Dan & Phil Part 2: lol bye gg

karma_yeah · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:37 am

Lurktacularr wrote:Oh and while I'm being phan AF (when am I not) its cute how Phil seems to have filmed all those sketches. Back in like 2012 it seems Dan used a tripod (insert your own jokes about Phil's trouser snake and his own status as a tripod) but almost every shot was hand-held in this one. Notable mention to the one of Dan stroking Haru (anyone think that fringe-push to lip-stroke seemed a habitual gesture ) which was soooo shot by Phil straddling Dan's legs on the bed.

I had not thought of that. I'm getting ready to go to bed and now god only knows what dreams I'll have.

oqua wrote:akui wrote:
I woke up and saw 10 pages and I had a panic attack.

I just watched Dan's video and I'm watching Phil's liveshow while I'm typing.

Same, I woke up to ten new pages and panicked LOL.

At the same time, strangely afraid to go to sleep. I can't read for leisure at work and will come home tired with 10 pages to read. It's drown or drought. Guess I'll drown (goes to put swim suit on)

Aww thank you Oqua After these videos, looks like we won't need it after all!

ha ha jk

mysterylovescompany · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:39 am

apple wrote:Cc the "Dan posted on here rumor" I think the user in question was called moomin (?).
But I also remember ( maybe wrongly) that a moomin commented on Carrie hope fletchers forum in support of her ( one of the only ones in support of her) and she later admitted to commenting on her own Gigi forum. So it could have been her not dan

Yes, i know this post was a few pages ago; don't mind me.

[offtopic]First off, I love your 'crappy' avatar. [/offtopic]

I dont't know anything about rumours of Dan posting on either Gigi or here, but I think it's unlikely. He'd be too smart to get caught ... I think ...

Art · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:41 am

oqua wrote:It's him BEING out on his main channel. I don't see it as a dramatic coming out, nor do I see it as leading up to a dramatic coming out. It's just him being himself.

THIS. I was thinking this but couldn't quite put it into words. That's what I loved so much about those moments and comments. It wasn't a big deal. If you had never watched his videos before you wouldn't have batted an eye at it because it was just natural and him being him. And it filled me with warm proud parent feelings.

(I'm aware that the convo has moved on a little but ya'll are posting so damn FAST lol and I just wanted to publicly agree with this)

jaej · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:42 am

eh, preferences can change regularly. i always like more than one gender, but sometimes i'll go through a phase of being way more attracted to girls, or just feminine features. as well as that, if he was coming out as bi it makes more sense to go heavy on the male attraction hints. it's going to be almost 100% accepted if he shows that he likes women, but not so much if he shows he likes men. it's kind of a reassurance that he shouldn't have heteronormative ideals forced onto him, i suppose? i see it kind of like the was that bi girls/nb people on tumblr tend to highlight their attraction to women more, because that's the aspect they're looked down on for and the aspect they want to show pride in. it's the attraction that's going to be ignored first so you introduce the 'not straight' angle before the specifics. idk trainwreck post its late

esso · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:45 am

Overall I think Dan and Phil have pretty good taste in anime! A solid 9/10. I'll bullet my overall thoughts below.

- I said this on the main thread, but Parasyte is 100% Phil's taste and I love that they watch it. It really reminds me of old-school Phil.
- I hate Sword Art Online because of the excessive romance that occurs midway into the series. It was nice that Dan was aware of this and mentioned it.
- Dan said Haikyuu really made him want to actually do team sports. This is a really good comment because out of all the sports anime I've watched (which is quite a lot

). Haikyuu has some of the best depictions of team sportsmanship and I want it to have more recognition. It's great that Dan and Phil like it.
- I know Dan and Phil have mentioned Evangelion before in previous live shows and I love that he mentioned it again. It's definitely a cult classic and one of my personal favorites.
- Other things I agree on Dan's recs are: Stein;s Gate, Cowboy Bepop, Kuroshitsuji, Erased, Ouran, Death Note, and FMA
- I wonder why he didn't mention some old school shounen anime like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, or even DBZ. maybe those are too well known or too long?

- And just about the video itself, I am cringing at Dan's pronunciations and portrayal of Japanese fan culture, but it lines up with a "tumblr-depiction" of Japanese fan culture, so I'll just let it slide

Hope I'm replying to everything the correct way and thanks for welcoming me!

daphenaxa · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:49 am

oqua wrote:
daphenaxa wrote:it took me some time to come back to life after my death over that #Daru thumbnail and sketch.

Loved loved LOVED the DINI video, he was so into it, passionate and cute. Amazing. (plus the "Phil stamp of approval" had me awww, i had to take a moment between this and the cute boys in speedos)

Liked the DINOF video. Thank god for the come-back of sketches and like I said the Haru and the "abs and angst" literally killed me. Amazing! Dan in that Youtube varsity jacket also killed me Can't say i am super interested in anime or anime culture so I didn't adore the video like some of you, but it was nice.

Really though, it was him coming out on his main channel right?
DARU5EVA
It's him BEING out on his main channel. I don't see it as a dramatic coming out, nor do I see it as leading up to a dramatic coming out. It's just him being himself.

yeah you are completely right!!! i don't think it's leading to something dramatic either. I am so happy for him tho

ok this is the best thing ever (but we are not really gonna be able to use it anymore to mean something they hide

)

daichii · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:53 am

daphenaxa wrote:
oqua wrote:
daphenaxa wrote:it took me some time to come back to life after my death over that #Daru thumbnail and sketch.

Loved loved LOVED the DINI video, he was so into it, passionate and cute. Amazing. (plus the "Phil stamp of approval" had me awww, i had to take a moment between this and the cute boys in speedos)

Liked the DINOF video. Thank god for the come-back of sketches and like I said the Haru and the "abs and angst" literally killed me. Amazing! Dan in that Youtube varsity jacket also killed me Can't say i am super interested in anime or anime culture so I didn't adore the video like some of you, but it was nice.

Really though, it was him coming out on his main channel right?
DARU5EVA
It's him BEING out on his main channel. I don't see it as a dramatic coming out, nor do I see it as leading up to a dramatic coming out. It's just him being himself.
yeah you are completely right!!! i don't think it's leading to something dramatic either. I am so happy for him tho

ok this is the best thing ever (but we are not really gonna be able to use it anymore to mean something they hide )

He might keep ignoring him in the liveshows, I hope not but knowing Dan...

edit: just catching up with Phil's ls and I am not really happy about the "too tired to film dapg" mention. I completely understand but this makes me think that they haven't really prepared vids for the tour and I hope I'm wrong. Might be they wanted to continue undertale and were too tired for that, still not a pleasant thought as that's what I'm looking forward to the most and seeing they have not prepared vids for it makes me quite sad.

I'm extremely excited about vids/liveshows from hotels/tour bus though. I had considered the liveshows but stupid me had not thought they might be willing to make vids while touring (esp Phil as he gets travel sick) since they didn't really do so during the UK tour (just Dan's going deep vid) so hearing that Philis considering it is great!

This ls had a lot more "we" mentions than any ls I can think of... really nice.

karma_yeah · Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:55 am

daphenaxa wrote:yeah you are completely right!!! i don't think it's leading to something dramatic either. I am so happy for him tho

ok this is the best thing ever (but we are not really gonna be able to use it anymore to mean something they hide )

I'm with you! I don't want some dramatic coming out, I just want them to be happy (together) and be themselves.

Oh, and don't worry, I'm sure that pillow will come in handy. Old habits die hard.

Anonymousse · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:02 am

fancybum wrote:trashqueen:

Diyes_Celine wrote: and the Haru pillow!!! I still want to know why out of all the Free! characters he chose Haru? Do he cuddle with the Haru pillow or the guy who looks like Haru.

edit: trashqueen said everything I was thinking but didn't want to get into (I'm just too tired today and want to stay happy from the videoSs) but just a friendly reminder:

bisexuality does not = 50% male attraction + 50% female attraction.

k

This this this this this so much this.

I get kind of oddly defensive when someone is like "No he probably has figured out he is gay" because I'm here like, "umm, that erases the validity on his past relationships" which I hate. (insert an emote of an emote on fire).

Like when I give examples of hot characters in... shows? and when people analyze the way (note: I wrote that as gay like 3 times)that I dress.. People often would be able to assume I'm 100% one way.

Maybe Dan is just Philsexual? or Harusexual? Do we have any proof of otherwise?

trashqueen · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:15 am

daichii wrote: This ls had a lot more "we" mentions than any ls I can think of... really nice.

haven't watched the ls yet, but dan (aside from the 20 phil mentions) also said 'buy them like WE have' when talking about not watching anime illegally
not that we have any doubts about them co owning most of the stuff on their house but it's nice to hear anyway

jaej wrote:eh, preferences can change regularly. i always like more than one gender, but sometimes i'll go through a phase of being way more attracted to girls, or just feminine features. as well as that, if he was coming out as bi it makes more sense to go heavy on the male attraction hints. it's going to be almost 100% accepted if he shows that he likes women, but not so much if he shows he likes men. it's kind of a reassurance that he shouldn't have heteronormative ideals forced onto him, i suppose? i see it kind of like the was that bi girls/nb people on tumblr tend to highlight their attraction to women more, because that's the aspect they're looked down on for and the aspect they want to show pride in. it's the attraction that's going to be ignored first so you introduce the 'not straight' angle before the specifics. idk trainwreck post its late

add that to the other reasons i listed earlier

karma_yeah · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:18 am

Anonymousse wrote:Maybe Dan is just Philsexual? or Harusexual? Do we have any proof of otherwise?

Yes Anonymousse "Philsexual"! I was looking for the right word but am too tired to think. Taking my and going to bed now. 'night all!

blueapple_x · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:20 am

Kinda OT but not really:
Whenever D or P (mostly Dan) drop hints about sexuality, I always wonder if any of D+P's friends/peers are boldface enough to outright ask them about their sexualities/whether or not they're in a relationship. Like, I'm pretty sure their closest friends (like wirrow and bryony) know the truth but I still wonder how the exchange went down if any happened at all. And I wonder if Dan in particular acts open like that around friends like Cat or Louise.

Was that whole Louise thing about "nobody knows if they're together" confirmed to be fake? I feel like I vaguely remember her saying that it never happened and it was just made up.

And after Joey and Ingrid's coming out vids (they revealed Cat was the first person they told), it made me wonder if D+P would also trust Cat. I remember at one particular YT meetup she tweeted that Dan was her only straight male friend who she could ask for fashion advice or something along those lines lol. I don't know why she felt the need to include 'straight'...was his sexuality being questioned harshly at the time bc of something he did/said (more than usual I mean)? Did Dan confide in her about it being annoying that people question his sexuality and she failed tried to remedy the situation? I'm so curious whether she had a hidden agenda by tweeting that. Because regardless if she was trying to cover for them or she thought it would be a funny tweet, to me it seemed reckless.

So many questions.

I remember when Cat admitted she shipped phan in the comments of a youtube vid of hers lol

majitzu · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:29 am

Daru

Also, Phil was filming the Haru part

This boys are going to kill me back to study u.u

pixlexia · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:30 am

Totally off topic but these Dan and Phil twitter IT bots:

The Phil one is so legit it kills me
"I want to eat my entire body weight in sushi so no live show today!" amazing

boredtears · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:35 am

I start losing interest in d&p and stop checking IDB for once and THIS happens. DAN I am on the floor.

So I usually don't weigh in on sexuality discussion but here goes...
Re bisexuality v pansexuality - I tend to favour the bi definition of "attraction to same and different genders" (it's not necessarily just cis males/female, and I feel like its transphobic and biphobic to reduce bisexuality to this tbh) in other words, someone is attracted to different people of different genders, but not necessarily "all genders", it really depends. Pansexuality basically meaning potentially being attracted to anyone, whether male/female/nonbinary/etc., gender doesn't factor into it at all

Like people have stated before me, bisexuality isn't exactly 50% liking dudes 50% women. It just doesn't really work like that. Some people have a clear preference, and are aware of that preference, but are still bi. For some other people (like me hey), they'll go through phases where they might find themselves attracted to one particular gender more often than the other, sometimes due to circumstances/people you're meeting/celebrities/or you're just wired that way I guess.

With Dan, he has fairly recently made completely unambiguously bi comments (the Claire Danes/Leo comments etc.). He has also started making a LOT more male attraction comments, the culmination of which being this video . Again, the type of anime he has always promoted on live shows often has a lot of guy eye-candy - Western shows tend not to offer that as much? More like constant sexual objectification of women rip - and like others have said, he's a feminist, he prefers not to use objectifying language as much with women as it could be/could be construed as problematic, most of his hardcore fan base is young, teenage and female and he is very aware of that.

He's also become a lot more comfortable with male attraction mentions the last few years, and now that he's started, seems to want to continue and get the message across past allll the heteronormativity.

IDK it's just that his main channel content has always had unambiguous female attraction mentions, and that led to the camps of he's straight!!! vs. ....no he just said he's not gay so he's probably bi, and now that he took the plunge and made a vid with unambiguous male attraction mentions, there's suddenly a lot of he's actually gay and just realised!!!! vs. ....no he's still probably bi.

So I'm sticking with the bi opinion unless the female mentions completely disappear/word of god from Dan himself. Otherwise I'd feel like I was erasing his identity. This wasn't meant to be an attack on anyone here btw (except maybe the I can't marry him if he's not straight person lmao)

manged · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:48 am

blueapple_x wrote: And after Joey and Ingrid's coming out vids (they revealed Cat was the first person they told), it made me wonder if D+P would also trust Cat. I remember at one particular YT meetup she tweeted that Dan was her only straight male friend who she could ask for fashion advice or something along those lines lol. I don't know why she felt the need to include 'straight'...was his sexuality being questioned harshly at the time bc of something he did/said (more than usual I mean)? Did Dan confide in her about it being annoying that people question his sexuality and she failed tried to remedy the situation? I'm so curious whether she had a hidden agenda by tweeting that. Because regardless if she was trying to cover for them or she thought it would be a funny tweet, to me it seemed reckless.

Going at lengths to cover up her friends' secret relationships and closeted sexualities is like a pastime for Cat. I know I say it every time, but y'all who truly want more insight into how Cat plays into Phan need to research her friendship with closeted Joey. However, I don't think she was ever bold enough to call Joey "straight" (lbr who woulda believed her

???) so, that, too, throws me off.

Archivist, help a brotha out, but did she call him straight around the same time a lot of Deppo's friends were tossing around Phan denials? If so, then I can see her adding "straight" thinking it would help protect them, in the same way their own no-homos were a form of protection as well.

esso · Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:54 am

Something that has always confused me is the frequent analysis of female/male mentions and the D&P attraction thread on the old site.

As someone who leans more towards the asexual spectrum (and heteroromantic), I mention a lot of attraction to men and women in a way Dan does. Prime example is that I mention attraction to Lorde on a frequent basis, but I wouldn't say that attraction mention would be a good way to judge my sexuality.

I know that we evaulate Dan and Phil over a progression of their mentions and a wide variety of contexts, so it's not the same situation as mine. However, I still take female/male mentions with a grain of salt in regards to their sexuality.

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greatnessflicker · Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:06 am

I constantly wonder who knows about D&P (assuming they are together). I remember Evan tweeting about how youtubers speculate as much as the fans do, but we know that he and his circle isn't at all very close with them. Either way, it has to be a very small group of people, right? they wouldn't risk letting that many people outside their families know.

And just as far as sexuality goes, I'm surprised (but happy) nobody from their past (other than Charlie, right?) has really said anything. There has to be a few people out there that could claim something or another but are keeping it to themselves.

Anyways, thats all very poor speculation in attempt to justify directing our attention to what will hopefully turn out to be a very good resource:

I'm surprised they beat us to it.

mamaphan · Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:23 am

Art wrote:
oqua wrote:It's him BEING out on his main channel. I don't see it as a dramatic coming out, nor do I see it as leading up to a dramatic coming out. It's just him being himself.

THIS. I was thinking this but couldn't quite put it into words. That's what I loved so much about those moments and comments. It wasn't a big deal. If you had never watched his videos before you wouldn't have batted an eye at it because it was just natural and him being him. And it filled me with warm proud parent feelings.

(I'm aware that the convo has moved on a little but ya'll are posting so damn FAST lol and I just wanted to publicly agree with this)

This 100% I am a big fan of Anime and just listening to Dan be passionate about something and wanting to share with us was so great. I'm just happy and proud of him to say what he wanted and not censor himself.

I dont know how to jump into the conversation about he is bi or not. I get that some people want to have representation, but for me I dont need someone to label themselves and its so hard for people these days because they feel they have to put a definition on who they are as sexual beings but maybe because I am older I dont see the need. There is so much more to each of us than who we are attracted to.

My wish is that one day there is no labels and no assumptions, that we are all just beautiful humans with different ways of thinking and feeling, emotionally and sexually with out judgment.

I am so proud of Dan and like most everyone said I really enjoyed these videos and the fact that he put up a 12 min DINI video was such a wonderful surprise and goes to show Dan still has it in him to make great videos and I am excited to see what Dan and Phil do in the future they are constantly surprising me.

The book was great all the work and effort they put into it, it was all them. TATINOF I'm sure is amazing because my friends have gone and they loved it. They are producing it and doing so much work on their own.
I loved SAP, I loved the radio show, They keep proving to me that they are in their element as creators and entertainers.

Sorry long post I will just see myself out

Love and Hugs to you all

Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:29 am

Mama_Phan wrote:I dont know how to jump into the conversation about he is bi or not. I get that some people want to have representation, but for me I dont need someone to label themselves and its so hard for people these days because they feel they have to put a definition on who they are as sexual beings but maybe because I am older I dont see the need. There is so much more to each of us than who we are attracted to.

I really, really love this sentiment and how you worded it.

palpable · Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:47 am

I absolutely loved the video! Im not even into anime but he really managed to entertain me for the duration of the video.

Even though it was a spon, I felt like he was passionate about the subject. You can really feel when he is into making a video and when it is just a chore. Also the side channel video?? Like...yes, please! !!
Get off your perfection horse (hehehee) and produce some content you're into!

About sexuality: (that topic. ..again

)

I for my part think that, although there are certain language and behavioral codes within the gay community, getting ~vibes~ from someone is based on gendernormative notions of how people are supposed to perform their gender. I do think its harmful because sexuality is not hinged on outward appearances and behavior, those are cultural.

Caring about fashion =/= gay
Certain Body language =/= gay
Straightening your hair =/=gay

I really cannot stand when people bring this argument up. "I showed dan to my parents and they totally said hes were gay hahah"
Ugh...riles me up. (Just a bonus because I remember on *the website that shall not be named* people brought up that argument a few times and ...no)

Being gay is being attracted to the same gender and not having a certain hairstyle or style of clothing.

As for Dan: he said he is not gay many times and said that Hes bisexual. So... I guess? There we have it. Already "out".

Also bisexual means that I can still marry him.
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JK i have a boyfriend.

Cora · Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:48 am

Mama_Phan wrote:
I dont know how to jump into the conversation about he is bi or not. I get that some people want to have representation, but for me I dont need someone to label themselves and its so hard for people these days because they feel they have to put a definition on who they are as sexual beings but maybe because I am older I dont see the need. There is so much more to each of us than who we are attracted to.

My wish is that one day there is no labels and no assumptions, that we are all just beautiful humans with different ways of thinking and feeling, emotionally and sexually with out judgment.

I totally 120% agree. Back in the day, we just wanted people to acknowledge that there was more than gay or straight, male or female.
But it seems like nowadays, people almost obsess over that perfect label identifying their very exact identity and it's like, 20 words long. It's OK, be you. Be happy with you.

Now let's get back to obsessing over D&P's shelves and fringes and mispronunciations of foreign languages

Rigby · Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:58 am

As soon as I saw the thumbnail on the video I knew I would have to read through a thousand new pages lol. I don't watch anime (I've only read the Cardcaptor Sakura manga and I also watched the anime and the movie but not much more than that) and I still really enjoyed the video. Some of Dan's suggestions in the DINI video really caught my attention too, so I think I'm going to watch those!
I loved seeing the return of the sketches (and the YT letterman jacket!) but there's something about them that seemed weird and different to me and I can't put my finger on it.

felucca · Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 am

manged wrote:Going at lengths to cover up her friends' secret relationships and closeted sexualities is like a pastime for Cat. I know I say it every time, but y'all who truly want more insight into how Cat plays into Phan need to research her friendship with closeted Joey. However, I don't think she was ever bold enough to call Joey "straight" (lbr who woulda believed her ???) so, that, too, throws me off.

Archivist, help a brotha out, but did she call him straight around the same time a lot of Deppo's friends were tossing around Phan denials? If so, then I can see her adding "straight" thinking it would help protect them, in the same way their own no-homos were a form of protection as well.

Nah mate, she was kinda late to the party, May 2013.

Just casually two days AFTER Dan uttered his last ever gay denial and started dropping male mentions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

blueapple_x · Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:07 am

felucca wrote:
manged wrote:Going at lengths to cover up her friends' secret relationships and closeted sexualities is like a pastime for Cat. I know I say it every time, but y'all who truly want more insight into how Cat plays into Phan need to research her friendship with closeted Joey. However, I don't think she was ever bold enough to call Joey "straight" (lbr who woulda believed her ???) so, that, too, throws me off.

Archivist, help a brotha out, but did she call him straight around the same time a lot of Deppo's friends were tossing around Phan denials? If so, then I can see her adding "straight" thinking it would help protect them, in the same way their own no-homos were a form of protection as well.
Nah mate, she was kinda late to the party, May 2013.

Just casually two days AFTER Dan uttered his last ever gay denial and started dropping male mentions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Interesting...All in one go? Like he said he wasn't gay but also started mentioning guys being attractive? Or when you say "dropping male mentions" do you mean he stopped commenting on guys being attractive? Lol. I'm guessing you meant the first way.