Dan & Phil Part 24: I got moist for you, Phil

antigone · Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:36 am

Ughhh they are being so cute recently

but this was basic content Phil lbr

internetakeover · Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:44 am

(oh hi i finally found time to even read on here, let alone post, it's a minor miracle)

Have absolutely loved the most recent videos! Bit late to really talk about Dan's, so just briefly: great story, love that format from him and great to see a video in that format relevant to his current life with so much of Phil in it.

I adored Phil's video so much, I agree that it seems like Dan picked the quizzes for him from a couple of his comments. It's been interesting - and brilliant, from my phan trash pov - to see Phil using more inclusive language for him and Dan recently in his liveshows, where he used to tend towards 'I' statements more often, and that seems to have extended over into AP now too! Admittedly it's been a while since we've had an AP video without Dan at least cameoing in it (I think the last before this was the pre-US tour vid, nearly 5 months ago?), so I guess the mentions just act as a substitute for that!

I loved that Phil openly, easily picked that he wouldn't leave the house without Dan, I think that's a really big statement to not shy away from or make any kind of big deal about. Between that and Dan's own mentionitis in his DINOF video I love that they're so open about what a big part of their lives the other is nowadays, although of course context of the story and quizzes probably makes that less sweet or significant than I'm taking it as. I also missed the significance of his default being Dan's hair as curly until dizzy and others mentioned it, idk why I love that so much but I really do I loved how deadpan Phil was in the Pumpkin quiz, when saying that he was the pumpkin guy, too, just really loved that video!

also super late on the Bake Off discussion but they'd be great hosts, as much as it's just a daydream - also @ Ben Cook and Hazel Hayes, soz but you're genuinely just not nice enough for those jokes about hosting it to work out. More realistically, I'd always hoped that they'd be dragged into competing for charity one year, I'm genuinely sad that whatever slim chance there once was of that seems to have disappeared!

human · Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:09 am

Just been reading back and I feel kinda alone in thinking that this was a bit of a sad effort from Phil. I mean, the not going to leave home without Dan comment was adorable... but people give Dan grief for not uploading and for forgetting about his channel. However, I actually feel like the last 3 or so months in particular Dan's been back to his best tbh. And Phil is a highly educated video editor and producer with a masters and we get quizzes and a scorpion walking along his carpet? He's capable of so much more and I feel so desperate to see it. I just don't feel like we will at the moment.

I feel more worried about his content and channel to be honest because Dan's views have been exploding lately but Phil just doesn't seem inspired. And including into that how bored he seems of Undertale, I'm starting to feel bored of seeing him be bored all the time.

It was a nice video but wouldn't rewatch and still waiting for something really creative, to indicate even a smidge of what we all know he is capable of sharing with us. Sigh.

Don't mind me, miss grouchy lol.

nephilimcat · Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:13 am

anathema wrote:I was stalking going through Dan's blog and found this post he reblogged:
“they’re your family you have to love them”

I don't wanna get too analysis-y on Dan's family/home life but I thought it was interesting

It really seems like Dan isn't that close to his family. Some comments he made in his videos about how his parents weren't really at home that much or in his diss track when he said they were disappointed that he dropped out of University, make it seem that way. Of course he was joking, but Dan seems to be a person who hides the truth behind jokes a lot.
But maybe he just doesn't want to mention his family anymore to keep their privacy It's none of our business though

internetakeover wrote:I loved that Phil openly, easily picked that he wouldn't leave the house without Dan, I think that's a really big statement to not shy away from or make any kind of big deal about. Between that and Dan's own mentionitis in his DINOF video I love that they're so open about what a big part of their lives the other is nowadays, although of course context of the story and quizzes probably makes that less sweet or significant than I'm taking it as.

I really like that as well. They don't seem to care if we think "OMG PHAN THE FEEEELS " Or they just realised that being all doesn't stop anyone from shipping them. They just seem so confident and happy recently, which is really nice to see

bluewho · Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:39 am

Mood: Pleased with the FineBros.

Cause:

What do you mean this doesn't count as contributing to the forum?

human · Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:25 am

bluewho wrote:Mood: Pleased with the FineBros.

Cause:

Tumblr credit for terrible gifs: me
What do you mean this doesn't count as contributing to the forum?

You are me. My custom rank does not lie lol honestly their videos are so bad lately, that was the saving grace for me also.

flarequake · Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:47 am

Loved Phil's video, though human makes a good point. I'm easily pleased by both of them so it rarely occurs to me, but it would be great to see more creativity from Phil and it'd be especially sad to discover that he really hasn't been feeling it for a while. If he is just coasting through, he does at least seem pretty comfortable where he is. Comfort zones are nice when they're working for you.

I didn't pick up on him being more himself than AP, but that's interesting if he is, unknowingly or not, letting more of himself through but still within how we're used to see him in main channel videos. I wonder also about these tiny clips of himself as otherPhil with his hair different etc whether he does it on purpose just to look different for the character or to squish our Philtrash hearts while keeping onbrand with the fringe. I realise that was suggested ages ago by someone else, just thought of it again now with the AP/actualPhil talk amidst wondering generally if any other changes are coming.

I liked the React video a lot too, it is so rare and refreshing to see him without the AP front. Dan was fun in that, but boy does he interrupt Phil almost every time.

What would be interesting, and something I'd be very surprised to see from either of them especially Phil, would be their thoughts on how things have been in the last year or so and what's behind any changes they've consciously made. They tell us a little in their liveshows, but people like John and Hank Green really open up and while I wouldn't expect the same from them as different people, and don't mean to demand anything, I'm just so interested

danphil333 · Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:59 am

internetakeover wrote:
I adored Phil's video so much, I agree that it seems like Dan picked the quizzes for him from a couple of his comments. It's been interesting - and brilliant, from my phan trash pov - to see Phil using more inclusive language for him and Dan recently in his liveshows, where he used to tend towards 'I' statements more often, and that seems to have extended over into AP now too! Admittedly it's been a while since we've had an AP video without Dan at least cameoing in it (I think the last before this was the pre-US tour vid, nearly 5 months ago?), so I guess the mentions just act as a substitute for that!

I loved that Phil openly, easily picked that he wouldn't leave the house without Dan, I think that's a really big statement to not shy away from or make any kind of big deal about. Between that and Dan's own mentionitis in his DINOF video I love that they're so open about what a big part of their lives the other is nowadays, although of course context of the story and quizzes probably makes that less sweet or significant than I'm taking it as. I also missed the significance of his default being Dan's hair as curly until dizzy and others mentioned it, idk why I love that so much but I really do I loved how deadpan Phil was in the Pumpkin quiz, when saying that he was the pumpkin guy, too, just really loved that video!

i agree with all of this

lets be real, i only logged in to post these

http://phanmoonlight.tumblr.com/post/15 ... nd-a-quiff

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:18 pm

flarequake wrote:Loved Phil's video, though human makes a good point. I'm easily pleased by both of them so it rarely occurs to me, but it would be great to see more creativity from Phil and it'd be especially sad to discover that he really hasn't been feeling it for a while. If he is just coasting through, he does at least seem pretty comfortable where he is. Comfort zones are nice when they're working for you.

I agree with you, flarequake, that he seems very comfortable with where he does. But I think I don't agree that he seems like he's coasting. (This next part is general opinion, not directed specifically at you!)

Personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with Phil making the kind of youtube content he feels confident and comfortable in. The pursuit for originality and 'creativity' from creators who aren't prioritizing that themselves seems so pretentious to me. It ends up feeling like the fans themselves just want to be able to brag that the media they consume is all deep and meaningful, and don't want someone who just makes fluffy happy things marring their track record. Imo, it is okay to like something just because it makes you smile and it's also okay for someone to make content just to make people smile. I'd begin to question things if it did look like Phil wasn't into the videos, but I just don't get that vibe at all. All I get is fans who feel unrest because they want Phil to be Dan something Phil doesn't want to be.

But I would also make the argument that Phil has been pushing himself tremendously outside of youtube for the past year, so I'm not surprised that he likes his videos in the comfort zone realm. TATINOF and the stage show were both new, exciting, creative things that they had no guarantee their audience would embrace and now they've got the same thing to worry about re: the TATINOF YTR release (where it needs to succeed on the backs of more than just dedicated fans).

bluewho · Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:20 pm

AP video notes:

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:32 pm

human wrote:
Just been reading back and I feel kinda alone in thinking that this was a bit of a sad effort from Phil. I mean, the not going to leave home without Dan comment was adorable... but people give Dan grief for not uploading and for forgetting about his channel. However, I actually feel like the last 3 or so months in particular Dan's been back to his best tbh. And Phil is a highly educated video editor and producer with a masters and we get quizzes and a scorpion walking along his carpet? He's capable of so much more and I feel so desperate to see it. I just don't feel like we will at the moment.

I feel more worried about his content and channel to be honest because Dan's views have been exploding lately but Phil just doesn't seem inspired. And including into that how bored he seems of Undertale, I'm starting to feel bored of seeing him be bored all the time.

It was a nice video but wouldn't rewatch and still waiting for something really creative, to indicate even a smidge of what we all know he is capable of sharing with us. Sigh.

Don't mind me, miss grouchy lol.

+1 your entire post (bar the grouchy bit).

I personally didn't think the video was all that, I thought it was boring tbh and I only made it 3/4 of the way through it before I turned it off. I'm all here for him making nice things that cheer people up yadda yadda but for me personally do I want to see him doing a few (rubbish) we are the unicorns quizzes about himself? No thanks. It just feels to me like he's run out of ideas and knows he needs to upload something so hes just throwing out anything. He can make interesting content, he's proved that in the past.

Also (sorry I'm on my phone so quoting is hard) dizzy, I don't think anyone wants Phil to be Dan, they are their own people with their separate personalities. I can see why people question Phils content these days, he has such a quirky and funny personality and he could definitely do a lot better and be much more creative than a buzz feed quiz.

CallMeAyana · Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:40 pm

I'm pretty late to the party, but.. I can only say:

Yeah, this week is pretty perfect because:
-Phil's LS (As always, fluffy af)
-YTReacts (So satisfying... no pun intended)
-Dil's Wedding (Quite uneventful, but sweet)
-Dan's LS (Oh my gods, that shade! )
-Dan's Vid (If not for my growing headache, I would have laughed so hard at it)
-Phil's New Vid (I already watched it thrice, and I'm planning to watch it again)

So.. yeah. I have nothing else to add since you guys have it all covered. This, though:

nephilimcat wrote:
anathema wrote:I was stalking going through Dan's blog and found this post he reblogged:
“they’re your family you have to love them”

I don't wanna get too analysis-y on Dan's family/home life but I thought it was interesting
It really seems like Dan isn't that close to his family. Some comments he made in his videos about how his parents weren't really at home that much or in his diss track when he said they were disappointed that he dropped out of University, make it seem that way. Of course he was joking, but Dan seems to be a person who hides the truth behind jokes a lot.
But maybe he just doesn't want to mention his family anymore to keep their privacy It's none of our business though

This is quite intriguing, to be honest. Compared to Phil, it seems like Dan doesn't visit his family often- it seems like he's quite in bad terms with them (imo), or have a tense silence between them (again, imo). Right now, maybe his parents are fine with his choice of career, but still wish that he didn't drop out of uni.
Again, this is none of my business, but I can't help speculating since he rarely talks about his family (and we all know how bad it went when the phandom found.. you know..

)

missemma wrote:
human wrote:
Just been reading back and I feel kinda alone in thinking that this was a bit of a sad effort from Phil. I mean, the not going to leave home without Dan comment was adorable... but people give Dan grief for not uploading and for forgetting about his channel. However, I actually feel like the last 3 or so months in particular Dan's been back to his best tbh. And Phil is a highly educated video editor and producer with a masters and we get quizzes and a scorpion walking along his carpet? He's capable of so much more and I feel so desperate to see it. I just don't feel like we will at the moment.

I feel more worried about his content and channel to be honest because Dan's views have been exploding lately but Phil just doesn't seem inspired. And including into that how bored he seems of Undertale, I'm starting to feel bored of seeing him be bored all the time.

It was a nice video but wouldn't rewatch and still waiting for something really creative, to indicate even a smidge of what we all know he is capable of sharing with us. Sigh.

Don't mind me, miss grouchy lol.
+1 your entire post (bar the grouchy bit).

I personally didn't think the video was all that, I thought it was boring tbh and I only made it 3/4 of the way through it before I turned it off. I'm all here for him making nice things that cheer people up yadda yadda but for me personally do I want to see him doing a few (rubbish) we are the unicorns quizzes about himself? No thanks. It just feels to me like he's run out of ideas and knows he needs to upload something so hes just throwing out anything. He can make interesting content, he's proved that in the past.

^This, also I think that he's running out of steam, and maybe he just needs a few weeks rest to come up with something relevant to post. I hope that he'll get out of his dump though because if he doesn't.. Well, you guys know what might happen

SquishPhan · Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:41 pm

danphil333 wrote: lets be real, i only logged in to post these

http://phanmoonlight.tumblr.com/post/15 ... nd-a-quiff

Really love how Phil looks with a quiff and his glasses.

alittledizzy wrote:
flarequake wrote:Loved Phil's video, though human makes a good point. I'm easily pleased by both of them so it rarely occurs to me, but it would be great to see more creativity from Phil and it'd be especially sad to discover that he really hasn't been feeling it for a while. If he is just coasting through, he does at least seem pretty comfortable where he is. Comfort zones are nice when they're working for you.
I agree with you, flarequake, that he seems very comfortable with where he does. But I think I don't agree that he seems like he's coasting. (This next part is general opinion, not directed specifically at you!)

Personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with Phil making the kind of youtube content he feels confident and comfortable in. The pursuit for originality and 'creativity' from creators who aren't prioritizing that themselves seems so pretentious to me. It ends up feeling like the fans themselves just want to be able to brag that the media they consume is all deep and meaningful, and don't want someone who just makes fluffy happy things marring their track record. Imo, it is okay to like something just because it makes you smile and it's also okay for someone to make content just to make people smile. I'd begin to question things if it did look like Phil wasn't into the videos, but I just don't get that vibe at all. All I get is fans who feel unrest because they want Phil to be Dan something Phil doesn't want to be.

But I would also make the argument that Phil has been pushing himself tremendously outside of youtube for the past year, so I'm not surprised that he likes his videos in the comfort zone realm. TATINOF and the stage show were both new, exciting, creative things that they had no guarantee their audience would embrace and now they've got the same thing to worry about re: the TATINOF YTR release (where it needs to succeed on the backs of more than just dedicated fans).

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:44 pm

human wrote:Just been reading back and I feel kinda alone in thinking that this was a bit of a sad effort from Phil. I mean, the not going to leave home without Dan comment was adorable... but people give Dan grief for not uploading and for forgetting about his channel. However, I actually feel like the last 3 or so months in particular Dan's been back to his best tbh. And Phil is a highly educated video editor and producer with a masters and we get quizzes and a scorpion walking along his carpet? He's capable of so much more and I feel so desperate to see it. I just don't feel like we will at the moment.

I feel more worried about his content and channel to be honest because Dan's views have been exploding lately but Phil just doesn't seem inspired. And including into that how bored he seems of Undertale, I'm starting to feel bored of seeing him be bored all the time.

It was a nice video but wouldn't rewatch and still waiting for something really creative, to indicate even a smidge of what we all know he is capable of sharing with us. Sigh.

Don't mind me, miss grouchy lol.

Phil is just kept to a far lower standard than Dan because.. well. Look critically at what the AP channel is. It has hardly ever been the truly creative outlet we want it to be. Like the phandom thinks the pinnacle of Phil's creativity and originality is the 7SC and he didn't even actually invent that game at all. Honestly anything that isn't just your standard filler vlog is actually above average AP content for me.

And I have a feeling that Phil's Masters is already long out of date... He never really edits anything but simple things that were filmed with 1 one camera and professional lighting (and for the gaming channel with a screen recorder). The second Krave challenge, something that wasn't filmed with a vlogging set up but with multiple camera's and without professional lighting, was edited by Jack Howard. That should've been a thing Phil could've taken on with ease but he didn't (I don't remember if they were very busy at the time as that could also be a reason but I don't think so?). He never really challenges himself and the FCP software of 2016 is probably quite different from the FCP in 2009 that he used for his degree*. If he never uses anything but the basics that hardly matters (and keyframing a scorpion or whatever across your screen honestly is pretty basic, any moronic fanvideo maker with some knowledge of Vegas and too much time on their hands can do it) but I imagine it does make a difference with many other things that Phil never does. If he never kept up with the software in detail and never really polished up his skills since receiving his diploma, his degree is hardly worth much these days. It just looks nice on paper.

*Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of FCP or how much it changed since Phil graduated, I have never used it in my life as I actually am (or more accurately was) one of those moronic fanvideo makers with too much time on her hands and basic Sony Vegas skills.

bluewho · Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:54 pm

Off-Topic:

ICYMI for PHAN cray ppl who think YouTubers SLAY which they DO, FACT!!!!!!!1/!999!!!1"`!!

also:

danphil333 · Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:30 pm

are you telling me that dan somehow is held to some higher standards? higher than phil? for his yt content? in 2016? what? i dont get it sorry. i am completely honest.

i mean look at dans last video. It was a sit-down, vloggy, story time type of video with some sketches. it was basically him talking to a camera about sth that happened to his life. everyone lost their fucking mind by how incredible it was. It got so much praise for how interesting and exciting it was. No mention of originality, creativity or whatever. Noone, Never said anything about dan lacking ideas, effort or originality in his videos. People even enjoy ISG the pinnacle of Dans creativity and originality like catallena said

now look at phils videos (the last one is not the best example tbh) but his content is basically casual, sit-down, storytelling videos. the typical vloggy style. a couple of crappy sketches here and there. that what he always does. Some people think its boring, uninspired. they are dissapointed because they want sth more creative and original from phil. i cant event count how many times i read the same "it was nothing groundbreaking or original" for phils videos. What does his degree have to do with anything? dan didnt, so he can have the same shitty editing with no problem

what i am trying to say is that dans last video was the closest he will ever get to the "phil type of content" and people loved it. That content is all they want from dan.
and still the same people give phil so much crap for his own content because it wasnt "creative" or "original" enough for their standards

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:33 pm

i...liked the video?

As alittledizzy said, they're taking big risks lately off-youtube, and they're paying off. that is coming at a compromised deal with some safe uploads. i agree with human, i can't STAND watching them when they're bored. i'm the first to moan. but i can't say i'm feeling it lately at all. they just seem...happier? more confident. not so wired. (not counting Dan's moods and periods of doubt, which aren't going away anytime soon as per some liveshows). in contrast again, Phil has been so expressive and honest his last few, i'm enjoying this return to nearly 2012 levels. so maybe i'm subconsciously giving Phil a pass for filler vids because he's genuinely making me smile lately? idk. i haven't wondered if he's a cereal robot hawk in at least a month.

genuine question: are there people who lean more towards Phil who are bored by him lately? i see a lot of negative Phil opinion mainly expressed from people who are self-confessed Dan-relators, whereas Dan seems to attract all angles in his criticism/commentary.

edit:
well, shit, i think this is the first time i've ever agreed with anything you've written, danphil333. lmfao.

danphil333 wrote:are you telling me that dan somehow is held to some higher standards? higher than phil? for his yt content? in 2016? what? i dont get it sorry. i am completely honest.

i mean look at dans last video. It was a sit-down, vloggy, story time type of video with some sketches thrown in there. everyone lost their fucking mind by how incredible it was. It got so much praise for how interesting and exciting it was. No mention of originality, creativity or whatever. Noone, Never said anything about dan lacking ideas, effort or originality in his videos. People even enjoy ISG the pinnacle of Dans creativity and originality like catallena said

now look at phils videos (the last one is not the best example tbh) but his content is basically casual, sit-down, storytelling videos. the typical vloggy style. a couple of crappy sketches here and there. that what he always does. Some people think its boring, uninspired. they are dissapointed because they want sth more creative and original from phil. i cant event count how many times i read the same "it was nothing groundbreaking or original" for phils videos

what i am trying to say is that dans last video was the closest he will ever get to the "phil type of content" and people loved it. That content is all they want from dan.
and still the same people give phil so much crap for his own content because it wasnt "creative" or "original" enough for their standards

i'd add to that:
Dan did take creative license and did 'more' last year, and he was thoroughly roasted and ridiculed to the point where he didn't want to upload the footage or speak about the process of making the trailer that he apparently so enjoyed, even though he promised it about 4 times.

and yeah yeah i know, art is risk. but it's kind of expected that notoriously hesitant and private creators are gun shy, or maybe just at capacity when they push their own boundaries off-youtube.

CallMeAyana · Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:46 pm

I think that people are expecting Phil to be more creative because people see his channel to be the more creative of the two, whilst Dan is the more #relatableguy or the "guy who fails a lot". I hope you guys know where I'm getting. I think it's a matter of their brands, really. I know that they both have the "creative" brand, but it's more emphasized on Phil since Dan also has the "relatable" brand and the "reasons why Dan's a fail" brand, over-powering the "creative" brand that he's aiming to be.
To be honest, after TATINOF, I think that they're losing their steam, and I hope that they'll comeback before they become irrelevant not-too-creative. I won't be surprised if they'll create a joint channel, and leave their main channels because apparently, their new channel is the new main. Please ignore me. I have no idea with what I'm doing.

SquishPhan · Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:54 pm

mermaid blood wrote: genuine question: are there people who lean more towards Phil who are bored by him lately? i see a lot of negative Phil opinion mainly expressed from people who are self-confessed Dan-relators, whereas Dan seems to attract all angles in his criticism/commentary.

As someone who leans more towards Phil I can honestly say that I'm not bored at all by him or his content.

Also I really don’t see why people are talking about them (or Phil in this case) becoming irrelevant. His latest vid already has 750.000+ views in about 18 hours. I don’t see anything to get worried about.

vincentian · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:01 pm

Re: Phil being not into making YT videos
I think that Phil is into making roughly two videos a month exactly proportionate to financial motivation/how time and resource consuming it is/how necessary it is to stay relevant on the internet, it’s a part of his job and he treats it as such. I don’t believe his videos are fulfilling any sort of creative needs for him, even if he enjoyed editing in that scorpion climbing under his bed or inventing another tag. He and Dan are more internet personalities/celebrities, producers, managers and businessmen these days rather than original content creators, and I feel like they are okay with this.

What (IMO) Phil could do to improve his videos (wishful thinking)

coffeepenguin · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:11 pm

Wow, so much... negativity

I know I'm new on this forum and my opinion's hardly relevant, but I'm honestly amazed at what I'm reading. What do you actually want from them, people?

mermaid blood wrote:Dan did take creative license and did 'more' last year, and he was thoroughly roasted and ridiculed to the point where he didn't want to upload the footage or speak about the process of making the trailer that he apparently so enjoyed, even though he promised it about 4 times.

THIS SO MUCH (and dizzy, as always )

But I actually have an argument about Phil and his attitude towards the creativity which I like to think is relevant. First of all, fancybum in the liveshows rewatch tread quoted Phil's view on his earlier content:

fancybum wrote: “I used to do some weird ass stuff on my channel like 3 years ago. As anyone who’s watched all my video will know, I went through kind of an experimental renaissance where I just made some weird, weird stuff. I don’t think I’ll be going back down that route."

Now, what I've been wanting to talk about for some time: Phil's ambition, it seems, has always been becoming famous, or, if you want, relevant, not finding his voice and expressing himself creatively. Take all his early TV appearances for example. He auditioned for The Big Brother, for god's sake. Then, it's also telling who he names as his favourite directors, I mean, I like Tarantino and Aronofski as much as the next person, but they are definitely very mainstream. Phil's not a movie nerd in terms of really groundbreaking cinema, you'll never see any mention of, idk, Lav Diaz, or Assayas, or any Korean directors who I hear are a compulsory watch for movie nerds these days (I have friends like that who go to the festivals and write about it, it's a whole 'nuther world out there). So, I feel like creativity has always been more of tool for Phil (then, of course, it depends on what you define as creativity), not a goal in itself.

Yes, people change, but Phil still seems to be very much seeking approval from others (for those familiar with Tatinof more so, I guess). Yes, he has an amazing mind which works in mysterious ways, but it's his default characteristic, not something he's actively exploring. Why? Because he's already found himself. Am I disappointed with that? No, because I appreciate him as a person, I respect his choices and when I want something more creative in terms of content I go and watch me some experimental cinema, but honestly, I'm more interested in pop-culture and that's why I'm here.

sorry for the rant, back to lurking

Philena · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:27 pm

coffeepenguin, please don't go back into lurkdom. You made some great points that were quite interesting and, frankly, are worth more discussion!

Same comment goes to mermaid blood. We need you guys to come out and play more often.

Amiaw · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:32 pm

Putting my two cents in: (just opinions)

I love Phil's videos and I am perfectly happy with how "fluffy" they are. I have never looked to YouTube for serious/creative content so I guess that's why I'm not disappointed. Phil knows what he does well and he is good at it- when I watch Phil I've never come away from the video without a smile and making people happy like that is not something everyone can do.

I love Dan's content as well but Dan's videos aren't that creative- and he even said himself he consults Phil for help/ideas so when he does do something creative it's not like he does it alone - it's pretty much a joint effort.

There are very few youtubers that I would consider "creative" - Ryan Higa and PJ are probably the only 2 that come to mind when I think of people that really like to try different things but that's okay. Im perfectly happy basking in the shallowness that is YouTube.

internetakeover · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:39 pm

bluewho wrote:Ready to start rubbing pumpkin spice into your face in SEPTEMBER

Yes, I can't believe I forgot to mention that!! Not understanding this autumn love, summer is clearly the best season, come on people

re: Phil discussion - obviously it wasn't the most creative video in the world, but I personally didn't need that from it. It made me happy, which is all Phil's ever said he wants to do with YT. I do love seeing more creative videos from him, and he does have great original ideas which are great to see, but I enjoyed this immensely too. I don't see him as bored at the moment, either, I thought he seemed pretty well engaged and naturally expressive throughout this last videos and in his recent liveshows, and that's part of what I'm enjoying seeing, I think.

mermaid blood wrote: i haven't wondered if he's a cereal robot hawk in at least a month.

lilMango · Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:42 pm

I loved the video. Loved Phil swearing, loved the glasses bit at the beginning, loved the mentions of Dan, overall not a horrible video.
One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen brought up yet... a lot of Phil's more recent videos (with the exception of the house plants one) are at least 10 minutes long, where it seems like most of his old ones were shorter unless they were "special" (like a DITL or baking vid).
Do you think he's adjusting his video length to fit the YouTube algorithm? I personally didn't think the quiz video needed to be 10 minutes long, and it did seem like it was dragged out a bit.
Maybe I'm overthinking lmao