Dan & Phil part 32...and what a thicc thread it was
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This is one of the things that has confused me for a while. Most people seem to think that Dan was shorter initially, and it's reasonable to think an 18-year-old boy hadn't reached his full height (I got taller after 18, and I'm a girl!). And Dan certainly has filled out in a lot of ways before our eyes.IckleMissMayhem wrote: He was the smol one in '09. you know.. before they were both 6'2!!
However, there is counterproof to this belief, which I encountered on Phantaray's Tumblr (which I read almost all of before I came here and read almost all of IDB ). See the picture at this link, from Halloween 2009, where the height difference looks about what it is today:
http://phantaray.tumblr.com/post/743905 ... n-2009-you
I'd love it if any old-timers/archivers could weigh in on this!
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To my knowledge Dan has always been taller than Phil, but Phil also hunches quite badly and Dan has annoyingly good posture, so if Phil stood up straight like Dan, they may be on equal ground.LeftHandedism wrote:This is one of the things that has confused me for a while. Most people seem to think that Dan was shorter initially, and it's reasonable to think an 18-year-old boy hadn't reached his full height (I got taller after 18, and I'm a girl!). And Dan certainly has filled out in a lot of ways before our eyes.IckleMissMayhem wrote: He was the smol one in '09. you know.. before they were both 6'2!!
However, there is counterproof to this belief, which I encountered on Phantaray's Tumblr (which I read almost all of before I came here and read almost all of IDB ). See the picture at this link, from Halloween 2009, where the height difference looks about what it is today:
http://phantaray.tumblr.com/post/743905 ... n-2009-you
I'd love it if any old-timers/archivers could weigh in on this!
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Fast and furious festive surprise gaming with deps every single day until Christmas? Count. Me. In.
There was a bit of talk around here earlier in the year about these two and whether or not they’re pushing themselves or realizing their potential as youtubers. While back then, I was team but-they-wrote-organized-performed-and-toured-a-live-SHOW-on-three-continents, now that I’ve branched out a bit and watched a few other youtubers’ videos, I get the critique. But now we have Gamingmas. This is more than just a fun celebration of deppy bants for all of us to close out the year (though it is very much that). It’s them setting a goal for themselves, challenging themselves, saying to each other, “you and me, kid, we’re gonna make this happen.” And if the tenderness they’ve let shine through more and more in recent videos wasn’t enough to render my insides into something resembling fondant au chocolat, seeing them continue to motivate and challenge each other like this certainly is.
As I’ve taken up residence in the landfill galaxy, I couldn’t resist posting without adding some trashy thoughts, so here they are.
Millionaire
I’m assuming this is their way of promoting the new merch because they are absolute dolls in this. Not much else to say except “Daniel and Philip Howell-Lester” has a nice ring to it. I mean, it just rolls off the tongue (I end up pronouncing it like “How’lester”). Just an observation. Hm
I like seeing confidence shine through in Dan, like when he talks about Greek mythology and geography, even his own intuition. I know his brand is “lolimmafail” but perhaps he’s letting it evolve into something more suitable for a successful mid-twenties professional performer and creator who’s only getting started in his career and has one of the strongest collaborative partnerships in his field. This is not to say you can’t feel like a fail, but we all know there’s a calm and confident guy who puts a lot of thought and effort into his work in there. He can still be humble and kind while letting that guy out to play a bit more, which it seems he’s realizing these days.
I’ll skip the moments since honestly there are so many but shout outs to “child?” and Dan’s soft lil “bro” head butt.
Yandere Simulator
I’m still in shock (or “shook,” as the kids say) that they actually took this one on. Part of me was like “nooo, my little puppies don’t need to see this.” But the other part was like “how yandere can they get and do I actually want to know?” (Not) surprisingly, Dan wanted to take the path of friendship and impressing senpai with your skills (ahem) while Phil was all “let’s join occult club and put a spell on him” and “quick, she’s seen you…stab her.” I also love me some nostalgia!Phil, and he seems to be appearing quite often lately (I feel yah, Philly, with that big 3-0 just around the corner).
Should/will they continue? (spoilery part)
And, last but not least, moments:
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There was a bit of talk around here earlier in the year about these two and whether or not they’re pushing themselves or realizing their potential as youtubers. While back then, I was team but-they-wrote-organized-performed-and-toured-a-live-SHOW-on-three-continents, now that I’ve branched out a bit and watched a few other youtubers’ videos, I get the critique. But now we have Gamingmas. This is more than just a fun celebration of deppy bants for all of us to close out the year (though it is very much that). It’s them setting a goal for themselves, challenging themselves, saying to each other, “you and me, kid, we’re gonna make this happen.” And if the tenderness they’ve let shine through more and more in recent videos wasn’t enough to render my insides into something resembling fondant au chocolat, seeing them continue to motivate and challenge each other like this certainly is.
As I’ve taken up residence in the landfill galaxy, I couldn’t resist posting without adding some trashy thoughts, so here they are.
Millionaire
I’m assuming this is their way of promoting the new merch because they are absolute dolls in this. Not much else to say except “Daniel and Philip Howell-Lester” has a nice ring to it. I mean, it just rolls off the tongue (I end up pronouncing it like “How’lester”). Just an observation. Hm
I like seeing confidence shine through in Dan, like when he talks about Greek mythology and geography, even his own intuition. I know his brand is “lolimmafail” but perhaps he’s letting it evolve into something more suitable for a successful mid-twenties professional performer and creator who’s only getting started in his career and has one of the strongest collaborative partnerships in his field. This is not to say you can’t feel like a fail, but we all know there’s a calm and confident guy who puts a lot of thought and effort into his work in there. He can still be humble and kind while letting that guy out to play a bit more, which it seems he’s realizing these days.
I’ll skip the moments since honestly there are so many but shout outs to “child?” and Dan’s soft lil “bro” head butt.
Yandere Simulator
I’m still in shock (or “shook,” as the kids say) that they actually took this one on. Part of me was like “nooo, my little puppies don’t need to see this.” But the other part was like “how yandere can they get and do I actually want to know?” (Not) surprisingly, Dan wanted to take the path of friendship and impressing senpai with your skills (ahem) while Phil was all “let’s join occult club and put a spell on him” and “quick, she’s seen you…stab her.” I also love me some nostalgia!Phil, and he seems to be appearing quite often lately (I feel yah, Philly, with that big 3-0 just around the corner).
Should/will they continue? (spoilery part)
melon lord wrote: To my knowledge Dan has always been taller than Phil, but Phil also hunches quite badly and Dan has annoyingly good posture, so if Phil stood up straight like Dan, they may be on equal ground.
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melon lord wrote: To my knowledge Dan has always been taller than Phil, but Phil also hunches quite badly and Dan has annoyingly good posture, so if Phil stood up straight like Dan, they may be on equal ground.
But who the fuck am I kidding? I'm mostly just the rotting banana peel at the bottom of the phan trash can who genuinely gets excited over the thought of them snuggling in bed. Idgaf let a bitch live
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Sometimes I'm not sure eitherIckleMissMayhem wrote:melon lord wrote: To my knowledge Dan has always been taller than Phil, but Phil also hunches quite badly and Dan has annoyingly good posture, so if Phil stood up straight like Dan, they may be on equal ground.
I'm not sure where the reaction image is for, though. Genuinely confused, was it for Dan's good posture?
Okay. Sensible ish time... Watch the gaming documentary, and/or the tour fic or any DITL. They both have HORRENDOUS posture.
And Dan was shorter than Phil up until about 2010-11 ish, then was noticeably taller than him, til nowadays when they are both magically 6'2. Must have a similar tape measure to Mary Poppins.
And Dan was shorter than Phil up until about 2010-11 ish, then was noticeably taller than him, til nowadays when they are both magically 6'2. Must have a similar tape measure to Mary Poppins.
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I'm more inclined to agree with you than disagree; I just think Dan's a bit of a walking contradiction at times and something about that rubs me the wrong way when he has a large audience. (But then maybe I should let him live? ) It's easiest to describe how I feel with a cliché phrase: "don't tar everyone with the same brush." I tend to try and be accepting as possible (definitely not as simple as it sounds, and I promise I'm not bragging, lol, but if you take it like that then that's fine!) and if Dan wants to follow a similar path, which I believe he does, I just feel casual statements catering to the "hating-on-Tumblr-stereotypes" crowd (as some YTers have done in the past, like Pewds for example) isn't the best way to go about this end goal (and I only took the Tumblr comment as a negative generalisation as this tends to be what Tumblr-loathing Internet users define as the audience of Tumblr. I certainly don't personally believe unusual personal expression to be negative!)spaceguitar wrote:I find this interesting. I personally did not feel put off by Dan's comments, maybe b/c I know that he kind of feels like a loner? I feel like he definitely has his share of social anxiety. Idk, for that reason it seemed like a pretty innocuous judgement to me. Also I found the hair color being attributed to tumblr funny. Its not really a negative generalization, is it?koalaselfie wrote:
Sorry if this isn't as articulate as I hoped
And apologies for interrupting the height discussion ~revived
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They both have the most God-awful posture I have ever seen. Dan couldn't stand up straight if there was a board taped to his back and Phil's neck is like at a 45 degree angle from his shoulders. Watching Dan walk (especially Dan) makes my spine ache. Doesn't help that he waddles to begin with.IckleMissMayhem wrote:melon lord wrote: To my knowledge Dan has always been taller than Phil, but Phil also hunches quite badly and Dan has annoyingly good posture, so if Phil stood up straight like Dan, they may be on equal ground.
Don't get me wrong, love the boy but he needs a chiropractor with oodles of patience to get him standing straight.
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Dan gained like two inches of torso in 2011-ish.IckleMissMayhem wrote:Okay. Sensible ish time... Watch the gaming documentary, and/or the tour fic or any DITL. They both have HORRENDOUS posture.
And Dan was shorter than Phil up until about 2010-11 ish, then was noticeably taller than him, til nowadays when they are both magically 6'2. Must have a similar tape measure to Mary Poppins.
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Are there pictures that demonstrate this change? I find the photo I posted the link to earlier (also in dollicious's avatar!) fairly convincing that Dan was taller than Phil in 2009.jesuisunèléve wrote:Dan gained like two inches of torso in 2011-ish.IckleMissMayhem wrote:Okay. Sensible ish time... Watch the gaming documentary, and/or the tour fic or any DITL. They both have HORRENDOUS posture.
And Dan was shorter than Phil up until about 2010-11 ish, then was noticeably taller than him, til nowadays when they are both magically 6'2. Must have a similar tape measure to Mary Poppins.
I agree though with how hard it is to tell anything without getting distracted by both of their horrendous postures!
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A defense of Yandere Simulator:
I've been following the development of this for a long time now. Yeah, it's not a real game yet and the most important features (aka the weekly rivals) aren't even implemented.
s Video does not really do justice to the actual game. You can do so much than driving against walls in a town and then try to run very fast.
Dan and Phil playing Yandere Simulator would be entertaining if the did research about it though. There is no way to get a "tutorial" on how you're supposed to play it within the game, so it's logical that this videos wasn't a real representation of that
A defense of Yandere Simulator:
I've been following the development of this for a long time now. Yeah, it's not a real game yet and the most important features (aka the weekly rivals) aren't even implemented.
s Video does not really do justice to the actual game. You can do so much than driving against walls in a town and then try to run very fast.
Dan and Phil playing Yandere Simulator would be entertaining if the did research about it though. There is no way to get a "tutorial" on how you're supposed to play it within the game, so it's logical that this videos wasn't a real representation of that
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For example this gif (my favourite gif)LeftHandedism wrote: Are there pictures that demonstrate this change? I find the photo I posted the link to earlier (also in dollicious's avatar!) fairly convincing that Dan was taller than Phil in 2009.
But who the fuck am I kidding? I'm mostly just the rotting banana peel at the bottom of the phan trash can who genuinely gets excited over the thought of them snuggling in bed. Idgaf let a bitch live
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Huh, I think I'm getting posture confused with the shape of his back/shoulders, then! (soz english not first language, etc etc) sorry if I made a mistake!jesuisunèléve wrote: They both have the most God-awful posture I have ever seen. Dan couldn't stand up straight if there was a board taped to his back and Phil's neck is like at a 45 degree angle from his shoulders. Watching Dan walk (especially Dan) makes my spine ache. Doesn't help that he waddles to begin with.
Don't get me wrong, love the boy but he needs a chiropractor with oodles of patience to get him standing straight.
Because Dan seems like he keeps his shoulders pretty straight? Whereas Phil's shoulders seem more curved/hunched over, that's what I mean.
Oooh, can you share it here? That sound interesting.fancybum wrote:It's a cute tweet to like but I'm cringing at people overreacting to some kind of hidden meaning in it. ~2 inches in height difference does not a backpack make. Personally I'm enjoying his like of the drawing of him & Dan cozy under Dan's blanket together way more.
As a Phan Elder: Dan used to be about 5 centimeters shorter than Phil, when Phil would actually stand straight. Then I think Dan hit a last growth spurt and combined with Phil's S shaped spine and his penchant for wearing platform shoes it looks like Dan is significantly taller than him when, in fact, I'd estimate their height difference to be about 2-3cm when Phil stands up straight.LeftHandedism wrote:This is one of the things that has confused me for a while. Most people seem to think that Dan was shorter initially, and it's reasonable to think an 18-year-old boy hadn't reached his full height (I got taller after 18, and I'm a girl!). And Dan certainly has filled out in a lot of ways before our eyes.IckleMissMayhem wrote: He was the smol one in '09. you know.. before they were both 6'2!!
However, there is counterproof to this belief, which I encountered on Phantaray's Tumblr (which I read almost all of before I came here and read almost all of IDB ). See the picture at this link, from Halloween 2009, where the height difference looks about what it is today:
http://phantaray.tumblr.com/post/743905 ... n-2009-you
I'd love it if any old-timers/archivers could weigh in on this!
Some tweets:
I wonder if Dan got that Ribena #spon and what the what is going on with Phil's amazon purchases...new kitten? kitten play?
sentinel this is the tweet probably, more platonic than it sounds:
I wonder if Dan got that Ribena #spon and what the what is going on with Phil's amazon purchases...new kitten? kitten play?
sentinel this is the tweet probably, more platonic than it sounds:
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Hi! Just wanted to comment on height issue before going back to lurkdom. I'm pretty sure that Dan said in is formspring answers that phil and stephen are both taller than him.
Well, I would lie if I said I'm not disappointed lmao. It's possible he got that #spon, Hazel Hayes kept saying companies should send her wine for Tipsy Talk and someone finally did. If he is not on their payroll he definitely should be considering how often he plugs them haha.eevee wrote:Some tweets: I wonder if Dan got that Ribena #spon and what the what is going on with Phil's amazon purchases...new kitten? kitten play?
sentinel this is the tweet probably, more platonic than it sounds:
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I always assumed that Phil was standing on something in the background of that vlog. There's another photo/gif somewhere from that same video and Phil looks nearly a whole head taller than Dan. Even if Dan was a little shorter than Phil when they first met, he wasn't that much shorter. I'll try and find the photo later so you can see what I'm talking about.Anonymousse wrote:For example this gif (my favourite gif)LeftHandedism wrote: Are there pictures that demonstrate this change? I find the photo I posted the link to earlier (also in dollicious's avatar!) fairly convincing that Dan was taller than Phil in 2009.
Edit — not what I was talking about but this kinda proves my point:
They're basically the same hight here so
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Amazon recommends stuff on what you've bought or looked at, he's probably thinking about buying or actually has bought Dan a toy rat for Xmas lolsentinel wrote:Well, I would lie if I said I'm not disappointed lmao. It's possible he got that #spon, Hazel Hayes kept saying companies should send her wine for Tipsy Talk and someone finally did. If he is not on their payroll he definitely should be considering how often he plugs them haha.eevee wrote:Some tweets: I wonder if Dan got that Ribena #spon and what the what is going on with Phil's amazon purchases...new kitten? kitten play?
sentinel this is the tweet probably, more platonic than it sounds:
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The problem with your gif is that Dan is clearly standing a bit farther away from the camera than Phil, so the perspective is already skewed.Anonymousse wrote:For example this gif (my favourite gif)
Personally, I've never seen any photos/videos from 2009, with Deppy standing the same distance from the camera side by side, where Dan doesn't look either questionably the same height as Phil or still taller than him.
I love the idea of Dan being shorter, and I've tried looking for photographic proofs, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me. I wish Phil didn't slouch so badly because then maybe I'd be able to see it.
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There is a running theme in these last two videos, they have given me good
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To add to the height discussion, I have nothing to further prove any points, but I agree with those who have said Dan looks either the same height or slightly taller than Phil even in 2009. I've always been confused when people say Dan was shorter than Phil then when in everything I see he either looks taller or the same height.
I mean it's very clear Dan has obviously grown since then, but I'm not sure it's in height. His shoulders have gotten a lot wider and he's gotten..bulkier? I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. You guys know what I mean.
All the pictures I've seen that supposedly proove Phil was taller makes him look a LOT taller, so I feel like he was probably standing on something...I think the best indication of their heights in 2009 is definitely the picture from the Halloween gathering, since they are standing directly side by side.
Maybe part of the reason people think Dan was shorter was because of that old vyou where he said he was six feet tall? IDK. I feel like he just didn't know his own height. I know a lot of people that don't. xD
(This makes me think of an argument I've been having with my best friend for seven years now.....she insists she's taller than me, but we are the exact same height. It will never end. Oh well.)
I mean it's very clear Dan has obviously grown since then, but I'm not sure it's in height. His shoulders have gotten a lot wider and he's gotten..bulkier? I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. You guys know what I mean.
All the pictures I've seen that supposedly proove Phil was taller makes him look a LOT taller, so I feel like he was probably standing on something...I think the best indication of their heights in 2009 is definitely the picture from the Halloween gathering, since they are standing directly side by side.
Maybe part of the reason people think Dan was shorter was because of that old vyou where he said he was six feet tall? IDK. I feel like he just didn't know his own height. I know a lot of people that don't. xD
(This makes me think of an argument I've been having with my best friend for seven years now.....she insists she's taller than me, but we are the exact same height. It will never end. Oh well.)
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Explains the weird tweets.
But who the fuck am I kidding? I'm mostly just the rotting banana peel at the bottom of the phan trash can who genuinely gets excited over the thought of them snuggling in bed. Idgaf let a bitch live
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