Dan & Phil Part 34: It's a post-baking universe

[MoonPride]

I mean do you guys really thinks that he has those kinks? He is just joking. Is Dan sense of humour an now he just feel more confortable sharing it with us

Who knows

[flarequake]

It's possible he does like some of the kinks he's mentioned, but since we don't know anything for sure he's safe to joke about them (though if we did know for sure he should be able to mention them if he likes, partner's consent taken into account ofc, it's all very personal if it's true). Even if they are together and play with some kinks, they might not both be into the same things (choking isn't the safest, after all).

I'd hope he's not just trolling and taking the mick for the lolz (same with Phil joining in the bro stuff especially cos it's all adorable) rather than joking cos he feels comfortable enough to, I'd been reading it all as the latter so no harm done tbh

[tymyky]

re: dan liking/commenting on that tumblr vid

i personally don't think it was that deep tbh. i just think it appealed to his sense of humour, similar to vyou1's youtube channel where he subscribed and commented on one (or some?) of their vids. i think it's great that he liked/commented on the vid, as 1. it shows he gets the fandom's sense of humour, 2. he's appreciating something made by the tumblr community and 3. it shows that he's pretty relaxed about fanmade content that can be interpreted as shippy - in a similar way to him liking and commenting on incaseyouart's fanart on twitter a few weeks ago. as someone who was around in 2012/2013, i see this as somewhat of a goddamn miracle and it's so nice that this is his current attitude.

I totally agree with this. imo this is just Dan's way of appreciating the fandom's sense of humour. And do you guys really think that he would be posting publicly about his kinks? I just think that if he (and Phil) has some kind of kinks they definitely aren't the ones he posts about on twitter/tumblr. It's just Dan's humour.

[papierklemmen]

"choke me daddy" is pretty much a running joke in the phandom at this point lol, not dissimilar to pewdiepie's "fist me daddy". i very much doubt it has anything to do with dan's kinks

[sia]

I loved the new video though. except for when Phil called Dan 'brother' like wow

Bringing this back for a hot minute just to say that it was bothering me just because I was wondering why it sounded so familiar coming from Phil. (I kept remembering it as "help me brother" and I couldn't figure out why that was either, figured it was just because they were both screaming for help on the blimp and they meshed in my head). Long story short, it just hit me that he was referencing himself, referencing Supernatural back in the face swap vid and that's where the "help me brother!" came from.

Edit: Could also be a Lion King reference since he was hanging off the edge.

I agree with you, I also think it was just a reference to that, they really never referred to each other as silblings?

I saw notification for gang beasts video last night and decided to watch it, even though I haven't watched any other videos from gamingmas (because life aka school) and I really liked it, I've seen many people play it before and they were genuinely the funniest I guess it also helped that they didn't punch each other and were only grabing (yes you can punch in this game, yes it means insta knockout and then the opponent just has to grab and throw limp body off the ring), because that lead to so many innuendos and funny moments and then I continued watching all the videos

Also can I just say that they seem so different now, in a good way, this daily upload schedule is really working for them in my opinion, they just seem so much more relaxed and open (especially Phil) and they really look like two people that are together for 7 years now, and I don't consider myself a shipper in any way. Also I can start to imagine now how busy they were with the tour and the book and bbc before if they have time now for all this videos.

Some offtopic thoughs about the future; I really believe this is just the beginning of them returning to what they know best and do the best, youtube. I know a lot of people were expecting from them to do something with traditional media and a lot of youtubers try to go there but why would they? There are nobody in that world, they are everything here, they may be older than an average fan but they have been for a long time now. They obviously enjoyed the tour but they also were sick like the entire time, if that is not a clear indication that maybe they were not build for that life than I don't know what would be. And here that can continue to make their inappropriate sexual jokes they both enjoy making and not be under any scrutiny by someone like bbc

[annetamiau]

Some offtopic thoughs about the future; I really believe this is just the beginning of them returning to what they know best and do the best, youtube. I know a lot of people were expecting from them to do something with traditional media and a lot of youtubers try to go there but why would they? There are nobody in that world, they are everything here, they may be older than an average fan but they have been for a long time now. They obviously enjoyed the tour but they also were sick like the entire time, if that is not a clear indication that maybe they were not build for that life than I don't know what would be. And here that can continue to make their inappropriate sexual jokes they both enjoy making and not be under any scrutiny by someone like bbc

I used to think they would get back to Radio 1 after the tour or after Christmas at most, but I'm not sure any more. Dan's made a couple references recently ('BBC no' is the one that comes to mind) that suggest they might be really done with it. Maybe one of the reasons for Gamingmas is to refresh their YT career, I've realised their videos are getting less views than a year ago.

Also, regarding Dan's 'weird' mood lately, I reckon it's just him worrying about the DINOF video he probably still has to film.

[sia]

Some offtopic thoughs about the future; I really believe this is just the beginning of them returning to what they know best and do the best, youtube. I know a lot of people were expecting from them to do something with traditional media and a lot of youtubers try to go there but why would they? There are nobody in that world, they are everything here, they may be older than an average fan but they have been for a long time now. They obviously enjoyed the tour but they also were sick like the entire time, if that is not a clear indication that maybe they were not build for that life than I don't know what would be. And here that can continue to make their inappropriate sexual jokes they both enjoy making and not be under any scrutiny by someone like bbc

I used to think they would get back to Radio 1 after the tour or after Christmas at most, but I'm not sure any more. Dan's made a couple references recently ('BBC no' is the one that comes to mind) that suggest they might be really done with it. Maybe one of the reasons for Gamingmas is to refresh their YT career, I've realised their videos are getting less views than a year ago.

Also, regarding Dan's 'weird' mood lately, I reckon it's just him worrying about the DINOF video he probably still has to film.

Well yeah they probably already peaked, they wouldn't be doing tour now if they didn't at least partially think so I believe, but that doesn't mean that they will become instantly irrelevant as long as they keep on putting out content, also gamingmas has a lot of videos, most people don't have the commitment it takes to keep up with that They still have high viewer ratio, comparing to any other big gaming youtuber.

I don't really sense any kind of weird mood from Dan tbh, and him stalling the video is very typical of him, he did run out of "relatable" things a bit I guess and he has a very bohemian way of working. He is very fortunate he has Phil organizing stuff like the gaming videos

[pearshaped34]

I have no problem with him liking shippy stuff I think it's great to see how far he has come from 2012. I just think it's weird that if they are together Phil lets him post kinky shit which can be described as their sex life at home. Imagine Phil's mum reading about Dan's kinks on Twitter and how embarrassed Phil would be. He is pretty much telling 4 million people on twitter what he likes in the bedroom.

The fact your last sentence would be true if Dan was a furry with an asphyxiation kink is what convinces me there is no truth to his jokes. By youtuber standards Dan (and Phil) are about as private as they come neither will so much as confirm they've been on as much as a date (with each other or anyone else) in the last 7 years so yeah I don't buy that Dan is trying to offer anyone insight into what he likes in the bedroom with these jokes.

I know some people think it's real and he is joking because he knows the vast majority won't take him seriously but he knows (better than most) how extra his fanbase is. Even if most don't take it as being real there will always be someone dedicated enough to spend the rest of eternity analysing every inch of his skin that we ever see for marks or signs of bruising so they can make an erotic asphyxiation masterlist just like there are also masterlists of furry evidence because Dan also joked about that one time too many. Why draw the eyes of the phandom to it if there is really something there to see?

I really think it's just his humour and if Phil's mum or anyone else in either of their families reads it they will get that (even if they don't think it's funny humour).

[karma_yeah]

I agree with pearshaped34, and although I do think they are together, I don’t think Dan is offering insight into what he likes in the bedroom. I think Dan is being Dan, and taking his escalating “kink” branding to “meme-extreme”.

Do I think he/they have some kinks? Sure, but they aren’t about to let us in on them.

[CoolDoggo]

Yeah, that's the kind of jokes i make with my friends, we're joking about furry, daddy and choking kink etc, but i don't think anyone from our group has these kinks for real. I mean, we joke about almost every kink possible ( ) so maybe someone has one of them, idk no kinkshaming. My sense of humour is kinda similar to Dan's so i get him and his bee movie yaoi jokes. I don't think we should look into it as if it was real, he's clearly joking. Even if these are his real kinks, he's making jokes, lauging about them and it shouldn't be read as "hey people i'm being honest with you i'm kinky this is a list of my kinks" but as "hey look it's funny, a joke, laugh"

I make jokes about my actual kinks a lot, so my friends don't know what are my real kinks and what am i joking about anymore ahuhuhu

[Philena]

Imo, Dan has been back to attention seeking for a bit now. Methinks the phandom has been a bit to Phil-centric lately, and Dan needs all eyes back on him. It's working! I actually think it's really cute. He has done it in such an adorable way.

[Laney]

I agree with pearshaped34, and although I do think they are together, I don’t think Dan is offering insight into what he likes in the bedroom. I think Dan is being Dan, and taking his escalating “kink” branding to “meme-extreme”.

Do I think he/they have some kinks? Sure, but they aren’t about to let us in on them.

Yep, this is exactly what I think as well. I couldn't have hoped for a better rebranding tbh, this escalating "kink branding" is extremely hilarious to me Kinky Dan is the best Dan

[lefthandedism]

Imo, Dan has been back to attention seeking for a bit now. Methinks the phandom has been a bit to Phil-centric lately, and Dan needs all eyes back on him. It's working! I actually think it's really cute. He has done it in such an adorable way.

I think this sums it up nicely. I'm one of those phans who's usually so focused on Dan--almost to the point of "Phil who?" --but I agree a lot more attention has been given to Phil recently .

And of course there's absolutely no reason to think that any of the kinks Dan talks about have anything to do with reality. Why would he advertise his kinks while not sharing anything else of his private life?

Similarly, there's no reason for Phil (or any family) to feel embarrassed or exposed--it's just Dan being Dan.

[papierklemmen]

i guess some people might be upset with dan's escalating kinky humour because the newly found openness and relaxed attitude of deppy, which a lot of people thought was their slow way to confirming their relationship without confirming it, is actually just part of the new "we are joking about phan" branding. i don't particularly care cause i like dan's humour, but someone might take it as queerbaiting some people had been accusing them of even before that

[alittledizzy]

i guess some people might be upset with dan's escalating kinky humour because the newly found openness and relaxed attitude of deppy, which a lot of people thought was their slow way to confirming their relationship without confirming it, is actually just part of the new "we are joking about phan" branding. i don't particularly care cause i like dan's humour, but someone might take it as queerbaiting some people had been accusing them of even before that

Is this one of those times where you're playing devil's advocate and we're not supposed to reply because you don't want people to think you mean this but you still want to be able to say it?

I haven't seen anyone lay that argument out like you just did. Nothing about how Dan and Phil are acting with each other (more relaxed, more fond) indicates 'joking about phan' to me. Dan's comments about kinky stuff aren't new, we just have more of them now because we have more content. If they made these videos a week apart for the next six months they'd probably still be making the exact same jokes, it just seems more intense because they're coming at a faster pace.

I'm not even going to touch the queerbaiting thing. If you want to accuse them of that, please own up to it in your own words and not as a 'some people' type of comment. Otherwise it feels like you're just trying to incite arguments. If that's not how you feel, maybe step back and let people who do feel that way come forward and make that case since they'd be more likely to want to actually defend their opinions with conviction.

[Amiaw]

I haven't seen anyone lay that argument out like you just did. Nothing about how Dan and Phil are acting with each other (more relaxed, more fond) indicates 'joking about phan' to me. Dan's comments about kinky stuff aren't new, we just have more of them now because we have more content. If they made these videos a week apart for the next six months they'd probably still be making the exact same jokes, it just seems more intense because they're coming at a faster pace.

I think, at least for me, you are right about this. Their behavior has shifted but it seems so intense because of the daily uploads. Some people are having trouble even just watching the videos because we have so much content and it really has been a goldmine in terms of seeing their growth.

I don't want to think badly about Deppy and I'd like to think that even if they have their "branding" that they are good people - and tbh other than regular human foibles they haven't done anything to deserve the distrust. I think it's a good time to just sit back and enjoy this time- who knows what their uploading will be like next year. Besides, I like Dan for his inappropriate sense of humor - that is not a new thing, and I like Phil for his closely guarded nerdy self.

[starlight-still]

Dan’s kink-keh tweet: When I saw that bad boy roll up in my notifications, I was as stunned as everyone. Uh, wasn’t expecting to see something like that on my phone during my pleasant holiday weekend. But now it just seems like an off-color and humorous way to share that he’s (finally?) feeling into the holiday spirit. The thing about lil Daniel is that the way he expresses himself can be coarse and kinky and strange one minute, then thoughtful and sincere and emotional the next. But I think it's all coming from the same place. He just wants to share how he’s feeling and connect with his audience and maybe make them chuckle a bit when they’re feeling the various stresses that come with this time of year rather than make any sort of statement about what goes on in his personal life or put people off their breakfasts (at least not intentionally). No matter how many tweets and comments like this he makes, I still think of him as a sweet person who wants to make others happy deep down.

Bangarang: I. laughed. So. Hard. During that video. Favorite one of the month so far, top space, hands down. As much as I enjoy deppy’s puzzle-solving and voice acting on other games, ain’t nothing like a good old fashioned showdown where they put all their energy in playfully attempting to destroy each other and both fail so miserably that the slightly-less-failing one wins. It’s silly, and a bit stupid but oh so much fun. I’m glad they put this one here, right before the home stretch, to give them that java shot of giggles they need to get them through the final week. Deps, I believed in you from the beginning and I believe in you now. Y’all do like Yuri now and chochocho gambaranba!
(innocentribenabtwnotshotsorwineorotheralcoholatalldontchaknow)

[fancy_nancy]

[offtopic]Louise mentioned Dan in her liveshow when someone said "Dan touched your boob" but I don't think she realized they were talking about the instagram picture because her reaction was p funny she seemed a bit weirded out (it happens between 14:34 and 14:56)

[/offtopic]

[shoe]

I have no problem with him liking shippy stuff I think it's great to see how far he has come from 2012. I just think it's weird that if they are together Phil lets him post kinky shit which can be described as their sex life at home. Imagine Phil's mum reading about Dan's kinks on Twitter and how embarrassed Phil would be. He is pretty much telling 4 million people on twitter what he likes in the bedroom.

The fact your last sentence would be true if Dan was a furry with an asphyxiation kink is what convinces me there is no truth to his jokes. By youtuber standards Dan (and Phil) are about as private as they come neither will so much as confirm they've been on as much as a date (with each other or anyone else) in the last 7 years so yeah I don't buy that Dan is trying to offer anyone insight into what he likes in the bedroom with these jokes.

I know some people think it's real and he is joking because he knows the vast majority won't take him seriously but he knows (better than most) how extra his fanbase is. Even if most don't take it as being real there will always be someone dedicated enough to spend the rest of eternity analysing every inch of his skin that we ever see for marks or signs of bruising so they can make an erotic asphyxiation masterlist just like there are also masterlists of furry evidence because Dan also joked about that one time too many. Why draw the eyes of the phandom to it if there is really something there to see?

I really think it's just his humour and if Phil's mum or anyone else in either of their families reads it they will get that (even if they don't think it's funny humour).

But why not? Shame? Dan doesn't seem to have much of that, which in my opinion is a good thing. Whether you believe he's sharing his actual kinks or not, he's been openly promoting the principle of not kink shaming for a while now.

Objectively, Dan's kinks are as much anyone else's business as what genders he may or may not be attracted to: completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't currently in, or seriously considering, a relationship with him. He's hinting or joking about male attraction. He's hinting or joking about kinks. What's the difference, other than social stigma?

[MoonPride]

Can I just add that I'm not offended by Dan's kink-esque tweets etc. I find myself laughing at them. I was just thinking of Phil and how he might be embarrassed if there was any truth to them and how Dan is possibly sharing what they might get up to in the bedroom in front of all his followers. I love this side of Dan it's refreshing to see him so comfortable in his tweets.

[pearshaped34]

I have no problem with him liking shippy stuff I think it's great to see how far he has come from 2012. I just think it's weird that if they are together Phil lets him post kinky shit which can be described as their sex life at home. Imagine Phil's mum reading about Dan's kinks on Twitter and how embarrassed Phil would be. He is pretty much telling 4 million people on twitter what he likes in the bedroom.

The fact your last sentence would be true if Dan was a furry with an asphyxiation kink is what convinces me there is no truth to his jokes. By youtuber standards Dan (and Phil) are about as private as they come neither will so much as confirm they've been on as much as a date (with each other or anyone else) in the last 7 years so yeah I don't buy that Dan is trying to offer anyone insight into what he likes in the bedroom with these jokes.

I know some people think it's real and he is joking because he knows the vast majority won't take him seriously but he knows (better than most) how extra his fanbase is. Even if most don't take it as being real there will always be someone dedicated enough to spend the rest of eternity analysing every inch of his skin that we ever see for marks or signs of bruising so they can make an erotic asphyxiation masterlist just like there are also masterlists of furry evidence because Dan also joked about that one time too many. Why draw the eyes of the phandom to it if there is really something there to see?

I really think it's just his humour and if Phil's mum or anyone else in either of their families reads it they will get that (even if they don't think it's funny humour).

But why not? Shame? Dan doesn't seem to have much of that, which in my opinion is a good thing. Whether you believe he's sharing his actual kinks or not, he's been openly promoting the principle of not kink shaming for a while now.

Objectively, Dan's kinks are as much anyone else's business as what genders he may or may not be attracted to: completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't currently in, or seriously considering, a relationship with him. He's hinting or joking about male attraction. He's hinting or joking about kinks. What's the difference, other than social stigma?

I don't think Dan's sex life is like his sexuality and something we should be expecting him to get more open with in time I think it will always between him and whoever he shares a bed with. So no it's not that I think Dan is or should be ashamed if he likes things that aren't considered the social norm it's that I think Dan wants to keep his fans completely out of that area of his life because he values his privacy. .
It's not about whether his sex life is kinky or not (to me anyway) it's about whether he'd be okay with his fans knowing anything about said sex life and I honestly don't think he would. JMO.
I think even if he is really vanilla in private and only interested in doing it missionary with the lights out once a month he is not going to be sharing titbits of that with fans in on twitter anytime soon. Joking about kinky sex is one thing, joking about it when it's based on your actual sex-life is not something I'd personally think Dan would do.

[fancybum]

But why not? Shame? Dan doesn't seem to have much of that, which in my opinion is a good thing. Whether you believe he's sharing his actual kinks or not, he's been openly promoting the principle of not kink shaming for a while now.

Objectively, Dan's kinks are as much anyone else's business as what genders he may or may not be attracted to: completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't currently in, or seriously considering, a relationship with him. He's hinting or joking about male attraction. He's hinting or joking about kinks. What's the difference, other than social stigma?

True, I'm just happy he's expressing himself however he likes. See on one hand, I don't really think he's a furry, but on the other hand, it's something he's been mentioning (joking about) for years at this point, right? So it's on his mind or he's drawn to something about it. Which is enough to make me wonder how into it he really is, which is fine as he doesn't appear to be mocking it. I was getting nervous about a possible argument along the lines of 'he jokes about being a furry and he's not one, so what does that say about his 'jokes' about male attraction..' but the thing is, there can be truth in anything you joke about (especially if it's something that pops up consistently over a period of time.. and especially if you're not actually joking a lot of the time but that's not an argument happening right now but I'm just saying a jokey attitude doesn't dismiss the intent and meanings of words or dun dun dun entire sexualities) and it could be the person testing the waters for how things sound to themselves as well as how people around them take something. Does this even make sense. Like even if he's not a full-on furry, maybe aspects of it appeal to him (coughandphilcough). Same with the choking thing (actually, especially the choking thing. That's not exactly a niche kink). The main thing is whenever he 'jokes' about something, it's also backed up with an accepting attitude and support of 'not kink shaming'/'nothing wrong with x if that's what you're into' etc. So. No harm no foul, kink it up. (Is there an argument for joking about things as a way of normalising them, but in a positive way? I'm too lazy to make it, but just a thought).

[sherotrash]

I love Dan's tweets, I like his sense of humor. But I do think there could be some truth in it, just not completely. I know I sometimes joke about things that are partly true, but exaggerate it so much you couldn't tell. It's a weird way of testing what people's reactions are to things or something
Or maybe it really is just because these kink/daddy memes are popular now.

(btw thanks to the people who gave their view on the shots thing, it sounds silly but it really did worry me, so thanks late thank you but these threads move so fast lol)

[Stakhanov]

i guess some people might be upset with dan's escalating kinky humour because the newly found openness and relaxed attitude of deppy, which a lot of people thought was their slow way to confirming their relationship without confirming it, is actually just part of the new "we are joking about phan" branding. i don't particularly care cause i like dan's humour, but someone might take it as queerbaiting some people had been accusing them of even before that

Is this one of those times where you're playing devil's advocate and we're not supposed to reply because you don't want people to think you mean this but you still want to be able to say it?

I haven't seen anyone lay that argument out like you just did. Nothing about how Dan and Phil are acting with each other (more relaxed, more fond) indicates 'joking about phan' to me. Dan's comments about kinky stuff aren't new, we just have more of them now because we have more content. If they made these videos a week apart for the next six months they'd probably still be making the exact same jokes, it just seems more intense because they're coming at a faster pace.

I'm not even going to touch the queerbaiting thing. If you want to accuse them of that, please own up to it in your own words and not as a 'some people' type of comment. Otherwise it feels like you're just trying to incite arguments. If that's not how you feel, maybe step back and let people who do feel that way come forward and make that case since they'd be more likely to want to actually defend their opinions with conviction.

Hi all, been way to long since i've been on IDB so i'm just gonna drop right into the current discussion or i'll be dead and gone before i'm up to date. And gamingsmass already.kills.my.fluffy.heart.every.day.

I think papierklemmen (are you a dutch lady or gentleman btw? I recognize the dutch word and it's a peculiar nickname for a fanforum) hints at an idea that i've had too. But you're wording it very vaguely so i'm not sure what you're saying.

I believe that both Dan and Phil's humor has gotten a bit more explicit, really the jokes are in the same vein as in the previous universe (wow that was a terrible joke) but in my opinion they are just pulling fewer punches. And there's just a lot more video's than we're used too. And who know how much eggnog they're drinking

One possibility is that (part of) the jokes and / or (part) of their behaviour
1) comes from a self awareness that a large part of their audiences enjoy sexual jokes with a sexual homoerotic content
2) and at the same time they have decided to make content with more of those jokes, possibly
intending to rouse interest with as many viewers and fans as possible
3) and that it has nothing to do with their comfort level with each other and is not in any way related to the nature of their relationship.

Wow, an summation nobody deserved this i just didn't have the English skill to put that into a fluent sentence.
Anyway it's just one line of thought and I don't see how it should necessarily lead to claims of them 'rebranding' or queerbaiting (whatever that even means). I don't assume the worst of motives when they do something, if I thought they were like that I wouldn't be on their fanforum. As about everything with it's very ambivalent.

On a more fun note, I'm excited about the video for tonight. Bless Phil, as mentionned a page or so back Dan and his bohemian work method would have never given us all this content. I feel like there's so much content we hardly take the time to talk about it.

Undertale vids have been great i'm falling in love with the creator (Toby Fox) he really knows how to capture that sense of wonder and vulnerability that's present in geek gaming culture. I'm trying to get more of a feel about the napstabloke character as Dan so explicitly identifies with him but i'm not totally relating. When he first appeared in the game, he game me similar vibes to that proverbial "sensitive friend who probably eats to many magic mushrooms and likes to listen to spacey music while he's tripping, laying down on the bed" Which tbh does sound very similar to the everyday existential crisis TM Dan so often talks about without talking about If he just relates to napstablook as his socially awkward teen self who listened to a lot of music and liked food ... well that sounds pretty reletable

Gang beasts was a lot of fun. Somebody mentioned that their friendship really shines in these kinds of vids and I agree. That's male bonding for you: do something together like playing a stupid yet competitive game, compliment each other with the best of insults and let the bants flow

[SquishPhan]

5:48: this entire sequence of phil killing dan: drop, catch, and success. I was just rooting for that little green chicken.

Same.

6:36: don’t fall down the crack...instantly falls. Also this applies to the whole video but god the comic sans commentary was on point.

Completely agree, the comic sans were amazing this vid.

7:51: im not letting go (Jack) and then they both die. How the Titanic should have ended.

That would have made it a better movie imo.

8: 53: i’ll grab you. I’ll save you. Save me. No save me. Nooooooo. Philll where were you?

This part made me laugh so much.

9:32: I am fond of their tangents in the middle of games.

Me too.

12:07: this game is like us if we actually had a fight (do not take this timestamp seriously. Just let me live in my trashcan ).

That was cute.

12:41: danisnotabear and acluckingphil.

All these have been great.