Honestly, re
#wheresphil/dan, I would be hella annoyed if I was him. The phandom annoys the fu...........
dge out of me especially due to what someone else mentioned, the "irony". You tell them outright not to do something so they go and do it anyway to seem "funny". It's not funny, you have the mental capacity of a walnut if you can't understand when someone actually wants you to please stop. Or, even better, when you shouldn't begin in the first place
because it's so freaking annoying oh my god. I've found phans in the most random corners of Youtube and sure I don't
have to participate in their circlejerk thread but it makes me groan like "ugh, I did not want my precious pure thing to be tainted with 'what if Phan' rubbish."
That aside, if you go into one person's live show and spam the chat about the other one, then you don't deserve anything, frankly.

Just wait their own goddamn turn and you'll get them. It's not funny, it's not ironic, it's sad and irritating for the other fans who a) either get lumped into a category they never wanted to be in or b) have to hear/read it or see the aftermath from deppy.
It's not about age, I know lots of mature young teens. But holy moses on a boat, a lot of them are so immature and unaware of their behaviour, that honestly a dan rant is kind of necessary. Hey, a lot of us had to bear the burdens of the Great Rants of '12, why shouldn't they?

This is kind of where I actually WANT that "pedestal". Not to glorify Dan, but to remind youth that Youtubers are not your relatable friends from another location, they are business people and entertainers. I want the annoying ones to remember that doing the opposite of what they ask for is not gonna make them lol "oh you", it'll piss them off for good reason. I want them to please zoom five or ten years into the future and imagine how embarrassing their comments and behaviour will be.
sinnamonrollphil wrote:Catallena wrote:
He has no idea how lucky both him and Phil are with the phandom, plenty of his peers would kill for
an audience as dedicated as us. Yes there will be grumbling but he can do whatever the fuck he wants and not lose many hardcore fans over it. People wanted to shoot them when TABINOF/TATINOF was first announced, but most warmed up to it real damn quick. So whenever he gets like this I just majorly side eye him.
The phandom can be a bit much sometimes, but I don't think he's complaining for the right reasons. Another TATINOF thing wouldn't mean the end of DINOF, and he could just whack it on his second channel if he really doesn't feel comfortable with it but still wants his fans (Im sorry
not fans) to see it.

so i wonder sometimes if dan has had a realisation that his (
cough) 'fans' are not the kind of 'fans' he wants anymore and now there's no way to change it? like i wonder if he ever looks at audiences like charlie's or tomska's and wishes that he had that? the not obsessive, chill, non-screaming, mostly older audience? and at this point there's not much he can do to get out of the characteristics of his audience (generally younger, female, very heavily shipping based, enjoys a good scream) and he's frustrated about it? like he and phil obviously helped this culture along with the way the tour was written but overall this has been a thing way before tour they were just taking advantage of a system that already existed.
obviously this is wild speculation and i genuinely don't know or have an inclination of his feelings on the issue, but i wouldn't judge him for feeling that way. he's said for a long time 'the rebrand is coming' and now that we're here it's almost like he feels like the audience wants him to be a dancing monkey and he doesn't see an easy way out of it
omg im at the top ew
Considering my rant above

I'd be a bit annoyed if I had those fans too. The thing is I understand they appreciate the fans that support them and vote for them and buy their tickets and watch their videos. But it's gotten to a point where the... scolding is fallen on Dan because Phil just quietly snipes anyone rather than outright say "please don't do this". I actually feel that if Phil really DID say something of the sort, the fans would freak out. Most annoying fans were either not there for when Dan scolded people or they disregard his opinions and personality anyway because "lol". If Phil said anything at all they would be like "omg srs bsnss cinnamon roll Phil is angry at us" and it'll be tumblr self-policing all over again. We had all this already back in 12.
The problem imo is that the fans who cause the damage are precisely the fans that don't listen. As much as Jacksepticeye's majority of the fanbase annoys me for the same reason as pewdiepie's and markiplier's fans annoy me, and as much as his content/persona is soooooo not my thing, I respect the dude a lot for being active in
that place and also being vocal and putting his foot down when drama happens. He nips it in the bud respectfully and firmly and for the most part, the fans listen. But deppy's fans don't, not the ones that actually tarnish the good eggs, anyway.
And so yeah I think Dan's pretty tired of that, because he's never sure what angle to come from.