Dan & Phil Part 24: I got moist for you, Phil

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I wish the animated show was Metalocalypse but alas my metal heart will never be satisfied. :sobs:

Quickie on Rosanna; she's cute but honestly I follow/like Dodger and the way Rosanna treated her after some dramu a few years ago just struck me as incredibly rude and mean, despite her cutesy persona on her Youtube. So yeah she's forever tainted.

I don't have an opinion on Hazel but honestly I used to love Carrie Fletcher too until I realised what a passive aggressive twat she is that thinks too highly of herself, so I'm very cynical with Youtubers that come off as nice and sweet. I don't know Dodie well enough, I feel like Louise would be a super fun person to be around, Emma Blackery is... well... let's not go there :lol:

Now I'm off to watch the vid you guys are posting recent screenies of so that my heart can explode.

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re: Phil's content
SquishPhan wrote: Also I really don’t see why people are talking about them (or Phil in this case) becoming irrelevant. His latest vid already has 750.000+ views in about 18 hours. I don’t see anything to get worried about.

Firstly, I would just like to say I liked the taking quizzes topic I thought it sounded fun But then I’m a Dan fan so I don’t know what that tells you.

But to address the topic seriously:
There is nothing damn wrong with Phil’s content. Phil is killing it, he’s at the top of his game. He raking in the views and the cash at alarming rates. Rates that truly boggle my mind. I think plenty of people love his content – otherwise he wouldn't be where he is today.

Also, I don’t like this assumption that some kinds of media are more ‘worthy’ than other kinds of media. What I’m trying to say is: liking a vloggy video that makes you smile is not mindless. It is not ‘worse’ than enjoying the most experimental art film. People like different things, people should be able to consume whatever they want to consume. No matter how ‘arty’ or ‘mindless’ the media is it’s all for the same purpose – to entertain. If you are entertained, what’s the problem? If you’re not turn it off. I quite often do this with AP videos. It’s not a diss. It’s not that there is anything wrong with Phil’s content, I just prefer my humor drier and dirtier and a little more sarcastic.

I’m not going to offer any criticisms for this reason. I recognize that the reason I sometimes don’t like Phil’s content is because I want it to be like Dan’s content – it just isn’t my cup of tea. Which is fine, people like different things.

Having said that if people who are usually fans of Phil's content have constructive criticism for him, then I think that is perfectly valid and should be helpful to Phil. Also if Phil isn't happy making his current content and isn't challenging himself then that's a problem. But if 'danosaurs' are going to complain that they don't like Phil's content because they fundamentally want him to just be Dan then I don't really see the point I can't say I've read much of that on here though
kuensukki wrote: It surely helped Dan because people applaud him for how far he's come yet we don't do the same for Phil even though he's come a long way. He started off this awkward white kid trying to find acceptance in his peers and look how far he's come now. His change was more in 2012 and even now he's a different man then he was in the past. He has become more confident then he used to be. He was scared at calling a hairdresser and now he's performing on stage and slowly putting himself more out there yet we never discuss how far he's come.
This is a good point

re: ermm... babies
If Phan adopted a baby yes that would be good for their popularity. If Dan or Phil had/adopted a baby with another partner – shitstorm, unending shitstorm.

re: is the Phandom out of control
I would do a point by point rebuke of the second one but I feel like I would get people come at me with pitchforks if I bring up Dan’s nails again, so for now I will settle for politely agreeing with this:
fancybum wrote: I want to take all of that bullshit down piece by piece but dammit I'm busy today and also just rolling my eyes is more than it deserves anyway. All of that's already been talked to death around here.
Is the phandom too out of control? No – some individuals in the phandom are out of control. Just like some individuals in every subgroup you can think of will always be ‘out of control’. Out of control individuals in fandoms/subgroups are not a new thing. The phandom did not invent this, nor does it have a monopoly of it. Unfortunately the phandom is stereotypically perceived as a bunch of girls, and therefore is stereotypically associated with all the negatives historically attributed to them – crazy, hysterical, neurotic, overly-emotional. Whatever you want to call it it’s a stereotype. I’m not saying there aren’t people like that in the phandom – there are a lot of them. I’m just saying they are individuals and shouldn’t define us as a group. The Phandom is not out of control because we are not some giant one headed overly-emotional hysterical beast. Some individuals in the phandom are stalkers, and cross the line. Regarding the second tumblr post: putting people who spam an online chat about nail polish in the same category as people who 'actually stalk' them is flawed because these are very different things. I think it’s Bad that some individuals go and see them at airports, I think it’s Bad that some individuals force them into a marriage proposal stance at M&Gs. But they are individuals, it is not ‘the phandom’ that is out of control, just those specific people.

Disclaimer: Everything I've written is just my own personal opinion, and I'm aware others disagree and I enjoy reading counterarguments. What I mean is, if you disagree that's fine too because none of it is meant to be taken personally :thumb:

Thank you Ticia for the video, I have never seen that part before for some reason. Yes I agree with you that could be part of in the incoming 'hitting of the fan' - good thinking.
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SquishPhan wrote:
the horse looks a bit .....weird :lol: :?
he posted it after midnight - i agree

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starlight-still wrote:More re: new AP
I can see why on the surface, Phil’s new video seems like it’s just a boring, maybe even lazy, effort to some. But the main takeaway that I got from the new AP is “hey phandom, I appreciate all the lovely things you say about me, but I have other sides to myself that I may want to start sharing more of soon.” Which is probably why I’m so over it. Warning: this post is a disorganized mish mash of emotions and analysis…but something I wanted to say nonetheless.

Both of them seem to be slowly chipping away (or at least confronting) their personas and evolving them into something new.

Dan’s a bit bolder, but still moving at a pace that’s comfortable for him. Attraction mentions. Diss track. Wavy hair. Opinions. Confrontation. Accepting compliments.

Phil is keeping it subtle, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t moving at all. I think he may have actually put some thought into the structure of the video. How can I separate AP from who I am behind the scenes while keeping it light and entertaining? OK, there are all these AP quizzes out there. What if I took them? Would I even score as "myself"?

So the answer was, more or less, “yes” especially when he picked what was expected (but also had an argument for each of those choices). But, in between the obvious answer choices we got little revelations. The photo shoot story. The “I used to be not so confident and I haven’t forgotten about it” remark. Just seeing his reaction to the “beautiful, gorgeous, angel bean, ball of sunshine, etc.” type comments that we read every day; mostly flattered, maybe even a little bit genuinely surprised and touched but also saddened. He seemed to be saying, “I get why this is something that appeals, especially to the younger audience- heck, I could’ve probably used it when I was their age.”

Glimpses at what could be coming soon: Deadpan delivery. More that 100% nerdy (maybe about even more than video games and anime and such). “I’m calling the police.” “Phil 100%....wahahaha.” “Yaaaay.”

Who is this glasses-wearing, fringeless, bean-hating, goose-loving, stubbly, non-smiling, morning strolling, fancy ass, moth-tossing, bare-footed, pants-less, blinky (look at the last 20 seconds), sneaky weasel indeed.

I can’t imagine for a second that one of them (Dan) is moving in a new direction without the other.

Technically, I doubt he’s really just limited himself to the level of skills we see on display on AP. Same with his ability to create original, high quality work. It’s in there. We’ve just gotta be patient.
A+ing all this analysis. I liked that on the surface it was this little feel-good happy-go-lucky video of "let's take quizzes about myself and see if I'm me lolz" and it was something more than that in the end and after 6 pages of analysis by us. I loved the new glimpses we got and think you're right on the money with observing that they're chipping away little by little. It kind of makes me simultaneously happy and weirdly nervous for the future.
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(I would love to see Dan's interpretation of the drawing prompt :lol:)
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Just overdosed on the last 10 pages. Never again.

The previous finebros videos were meh but the oddly satisfying one was the best of the batch so far, how many videos did they prepare with dnp, was it like 5? we'll see

The thing from tumblr, yeah tumblr does this thing where it "suggests" particular posts to you based on tags you follow and such by unexpectedly inserting them on your dashboard without asking so it's completely possible someone stumbles upon something like that (gods know i've been blocking top/bottom phan """jokes""" posts on my dashboard all week because tumblr blocking posts doesn't even work well smh). Not getting on those topics, been discussed everywhere at length before and i'm tired of everything.

I liked Phil's video, that zoom in on the scented candle warmed my heart, highlight of the video for me. I'm sure he wouldn't upload something he's not ok with, i'm more on the Dan side of things so i guess i have more expectations there, i watch Phil too but for different reasons, since they both offer different content when they're not working together. Phil's videos are calming to me, like carefree, just great to come home to after a long day and disconnect for a few minutes, and i appreciate that.
I'm not going to overanalyze every little thing and stress over numbers or what-ifs, pretty sure that's the opposite of why Phil makes the videos he makes.

Now that game they've been playing i'm not sure which one is exactly but i love drawing games, i wonder what's the time limit to make the doodles, they look too rushed to be done in a minute or even half (maybe they're 7sc'ing it?), and if "woman giving birth to a horse" was the worst (best?) one of the night and if not, how were the other ones??
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There is a game we play that is really fun like this. I don't know what the name is, but basically everyone writes a sentence on a piece of paper - then you pass that paper to the right and everyone tries to draw what the sentence says, then you pass it to the right again and explain what the drawing looks like, then you keep passing and alternate between drawing explanations and explaining drawings. At the end you get your original paper back and usually it is completely different. its like telephone but with drawing.

edit - found a digital version - super fun. https://drawception.com/
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Artdefines06 wrote:There is a game we play that is really fun like this. I don't know what the name is, but basically everyone writes a sentence on a piece of paper - then you pass that paper to the right and everyone tries to draw what the sentence says, then you pass it to the right again and explain what the drawing looks like, then you keep passing and alternate between drawing explanations and explaining drawings. At the end you get your original paper back and usually it is completely different. its like telephone but with drawing.

edit - found a digital version - super fun. https://drawception.com/
I love this game! Cranium has a really fun version called Scriblish. When I was thinking about what they might be playing, this crossed my mind, but I vetoed it because they both wrote on the paper. When I play, you can't write words. But now I'm looking at the photos again, that could very possibly be what they're playing. It wouldn't be surprising if they have slightly different rules.

Edit: I realized what I said might be confusing- when I say write on the paper, I mean that they wrote sound effects on their drawings ("neigh"). Obviously someone has to write a caption :roll:
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Artdefines06 wrote:There is a game we play that is really fun like this. I don't know what the name is, but basically everyone writes a sentence on a piece of paper - then you pass that paper to the right and everyone tries to draw what the sentence says, then you pass it to the right again and explain what the drawing looks like, then you keep passing and alternate between drawing explanations and explaining drawings. At the end you get your original paper back and usually it is completely different. its like telephone but with drawing.

edit - found a digital version - super fun. https://drawception.com/
Currently playing this digital version and one of my first prompts was Dan and Phil
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bluewho wrote:Also, I don’t like this assumption that some kinds of media are more ‘worthy’ than other kinds of media. What I’m trying to say is: liking a vloggy video that makes you smile is not mindless. It is not ‘worse’ than enjoying the most experimental art film. People like different things, people should be able to consume whatever they want to consume. No matter how ‘arty’ or ‘mindless’ the media is it’s all for the same purpose – to entertain. If you are entertained, what’s the problem? If you’re not turn it off. I quite often do this with AP videos. It’s not a diss. It’s not that there is anything wrong with Phil’s content, I just prefer my humor drier and dirtier and a little more sarcastic.
I don't like the hierarchy of fans, "I'm better than you because I like better music" "I'm better than you because I like better movies" "I'm better than you because my taste is more sophisticated" dude who cares. At the end of the day it's entertainment. You're trying to have a good time and make yourself happy. I wrote a whole lot more about this but it was too #bitter and #salty so I'm leaving it at that.

Re: Phil's content can someone explain to me why this quiz video was the straw that broke the camels back? Yes Phil used to make brilliant videos (cough) but those days have been over for, like, years and I don't really get why we're suddenly having this conversation? I miss Phil's old content too but I've long accepted that it's not coming back, and I also very much enjoy his "new" content or the content he's been making for the past few years. This new video doesn't stick out as more fluffy or worse to me so I'm not understanding where this is coming from. I'm genuinely curious so I'd love for someone to explain to me what stuck out about this video. To me it seemed pretty at par with the other content he has been making (which I really enjoy for the record).

re: babies This kinda struck me as coming out of left field and I'm pretty indifferent to the subject other than being like "huh?" I don't really feel like phan having a baby would impact their viewership, if anything I think it might raise their views a little bit because everyone freaks tf out over cute domestic shit. But I don't think it would cause a major change in audience.

re: is the phandom insane today we're gonna talk about *spins board* if the phandom is out of hand!! Why are they out of hand this time?? *throws dart* oh! because we're forcing phan on them! Wait... *fishes rubber ducky out of kiddie pool* no we're hating on their female friends!! hold on we're *rolls dice* forcing pastel edits!!

People will always be complaining about something that the phandom does. We're a big fandom. We're a loud fandom. Are we overly problematic? If you ask me, nah. I also agree with the idea that we shouldn't act like everyone in the phandom is the same, obviously everyone is different and we're so big that there are a lot of different opinions and actions present. It's kinda impossible to group us all together and assume we'll all act the same way. It's also just not accurate.
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too bad I already watched all of "Ro"'s bloopers video before I saw this.

[offtopic]And the more I watched Rosanna's video the angrier I got. It was clear by the end of the video that she had a camera crew, an editor, a makeup artist...the whole shebang. I feel like that kind of stuff has no place on Youtube. Youtube is about content creators and talent, not a company with enough money to hire professionals at one thing and to come together and produce a show. That is TV. There's a place for that content and it's TV. Now, someone's gonna make the argument of "well isn't TATINOF YTR and the documentary the same thing?" no it's not because all that was written by D&P and D&P are overseeing it and have a huge hand in production. And all their content isn't filmed at the YT space with a camera crew and professional editors to this day, and that's the way it should be. I watch D&P because I like the way they do things, not the way they hire people to do things. I appreciate the work they put into things. If all they did was recite lines and stand in front of a camera in a set and walk away making bank, I would feel a different way. But they work damn hard. From what I've seen this Rosanna girl clearly does nothing of substance. And that's okay for TV, that's what reality TV is and God knows I watch reality TV. But I just don't feel like Youtube is the place for it. That's not what Youtube is supposed to be. Now someone give me a tall glass of water or something because damn I am #salty[/offtopic]
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Re: Phil

I started watching Phil so long ago that I don't remember the exact video that got me interested. All I remember is it was mid-2008 and it was one of his college videos. At one point he was wearing a suit. That's all I remember....however I became a fan. I watched his videos every time he uploaded because there was something about him that was really appealing. I feel Phil hit his creative "peak" from early 2009 to about the end of 2010 ...

Then it stopped being about creativity for him.

I've long thought the last, dying gasp of "creative Phil" was Tour of my Brain. I think that video was the culmination of everything that was Phil. I MISS that Phil. I think Phil used to try harder than he does now and that is what I miss. While Phil may be embarrassed at his older videos, they did show a "I'll try anything" thing (Remember Philipa?) element that he just doesn't have the will do do anymore. The Basket may be weird and dated right now ... but it was FUN.

As for persona change ... yes ... Phil's persona is different now than it used to be. Old Phil video's were REALLY flirty. He smiled differently than he does now. He was a vlogger who wasn't afraid to be weird. Then, I can clearly remember thinking about it at the time, Phil changed. It was toward the end of 2010-early 2011. Phil's videos stopped being unusual and became more safe. Then Phil's content became even more safe in the lead up to the BBC gig (I'm convinced that Phil had privated SO many video's from the past due to wanting to impress the BBC). Since then Phil has been ... well, a pleasant if inoffensive vlogger who rarely does anything outside himself.

As for Phil now. Well, as much as I would like him to step outside himself lets take a couple things into consideration. Phil is nearly 30 (holy shit) and has been on youtube going on 11 years. He's made hundreds of videos and motivations don't stay the same. In particular after putting together big tours, a book, a youtube Red tour highlight video and more. Unlike Charlie McDonnell and other old youtubers who've fallen off the map Phil is still popular. That's an achievement. A really fucking big one. He should be proud of that.

Phil is happy making his inoffensive videos. Something that started as a way to get famous morphed into small popularity and weird, obscure, creative videos interspersed with vlogging, into meeting Dan and moving apartments, into changing his content into very safe and kid oriented content. Due to his age and combined with the sheer volume of video's he's done I'd say that we can't expect him to change too much. The dye is cast, and he is successful. At this point Phil could look at this discussion and, and then look at his views and say ... well, something has worked.

Phil USED to be something wacky and creative but it's taken me a long time to accept that not only is he different from 2008 ... but that he isn't motivated to impress like he used to be. That's ok. He's ok with being Phil Lester ... the 30 year old youtuber who's outlasted the people he started with. That's pretty cool when you think about it, and it's something we all should find cool as well.

(Phil fan forever tho)
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Amazinglyonfire wrote:Phil is happy making his inoffensive videos. Something that started as a way to get famous morphed into small popularity and weird, obscure, creative videos interspersed with vlogging, into meeting Dan and moving apartments, into changing his content into very safe and kid oriented content. Due to his age and combined with the sheer volume of video's he's done I'd say that we can't expect him to change too much. The dye is cast, and he is successful. At this point Phil could look at this discussion and, and then look at his views and say ... well, something has worked.

Phil USED to be something wacky and creative but it's taken me a long time to accept that not only is he different from 2008 ... but that he isn't motivated to impress like he used to be. That's ok. He's ok with being Phil Lester ... the 30 year old youtuber who's outlasted the people he started with. That's pretty cool when you think about it, and it's something we all should find cool as well.
Agree so, so much with both of these paragraphs!
eevee wrote:re: is the phandom insane today we're gonna talk about *spins board* if the phandom is out of hand!! Why are they out of hand this time?? *throws dart* oh! because we're forcing phan on them! Wait... *fishes rubber ducky out of kiddie pool* no we're hating on their female friends!! hold on we're *rolls dice* forcing pastel edits!!
Look at eevee, exposing phandomrants' entire method of formulating posts...
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Amazinglyonfire wrote:(I just realized I'm posting right now and a good 95% of you have no idea who I am, but I'll just roll with it and introduce myself afterword)

Re: Phil
I started watching Phil so long ago that I don't remember the exact video that got me interested. All I remember is it was mid-2008 and it was one of his college videos. At one point he was wearing a suit. That's all I remember....however I became a fan. I watched his videos every time he uploaded because there was something about him that was really appealing. I feel Phil hit his creative "peak" from early 2009 to about the end of 2010 ...

Then it stopped being about creativity for him.

I've long thought the last, dying gasp of "creative Phil" was Tour of my Brain. I think that video was the culmination of everything that was Phil. I MISS that Phil. I think Phil used to try harder than he does now and that is what I miss. While Phil may be embarrassed at his older videos, they did show a "I'll try anything" thing (Remember Philipa?) element that he just doesn't have the will do do anymore. The Basket may be weird and dated right now ... but it was FUN.

As for persona change ... yes ... Phil's persona is different now than it used to be. Old Phil video's were REALLY flirty. He smiled differently than he does now. He was a vlogger who wasn't afraid to be weird. Then, I can clearly remember thinking about it at the time, Phil changed. It was toward the end of 2010-early 2011. Phil's videos stopped being unusual and became more safe. Then Phil's content became even more safe in the lead up to the BBC gig (I'm convinced that Phil had privated SO many video's from the past due to wanting to impress the BBC). Since then Phil has been ... well, a pleasant if inoffensive vlogger who rarely does anything outside himself.

As for Phil now. Well, as much as I would like him to step outside himself lets take a couple things into consideration. Phil is nearly 30 (holy shit) and has been on youtube going on 11 years. He's made hundreds of videos and motivations don't stay the same. In particular after putting together big tours, a book, a youtube Red tour highlight video and more. Unlike Charlie McDonnell and other old youtubers who've fallen off the map Phil is still popular. That's an achievement. A really fucking big one. He should be proud of that.

Phil is happy making his inoffensive videos. Something that started as a way to get famous morphed into small popularity and weird, obscure, creative videos interspersed with vlogging, into meeting Dan and moving apartments, into changing his content into very safe and kid oriented content. Due to his age and combined with the sheer volume of video's he's done I'd say that we can't expect him to change too much. The dye is cast, and he is successful. At this point Phil could look at this discussion and, and then look at his views and say ... well, something has worked.

Phil USED to be something wacky and creative but it's taken me a long time to accept that not only is he different from 2008 ... but that he isn't motivated to impress like he used to be. That's ok. He's ok with being Phil Lester ... the 30 year old youtuber who's outlasted the people he started with. That's pretty cool when you think about it, and it's something we all should find cool as well.
(Phil fan forever tho)
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eevee wrote: Re: Phil's content can someone explain to me why this quiz video was the straw that broke the camels back? Yes Phil used to make brilliant videos (cough) but those days have been over for, like, years and I don't really get why we're suddenly having this conversation? I miss Phil's old content too but I've long accepted that it's not coming back, and I also very much enjoy his "new" content or the content he's been making for the past few years. This new video doesn't stick out as more fluffy or worse to me so I'm not understanding where this is coming from. I'm genuinely curious so I'd love for someone to explain to me what stuck out about this video. To me it seemed pretty at par with the other content he has been making (which I really enjoy for the record).
re: is the phandom insane today we're gonna talk about *spins board* if the phandom is out of hand!! Why are they out of hand this time?? *throws dart* oh! because we're forcing phan on them! Wait... *fishes rubber ducky out of kiddie pool* no we're hating on their female friends!! hold on we're *rolls dice* forcing pastel edits!!
[offtopic]And the more I watched Rosanna's video the angrier I got. It was clear by the end of the video that she had a camera crew, an editor, a makeup artist...the whole shebang. I feel like that kind of stuff has no place on Youtube. Youtube is about content creators and talent, not a company with enough money to hire professionals at one thing and to come together and produce a show. That is TV. There's a place for that content and it's TV. Now, someone's gonna make the argument of "well isn't TATINOF YTR and the documentary the same thing?" no it's not because all that was written by D&P and D&P are overseeing it and have a huge hand in production. And all their content isn't filmed at the YT space with a camera crew and professional editors to this day, and that's the way it should be. I watch D&P because I like the way they do things, not the way they hire people to do things. I appreciate the work they put into things. If all they did was recite lines and stand in front of a camera in a set and walk away making bank, I would feel a different way. But they work damn hard. From what I've seen this Rosanna girl clearly does nothing of substance. And that's okay for TV, that's what reality TV is and God knows I watch reality TV. But I just don't feel like Youtube is the place for it. That's not what Youtube is supposed to be. Now someone give me a tall glass of water or something because damn I am #salty[/offtopic]
I agree. Something about her having a whole crew and getting makeup touch-ups in between scenes kind of rubbed me the wrong way (Also, do you think she makes her guests wear makeup?)
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anathema wrote:I agree. Something about her having a whole crew and getting makeup touch-ups in between scenes kind of rubbed me the wrong way (Also, do you think she makes her guests wear makeup?)
She said in the beginning that "she" went through the footage and picked bloopers but later in the video she addressed her editor by name and told him not to leave something in. And she had the makeup artist scrub lipstick off her teeth...talk about entitled. As for what the guests do, they appear to not be wearing the gear she wears (whatever that black thing with an antenna is on her back) and idk if they wear makeup. I wouldn't be surprised if she did ask them to wear makeup and it's impossible to tell if deppy are wearing makeup at any given time because their skin is smooth and perfect at all times :sideeye:

Also Amazinglyonfire :platonic: I liked your post, very insightful. I agree that it's a huge achievement to stay relevant and successful on Youtube for that long. I'm happy for him :)
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eevee wrote:[offtopic]And the more I watched Rosanna's video the angrier I got. It was clear by the end of the video that she had a camera crew, an editor, a makeup artist...the whole shebang. I feel like that kind of stuff has no place on Youtube. Youtube is about content creators and talent, not a company with enough money to hire professionals at one thing and to come together and produce a show. That is TV. There's a place for that content and it's TV. Now, someone's gonna make the argument of "well isn't TATINOF YTR and the documentary the same thing?" no it's not because all that was written by D&P and D&P are overseeing it and have a huge hand in production. And all their content isn't filmed at the YT space with a camera crew and professional editors to this day, and that's the way it should be. I watch D&P because I like the way they do things, not the way they hire people to do things. I appreciate the work they put into things. If all they did was recite lines and stand in front of a camera in a set and walk away making bank, I would feel a different way. But they work damn hard. From what I've seen this Rosanna girl clearly does nothing of substance. And that's okay for TV, that's what reality TV is and God knows I watch reality TV. But I just don't feel like Youtube is the place for it. That's not what Youtube is supposed to be. Now someone give me a tall glass of water or something because damn I am #salty[/offtopic]
There are many channels on YT that have a substantial crew behind them (Rhett & Link, FineBros, some Green brothers stuff), and their videos come off as quite polished, with a solid format to each episode. I'm not saying that hosting a cooking show is the same as planning, filming and editing everything yourself, but people post videos on YT for different reasons, just as they watch videos on YT for different reasons (like we were just talking about earlier). Some creators use YT as a springboard to mainstream media, and I think that's okay as long as they don't get all pretentious about it and forget where they came from, you know? YT hasn't been solely full of bedroom vloggers for quite a while, and I'm sure many popular youtubers get more help with their videos than is immediately obvious.

But, at the end of the day, YouTube is a video sharing website with a lot of content. If you don't want to watch Rosanna's videos because you don't like how they're produced or they don't fit into your idea of how YT is supposed to be ... hey, you don't have to watch them.



(disclaimer: I don't watch Rosanna or even many other youtubers other than D&P. I just felt that the amount of salt there was a bit unnecessary.)
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[offtopic]And the more I watched Rosanna's video the angrier I got. It was clear by the end of the video that she had a camera crew, an editor, a makeup artist...the whole shebang. I feel like that kind of stuff has no place on Youtube. Youtube is about content creators and talent, not a company with enough money to hire professionals at one thing and to come together and produce a show. That is TV. There's a place for that content and it's TV. Now, someone's gonna make the argument of "well isn't TATINOF YTR and the documentary the same thing?" no it's not because all that was written by D&P and D&P are overseeing it and have a huge hand in production. And all their content isn't filmed at the YT space with a camera crew and professional editors to this day, and that's the way it should be. I watch D&P because I like the way they do things, not the way they hire people to do things. I appreciate the work they put into things. If all they did was recite lines and stand in front of a camera in a set and walk away making bank, I would feel a different way. But they work damn hard. From what I've seen this Rosanna girl clearly does nothing of substance. And that's okay for TV, that's what reality TV is and God knows I watch reality TV. But I just don't feel like Youtube is the place for it. That's not what Youtube is supposed to be. Now someone give me a tall glass of water or something because damn I am #salty[/offtopic]
I agree. Something about her having a whole crew and getting makeup touch-ups in between scenes kind of rubbed me the wrong way (Also, do you think she makes her guests wear makeup?)
hope I quoted all that correctly.

TBH when I first saw rosanna I thought kinda the same thing. but if you look at her early stuff it was just a dorky girl in a tiny apartment kitchen cooking geeky things, which (probably) hadn't been done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE5eB4v ... &index=242

edit - here is a probably mostly truthful article if you are interested http://www.cosmopolitan.com/food-cockta ... scinating/

Rich has been her editor since the beginning, at least five years, and I'm pretty sure she shares that giant mansion with many of the crew who film and edit her show. She has a house tour somewhere but I dont want to link too many of her videos. That shows loyalty and kindness.

These facts dont make me love her, but I do watch her collabs because she seems more relaxed and less scripted in them.

At what point does one become too mainstream and commercially sucessful that you get kicked off of youtube and have to get a tv show? That is a whole other realm of financial nightmare, and she wouldnt nessesarily have complete control over her content, or be able to reach as wide of an audience.

I feel like this applies a bit to the 'phil x creative' video discussion. If you watch people like PJ and Tomska they are constantly talking about how long it takes to do a fancy edited filmshoot or sketch. You have to find funding, crewmembers, actors, go through the investors to have them cut jokes out of your script or tell you to make it shorter/longer/funnier etc. It is an amount of effort that only those who are extremely passionate about film making are willing to pursue. There is a reason they say it takes blood, sweat, and tears to make it in the creative film world. I think the book, book trailer, and now this dvd have given them a real taste of that world,but they could only do all these things because they got youtube and the publishers to fund it. I believe when asked why YTR Dan specifically said it was because it is the only option that allows them control over the final product, whereas getting outsiders to invest often means you compromise with them. Who knows if they will like this process enough to really embrace it.

I support whatever choices they make (outside of murder(in rl not the sims or undertale)).
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mysterylovescompany wrote:But, at the end of the day, YouTube is a video sharing website with a lot of content. If you don't want to watch Rosanna's videos because you don't like how they're produced or they don't fit into your idea of how YT is supposed to be ... hey, you don't have to watch them.
I'm mostly just worried about this kind of content (professional, film crew, scripted, TV-esque) will become the standard for youtubers and the bar will be raised, and people like D&P who want a say in every aspect of their content's production will be pushed out by those who succumb to professional and high-budget content creation. I hope you're right though that it's ultimately a video sharing website where anyone can upload I'm just scared of it turning into something different. Maybe I need to take a lavendar bath...
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thats an understandable fear. I do think the bar has already been raised in a way. Many youtubers who have been around for a while say its both easier and more difficult to be on youtube for exactly these reasons. Yes, you will do better if you have better equipment and editing, but you can still do well without, it just takes a little longer to get the money to get/learn those things. In the end though, original content, editing, and a decent camera are the basic foundations of a successful channel. If I saw a big YTer who didnt reinvest the money from my views into better equipment for better content I would be a little annoyed tbh. I am always happy when I hear they bought a better camera, or a better house, or nice clothes, because in the end it all benefits me as a viewer :)

Also, imagine if someone you did support and enjoy for years suddenly said "well, I'm moving onto tv now making big productions with a crew, I'll be on this channel you cant access without fancy cable and need to pay for, soz bye!" That would suck :( I think YT Red is the beginning of this and it ames me kinda grumpy, but at least its still accessible and next to their other content and on the internet.
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[offtopic]Kind of ...i guess
I think everybody is free to upload to youtube videos that are low or highly produced, I really don't see any problem in that. There is content for everyone. If you can make the content you want without having people that control it from behind the scenes (i mean like a tv producer) and you can make that sweet money then go for it. Who cares if you have a crew of 10 people to help you.And if you don't like watching that Youtube is so big and you will always have people that make all the content by themselves[/offtopic]
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Artdefines06 wrote:thats an understandable fear. I do think the bar has already been raised in a way. Many youtubers who have been around for a while say its both easier and more difficult to be on youtube for exactly these reasons. Yes, you will do better if you have better equipment and editing, but you can still do well without, it just takes a little longer to get the money to get/learn those things. In the end though, original content, editing, and a decent camera are the basic foundations of a successful channel. If I saw a big YTer who didnt reinvest the money from my views into better equipment for better content I would be a little annoyed tbh. I am always happy when I hear they bought a better camera, or a better house, or nice clothes, because in the end it all benefits me as a viewer :)

Also, imagine if someone you did support and enjoy for years suddenly said "well, I'm moving onto tv now making big productions with a crew, I'll be on this channel you cant access without fancy cable and need to pay for, soz bye!" That would suck :( I think YT Red is the beginning of this and it ames me kinda grumpy, but at least its still accessible and next to their other content and on the internet.
I think you're right that the bar is already a bit raised with the fancy cameras and ring lights but that I don't mind, I agree that I'm benefiting by seeing my favs in HD lol. I guess I imagined not the already-established Youtubers suddenly moving to TV, I guess I imagined shows like nerdynummies popping up everywhere and TV moving to youtube. I'm scared that networks will realize that youtube is where the money is and start to produce content designed for youtube and that will really bother me but i guess nothing can stop current youtubers from doing their thing so hopefully my fear is pretty irrational
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