Dan & Phil Part 33: #JustBroThings

[rizzo]

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

This just got me thinking and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil has never publicly spoken about that vid, has he? It's always been Dan. At most, we've heard of DMs Phil has sent and we know for a fact that his name is on all the take-downs, but he has never once claimed it was a "prank".

So essentially, the person who made the video and said the words in that video has never once denied them.

[flarequake]

In that photo Phil still looks so cute, good worried look he's got going on (my keyboard just fittingly auto-corrected look to Loki ), it's hard to feel shocked by what it's implied to be instead of milk.

I remember feeling pretty disheartened with Phil when I realised he's lied about things like the mutual friend, but it's rare to spend your early adult years sharing things online for your job and having people be more curious than you're comfortable with. I don't know how I'd have dealt with it, I realised they had to protect themselves so I let it be. It does seem a bit odd that Dan has actually played that game before, but it made for a more interesting video with Phil teaching him the basics, a lot of us found that adorable and it's possible they'd totally forgotten or that Dan has forgotten how to play it mostly anyway after this long while playing it a lot as a kid would have etched it into Phil's memory.

I found Dan's tweet pretty relatable tbh, though not on the same subject (it's years since I could write or draw something without stopping before I start, thinking about how it's not as good as it should be yet, only way I can even start most of the time is to forget trying to be good at anything and even then it's hard to do it at all).

[annetamiau]

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

This just got me thinking and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil has never publicly spoken about that vid, has he? It's always been Dan. At most, we've heard of DMs Phil has sent and we know for a fact that his name is on all the take-downs, but he has never once claimed it was a "prank".

So essentially, the person who made the video and said the words in that video has never once denied them.

I think Phil DID deny it, at least once, on twitter. He answered someone who asked about voldy saying 'no, it was just a prank' or something like that (as usual, I cannot find a screenshot but I'm almost sure I've seen it).

The video is real af though

[Rigby]

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

This just got me thinking and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil has never publicly spoken about that vid, has he? It's always been Dan. At most, we've heard of DMs Phil has sent and we know for a fact that his name is on all the take-downs, but he has never once claimed it was a "prank".

So essentially, the person who made the video and said the words in that video has never once denied them.

He did deny it, but it's nothing (in quantity) compared to how much denying Dan did lol

[rizzo]

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

This just got me thinking and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil has never publicly spoken about that vid, has he? It's always been Dan. At most, we've heard of DMs Phil has sent and we know for a fact that his name is on all the take-downs, but he has never once claimed it was a "prank".

So essentially, the person who made the video and said the words in that video has never once denied them.

I think Phil DID deny it, at least once, on twitter. He answered someone who asked about voldy saying 'no, it was just a prank' or something like that (as usual, I cannot find a screenshot but I'm almost sure I've seen it).

The video is real af though

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

This just got me thinking and please correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil has never publicly spoken about that vid, has he? It's always been Dan. At most, we've heard of DMs Phil has sent and we know for a fact that his name is on all the take-downs, but he has never once claimed it was a "prank".

So essentially, the person who made the video and said the words in that video has never once denied them.

He did deny it, but it's nothing (in quantity) compared to how much denying Dan did lol

Welp. I tried. Just pull me outta the trash can when you're ready~

[malday]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

[melon lord]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

the video is still being taken down, I was snooping around about a couple of weeks ago wondering the same thing myself, since by now it's pretty much a huge taboo and you're lucky to find it online anywhere, seems the DCMA copyright notice still is effective

I found someone posting a link to a vimeo with the vid, allegedly. It's been taken down and shows this





You can click on the DCMA link and see the claim for yourself

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12224563#

If you click on his name you'll see a list of takedowns from various sites etc that he successfully claimed

https://www.lumendatabase.org/faceted_s ... mazingPhil

As you can see, a LOT of takedowns from a lot of places

But here's the interesting thing. Now, to my knowledge, not everyone can take down a video or content successfully, like it's not just any random person can do it (if you can then please correct me and ignore this) but I came across another vimeo link and it was taken down but not by Phil, by a "Mike Cook"





If you click his name unfortunately it only has that one claim and the rest are random that have nothing to do with the video itself, so that leads nowhere afaik

So either he has used this alias to keep taking things down OR it's a weird random glitch and anyone can claim a video and take it down and Mike Cook person did for some reason

[cold-tea]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

the video is still being taken down, I was snooping around about a couple of weeks ago wondering the same thing myself, since by now it's pretty much a huge taboo and you're lucky to find it online anywhere, seems the DCMA copyright notice still is effective

I found someone posting a link to a vimeo with the vid, allegedly. It's been taken down and shows this





You can click on the DCMA link and see the claim for yourself

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12224563#

If you click on his name you'll see a list of takedowns from various sites etc that he successfully claimed

https://www.lumendatabase.org/faceted_s ... mazingPhil

As you can see, a LOT of takedowns from a lot of places

But here's the interesting thing. Now, to my knowledge, not everyone can take down a video or content successfully, like it's not just any random person can do it (if you can then please correct me and ignore this) but I came across another vimeo link and it was taken down but not by Phil, by a "Mike Cook"





If you click his name unfortunately it only has that one claim and the rest are random that have nothing to do with the video itself, so that leads nowhere afaik

So either he has used this alias to keep taking things down OR it's a weird random glitch and anyone can claim a video and take it down and Mike Cook person did for some reason

Mike Cook is one of the head of talents for flipside. According to the flipside website

[trashqueen]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

the video is still being taken down, I was snooping around about a couple of weeks ago wondering the same thing myself, since by now it's pretty much a huge taboo and you're lucky to find it online anywhere, seems the DCMA copyright notice still is effective

I found someone posting a link to a vimeo with the vid, allegedly. It's been taken down and shows this





You can click on the DCMA link and see the claim for yourself

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12224563#

If you click on his name you'll see a list of takedowns from various sites etc that he successfully claimed

https://www.lumendatabase.org/faceted_s ... mazingPhil

As you can see, a LOT of takedowns from a lot of places

But here's the interesting thing. Now, to my knowledge, not everyone can take down a video or content successfully, like it's not just any random person can do it (if you can then please correct me and ignore this) but I came across another vimeo link and it was taken down but not by Phil, by a "Mike Cook"





If you click his name unfortunately it only has that one claim and the rest are random that have nothing to do with the video itself, so that leads nowhere afaik

So either he has used this alias to keep taking things down OR it's a weird random glitch and anyone can claim a video and take it down and Mike Cook person did for some reason

Mike Cook is one of the head of talents for flipside. According to the flipside website

yup

i find it hilarious that their management goes around hunting down copies of their 2010 declaration of love, what a fun job to have

[melon lord]

Mike Cook is one of the head of talents for flipside. According to the flipside website

Hmm, that's interesting! He's only claimed one video, if you look his name up then only the first result is related to this, the rest are random

https://lumendatabase.org/faceted_searc ... =Mike+Cook

Why would HE claim just *one* video though? in 2016 no less, when AP already claims all the videos anyway? I mean the process is automatic afaik so it's not like he needs to bring an army of people to help him, the site does the hard work for him

elementary, my dear watson? or is there more?

[rizzo]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

the video is still being taken down, I was snooping around about a couple of weeks ago wondering the same thing myself, since by now it's pretty much a huge taboo and you're lucky to find it online anywhere, seems the DCMA copyright notice still is effective

I found someone posting a link to a vimeo with the vid, allegedly. It's been taken down and shows this





You can click on the DCMA link and see the claim for yourself

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12224563#

If you click on his name you'll see a list of takedowns from various sites etc that he successfully claimed

https://www.lumendatabase.org/faceted_s ... mazingPhil

As you can see, a LOT of takedowns from a lot of places

But here's the interesting thing. Now, to my knowledge, not everyone can take down a video or content successfully, like it's not just any random person can do it (if you can then please correct me and ignore this) but I came across another vimeo link and it was taken down but not by Phil, by a "Mike Cook"





If you click his name unfortunately it only has that one claim and the rest are random that have nothing to do with the video itself, so that leads nowhere afaik

So either he has used this alias to keep taking things down OR it's a weird random glitch and anyone can claim a video and take it down and Mike Cook person did for some reason

Mike Cook is one of the head of talents for flipside. According to the flipside website

yup

i find it hilarious that their management goes around hunting down copies of their 2010 declaration of love, what a fun job to have

It's fascinating to consider them sitting in a meeting room with their team explaining this video and how it has to come down if it ever pops up. Makes you really feel for them.

[melon lord]

It's fascinating to consider them sitting in a meeting room with their team explaining this video and how it has to come down if it ever pops up. Makes you really feel for them.

I looked up Dan's name, his full name and username but the only things that come up are torrents/links to TABINOF and not under his name, so it's not him removing them, it's just that his name is included in the title. So it's pretty much exclusively Phil's doing. Is it because it was on his channel? No idea, because if they both wanted it private I would have also participated in getting it taken down, ya know? Unless it's strict because of content creator rules or something. Although why Mike could claim and remove the video is beyond me, even as his manager. And only one video too

[malday]

speaking of which, when was the last time Phil actively sought and took down copies of the vid? if ever? (i'm talking about manually, not through youtube's automated system)

it's been allover youtube and tumblr for months.

the video is still being taken down, I was snooping around about a couple of weeks ago wondering the same thing myself, since by now it's pretty much a huge taboo and you're lucky to find it online anywhere, seems the DCMA copyright notice still is effective

I found someone posting a link to a vimeo with the vid, allegedly. It's been taken down and shows this





You can click on the DCMA link and see the claim for yourself

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12224563#

If you click on his name you'll see a list of takedowns from various sites etc that he successfully claimed

https://www.lumendatabase.org/faceted_s ... mazingPhil

As you can see, a LOT of takedowns from a lot of places

But here's the interesting thing. Now, to my knowledge, not everyone can take down a video or content successfully, like it's not just any random person can do it (if you can then please correct me and ignore this) but I came across another vimeo link and it was taken down but not by Phil, by a "Mike Cook"





If you click his name unfortunately it only has that one claim and the rest are random that have nothing to do with the video itself, so that leads nowhere afaik

So either he has used this alias to keep taking things down OR it's a weird random glitch and anyone can claim a video and take it down and Mike Cook person did for some reason

Mike Cook is one of the head of talents for flipside. According to the flipside website

Thanks! I though he had given up on taking it down.

[lefthandedism]

But have we ever had proof/suspicion of Phil lying? either for views, for attention, to hide himself, or even random crap? I'm not saying he wouldn't ever 100% cinnamon roll, but we have little to go by because he usually seems so composed when he talks. I'm not saying he doesn't lose his cool but he seems to be the kind of person that's bad at hiding something on the fly but good at keeping cool under a controlled story, does that make sense?

I thought Phil was actually the first one to say 'we met through a mutual friend in Manchester', someone correct me, but even if he wasn't the originator of it, he said it in a liveshow once. Tsk tsk. But yeah he definitely tends to have a stronger poker face.

This.

Plus, if Dan was being suggestive on Twitter/Dailybooth/etc. for attention and views, so was Phil. Phil may not have gotten naked, but the Dailybooth that I found most shockingly suggestive was Phil's with the milk.

Also, if a certain video is fake, Phil's the biggest liar there is. (Or, it's not fake, and he's lied about that.)

if anyone would like to discuss Phil more, i'm so here for it. (well as much as we can ) it's definitely interesting, the contrast between him and dan, they both share alot of their lives - granted, not all of it - and yet we know phil a lot less than dan based on information given. i do wonder if this is branding or if he's just that kind of person.

also the milk dailybooth and lying - even more interesting. i wonder what changed? guess it could of just been him growing up, but he was in his early 20's then right? he went from suggestive to 'innocent cinnamon roll', i wonder if he's gonna drop that?

sorry, rambling again. also spent the day travelling to and from cardiff so im a lil tired, please excuse me

Well, as I suggested, they seemed to behave pretty similarly in '09-'10.

The Angel Roll Phil thing has always bugged me in light of this--I entered the phandom back in the spring, then did loads of historical research. For a long time, my attitude was, "I really really like old-school Phil, but current Phil is really boring". I still don't really understand how that branding came seem like a good idea, but I wasn't around at the time. Like everyone else, I'm really pleased with Phil's latest rebranding!

The other thing that has puzzled me is the whole Dan-is-so-in-love-with-and-dependent-on-Phil thing. That certain video is an all-in declaration, reaffirmed by the "forever plz" comment. (If it's real) Phil has been completely in love with Dan from very early on, with no sign of wavering since.

We know more about how Phil fell in love with Dan than the other way around. Dan's "Stalk him until he loves you" is catchy, but do we really know the story behind that? Hmm, I wonder if that storyline gets emphasized these days in part to draw attention from the video's storyline.

[Sakura Selfie]

@melon lord that emoji is a fairly good description of my reaction

I wonder what time they'll upload tonight? Hopefully earlier than they have been lately, fingers crossed

[melon lord]

Thanks! I though he had given up on taking it down.

The fandom itself is the best police in this situation; it's like V for Vendetta if you scroll through the tumblr tags related to this topic

Beyond that, the copyright claim just snatches any trace of the video without him needing to look around for it, to my knowledge. I imagine that'd be exhausting if he had to scour the entirety of the internet just to find someone posting the video. I wonder if it's keywords or using image ID to recognise parts of it like with Youtube? like, if you adjust the audio or video in any way would it fail to recognise it? etc etc

most fans leave it unedited and title it with a provocative, all caps title so it's pretty easy to spot for the copyright

EDIT: There is a really terribly-formatted blog that's meant to be youtuber gossip but basically more or less "D&P and people related to them" and in 2014 it had this "scandalous" post about the whole "truth" revealed and it had a bunch of old timeline tweets that we've all seen before (most likely taken from the other place, who are they kidding ) and a youku link to the video, also removed

so if it's been removed from freaking youku which isn't even in English then that's some dedication

[melon lord]

Sorry for double post but I did find it on tumblr, actually, and it's got every incriminating tag, including of the people themselves It was posted in January

(don't worry I'm not going to link it here)

Considering it's literally got their names in the tags I'm guessing either never saw it or they just chose to ignore it

misshap or progress? no idea, but by this time the fandom is pretty good at complaining endlessly until it's removed

[confusedpanda]

So Dan and Phil are at Flipside talents annual Christmas party.

Any hope of an early upload or an upload at all has been canceled for me.

[mio]

so if it's been removed from freaking youku which isn't even in English then that's some dedication

good luck getting something removed from youku bc of copyright...

[Birdie]

So Dan and Phil are at Flipside talents annual Christmas party.

Any hope of an early upload or an upload at all has been canceled for me.

Nah, we said the same thing when they were at that event a few days ago and still got a video. Pretty sure they would tweet if they couldn't upload to let us know there wasn't a video coming today. But those pictures are great.

well..

Finally...

About that video... why can't people just let it go. The video was a giant mistake, whether it's real or not and Phil has every right to not want it on the internet anymore. Especially since he never wanted it published in the first place, it got unprivated by mistake, did it not? We were never meant to see it so I'm okay with Dan and Phil lying about it (if they are lying, we don't know) for damage control. I'm kind of annoyed by people on Tumblr acting like they have any right to see it or share it or whatever. They don't. He made it, he decided to keep it private for whatever reason and now he wants it off the internet and people will have to accept that eventually. I know they won't though because they think they're entitled to know everything about them no matter what Dan and Phil want.

[MoonPride]

Dan wearing his own merch in public is so precious. But I am not expectimg a video tonight so I'll be going to sleep early. It makes no sense why fhey can't set it to go live at a certain time if they are out being social.

[papierklemmen]

Dan wearing his own merch in public is so precious. But I am not expectimg a video tonight so I'll be going to sleep early. It makes no sense why fhey can't set it to go live at a certain time if they are out being social.

idk surely they would tweet if we weren't getting a video tonight? unless they don't know tweeting is a thing because they never attempted everyday vids before...

they might have just timed it to later today or... we'll see.

good night! i should probably go to bed too, i've been staying up for these losers lately, it's not good.

[melon lord]

About that video... why can't people just let it go. The video was a giant mistake, whether it's real or not and Phil has every right to not want it on the internet anymore. Especially since he never wanted it published in the first place, it got unprivated by mistake, did it not? We were never meant to see it so I'm okay with Dan and Phil lying about it (if they are lying, we don't know) for damage control. I'm kind of annoyed by people on Tumblr acting like they have any right to see it or share it or whatever. They don't. He made it, he decided to keep it private for whatever reason and now he wants it off the internet and people will have to accept that eventually. I know they won't though because they think they're entitled to know everything about them no matter what Dan and Phil want.

I do agree with you, but back in the day being contrary to their wishes was a knee-jerk reaction because when you were living in this huge drama, it was so different to now. Back then emotions were flying high, fans were losing their shit and we also had salty!Dan and lying!Phil who were deleting the past in front of our eyes. And then exploding about it when people were coming up to them with the receipts. It was a very intense time to be a fan, and people were pushing back with posting more old screenshots, more dailybooth, more content that they tried to hide

I was not one of the people tracking down old photos and screenshots, but I do remember that time and I saw everything, even if now I may forget some things, but I saw it all, personal photos, photos of his pre-Youtube friends, I witnessed lubegate happening, all that jazz. Whether we like it or not, a lot of fans view the censorship of their past as an indirect "dumbing down" of the fans from that era, as if to say "do you really think we are so fucking stupid as to believe your bullshit that you're trying to save face while you delete every shred of evidence?" all the while the customerservicedepartmentblog was high on drama and "are you literally 12 oh my god" posts. Because the thing is, it wasn't just deppy vs fans, it was also fans vs fans, and newer fans who had no idea what was happening were flinging shit at the ones with the pictures, while simultaneously also begging to see them on anon on tumblr.


What I'm trying to say, I agree with privacy. I really do. I wish I could unsee a lot of things from back then. But something that was SUCH a pivotal moment in their online history will never be erased. Someone won't care, someone will be angry, someone will be nosy, curious. It's the thing I doubt with the idea of all the Youtubers and BBC and anyone they come across covering up the relationship. I don't have enough faith in people to not blab; even Emma and Evan's gossiping didn't spill tea, they just liked pretending to know something we didn't and mock the boys for it. All talk and no action. Someone won't care. Someone will be bitter or salty. Someone may be at the bad time at the wrong place with a camera. The most they can do is stick with their excuse if it's true, or just try the best they can to stand by what they said back then and let it go because it's fake and doesn't matter anyway.

phew sorry for wall of text

EDIT: In a way I'm trying to say that a lot of fans witnessed history being rewritten in front of their eyes because while yes the boys did address the video and briefly reference old screenshots, a lot of that past was being deleted and the story being rewritten to a cleaner, more "bro" timeline that a lot of fans are familiar with nowadays, or they didn't know of the past. That's what sparked a lot of the anger and the reactionary posting of videos and photos. A lot of blogs now are just archives or are harmless, and it's good as a fan to see the past because it's dirty and messy but it also happened. Deppy managed to rewrite history to fit their angle but that's why the counterarguments exist to say "no, we don't remember it that way and neither do you"

[secretagentphan]

Dan, tweeting "we're going through a bit of rough patch" is NOT ALLOWED jfc my heart stopped, i went colorblind, the sun set, it started pouring, and my nonexistent dog died before I realized it was about Kanye my god

Not the first time Deppy have killed people by people misunderstanding them.

SAME eevee
But seriously I'd love to talk to Dan about Kanye right now because I am also a little concerned lol

[Catallena]

About that video... why can't people just let it go. The video was a giant mistake, whether it's real or not and Phil has every right to not want it on the internet anymore. Especially since he never wanted it published in the first place, it got unprivated by mistake, did it not? We were never meant to see it so I'm okay with Dan and Phil lying about it (if they are lying, we don't know) for damage control. I'm kind of annoyed by people on Tumblr acting like they have any right to see it or share it or whatever. They don't. He made it, he decided to keep it private for whatever reason and now he wants it off the internet and people will have to accept that eventually. I know they won't though because they think they're entitled to know everything about them no matter what Dan and Phil want.

I do agree with you, but back in the day being contrary to their wishes was a knee-jerk reaction because when you were living in this huge drama, it was so different to now. Back then emotions were flying high, fans were losing their shit and we also had salty!Dan and lying!Phil who were deleting the past in front of our eyes. And then exploding about it when people were coming up to them with the receipts. It was a very intense time to be a fan, and people were pushing back with posting more old screenshots, more dailybooth, more content that they tried to hide

I was not one of the people tracking down old photos and screenshots, but I do remember that time and I saw everything, even if now I may forget some things, but I saw it all, personal photos, photos of his pre-Youtube friends, I witnessed lubegate happening, all that jazz. Whether we like it or not, a lot of fans view the censorship of their past as an indirect "dumbing down" of the fans from that era, as if to say "do you really think we are so fucking stupid as to believe your bullshit that you're trying to save face while you delete every shred of evidence?" all the while the customerservicedepartmentblog was high on drama and "are you literally 12 oh my god" posts. Because the thing is, it wasn't just deppy vs fans, it was also fans vs fans, and newer fans who had no idea what was happening were flinging shit at the ones with the pictures, while simultaneously also begging to see them on anon on tumblr.


What I'm trying to say, I agree with privacy. I really do. I wish I could unsee a lot of things from back then. But something that was SUCH a pivotal moment in their online history will never be erased. Someone won't care, someone will be angry, someone will be nosy, curious. It's the thing I doubt with the idea of all the Youtubers and BBC and anyone they come across covering up the relationship. I don't have enough faith in people to not blab; even Emma and Evan's gossiping didn't spill tea, they just liked pretending to know something we didn't and mock the boys for it. All talk and no action. Someone won't care. Someone will be bitter or salty. Someone may be at the bad time at the wrong place with a camera. The most they can do is stick with their excuse if it's true, or just try the best they can to stand by what they said back then and let it go because it's fake and doesn't matter anyway.

phew sorry for wall of text

EDIT: In a way I'm trying to say that a lot of fans witnessed history being rewritten in front of their eyes because while yes the boys did address the video and briefly reference old screenshots, a lot of that past was being deleted and the story being rewritten to a cleaner, more "bro" timeline that a lot of fans are familiar with nowadays, or they didn't know of the past. That's what sparked a lot of the anger and the reactionary posting of videos and photos. A lot of blogs now are just archives or are harmless, and it's good as a fan to see the past because it's dirty and messy but it also happened. Deppy managed to rewrite history to fit their angle but that's why the counterarguments exist to say "no, we don't remember it that way and neither do you"

Yes to this entire post One of the most worrying things to me at the time was how they always kept deleting old tweets that didn't quite fit in with their narrative. It came to a point where newer fans kept saying we were lying about stuff and that screenshots we had were all fake because the source wasn't there anymore. D&P really took their audience for morons sometimes and I'm still a little bitter about it.