Dan & Phil Part 33: #JustBroThings

[pilotlight]

It's cool to hear the rationale of their choices during the game (quiz? it doesn't feel like a game, really). Especially Phil, because sometimes it seems like he tries to avoid heavy or serious topics. The immortality question was interesting, and like others have already said, he does seem attached to the idea of not dying. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during a conversation between him and Dan mid-existential crisis. And I thought his answer to the back-in-time question was thoughtful, especially his emphasis on decisions meaning something.

I was kinda surprised we got a video at all, I can't believe they haven't broken their streak yet. Dan did seem to be in a less good mood, but maybe he's just not feeling well or had a shitty day.

[karma_yeah]

even if it was a joke, i can understand where eevee is coming from by saying it is a step back. after what has felt like a conscious change in their behavior since gamingmas has begun, why are they making the same “on-brand” jokes.

i didn’t love this video but it was nice to hear their thought processes on the questions (or at least the ones they took seriously). i agree with those that have said that dan felt persona-y at times and it felt similar to videos before gamingmas. gamingmas so far (at least to me) has felt so different from day 1. i want to think this was filmed before the others because i have been loving the genuine, relaxed atmosphere lately at this didn’t feel the same.

I agree, I found Dan's desert island comment off-putting. Even more so after Phil's "say goodbye to our friendship then". Maybe it's just a case of "old habits die hard". If they are moving to a more natural, post-baking vid universe (and I sincerely hope that's the case), I think it would be understandable for them to slip back into the personas they created and portrayed for the last 7+ years.

tbh, I think it never occurred to Dan that Phil wouldn't be there (since they are one person after all) and when it dawned on him, he chose to double down rather than just say "oh yeah, not doing that" and moving on.

[MoonPride]

I think it was filmed recently as he mentioned PJ and Felix playing this and that was like a week ago. Not my fave video because Dan seemed a bit off but Phil is looking so hot lately lately which made uo for it.

[Philena]

I think it was filmed recently as he mentioned PJ and Felix playing this and that was like a week ago. Not my fave video because Dan seemed a bit off but Phil is looking so hot lately lately which made uo for it.

Go to bed!!!

[fancybum]

I didn't find anything off on first watch, but rewatching yeah it's less.. smooth? than the others have been. But I think that can probably just be chalked up to the nature of the "game". The fun of most of the videos so far has been watching them have genuine fun with games that required attention/thought/skill etc. This is just a kind of 'would you rather', so maybe there was more pressure to be On and try to be more entertaining (hence the persona-y vibe cropping up more noticeably)? Also putting up with the sound of drilling would definitely get on my nerves and put me on edge as well when I'm trying to work, so that may have been a factor. Also that black shirt looks itchy and uncomfortable to wear.

All of that said though, some of you guys are making me a little paranoid. Maybe the dreaded potential 'announcement' for Thursday will just be that they're cutting short gamingmas because it's proving to be too much or something. I always assume when people do stuff like this, they'd have vids banked and ready to go. But the past two days these guys are struggling to upload by midnight, so clearly they're editing day by day (and late in the day) even if they've got a bunch of filming banked by now. Who knows.

This video didn't really do much for me (though 1 meh vid out of 13 is a pretty good ratio to be fair), but Phil in glasses always gets a thumbs up and I especially loved him at 8:42 with the "Imagine if I agreed to that [murdering someone] on the internet? Like 'yeah, totally'" something about his voice and smile there is just so great. Maybe it's just caused my mind to go blank and there are tons of examples, but how often do we see sarcastic!Phil? Because I love him.

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Maybe it's just a case of "old habits die hard". If they are moving to a more natural, post-baking vid universe (and I sincerely hope that's the case), I think it would be understandable for them to slip back into the personas they created and portrayed for the last 7+ years.

Ooh and this is a very good point: whatever they're doing and whatever they ultimately have in mind for their rebranding/post-baking direction, it's going to be an ongoing process and as it's unfamiliar territory there will be some bumps along the way. It's probably good to focus on the overall trend of their attitudes etc. when little bumps seemingly steer them off-track from it, because it's likely they find their way back. 1 out of 13 isn't enough to crack the bigger picture they've been working on, so I'm not going to worry much just yet. I'll just wait to see what tomorrow's vid has in store.

[Amiaw]

I already weighed in on the video but I couldn't really figure out why it bothered me but I think I've figured it out.

On first watch, I thought it was painfully clear that Dan was in a bad mood. I feel for him because he seems to attract the crazier side of the phandom, the teenagers that threaten to hack him or the people who question everything he does, and yes, that would make me pretty mad too. Part of the (old?) Dinof branding is that Dan is a sarcastic, salty guy so I can understand sliding back into that when he's not feeling 100%.

However, these videos weren't filmed for the Dinof or AP channel - they were filmed for Dan and Phil Games. When I watch Dan and Phil games I am watching for their friendship. I don't want to see Dan mocking Phil in a slightly mean way or falling back into acting like Phil is ridiculous. I also don't want to seem them mocking their fans unless they are doing it together and it's more in a tongue in cheek way (which they have successfully done before this month). I'm hoping this video is an anomaly and that Dan gets over whatever is bothering him so that gamingmas doesn't become forced because then the videos stop being fun for everyone.

Added: I love Dan and I hope it doesn't seem like I'm attacking him- I'm just not onboard with the persona being a thing on this channel. I also didn't include Phil because he's been getting nothing but gold stars this month for being awesome.

[Catallena]

Such a difference from the relaxed atmosphere of Bubble Bobble Dan seemed in one of his moods again.. I hope de drops it before the liveshow on Thursday, I can't deal with him like that. I was sick of him and his piss poor attitude before Cutemas started and I really don't wanna go back to that. He heavily slipped into his DINOF persona a bunch of times, but thankfully Phil didn't bother with the AP personal much at all. It was interesting to hear their thoughts and reasoning behind their choices, but this video didn't do much for me.

- Phil in glasses, hallelujah.
- Dan moving out #confirmed He doesn't want a koi pond anymore, he wants an ocean.
- Dan don't lie tho, you do not function all that well on your own :')
- 'You've already been in about 4 movies technically' lol
- Dan brings up Makoto again. If he was specifically dissing the Free! ES dub though, I agree.
- 'You get $100 every time you breath' It's not like their current situation is all that much different.
- Dan exposes Phil as morally corrupt and evil. Dark!Phil rise, the rebrand is happening.
- 'Buy a ticket you cheap bitch' lmao
- Masculinity is more fragile than you think Dan.
- Phil getting deep about consistency of humanity, I love this. Please leave regular old AP persona in 2016.

Phil is really into this immortality thing.

Like violet-writer said, he has talked about immortality before. It seems to be a thing for him and it has caused me to theorize .

imo Phil really doesn't like getting older, and he makes an conscious effort to appear as young as possible in not only looks but also in behavior. It's why the AP persona is somewhat childish, clueless and innocent and why he clings to it. He even speaks in a higher pitched voice than what he sounds like normally, as if to avoid sounding old. He's not existential about his fear of death like Dan is but it's definitely there imo. I'm looking forward to his birthday next month just to see how the big three zero is gonna be handled, I don't think he has mentioned his age at all during recent birthdays but this is a milestone year.

[trashqueen]

Maybe it's just a case of "old habits die hard". If they are moving to a more natural, post-baking vid universe (and I sincerely hope that's the case), I think it would be understandable for them to slip back into the personas they created and portrayed for the last 7+ years.

Ooh and this is a very good point: whatever they're doing and whatever they ultimately have in mind for their rebranding/post-baking direction, it's going to be an ongoing process and as it's unfamiliar territory there will be some bumps along the way. It's probably good to focus on the overall trend of their attitudes etc. when little bumps seemingly steer them off-track from it, because it's likely they find their way back. 1 out of 13 isn't enough to crack the bigger picture they've been working on, so I'm not going to worry much just yet. I'll just wait to see what tomorrow's vid has in store.

i agree, i also think it's telling that the 'slip up' (lol can we call it that when it was their normal behavior two weeks ago?) happened when face to face with something that is so strongly dinof branding (i.e. hating everyone wanting to be left alone ugh human interaction) and not at any other random point during gamingmas, it was probably second nature for dan to go that way with that question

and i also think that the 'game' being about direct questions is what made it feel more persona-y (i'm so sorry) than the rest of gamingmas, they were probably constantly mentally juggling their 'real' answer and their 'dinof/ap' answer and seeing which one to go for or how to combine them into something they would say on the internet

or maybe dan was just in a bad mood idek

[rizzo]

This video didn't really do much for me (though 1 meh vid out of 13 is a pretty good ratio to be fair), but Phil in glasses always gets a thumbs up and I especially loved him at 8:42 with the "Imagine if I agreed to that [murdering someone] on the internet? Like 'yeah, totally'" something about his voice and smile there is just so great. Maybe it's just caused my mind to go blank and there are tons of examples, but how often do we see sarcastic!Phil? Because I love him.

I don't have much to add to your post outside of saying THISTHISTHIS. I meant to mention it earlier, but I think that comment from Phil was the highlight of this video for me. I like to see him fall back on what I personally deem "chill nights on the couch with Dan." It just sounds like something he'd naturally say without much thought to a camera or anything.

Philmas just keeps giving....

[psychicmoth]

The other Gamingmas videos were pretty good and Dan was in a very soft mood in all of them, so maybe in this one he just had a bad day and that's all. He is human after all. I hope Phil made him a cup of hot chocolate and he feels better now

In other news, Dark!Phil is my new kink *hides under her bed*

Anyways, I'm going to leave this little fluffy thing here because I can.

Have a nice day/night/life/whatever

[uglyamerican]

OT:



I couldn't resist

On topic:

Yea, I pretty much agree with idea of Dan skipping the LS today to attend the Rogue One premeire/screening. Makes sense. But it could be he's busy with editing more content before they break for Christmas. As for Gamingmas, overall it's great for us followers / subscribers, but is also a shitton of work. I think they are spoiling us because they're not going to be able to keep up this pace once the holidays are over. But I'm good with that eventuality - I don't want them to burn themselves out and get bitter....

[apathy]

Part of the (old?) Dinof branding is that Dan is a sarcastic, salty guy so I can understand sliding back into that when he's not feeling 100%.

I think sarcasm and salt is pretty big part of "real" Dan too, though? Reminds me of the best friend test thing where Phil commented about Dan being "always sarcastic and making jokes". That probably really is a big part of his sense of humor.

Realistically - if they're being more genuine, that's sometimes going to include bad moods. If they just constantly show themselves as relaxed and happy, isn't that just a new form of persona?

Do we want reality or just a different filtered view than we had before?

[fancybum]

Maybe it's just a case of "old habits die hard". If they are moving to a more natural, post-baking vid universe (and I sincerely hope that's the case), I think it would be understandable for them to slip back into the personas they created and portrayed for the last 7+ years.

Ooh and this is a very good point: whatever they're doing and whatever they ultimately have in mind for their rebranding/post-baking direction, it's going to be an ongoing process and as it's unfamiliar territory there will be some bumps along the way. It's probably good to focus on the overall trend of their attitudes etc. when little bumps seemingly steer them off-track from it, because it's likely they find their way back. 1 out of 13 isn't enough to crack the bigger picture they've been working on, so I'm not going to worry much just yet. I'll just wait to see what tomorrow's vid has in store.

i agree, i also think it's telling that the 'slip up' (lol can we call it that when it was their normal behavior two weeks ago?) happened when face to face with something that is so strongly dinof branding (i.e. hating everyone wanting to be left alone ugh human interaction) and not at any other random point during gamingmas, it was probably second nature for dan to go that way with that question

Yeah and it seems like it really does go beyond just his branding and it's an actual Thing Dan jokes (or whatever) about with friends, because it made me think of their Snake Oil video with PJ. The last pitch PJ gave was a secret cave for Dan where he could be alone and not be bothered by anyone etc, and Sophie chose that as the best pitch (as in most relevant/useful to the specific person). So the fact that a non-Phil friend would come up for that with Dan, and then another non-Phil friend would agree (above two other other perfectly good options) tells me he talks about this enough that people in his life get it. (although obviously he could still say it in a context to just be rude, and I can't really say I know where he's coming from with it in this vid, so there is that).

and i also think that the 'game' being about direct questions is what made it feel more persona-y (i'm so sorry) than the rest of gamingmas, they were probably constantly mentally juggling their 'real' answer and their 'dinof/ap' answer and seeing which one to go for or how to combine them into something they would say on the internet

And yes to this too. Lol I just realized Akinator really doesn't fall into my 'thought/skill/attention' sentence about the games they've played, but it's also not something that really requires any deep thought, so still didn't require much personal reflection or 'persona vs. rebrand' struggles with answers and bants.

And hey this may or may not be related to Dan's mood, but it just occurred to me that somebody with better eyesight and patience than I could probably sort these videos into chronological order based on the state of Dan's poor dry lips: chapped, splitting, healing, what day is it.

Philmas just keeps giving....

It truly is the most wonderful time of the year

[spaceguitar]

And hey this may or may not be related to Dan's mood, but it just occurred to me that somebody with better eyesight and patience than I could probably sort these videos into chronological order based on the state of Dan's poor dry lips: chapped, splitting, healing, what day is it.

Yes!

[karma_yeah]

and i also think that the 'game' being about direct questions is what made it feel more persona-y (i'm so sorry) than the rest of gamingmas, they were probably constantly mentally juggling their 'real' answer and their 'dinof/ap' answer and seeing which one to go for or how to combine them into something they would say on the internet

yes, that could definitely have played a part. It was very different from playing a traditional game where you're competing against something or one another. During a "regular" game, they are focused on the task and the bants are more casual. This put them more on the spot. On the other hand, I do like hearing them share their irl opinions about things, so I hope they'll do more and that they can take baby steps towards being more "real"/themselves/less p-word (you know what I mean)

[snokoplasm]

*cue the intro to my immortal*

Here's my half a cent into the whole Phil VS Immorality thing-

I hate to delve too deep into speculating that he's got some hiDdEn FeAr oF dEaTh oOoOoO SHIT but everyone discusses fairly and civilly here, so ah yes, I proceed.
A few things certainly factor into the thought of him being wary (not to say afraid) of death. He isn't vocal about profound thoughts and questioning sentiments, unlike d hizzle over here who has built a foundation over it. Hearing Phil talk about things like that is definitely interesting and I'd love to hear him speak more about it. Phil does seem to cling onto his child-like persona (which is basically the backbone to AP) and I don't know if that's attributing to him being rapt about immorality or if it's just a side of his personality that's stuck with him for a while. It started to be more vibrant in 2011/2012, which would have put him being around Dan's age now, a time where you're still figuring out what the rest of your life will be like and you're in the last decade of being considered a young adult. The fear may have started accumulating around that time if the innocence thing is a significant part of it.
I also read somewhere that, concerning his religious beliefs, he believed in God to feel more reassured about/cope with death or something along the lines of that. Maybe that's some fear of death and Hell? (if he grew up with religious family members, I completely empathize with it and can understand where it comes from)
Then again, Phil is heavily interested in sci-fi and immortal people, so maybe


Anyways, gamingmas has been fantastic and exciting so far. Hopefully they pull through until Christmas

[Rigby]

I didn't pick up on Dan's "mood" but idk. I was busy being frustrated because the game said "smell rotten meat" and NOT "smell of rotten meat".

Also did anyone else notice that they didn't show the other players' results and didn't show us one question? I think they didn't use it because it was too similar to the one about time-travelling (they didn't press the button):

[kuensukki]

And hey this may or may not be related to Dan's mood, but it just occurred to me that somebody with better eyesight and patience than I could probably sort these videos into chronological order based on the state of Dan's poor dry lips: chapped, splitting, healing, what day is it.

Yes!

In other news: I loved the new video despite the different moods. apathy I said the exact same thing on skype chat, the fact that being in a bad mood is another side of unfiltered dan and phil and its welcome as anything else. I think it was a combination of them being tired but also Dan not enjoying the game as much. It's a pretty trashy game of just pushing buttons so maybe the mood and excitement for it didn't suffice. That being said we still had some lovely Phil moments which I live for and his sarcasm was the highlight for me.

ls thoughts: I dont like overhyping things ever, especially since last year everyone also thought they would make an announcement that they're coming out or moving and it literally was a chill ls with them in christmas jumpers. I am just looking forward to finding out if they finally choose to stay together for Christmas or that Dan goes to the Lesters

[Laney]

Maybe it's just a case of "old habits die hard". If they are moving to a more natural, post-baking vid universe (and I sincerely hope that's the case), I think it would be understandable for them to slip back into the personas they created and portrayed for the last 7+ years.

Ooh and this is a very good point: whatever they're doing and whatever they ultimately have in mind for their rebranding/post-baking direction, it's going to be an ongoing process and as it's unfamiliar territory there will be some bumps along the way. It's probably good to focus on the overall trend of their attitudes etc. when little bumps seemingly steer them off-track from it, because it's likely they find their way back. 1 out of 13 isn't enough to crack the bigger picture they've been working on, so I'm not going to worry much just yet. I'll just wait to see what tomorrow's vid has in store.

i agree, i also think it's telling that the 'slip up' (lol can we call it that when it was their normal behavior two weeks ago?) happened when face to face with something that is so strongly dinof branding (i.e. hating everyone wanting to be left alone ugh human interaction) and not at any other random point during gamingmas, it was probably second nature for dan to go that way with that question

Yeah and it seems like it really does go beyond just his branding and it's an actual Thing Dan jokes (or whatever) about with friends, because it made me think of their Snake Oil video with PJ. The last pitch PJ gave was a secret cave for Dan where he could be alone and not be bothered by anyone etc, and Sophie chose that as the best pitch (as in most relevant/useful to the specific person). So the fact that a non-Phil friend would come up for that with Dan, and then another non-Phil friend would agree (above two other other perfectly good options) tells me he talks about this enough that people in his life get it. (although obviously he could still say it in a context to just be rude, and I can't really say I know where he's coming from with it in this vid, so there is that).

Yes! to all of this (esp. the bolded pts). It is definitely understandable for Dan to slip into his persona every once in a while, as a defense mechanism, or simply because of habit. However (like you guys said), Dan's whole overly pessimistic outlook that he often expresses, runs very deep. It seems like it's not just part of his branding, and is a very real thing he struggles with in everyday life. That being said, I think we should be patient with him, as he is human. It is probably quite a bit of a mental struggle to drop such deep-rooted habits/defense-mechanisms.
Someone give Dan a hug for me , and Phil too! All this work for Gamingmass is probably not an easy feat, I hope they are taking care of themselves mentally and physically

[flarequake]

That was a fun video. Phil was wonderful all round, the glasses, that deep singing voice (good edit of a glass breaking when Dan started singing too), and all his different tones of voice. I didn't notice anything off about Dan tbh, but would have put it less down to persona than maybe he is just that cynical and sarcastic etc about some things, hence the persona to begin with. It seemed natural enough to me, but still I watched Phil most of the time anyway, sometimes he's just so fricking stunning I don't want to look anywhere else. Whenever immortality and death come up, I always think of the friend he lost at university, maybe that's part of it, but he's never said anything.

Love that au idea, sentinel, gave me a good laugh.

Looking forward to a joint live show, I'm intrigued if they've actually got much to discuss or if it's just more convenient.

[fancybum]

And hey this may or may not be related to Dan's mood, but it just occurred to me that somebody with better eyesight and patience than I could probably sort these videos into chronological order based on the state of Dan's poor dry lips: chapped, splitting, healing, what day is it.

Yes!

Omg no way, are you actually going to? Because like no pressure, but I think society as a whole needs it (or knowing this fandom maybe it's already out there).. Because I was honestly staring at his lip trying to figure out if that was the beginning or the aftermath of what he had going on in Impossible Quiz 4 but then I just started to get a headache and gave up. AND I was thinking about their weird water/hydration comments lately and wondered if it's like a teasing inside thing with them based on Dan needing to be better hydrated. There was a liveshow in like 2012 where they were talking about his chapped lips and Phil told him he needed to drink more water Clearly it's an ongoing issue

[snokoplasm]

That was a fun video. Phil was wonderful all round, the glasses, that deep singing voice (good edit of a glass breaking when Dan started singing too), and all his different tones of voice. I didn't notice anything off about Dan tbh, but would have put it less down to persona than maybe he is just that cynical and sarcastic etc about some things, hence the persona to begin with. It seemed natural enough to me, but still I watched Phil most of the time anyway, sometimes he's just so fricking stunning I don't want to look anywhere else. Whenever immortality and death come up, I always think of the friend he lost at university, maybe that's part of it, but he's never said anything.

Love that au idea, sentinel, gave me a good laugh.

Looking forward to a joint live show, I'm intrigued if they've actually got much to discuss or if it's just more convenient.

Ditto on this!

[gnostic]

Y'all crazy paranoid. Myself and most people I know, ranging from very social to completely asocial, would jump on the chance to joke about ditching my friends like that

Phil though. God these 13 days of Phil being an evil lil shit. Sign me up for that immortality club Philly (provided it come with eternal youth / middle age obvs)

[kuensukki]

And hey this may or may not be related to Dan's mood, but it just occurred to me that somebody with better eyesight and patience than I could probably sort these videos into chronological order based on the state of Dan's poor dry lips: chapped, splitting, healing, what day is it.

Yes!

Omg no way, are you actually going to? Because like no pressure, but I think society as a whole needs it (or knowing this fandom maybe it's already out there).. Because I was honestly staring at his lip trying to figure out if that was the beginning or the aftermath of what he had going on in Impossible Quiz 4 but then I just started to get a headache and gave up. AND I was thinking about their weird water/hydration comments lately and wondered if it's like a teasing inside thing with them based on Dan needing to be better hydrated. There was a liveshow in like 2012 where they were talking about his chapped lips and Phil told him he needed to drink more water Clearly it's an ongoing issue

So i had a lookie and it seems the first 7 videos uploaded, Dan had really hydrated lips. Then I think the Bubble Bobble was filmed since his lips looked plump and hydrated. Then I think it might be the Press the Button because I noticed one side of Dan lip is beginning to split (or heal, its hard to tell tbh). Dance Evolution is where i see the first signs of cracking and after that I think they filmed Slender Special since his lips were still red but you can see signs of splitting. After that they probably filmed the Impossible Quiz since its when the lips officially split and lastly, Akinator since his lips are healing from splitting. ive never watched dans lips this closely before

It may be a hydration issue or Phil finally acting on his biting kink dreams

[sentinel]

My two cents: we are seeing an existential crisis in development. If we time everything by looking at Dan's lips ( ) you can tell that he's been progressively biting them to blood. The way I see it Bubble Bubble was filmed far earlier and then something prompted the crisis, so instead of making effort to be his actual person he falls back into the dinof brand, because that's his coping mechanism. I wonder what happened, if it's the holiday season? It's peak time for break ups and suicides - I'm not saying that either of these things happened, it's just a time for reflection/going back to old places and it sounds like a plausible explanation.