Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.

[taetaewl]

Onision warning:
Looks like it has already started: https://twitter.com/hashtag/danision?f= ... t&src=hash
I must say tho, I was expecting a more "dramatic" reaction from Dan about this matter BUT I'm kinda satisfied with him offhandedly throwing shade in todays ls. And would love to hear Phil say something about this or at least show it in his "phil way", but I guess the chance of him doing it is less than zero (I'm staying for the drama)

About the ls:
Don't mind this Dan at all. Feel like this is what we will be getting in the future, he grew up and become salty but tasty at the same time I guess lol (Some time through out the video I felt a vibe of "did the fame get to his head? or is this just the real Dan finally coming through?". He was throwing shade everywhere, at some point it started to get somewhat icy)

[Lurktacularr]

Onision warning:
Looks like it has already started: https://twitter.com/hashtag/danision?f= ... t&src=hash
I must say tho, I was expecting a more "dramatic" reaction from Dan about this matter BUT I'm kinda satisfied with him offhandedly throwing shade in todays ls. And would love to hear Phil say something about this or at least show it in his "phil way", but I guess the chance of him doing it is less than zero (I'm staying for the drama)

About the ls:
Don't mind this Dan at all. Feel like this is what we will be getting in the future, he grew up and become salty but tasty at the same time I guess lol (Some time through out the video I felt a vibe of "did the fame get to his head? or is this just the real Dan finally coming through?". He was throwing shade everywhere, at some point it started to get somewhat icy)

WARNING if Onion seriously bothers you on an emotional level, don't follow that link. I just have a general distain for what a garbage example of a human he is, and even I felt a bit queazy looking at some of that.

Even in fan art he manages to look predatory

[RRR98]

Onision warning:
Looks like it has already started: https://twitter.com/hashtag/danision?f= ... t&src=hash
I must say tho, I was expecting a more "dramatic" reaction from Dan about this matter BUT I'm kinda satisfied with him offhandedly throwing shade in todays ls. And would love to hear Phil say something about this or at least show it in his "phil way", but I guess the chance of him doing it is less than zero (I'm staying for the drama)

About the ls:
Don't mind this Dan at all. Feel like this is what we will be getting in the future, he grew up and become salty but tasty at the same time I guess lol (Some time through out the video I felt a vibe of "did the fame get to his head? or is this just the real Dan finally coming through?". He was throwing shade everywhere, at some point it started to get somewhat icy)

Checked out the link and the only thing I'm happy about is is that there's not many drawings. Some of them are just terrible

[Diyes_Celine]

Onision warning:
Looks like it has already started: https://twitter.com/hashtag/danision?f= ... t&src=hash
I must say tho, I was expecting a more "dramatic" reaction from Dan about this matter BUT I'm kinda satisfied with him offhandedly throwing shade in todays ls. And would love to hear Phil say something about this or at least show it in his "phil way", but I guess the chance of him doing it is less than zero (I'm staying for the drama)

About the ls:
Don't mind this Dan at all. Feel like this is what we will be getting in the future, he grew up and become salty but tasty at the same time I guess lol (Some time through out the video I felt a vibe of "did the fame get to his head? or is this just the real Dan finally coming through?". He was throwing shade everywhere, at some point it started to get somewhat icy)

Checked out the link and the only thing I'm happy about is is that there's not many drawings. Some of them are just terrible

I will not check that link because I want to sleep peacefully. I wish Dan never said anything because that scum is really a shit. He should have just really called out his audience instead of simply throwing shade when he decided to react. I really sympathize with Dan. How can those people watch Deppy and watch that shit??? Ugh. Ugh.
I know it will create more issue but since this is already happening I wish Phil reacts. Can he just please vocally support Dan here? He really is getting harrassed.
Deppy usually hibernate when this kind of things happens but since they have several commitments they can't do that.
Youtube, where is your demonetization shit when we need it?? I'll can help update your algo.

[phamnotof]

re: enjoyment - we all enjoy different things, which is fine & actually really good, and I'm glad we can talk about it, I just hope we can frame the convo in a way that doesn't read as "the old vs. the young" - because this way above average age fan is in no way ashamed to like things that make her feel warm. not that opinionated dan doesn't often, just got weird vibes from him today, but that's besides the point.

re: onision. (look away if that bothers you)
we've mostly agreed that what onision's doing to dan is sexual harrasment. he's using a position of power to rally people to help him along with it, in fact. and i just don't see how we get to have opinions on how dan handles that since he's the one being harrased. what ultimately matters in these situations is how you make peace with them, making it about onision & his feelings just rings as wrong to me. so yeah, sure, dan's coping might bring onision some attention & satisfaction - but look, he'd have found a way to get that, anyway, scum of earth that he is. if dan feels empowered putting a statement out there, however vague, and feels good about having adressed it so that the people who're looking know where he stands on the issue - that's very, very fine with me.

[swofro]

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

Just wanna say same

[kay]

Catching up so I don't even know if we're still talking about this but

Ooh that show is getting a rewatch as soon as it's up on YT, 'twas good. Hasty timestamps under the cut:

48:15 "how can you like me and Phil? I wonder how the personalities are compatible."
(is he thinking about people liking Onision? lol he totally is. Asking how people can like him & Phil as well as garbage humans is what he means)

This was so amazing, the right amount of shade that flew under the radar if you weren't paying attention or didn't know what was going on. Perfect because it didn't give that troll any more relevance.

His face was priceless though

[bluewho]

33 minutes into the liveshow:

It's funny, gender roles and style. Cause my whole thing is, I feel like, society - you don't need to pay attention to it. You know...rules and stereotypes, rolls and rules, they're all meaningless. And yet, would I feel comfortable going outside in a pink miniskirt? Don't think I would right now, but why? I just said that there's no reason for that. Interesting philosophical questions. It's all society's fault isn't it.

later guys i'm in love

[apathy]

Everytime deppy mention Avatar I squeal a lot a little on the inside.

Same, I love Avatar, makes me want to rewatch it. I'm glad they're enjoying it, hoping for future Dan waffles about the character development.

When he mentioned about the airport and not yet having an opinion because he didn't want to offend people, I was willing him on to be honest and open about it. If they feel uncomfortable having people turn up I wish he would just say so. Yeah a few people might be upset but it'll stop people stalking them, plus there is a nice way to go about it, so maybe wouldn't upset that many.

It didn't completely stop people from hanging around venues on tour stops, did it cause drama that they said that? Is that why he's worried? But if he's going to draw attention to it happening, he should really say not to do it, because otherwise it just spreads the idea to more people who might think it's ok.

[eevee]

Here are my liveshow notes after I watched it on tumblr just now, thank God he put it on tumblr and made my life very easy:

Dan saying “uh-oh” was just adorable

I like to imagine Phil getting Dan lots of things while Dan was waiting for his nails to dry since he couldn’t touch anything for a while

The fact that those who go on tour often get vitamin injections to stay healthy is really interesting to me and I loved getting that little bit of insight

I agree with Dan that Pokemon Go is basically random at this point, you just have to get lucky that you’re gonna be around a pokemon you don’t already have since the trackers are blocked/broken.

Am I missing something with the likitung thing?

Not having an idea for a next video is “agonizing” leads me to wonder where most of his ideas come from then? (jk I’m sure he’s a great independent creative)

Dan really stressed the importance of the Great British Baking Show haha, like seriously he went a little overboard but I’ll take it, that show is lovely

Why do I feel like Dan was about to say “People should just start worshipping Phil” after the panda thing but he turned it into chilling about kanye? Which has no connection to saving pandas??

Why don’t we deserve the nail pics, did we react to the nails too much?

Dan is “not complaining” about Tom Hiddleston nudity.

He has one group chat in his life who dat????????

I feel like Dan saying he’s never okay mentally is him sticking to brand because damn he seems really happy???? Like??? I realize people can be depressed and seem fine but I just don’t see that in Dan???

Dan’s talking about Louise and then just leans back a bit, bites his lip and goes “mmm” and I became wet

He liked the gay and sinning group chat name maybe because it defines him?

His reaction to homoshrekuals was great and adorable

I live to be called a dirty bitch by Dan Howell, I feel very blessed

[swofro]

So, Dan liveshow. That is one of my favs so far because it didn't lulled me to sleep like Dan's ls always makes me 30 mins in. So to that.

About Dan

Love the wavy hair. Wavy hair is my favourite kind of hair on everyone and that is a bonus.

Glad that he has fully recovered from his sickness. Healthy Dan is my fav Dan.

Love the atmosphere today as well. Dan is generally sassy towards the phandom but receives compliments nicely is but there is a minimal mention of Phil today, he definitely is censoring himself a bit today and being super aware (is that the word?)

Liveshow highlights about things that I care about lol
"I don't like committing to anything. In life. Generally." Just to play the devil advocate here, looks like we start the lifeshow with a #phandivorce But 'generally' also implies he usually can't commit to anything i.e regular uploads on dinof but there are exceptions i.e philip

Plane hit turbulence just when Dan tripped over on his own feet. I love this kind of story from them because it reminds me how awkward they really are and I really relate to that. Also Dan has superpowers #confirmed. Dan is the real iron man. My stony shipper heart rises.

Tatinof Australian crew are chill.

Jacktiplier. Dan, no, it's called septiplier

Congrats for the mention, spider!!!
I guess you are going to appreciate me mentioning that Dan got it wrong, spiders aren't insects but arachnids.

Two things i wish Dan's gonna stop to be asked about: snapchat and nail polish

Chat: Just snapchat food
Dan: here's a cornflakes, here's Phil eating cornflakes
umm.. nobody tell you to snapchat Phil, Danny.

The nail situation. I feel the same about doing nail things feel therapeutic but so annoying that you can't touch anything for quite a while. I feel a bit sympathy towards Dan when he said he was distress when he can't find something to take off the nail polish thing. also he failed to mentioned that the person who gave him the nail polish stalks him at the airport but I guess she redeem herself by providing the #whydaniscarryingphil video (is that how it works? idk. ignore this small size letters)

A person in the chat ask him who is his fav avatar character, and then Dan talks a bit about how avatar is so good and then move on without mentioning who is his fav so far. I hate him so much. book two is Earth, is it? my fav is Bumi

Koala experience.

I love the #youtubeisoverparty opinion by Dan. Thumbs up to ICG mentioned and all the calm manner in which he address the issue. yeah, that.

charlieissocoollike mentioned.

I love when we have so much thing to expect besides just waiting to rot for a new deppy vid in the horizon

Dil video coming. So excited! The wedding of the century.

YoutubeRed photoshoot.

StandUp2Cancer. agree with the whitewashed. Phil really look like a voldemort. (pinof1: I would bang voldemort. )

I hope Dan will upload the emu selfie soon because I need hq of that picture for art purpose.

Tom Hiddlestone. Dan mentioned his name about 3 times before he can make a coherent explanation about his tv series. Is Hiddies his new crush? or had he mentioned it a while ago and I just forgot because Im obviously the most phakest phan of all

How could you like Dan and Phil when you like this other annoying youtuber with opposite pole personality? good question. I mean, the selling of youtube personalities is literally their personality so I wonder too.

"why care about the truth when something more dramatic (is there)" yes, Dan, the shade towards humanity / society in general. Love this.

Dan get a powerbank. Ayy. I heard it is called something else in western world (the way we call things monopod and you guys called it selfie stick), power block or something.

groupchat name. Well, has Dan heard of Satanic Furries yet?

congrats Missemma for the highest CP Pokemon question.

Love the liveshow, still wonder what's the plan with the radio but probably not anytime soon considering EU Tatinof is probably coming. Just yeah, that was pleasant, I love Dan and Phil so much, I don't know this kind of love towards someone I don't know is possible. I can say now that Dan and Phil is at par with Nicky, Kian, Markus and Shane (of Westlife) in terms of celebrity I love the most. Lol.

[anathema]

33 minutes into the liveshow:

It's funny, gender roles and style. Cause my whole thing is, I feel like, society - you don't need to pay attention to it. You know...rules and stereotypes, rolls and rules, they're all meaningless. And yet, would I feel comfortable going outside in a pink miniskirt? Don't think I would right now, but why? I just said that there's no reason for that. Interesting philosophical questions. It's all society's fault isn't it.

later guys i'm in love

(thank you Dan for acting like a normal human being with opinions)

[eevee]

oh, and how could I forget, congratulations missemma and I am in a puddle over Dan's hair, I am so grateful, I am so #blessed, I love the hair decision going on today.

There was a lot more to talk about in this live show I couldn't possibly cover it all by myself, and I agree that he was in kinda a weird mood and it felt a little weird to me, it almost felt like he was maybe pissed off about something unrelated to the liveshow? Are him and Phil having a domestic?

Also the lowkey shipper shade is hitting me hard, dan why u do dis

[swofro]

Things I forgot I wanna say but too lazy to edit that massive post on 6 and a half inch mobile phone:

I think Dan really support Louise in a way when he said she should do things that makes her happy but also honest when he said they shouldn't put themselves in a corner where they can only cater to a certain audience by making only certain types of video. Which is a bit hypocritical considering he makes that Study Tips video the other day. But I think what he mean is, he as DINOF can make whatever video he wants without addressing that he want to do a rebranding meanwhile Louise can't. But I don't watch Louise's content at all so I can't judge. Sorry this post is a mess.

Tldr; Dan support Louise. I applaud.

[trashqueen]

watched the ls while getting ready for class so i didn't really have time to comment on time but basically:

So many people on tumblr complaining because Dan's ls today was controversial and fast paced and full of opinions lol. I'm seeing a lot of "why was he in such a bad mood" and "I dont feel all cuddly and warm like I usually do".

And I'm over here like - "That was someone I wouldn't mind being friends with, fellow grown ups are great". Fascinating. To each their own I guess.

that, i loved it, 'weird mood' dan is my favorite dan

since i'm already late af i'm gonna rewatch it giving it my full attention and give u some timestamps (look at me posting something productive wow)

warning this is way too long

0:00 (lol) his hair, yes, i'm living my dreams
3:00 commitment mention number one, i didn't notice the first time but since you guys said he talked about it a lot i'm gonna keep track, don't think it means anything re: phan, he has talked about it before
4:34 his face after he said 'twat' lmao, i call it 'ooops maybe shouldn't have said that'
5:20 casually accepting compliments, nice
5:38 lmao shading the phandom for ruining the comments w phan stuff, felt weird to see him so openly acknowledging the shipping, but good weird imo
7:00 he looks so good this liveshow i feel personally attacked
8:14 *whispers* spiders aren't insects
9:00 MY FAVORITE PART 'why doesn't dan have snapchat? bc dan hardly shares any of his life as it is' idk why i liked it so much we obviously knew that but the way he said it made me laugh and i appreciate the honesty
10:00 evan peters mention, hello sir it's been a while
12:10 nailpolish talk, saw that some of u guys interpreted this as a negative opinion but tbh for me it was neutral af but most importantly WHO CLEANS STUFF WITH NAILPOLISH WHIPES OH MY GOD DANIEL i have a permanent stain on my desk from the time i accidentally left one there after using it
14:40 'mexico is waiting for you' 'good to know' and later on he read comments from argentina and chile, i don't think latin america has ever received this much attention in one single live show, go us (if i didn't think it was completely impossible i would say 'latam tatinof? ' but yeah no, maybe in a parallel universe)
15:35 he mentions filming the ytr docu while on tour in america, some time ago people were saying that maybe the docu wouldn't show much of the actual tour and that's why the book was a thing bc of something dan said in a ls, so here's confirmation that we're getting at least some lowkey ditl of deppy on tour
16:00 i find it weird when youtubers books get translated, i've seen felix and zoellas books in spanish around my country and idk, it just seems weird when the only people that would be interested in youtubers books are their audience and all the other content they make is in english, i know subtitles are a thing, but do youtubers really have fans that don't speak english and would rather get their books translated? the answer is probably yes bc they wouldn't do it otherwise but i am intrigued as to how that happens. also 'they could use our dorky book in russia tbh' mmmh interesting
19:25 i hope they watch korra when they are done w the original series (mainly bc i want his opinions on korra and asami and how cool is to have a canon lgbt couple on a kids show, also he talks about m/m ships a lot, give the gay ladies some love dan)
20:05 koala talk, love it
22:55 mmmh you don't remember when you came back... really dan? lol
23:30 'we were sick' *insert joke about them turning into one being*
26:20 FRANK OCEAN TALK YAAAS, firstly dan go stan him as part of your brand instead of kanye, second i wish he talked more about it, i've had to watch him waffle about kanye for hours, i deserve more frank talk, 'i look up to him in a number of way' okay nice go on tALK MORE (also we like the same songs from blond)
28:30 videos talk, pls make an extra long undertale video and finish it, also dinof video crisis, as usual, hope it ends up being a good one
33:13 gender rols waffle, 'we need to destroy society' yes pls (also that made me lol bc of the group chats names discussion that happens later, fun fact my friend group gc is actually called 'the revolution' bc of shit like that)
35:04 lmao what was that face
35:44 'who's your favorite existentialist?' 'sartre' interesting, that's a dan fact i never expected i'd have
35:50 'i'll get them to change the colors' watch out dan's the new boss of younow lol actually i wouldn't be surprised if they did change it for him
36:01 eu tatinof talk, i have a lot of respect for their control freakness when it comes to organizing the tour, it sounds stressful
36:40 'maybe I just haven't had any happy memories to associate a song with' wtf was that (my mind went straight to that final fantasy song lmao)
37:55 'well that's a lot of white people right there' 'an avengers assemble of privilege' kudos to him for caring about stuff like this (ik we shouldn't 'thank' white people for being decent humans but still, a lot of people dgaf, i can't help being happy that he does)
44:44 i want to know what his group chat is called
46:04 'are you alright mentally' 'when has the answer to that question ever been yes' relatable
46:30 louise rebranding talk, he talked a lot but ended up saying nothing lol
48:12 the onion shade, i have no words, loved it, and loved that it was vague enough that i dont think the trash man himself can claim it was about him without sounding insane if he doesn't have screenshots of the chat
50:55 'can we be friends?' 'no' stop breaking the hearts of 12 years old around the world dan
51:06 lol at his reaction to the mandela effect
51:44 no opinions on the meeting ppl at airports thing, interesting, dk what else to say about that bc any interpretation i make is gonna be biased af
55:35 'oh my god i have opinions ready to go but no i need to keep it down' whyyyyyy
56:10 'our group chat is called gay and sinning' 'i love my audience' lol
56:15 die antwoord and fka twigs opinions, nice

see this why i don't do in depth timestamps ever, idk when to shut up, if anyone actually reads all of that, i love you

[fancybum]

There was a lot more to talk about in this live show I couldn't possibly cover it all by myself, and I agree that he was in kinda a weird mood and it felt a little weird to me, it almost felt like he was maybe pissed off about something unrelated to the liveshow? Are him and Phil having a domestic?

Maybe he's pissed off about a disgusting leech of a youtuber co-opting his likeness and requesting young people to paint or photoshop him sexually for a contest. And then having that person's name spammed in your chat because too much of his audience thinks it's funny or want 'drama' from it. Not everything needs to be about Phil.

[Philena]

There was a lot more to talk about in this live show I couldn't possibly cover it all by myself, and I agree that he was in kinda a weird mood and it felt a little weird to me, it almost felt like he was maybe pissed off about something unrelated to the liveshow? Are him and Phil having a domestic?

Maybe he's pissed off about a disgusting leech of a youtuber co-opting his likeness and requesting young people to paint or photoshop him sexually for a contest. And then having that person's name spammed in your chat because too much of his audience thinks it's funny or want 'drama' from it. Not everything needs to be about Phil.

Eh, seemed to me he was in a idgaf kinda mood. #relatable

[eevee]

Maybe he's pissed off about a disgusting leech of a youtuber co-opting his likeness and requesting young people to paint or photoshop him sexually for a contest. And then having that person's name spammed in your chat because too much of his audience thinks it's funny or want 'drama' from it. Not everything needs to be about Phil.

that's also a possibility but there's no need to shade me for it

[fancybum]

Eh, seemed to me he was in a idgaf kinda mood. #relatable

I feel like he was until he actually started talking about it, then got kind of agitated.

Quoted and timestamped from the phanshows upload on YT:
48:10

I do question some of your tastes. Sometimes I wonder… how could you like me and Phil. Just me by myself, just Phil by himself, Dan and Phil and what they’re about together. The reason that they’re individuals.. and then like other people. What’s the overlap there? Is it just that you like boys with brown hair? Or is it the personality things? Because sometimes I wonder how the personalities are compatible.

I’m not saying why you like us at all. I’m saying why you like lots of other people all at once. “Everyone’s unique.” They are. I’m just questioning the personality overlap. You all think I’m asking why you like us; I don’t care why you like us. I’m saying how can you like us and some other people at the same time when we’re so different.

Bolded part felt like he was getting annoyed the audience weren't getting it, meaning it was important they did but he didn't want to spell it out by dropping the name.

that's also a possibility but there's no need to shade me for it

Ok.

[Winston]

There was a lot more to talk about in this live show I couldn't possibly cover it all by myself, and I agree that he was in kinda a weird mood and it felt a little weird to me, it almost felt like he was maybe pissed off about something unrelated to the liveshow? Are him and Phil having a domestic?

Maybe he's pissed off about a disgusting leech of a youtuber co-opting his likeness and requesting young people to paint or photoshop him sexually for a contest. And then having that person's name spammed in your chat because too much of his audience thinks it's funny or want 'drama' from it. Not everything needs to be about Phil.

Thats the vibe i was getting. It started out all fine and dandy but towards the end when the chat was just onions all over the place he seemed a little irritated? He was looking in the chat for next topic and that was about it for a while that and "hi dan!!!1!, notice me ....bla bla" i dont know if it was irrtation, seemed almost like disappointment? Then the shade happened and the chat didn't even friggin notice. They just kept on keeping on. And he moved on but that mood stayed making him sassy and more Chris-like, i.e. idgaf.

[fancy_nancy]

14:40 'mexico is waiting for you' 'good to know' and later on he read comments from argentina and chile, i don't think latin america has ever received this much attention in one single live show, go us (if i didn't think it was completely impossible i would say 'latam tatinof? ' but yeah no, maybe in a parallel universe)

oh my gooood dont even joke i noticed this and legit got so excited for a minute, as if this would ever happen hahaha ooops im v dramatic every time i remember i'll never see tatinof live

[ravenreyes]

i don't understand how i always manage to miss the liveshows even though i tell myself i'm going to watch the next one live

anyway, i really enjoyed it. i did think he seemed kind of weird or annoyed at first but idk, i think it was just that it was a bit different. either way i really liked it, i think the word i would use to describe it 'interesting' maybe. it did feel more opinionated than usual which i always love and i like how 'sassy' he was as well. (oh god i hate that word but i can't think of another one in english atm)

33 minutes into the liveshow:

It's funny, gender roles and style. Cause my whole thing is, I feel like, society - you don't need to pay attention to it. You know...rules and stereotypes, rolls and rules, they're all meaningless. And yet, would I feel comfortable going outside in a pink miniskirt? Don't think I would right now, but why? I just said that there's no reason for that. Interesting philosophical questions. It's all society's fault isn't it.

later guys i'm in love

probably my favorite part, i always love hearing peoples thoughts on things like this

[Cora]

I can't believe my new job caused me to miss a LS of IDGAF Dan. That's it, I'm quitting.

I demand that you provide me with a video recording asap.

[kay]

Also the lowkey shipper shade is hitting me hard, dan why u do dis

I hate this. I would hate this even if I didn't ship them. Not cool.

[majitzu]

14:40 'mexico is waiting for you' 'good to know' and later on he read comments from argentina and chile, i don't think latin america has ever received this much attention in one single live show, go us (if i didn't think it was completely impossible i would say 'latam tatinof? ' but yeah no, maybe in a parallel universe)

oh my gooood dont even joke i noticed this and legit got so excited for a minute, as if this would ever happen hahaha ooops im v dramatic every time i remember i'll never see tatinof live

Look at the bright side, you have now 100$ you can expend in other things.

I love the ls, not my favourite but Dan sass was over the top and make me laugh a lot.

Edit: Cora the ls is on tumblr and youtube.