness talk WAS the onion shade. He couldn't understand why some would watch him yet also watch certain other brown haired boys like onion.

Also I totally missed the commitment thing.... Guess I better rewatch and see.

[SquishPhan]

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

Eh I didn't really care for him in this live show either. Imo he was in a weird mood.
Also I actually wanted him to gave us some more opnions on things, but that didn't happen.

[Diyes_Celine]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

I thought I was just wearing but he brought it up a lot of times, its concerning. And I don't think the chat trigger anything about commitment. It didn't help that he had a serious face during the ls.

I guess he was really pissed so Phil ordered a lot of food as a peace offering.

[Reizam]

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

Same here, I love the live shows where he speaks his mind because it's like having a conversation with a friend. I much prefer this than sugar-coated, opinion-free BS that doesn't spark any real talk.

That said, I wish he went even deeper with his opinions because he kept saying he was holding back. C'mon Dan, let it all out!

[coffeepenguin]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

I thought I was just wearing but he brought it up a lot of times, its concerning. And I don't think the chat didn't trigger anything about commitment. It didn't help that he had a serious face during the ls.

I guess he was really pissed so Phil ordered a lot of food as a peace offering.

the only non thing that I can think about is the EU tour, he did talk a bit about it being complicated to arrange with the venues and stuff (and it's not like they've just started, I think). But still seems very weird

maybe the peace offering wasn't the food but the very public tweet about it?

[starlight-still]

Re: Dan's LS

Most everything is covered, just some tiny reactions:

- I knew something was different about him today right from the beginning when he was sincerely accepting compliments (about his hair, him in general, etc.). But not different as in defensive or angry; if anything he seemed more sure of where he stands and comfortable with his level of filtering (like the shade got through but the airport talk didn't). Regarding opinions...full on opinionated Daniel might just have to be a 2017 Daniel, once all of this tour, documentary, and second book stuff wraps. These days, you say one thing that's taken the wrong way and there's a hashtag party dancing on your career's grave. He might not mind in general but his, Phil's, and part of Phil's family's livelihood hangs in the balance among countless other folks working with them behind the scenes. So better safe than sorry. I think we will get this opinionated Daniel in due course though.
- The white-washing talk was unexpected. I liked that he wasn't afraid to get critical and the 'Avengers' line actually made me laugh out loud. I'll definitely go out of my way to find diverse participants on the campaign now.
- What did he call himself when he was talking about how hard it is for him to relax..."little neurotic Dan" or something along those lines? I was like, someone please give this sweet child a hug...
- ...and then he was like "dirty bitches" and I was like, yo, cancel the hug j/k...well, sorta.
- On commitment...I didn't read it so much as being about personal relationships as it is about life path/future direction, especially for his career. We don't know what's in the works for them behind the scenes but they do seem to be at something of a crossroads. Maybe the EU TATINOF struggles were something of a wake up call? On that note...

Does anyone have thoughts on his comment about EU venues being difficult for them to book? I wonder if they're going for the same size venues that they did for the US and Aus (which I think both were generally bigger than the UK), or smaller venues. Anyone from a place where they *might* end up going have a sense for how similar tours have done (if applicable- or are they pioneers in this)?

[fancybum]

35ish:
about DAPGO: "You don’t have to get it , you know. It’s optional."
So fuck off you moaners.

When he said that was he directing it towards people who get pissy when other people say they aren't going to buy it (in a "back off people don't have to buy it" way), or towards the people who don't want to buy it (in a "you don't need to buy it so stop complaining" way)? Because if it's the second I would like to have some words with Mr. Dannyfire

Sorry I missed this. He didn't say it aggressively or anything, just casually like, 'don't worry if you don't want/can't buy it, you don't need to' (I was directing it at the complainers), I think he was just being lowkey like, 'hey this isn't tabinof, it's whatever, nbd'- which matches up with their very non-aggressive pushing of the book so far. Just my interpretation though.

I find it funny that people found his mood off-putting or whatever, he seemed pretty chill to me. Have I been desensitized from watching Chris liveshows with his considerably higher levels of idgaf-ness and being 'rude' to the viewers? Dan was perfectly fine I thought. And he's mentioned commitment-phobia in plenty of other liveshows and in plenty of contexts. Meh.

[coffeepenguin]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

Does anyone have the timestamps for where he made the comments? Or was it multiple instances?

I'm rewatching it right now, but basically it's in the beginning, somewhere in the first five minutes, and then once again in the last couple minutes

[Philena]

I have a lot of catching up to do from the holiday weekend. I still haven't finished Phil's ls, but just watched Dan's while making dinner.

I loved Dan tonight. I wish he would have kept going with some of his trains of thought, but I really enjoyed the realness.

I think the lack of ls is why it has been so slow here. We need those opinions to analyze.

[Catallena]

I'm getting a headache from reading the notes alone and if I wasn't already in a bad mood I'm sure that would be setting in by now as well. I'm in awe of the people who can watch an hour of this and actually like it fuck me.

dan you absolute dumbfuck, now onion is just gonna try harder because you mentioned him you should know better you've been on youtube for how many years again? also someone plz remind him that onion and phil collabed once in the past so there being an overlap in fans isn't that crazy.

Uh, he didn't mention him by name. And they've also collabed with nerimon, but most people have moved on from stanning gross people in the past. It's a fair question why some people choose to support somebody disgusting in the present while also supporting what appear to be genuinely kind people. There's a disconnect there worth questioning.

Doesn't matter, he's still gonna know because people are gonna tell him. And he will feel validated. Both Dan and the phandom should just leave him, and I'm disappointed in Dan for not doing what does best: ignoring the situation. We would all actually benefit from it for once.

And that still means that people who actively subscribed to Alex (who was literally always an asshole) also liked certified nice people D&P back in 2012. Doesn't matter that they don't like Alex anymore, there was an overlap of people who liked both. Same goes for Phil and Onion. Because people are complicated beings who don't look for just one type of content. Dan questioning why people like both would absolutely make sense if most of Onion's fans even knew about the shit he did in the past, but they don't. But they just think he's a guy playing an asshole on camera. Hell, the language he uses when expressing his 'obsession' with Dan isn't even that more shocking than what the average Twitter stan spams their fave with but what makes it more disturbing is knowing that he's a vile person. And many don't so I don't get Dan's point.

I don't think that will reach onion - without knowing the chat was spamming 'ONION ONION ONION' its so so generic you wouldn't know who he's talking about. Hell, most of the people in the chat didn't know what he was on about. Even if someone sent it to onion directly like 'look he mentioned you' he couldn't be sure and he'd certainly have a hard time making any content/posts out of it.

If he reads his @ replies or looks for indirects (he's petty enough for it) he will notice. And maybe he won't know for sure, but he doesn't need to. He's made material out of less and he will get attention for it, which is all he wants.

Did he just shade Phil de Franco or was he just talking about the dramatic reaction of people regarding the youtube issue in general? Coz even if it's not a shade for anyone in particular, his comment was true as well. Some people got too dramatic.
But if he was shading PhilDF, I guess he'll be in the next video. More clickbait. Millions of views!

Lol I'm imagining it :') But nah DeFranco doesn't care about Deppy, he may not even know who they are beyond their names. He only shaded Ian in yesterday's video because Ian was being annoying and a dick (you'd never expect it from smosh ay?) so he slammed back. Talk shit get hit and stuff.

[coffeepenguin]

ok, just a couple of things that I haven't seen yet in other people's posts

re: nails, I know everyone is tired of this topic, but I just wanted to commend him for doing it for himself and trying new things (sorry). On a somewhat related note, when I was rewatching the SAP recently, there was an episode in the last season where they talked about men leggings and were both, like, kill me if I ever wear something like that. What can I say, kudos to 2016!Dan for wearing his trainer outfit, character growth and all that (also, found it funny when he caught himself using a northern inflection while talking about nails, I'm not a native speaker, obviously, but I always try to pay attention to Dan's accent and the instances when he sounds northern, find it kinda endearing, idk )

other observations:
- he had nothing to say about sharing a room with somebody, can't even imagine the awkward things that would happen if he did share it with somebody (REALLY?)
- re: favourite song, "I don't have a happy memory to associate a song with" (WHAT)
- Louise thing: not very supportive, tbh. I mean, he is, but obviously doesn't identify with it, which must mean he's totally happy with the content he's making? would be very interested to know someone else's opinion on it
- onion shade: on the second rewatch, it was really obvious, thank you to all of you who've pointed that out

[Lurktacularr]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

Does anyone have the timestamps for where he made the comments? Or was it multiple instances?

I'm rewatching it right now, but basically it's in the beginning, somewhere in the first five minutes, and then once again in the last couple minutes

Just to echo fancybum this has been a shtick of Dan's for ages. Lack of commitment, 'I don't make promises because if I don't keep to them the phandom chase me with fiery sticks', blah blah blah. All pretty standard for him.

I certainly wouldn't be reading anything about his relationship with Phil into those comments cos they are some of the most fiercely private people on YT and like hell is he gonna air any dirty laundry on YouNow, covert or otherwise.

Not to mention, I'd say lack of commitment is like the opposite of an issue they're likely to have as a couple. They've lived together for like 5 years, share their careers (both saying 'we're' making AP and dinof vids) and basically share their lives in every aspect we can see. Even from the outside, regardless of what you consider the nature of their relationship to be, you can see they're committed to each other.

But I mean, if we wanna start #phandivorcedparty just to fuck with the phandom, I'm a down ass bitch and I'll pour fuel on any fire you want me to

[Philena]

I agree with everything you said, Lurktacularr

[coffeepenguin]

Just to echo fancybum this has been a shtick of Dan's for ages. Lack of commitment, 'I don't make promises because if I don't keep to them the phandom chase me with fiery sticks', blah blah blah. All pretty standard for him.

I certainly wouldn't be reading anything about his relationship with Phil into those comments cos they are some of the most fiercely private people on YT and like hell is he gonna air any dirty laundry on YouNow, covert or otherwise.

it was just a vibe I got in general and from the use of the word "commitment" and not just "promises" or whatever, but that's why I'm interested in Deppy and why I stan this forum, tbh, I'm shit with guessing other people's relationship and I always need somebody to spell it out for me

[melon lord]

Everytime deppy mention Avatar I squeal a lot a little on the inside.

But shame on you guys for finding it childish. Avatar has a lot of complex and adult themes but through the lens of a child.

He seemed kind of salty with the fandom in general? I'm wondering if he got spammed/saw the onion stuff/trolls made really gross edits and it's upset him. I mean I don't have a Phil in my life but damn I'd still be salty af if it happened to me, especially from that turd of a human being.

I think he's supportive of Louise but it's obviously not his place to say anything about it. I don't know if Phil ever would, either. He's kind of like a children's show host now, and I guess he genuinely enjoys having that small fluffy corner of the internet.

Also yeah the commitment stuff seemed like more beyond just promises and career? Maybe that's just me, though. Also I did my research on Frank Ocean and I see why he admires him

On that note it's late here so I'm off to bed and I'll catch up later

[missemma]

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

Same here, I love the live shows where he speaks his mind because it's like having a conversation with a friend. I much prefer this than sugar-coated, opinion-free BS that doesn't spark any real talk.

That said, I wish he went even deeper with his opinions because he kept saying he was holding back. C'mon Dan, let it all out!

Just going to agree with both of you. I read a lot of people saying that they found him to be depressed and completely different to Phils liveshow and I'm just sitting here like FUCK YEAH DAN. I haven't watched Phils liveshow yet because I never particularly take much from them but I loved Dans tonight. I love his opinions and I love the shade. I just wish at the end when he said he had so many opinions but he didn't want to offended anyone that he would just go for it. It's a shame he has to restrict himself because I'd pay to watch him go on a rant. I find this side of Dan so much more interesting and when he's being like he was tonight I find myself taking more notice. When he mentioned about the airport and not yet having an opinion because he didn't want to offend people, I was willing him on to be honest and open about it. If they feel uncomfortable having people turn up I wish he would just say so. Yeah a few people might be upset but it'll stop people stalking them, plus there is a nice way to go about it, so maybe wouldn't upset that many. It's a shame to hear eurotatinof isn't yet sorted, I wonder if it'll be after the documentary at this rate.

Also, at the end of the liveshow am I the only one chuckling when he says see you next Tuesday as my mind automatically goes to the word cunt. He knows that C U Next Tuesday means that and i wouldn't put it past the little shit to be saying that for the lolz. Dan I'm onto you

Also i heard him say Missemma, that was our Missemma wasn't it?

Yes that was me. I'll admit that I was out pokemoning when the liveshow was on so have just caught up with with it now, couldn't resist sending in a question though. Glad tumblr has it so it can be rewatched after.

[anathema]

The most thing, what's with all the commitment side comments? Who has commitment issue?

ikr? I found it so weird that I've totally missed the onion shade in the end, I thought he was having some kind of a freakout about their relationship and the fandom or smth

it seemed to me they might have recorded the new dil & wedding stuff brought up some - well, wedding stuff. but yeah, all of the commitment comments were indeed puzzling.

Does anyone have the timestamps for where he made the comments? Or was it multiple instances?

I'm rewatching it right now, but basically it's in the beginning, somewhere in the first five minutes, and then once again in the last couple minutes

Just to echo fancybum this has been a shtick of Dan's for ages. Lack of commitment, 'I don't make promises because if I don't keep to them the phandom chase me with fiery sticks', blah blah blah. All pretty standard for him.

I certainly wouldn't be reading anything about his relationship with Phil into those comments cos they are some of the most fiercely private people on YT and like hell is he gonna air any dirty laundry on YouNow, covert or otherwise.

Not to mention, I'd say lack of commitment is like the opposite of an issue they're likely to have as a couple. They've lived together for like 5 years, share their careers (both saying 'we're' making AP and dinof vids) and basically share their lives in every aspect we can see. Even from the outside, regardless of what you consider the nature of their relationship to be, you can see they're committed to each other.

But I mean, if we wanna start #phandivorcedparty just to fuck with the phandom, I'm a down ass bitch and I'll pour fuel on any fire you want me to

[uglyamerican]

I saw this yesterday on twitter and Phil has reblog it

Yes, +1 - this is pretty great! Dan looks a bit like an evil knight in that Ironman armor.