Dan & Phil Part 30: I want your ass

jesuisunèléve · Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:49 pm

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Dan at his well-thought-out, articulate best.

Phil, as an outsider actually IN Florida at the moment, (my OH is currently in the same position, only he's there for work rather than holiday - to be honest, I can't wait for him to get home on Monday) I don't blame him for keeping quiet, even if it is completely standard behaviour, and what normally makes me want to shake him until opinions fall out. I note he only re-tweeted the more positive/less "blame-y" of Dan's tweets.

I’m just awaiting/dreading the oncoming backlash when Dan announces he’s dropped the veganism again in about a fortnight max. Despite him having been upfront about it only being temporary.

Phil, not one for confrontation, knows what a hot topic this election is. He could be staying silent avoid any backlash/questions he can't answer.

Last night I was chatting with a friend in the UK and spent a quite a bit of time going over American Civics with her. The election received quite a bit of sensational coverage overseas.

Dan's LS: I listened to some of it after it happened as I was stuck in traffic. Not seeing him and only listening I thought he sounded drunk, lonely, and blaming Phil for nearly everything He seemed snarky and salty, especially when he mentioned Phil being in Florida.

hmm · Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:11 pm

melon lord wrote: I just have a random tangent about the person called WonderfullyRachel who is always no1 on Younow, she has a Youtube channel

i cant seem to find her on youtube- do you have a link?
edit: jokes just searched wonderfullyrachel instead of wonderfully rachel wow bloody hell

karma_yeah · Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:21 am

I really appreciated Dan's tweets. However, I am devastated by the election. He has vowed to repeal Obama's executive order on gay marriage and now has the power to stack the supreme court to support that.

Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:40 am

IckleMissMayhem wrote: I’m just awaiting/dreading the oncoming backlash when Dan announces he’s dropped the veganism again in about a fortnight max. Despite him having been upfront about it only being temporary.

Dan should just keep his mouth shut when he 'goes vegan' for a few days tbh. I hate it when people announce their new dietary habits because it's ridiculous, and in the case of veganism he's just setting himself up for backlash or becoming bait for that FreeLee nutcase. I'm also forever disturbed by people caring about what other's put in their bodies, can't imagine feeling any type of way over someone eating a cookie or whatever. It's weird

lmao @ Dan being pissy about vegan stereotypes though because while those are usually pretty OTT, he's also friends with someone who literally compared the meat industry to the Holocaust once.

melon lord wrote:I just have a random tangent about the person called WonderfullyRachel who is always no1 on Younow, she has a Youtube channel and it's... like a poor man's danisnotonfire, down to a haru pillow, the video titles, she even has a video on how to get their attention? it's kind of creepy ngl

I see that Emma Blackery finding moderate success gave people ideas...

felucca · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:09 am

ahahahahaha i'm cackling!

so i was just watching dan's liveshow and he listed his fave dog breeds, pointing out he really loves small dogs

and i was reminded of phil saying times he thinks huskies is the best kind of dog and if he got a dog it would be a husky

and i felt a bit sorry for them, thinking wow, that's some epic difference in taste there - i guess it's going to be hard for them to find a good compromise, something that would appeal to both of them, something they could agree upon...

Too mushy in the head from staying up all night to talk about serious stuff but I hope everyone is alright and will keep on being alright - you will persevere. Try to go that extra mile for the people you know and love in the upcoming days and make your own little corner of the world that much better, it means the world.

fancybum · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:15 am

Catallena wrote: Dan should just keep his mouth shut when he 'goes vegan' for a few days tbh. I hate it when people announce their new dietary habits because it's ridiculous, and in the case of veganism he's just setting himself up for backlash or becoming bait for that FreeLee nutcase. I'm also forever disturbed by people caring about what other's put in their bodies, can't imagine feeling any type of way over someone eating a cookie or whatever. It's weird

You know what whatever, the world's a mess, hope is evaporating and this conversation isn't worth having. But are you disturbed by people caring about others wearing fur? I'm not talking semantics-old-passed-down items that have fur. Dan already owns a leather bag that he's used recently. Somebody earlier mentioned him buying leather clothes for fashion, but he stopped doing that his last vegan go-round. I'm talking new fur, fresh off the corpse and happily bought for nothing more than fashion. Can you at all understand somebody having an objection to the need for that? Just follow the basis of that train of thought along the line and apply it to food. The needlessness of it when alternatives exist. No need to be disturbed. Please do what you want, eat what you want, maybe Freelee-like people have made you roll your eyes one time too many that you want to dismiss the entire philosophy, but compassion really isn't anything to be disturbed by. I'm going to go back to being disturbed by the lack of it being demonstrated left and right lately (WELL MOSTLY RIGHT YOUGETME). What a shitshow the world is.

jesuisunèléve · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:16 am

Catallena wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote: I’m just awaiting/dreading the oncoming backlash when Dan announces he’s dropped the veganism again in about a fortnight max. Despite him having been upfront about it only being temporary.
Dan should just keep his mouth shut when he 'goes vegan' for a few days tbh. I hate it when people announce their new dietary habits because it's ridiculous, and in the case of veganism he's just setting himself up for backlash or becoming bait for that FreeLee nutcase. I'm also forever disturbed by people caring about what other's put in their bodies, can't imagine feeling any type of way over someone eating a cookie or whatever. It's weird

lmao @ Dan being pissy about vegan stereotypes though because while those are usually pretty OTT, he's also friends with someone who literally compared the meat industry to the Holocaust once.

melon lord wrote:I just have a random tangent about the person called WonderfullyRachel who is always no1 on Younow, she has a Youtube channel and it's... like a poor man's danisnotonfire, down to a haru pillow, the video titles, she even has a video on how to get their attention? it's kind of creepy ngl
I see that Emma Blackery finding moderate success gave people ideas...

I had to do a double-take: someone compared the meat industry to the Shoah? Are you kidding me?

jesuisunèléve · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:33 am

fancybum wrote:
Catallena wrote: Dan should just keep his mouth shut when he 'goes vegan' for a few days tbh. I hate it when people announce their new dietary habits because it's ridiculous, and in the case of veganism he's just setting himself up for backlash or becoming bait for that FreeLee nutcase. I'm also forever disturbed by people caring about what other's put in their bodies, can't imagine feeling any type of way over someone eating a cookie or whatever. It's weird
You know what whatever, the world's a mess, hope is evaporating and this conversation isn't worth having. But are you disturbed by people caring about others wearing fur? I'm not talking semantics-old-passed-down items that have fur. Dan already owns a leather bag that he's used recently. Somebody earlier mentioned him buying leather clothes for fashion, but he stopped doing that his last vegan go-round. I'm talking new fur, fresh off the corpse and happily bought for nothing more than fashion. Can you at all understand somebody having an objection to the need for that? Just follow the basis of that train of thought along the line and apply it to food. The needlessness of it when alternatives exist. No need to be disturbed. Please do what you want, eat what you want, maybe Freelee-like people have made you roll your eyes one time too many that you want to dismiss the entire philosophy, but compassion really isn't anything to be disturbed by. I'm going to go back to being disturbed by the lack of it being demonstrated left and right lately (WELL MOSTLY RIGHT YOUGETME). What a shitshow the world is.

Well, it's not just food, it's goods. Deps scours ebay and amazon for those cosplay items, and I wonder if they know/comprehend that their items are probably being made by a 13-year-old chained to a radiator who gets paid a penny a piece and doesn't get a meal break.

fancybum · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:05 am

jesuisunèléve wrote: Well, it's not just food, it's goods. Deps scours ebay and amazon for those cosplay items, and I wonder if they know/comprehend that their items are probably being made by a 13-year-old chained to a radiator who gets paid a penny a piece and doesn't get a meal break.

Meh, he didn't say he was going full vegan. Based on what he said, it sounds only dietary for the time being. Which is why I wish he would just say 'vegetarian' so the vegan police (meaning people who aren't even vegan and just want to feel superior pointing out the impossibility of doing 100% no harm and how that somehow means it's not worth trying at all if perfection is unattainable) would fuck off. Also Phil has shown no interest in veganism so implying some kind of hypocrisy on his part for... online shopping... as support of chaining children to radiators is an interesting (..?..) take on things. Yet vegans are the irrational ones. Hm.

jesuisunèléve · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:09 am

I didn't say vegans were irrational. I was doing a comparison of the moral implications of Dan "going" vegan and making an announcement of it.

In my experience, those who publically proclaim a lifestyle change are doing it for the wrong reasons: if you have to announce it, is the resulting dialogue going to maintain the change, or is this change from a personal standpoint?

fancybum · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:14 am

What are the moral implications of giving up meat for a week? That's all he said he's doing. Is an announcement really the word for casually mentioning something? Did he 'announce' that he enjoyed The Fall? Are there moral implications we should consider there?

jesuisunèléve wrote:I didn't say vegans were irrational. I was doing a comparison of the moral implications of Dan "going" vegan and making an announcement of it.

In my experience, those who publically proclaim a lifestyle change are doing it for the wrong reasons: if you have to announce it, is the resulting dialogue going to maintain the change, or is this change from a personal standpoint?

Could you explain what this means? It's been a long day and that's not computing.

Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:08 am

I don't think veganism needs to be that serious. Dan wants to challenge himself for a week because he feels it's a good route. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. If he sticks to it, good for him. This isn't a religious movement. I go sugar-free for weeks at a time, so? If he chooses to share that information with us, it's because he thinks we'll find it interesting (which we clearly have), not because he's trying to hypocritically force ideals upon us.

And as a very delayed comment on the anime vids, I really loved them. Dan's suggestion vid was everything I enjoy, because it felt like having a natural conversation with him and not wacky dinof. I have never watched a single episode of an anime in my life, but I sat through the whole thing because I stan Dan-pinions.

human · Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:25 am

Catallena wrote:Dan should just keep his mouth shut when he 'goes vegan' for a few days tbh. I hate it when people announce their new dietary habits because it's ridiculous, and in the case of veganism he's just setting himself up for backlash or becoming bait for that FreeLee nutcase. I'm also forever disturbed by people caring about what other's put in their bodies, can't imagine feeling any type of way over someone eating a cookie or whatever. It's weird

I... feel like I'm missing something because this is vastly hypocritical. You could just not watch his live show, which is optional off the cuff content he does partly so he can express his thoughts, feelings and opinions and also partly to update his audience about what he's doing. You watch them so presumably you want him to share everything else, but when it's what he eats then it's weird? Hmm ok then.

I don't know if he's ever discussed being vegan on his channel so nobody has been forced to listen to him talk about it. Let the poor boy talk about what he wants to on his own YouNow for christs sake. Honestly. I do get tired of the "let's bully Dan" mentality in the fandom, I don't find it even remotely funny.

In other news, were people guessing what the next gaming video might be or not? Don't mind me whilst I mourn the Pokémon Go series lol. Never will we see Dan's full cosplay, sob.

sia · Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:23 am

bluebox-away wrote:
jesuisunèléve wrote:I recall someone asking the question (somewhere) if Dan was "secretly Mexican". After I laughed my ass off I wonder how on earth could someone be secretly mexican? LOL
I mean the 'secretly Mexican' joke was mostly because of that one time Dan got ridiculously tanned on holiday, but he actually could technically be 'secretly' Mexican because one of his grandmas was adopted and they have no idea where she's from..

Edit: as if this was my 500th post such a useful contribution to the thread

uglyamerican · Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:19 am

I'm still processing the election results now that the hangover's over (both literally and figuratively.) I just popped in to say (@ 4:11AM) that I really enjoyed Dan's latest live show. Quite wide ranging and interesting - maybe Phil should abandon him more often

nephilimcat · Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:26 am

I find it quite stupid that a lot of people attack those who eat and/or live vegan. Little rant under the spoiler because it's a bit offtopic but I couldn't help it:

A lot of people who eat meat call vegans "hypocrites" because they still buy clothes made by children, while they themselves eat meat and buy clothes made by children. Nobody is perfect, but instead of doing nothing, you could at least do something!? But no, of course vegans have to be 100% eco tree-huggers (which is admirable, but you need a lot of willpower to manage that and 100% isn't even possible to achieve in this society) because otherwise they aren't doing it correctly. People just need to say "I'm vegan" and many meat eaters already start screaming "You evil person, don't try to convert me. Look at you in your H&M top, you aren't even perfect". Don't feel so attacked by the mere presence of someone who doesn't eat meat.

But vegetarians aren't much better, a lot of them say that vegans are too extreme. "Oh yeah, I don't eat meat because of the poor animals but unlike vegans, I'm still normal". Guess what, you are killing animals by drinking milk but okay. Get off your high horse.

And then there are the hardcore vegans. "You are not a real vegan", "You ate your grandma's non-vegan cake, hypocrite", "I don't care that you owned the shoes before you decided to live the vegan lifestyle, they are leather and you are disgusting for wearing them". Calm down, you won't convert anyone this way. Be more patient and don't complain about every little thing.

So yeah, everyone loves to attack vegans, even vegans themselves. Instead of always attacking people, we could try and support people who try to eat less meat/become vegetarian/live vegan/etc. If a meat lover decides to have one veggie day a week, I'll be proud of them. Everyone has to work on themselves because nobody is perfect. And even if it's just a day or just general reduction of meat, it's already helping. But blind bashing from all sides doesn't help anyone. And neither does dismissing the fact that meat causes a lot of problems.

I'm a vegetarian. Though I'd like to live vegan one day and already can't eat eggs or drink milk directly anymore, I still bake cake with animal products. Sometimes I'm angry with myself that I don't manage to live vegan, but I have to remind myself that I've been a vegetarian for 4 years now and that's already a big step in the right direction. And I "converted" two of my friends, not by telling them to, but simply by being a vegetarian and answering their questions. I didn't even expect them to stop eating meat. So just try to be a good example without acting like you're better than anyone else (because you aren't) and you might inspire people.

Back on topic: I'm proud of Dan for trying to eat vegan again. I don't believe he'll keep doing it, maybe he shouldn't go all in and just reduce the amount of meat he eats or have a veggie day a week. Since Phil actually liked that one vegan restaurant they went to, he might be up to that as well. That would be easier and already help a little. But the fact that Dan is obviously thinking about it, is already a great step in the right direction

Pandacheese · Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:55 pm

Hi I'm new here

I've been a fan since 2012 and am around Dan's age. I'm also a vegetarian but have many vegan days.
Re the above, I get a lot of flak about my eating habits from my family and friends. From some people I think they may feel guilty about their own habits that they project onto others. The reason I went vegetarian was due to watching a documentary about how animals are farned. I also get presented with well all of your clothes aren't ethical etc. Ulitmately to me I think you have to make the most informed choice you possibly can. Any way you can limit your impact on the planet is a good thing

thestigdrivesamini · Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:00 pm

I'm a vegetarian. Though I'd like to live vegan one day and already can't eat eggs or drink milk directly anymore, I still bake cake with animal products. Sometimes I'm angry with myself that I don't manage to live vegan, but I have to remind myself that I've been a vegetarian for 4 years now and that's already a big step in the right direction. And I "converted" two of my friends, not by telling them to, but simply by being a vegetarian and answering their questions. I didn't even expect them to stop eating meat. So just try to be a good example without acting like you're better than anyone else (because you aren't) and you might inspire people.

Back on topic: I'm proud of Dan for trying to eat vegan again. I don't believe he'll keep doing it, maybe he shouldn't go all in and just reduce the amount of meat he eats or have a veggie day a week. Since Phil actually liked that one vegan restaurant they went to, he might be up to that as well. That would be easier and already help a little. But the fact that Dan is obviously thinking about it, is already a great step in the right direction

Hey there! I'm also a vegetarian (9 years strong). I also waffles with veganism for years. What I find helps me is I try to do at least one vegan meal a day and reduce my dairy intake for th eogb r meals. I don't label myself a vegan, but it feels good to know that for at least one meal a day I'm sticking to a vegan diet! It sounds like a stupid tip, but I didn't think about it years!

Also, I agree that he shouldn't probably announce it just because now people will expect updates constantly

charlottekath · Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:20 pm

nephilimcat wrote:I find it quite stupid that a lot of people attack those who eat and/or live vegan. Little rant under the spoiler because it's a bit offtopic but I couldn't help it:

A lot of people who eat meat call vegans "hypocrites" because they still buy clothes made by children, while they themselves eat meat and buy clothes made by children. Nobody is perfect, but instead of doing nothing, you could at least do something!? But no, of course vegans have to be 100% eco tree-huggers (which is admirable, but you need a lot of willpower to manage that and 100% isn't even possible to achieve in this society) because otherwise they aren't doing it correctly. People just need to say "I'm vegan" and many meat eaters already start screaming "You evil person, don't try to convert me. Look at you in your H&M top, you aren't even perfect". Don't feel so attacked by the mere presence of someone who doesn't eat meat.

But vegetarians aren't much better, a lot of them say that vegans are too extreme. "Oh yeah, I don't eat meat because of the poor animals but unlike vegans, I'm still normal". Guess what, you are killing animals by drinking milk but okay. Get off your high horse.

And then there are the hardcore vegans. "You are not a real vegan", "You ate your grandma's non-vegan cake, hypocrite", "I don't care that you owned the shoes before you decided to live the vegan lifestyle, they are leather and you are disgusting for wearing them". Calm down, you won't convert anyone this way. Be more patient and don't complain about every little thing.

So yeah, everyone loves to attack vegans, even vegans themselves. Instead of always attacking people, we could try and support people who try to eat less meat/become vegetarian/live vegan/etc. If a meat lover decides to have one veggie day a week, I'll be proud of them. Everyone has to work on themselves because nobody is perfect. And even if it's just a day or just general reduction of meat, it's already helping. But blind bashing from all sides doesn't help anyone. And neither does dismissing the fact that meat causes a lot of problems.

I'm a vegetarian. Though I'd like to live vegan one day and already can't eat eggs or drink milk directly anymore, I still bake cake with animal products. Sometimes I'm angry with myself that I don't manage to live vegan, but I have to remind myself that I've been a vegetarian for 4 years now and that's already a big step in the right direction. And I "converted" two of my friends, not by telling them to, but simply by being a vegetarian and answering their questions. I didn't even expect them to stop eating meat. So just try to be a good example without acting like you're better than anyone else (because you aren't) and you might inspire people.
Back on topic: I'm proud of Dan for trying to eat vegan again. I don't believe he'll keep doing it, maybe he shouldn't go all in and just reduce the amount of meat he eats or have a veggie day a week. Since Phil actually liked that one vegan restaurant they went to, he might be up to that as well. That would be easier and already help a little. But the fact that Dan is obviously thinking about it, is already a great step in the right direction

Yes, exactly this - I 100% think this about anyone who even starts to consider veganism or make small changes. I've been vegan for 6 years but I'm aware that my ethical consumption is not perfect but I try my hardest, but its an absolute minefield and I don't think there is any way to always get it right from every axis. Unfortunately I think veganism is prone to self destruction when all people try to call one another out instead of thinking about the bigger picture, like we're all trying to do a good thing and rather than berate people starting to explore veganism, everyone should be encouraging them and spreading positivity

Hopefully as he lives in such a vegan friendly area this would make the transition a little easier I would 100% write him the most epic guide to vegan london/become personal chef if given opportunity (dream job right there )

mysterylovescompany · Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:25 pm

My goodness, all the vegans and vegetarians have come out of the waxworks. Have some cherries.

I couldn't care less about the vegan thing tbh. Eat what you want and it's none of other people's business. But I hope that people won't expect more from Dan than what he said in the ls. A week just means an experimental period, no obligation for further commitment. I agree that it'd probably be easier to start off with vegetarian than go straight to vegan though.

papierklemmen · Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:05 pm

I feel like I'm having a deja vu moment... Didn't he already have a vegan experimental week? I remember seeing the same comments about "starting off vegetarian would be easier" etc. What is the experiment this time then? Attempt numero 2?

I couldn't care less about his dietary habits to be honest, but I guess for some people it might be a big deal... or not. IDK.

I just want the Undertale week. I caught up on their Undertale videos and somehow the game grew on me despite finding it boring the first time. It's kinda cheesy, but they're selling it well.

majitzu · Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:11 pm

papierklemmen wrote:I feel like I'm having a deja vu moment... Didn't he already have a vegan experimental week? I remember seeing the same comments about "starting off vegetarian would be easier" etc. What is the experiment this time then? Attempt numero 2?

I couldn't care less about his dietary habits to be honest, but I guess for some people it might be a big deal... or not. IDK.

I just want the Undertale week. I caught up on their Undertale videos and somehow the game grew on me despite finding it boring the first time. It's kinda cheesy, but they're selling it well.

Last year he went vegan for 1 month.

Winston · Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:17 pm

Doesn't he just do it to lose weight? I thought that was his reasoning before. Like a crash diet of sorts. It kind of rubs me the wrong way and im not even vegan. If it was for ethical reasons and/or purely just health reasons it wouldn't, but just to lose a few lbs, and tell people that he's going vegan for a week...? I donno...maybe its just my bad mood/extra sensitive right now...

fancybum · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Lol it kind of rubs me the wrong way that your assumption as to his motives rubs you the wrong way. People can have lots of reasons for doing things. And with his 'it's inevitable' comment in the liveshow and 'clear moral integrity' line from the roast when mentioning veganism, I'd say his main motivating factor is his SJW tendencies. But whatever, he only committed to a week. We'll see.

flarequake · Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:22 pm

Winston wrote:Doesn't he just do it to lose weight? I thought that was his reasoning before. Like a crash diet of sorts. It kind of rubs me the wrong way and im not even vegan. If it was for ethical reasons and/or purely just health reasons it wouldn't, but just to lose a few lbs, and tell people that he's going vegan for a week...? I donno...maybe its just my bad mood/extra sensitive right now...

I don't think it was, but maybe to be generally healthier.