Dan & Phil Part 34: It's a post-baking universe

[MoonPride]

I have a question for those who think they are now "subliminally" coming out, how does tatinof tie into all of this?
If they are now making it obvious they are a couple, wouldn't it mean admitting the image they projected during tatinof was fake?
And, if you were in their shoes, would you want to do that?

How are they faking an image? You can be best friends and be in love. They just choose to emphasise on the friendship more imo while keeping their private life behind the camera private.

[confusedpanda]

I have a question for those who think they are now "subliminally" coming out, how does tatinof tie into all of this?
If they are now making it obvious they are a couple, wouldn't it mean admitting the image they projected during tatinof was fake?
And, if you were in their shoes, would you want to do that?

Well, technically they already said in the explanation video for tabinof that tatinof/tabinof was never about them, but what they've built and created online. Since everything they built with their online persona has been cemented and is done with for the most part, this is the start of a new beginning. But that doesn't mean that their friendship isn't fake, just the they are only platonic would be a white lie. And honestly, I don't see a problem with it. Because relationships are supposed to have a strong friendship as well as romance. The romance aspect could've been something they just didn't feel was necessary to show during the timing of tatinof.
But now that it's over, they can (possibly) slowly hint at the fact that they are indeed in a relationship. And doing it slowly is a good way to do it without causing mass media attention.
This is messy but what I'm trying to say is that tatinof doesn't tie into them "subliminally" coming out because they already said that it was about their branding of friendship that they showed online, not them, and definitely not their relationship.

[malday]

I don't necessarily think they're 'subliminally coming out' so can't really speak to that, but what about how they presented themselves in tatinof was fake? Specifically?

(edit: like what would be fake in hindsight in the case that they were now coming out/whatever?)

Being platonic friends.

Well, technically they already said in the explanation video for tabinof that tatinof/tabinof was never about them, but what they've built and created online. Since everything they built with their online persona has been cemented and is done with for the most part, this is the start of a new beginning. But that doesn't mean that their friendship isn't fake, just the they are only platonic would be a white lie. And honestly, I don't see a problem with it. Because relationships are supposed to have a strong friendship as well as romance. The romance aspect could've been something they just didn't feel was necessary to show during the timing of tatinof.
But now that it's over, they can (possibly) slowly hint at the fact that they are indeed in a relationship. And doing it slowly is a good way to do it without causing mass media attention.
This is messy but what I'm trying to say is that tatinof doesn't tie into them "subliminally" coming out because they already said that it was about their branding of friendship that they showed online, not them, and definitely not their relationship.

Do you remember when they said this specifically? A liveshow, interview?

[pilotlight]

I have a question for those who think they are now "subliminally" coming out, how does tatinof tie into all of this?
If they are now making it obvious they are a couple, wouldn't it mean admitting the image they projected during tatinof was fake?
And, if you were in their shoes, would you want to do that?

I'm not one that's claiming that they're subliminally coming out, but I don't think being best friends and being a couple are mutually exclusive, and I don't think it's fake for them to be selective about which parts of their live they choose to share with their audience. Tatinof was based on their friendship and specific exaggerated things from their youtube channels. If they have a romantic relationship also, it's unrelated to that, so imo there would be no reason to mention it in the show.

As for being in their shoes, I would be scared to put a relationship "out there" like that. The countries they toured might not be the most homophobic in the grand scheme of things, but I think admitting a romantic relationship would potentially make things more complicated and tense. With the tour being over, it might feel more safe for them to let their guards down, even if they don't plan on actually talking about their privates lives.
But I'm not them and don't think like they do so it's kind of irrelevant what I would do in their shoes.

[Ablissa]

[offtopic]I've been looking at their channels on socialblade and found some things I don't quite understand, can anybody explain?
One, why is Phil's channel allegedly claimed by the network "AEs9f6wWiJPjmyW58HpGjA", http://socialblade.com/youtube/network/ ... myw58hpgja ?
Two, how come both of their main channels are grade B and DAPG is grade A-? What is it based on?

Thanks if anyone can fill me in [/offtopic]

[sentinel]

[offtopic]I've been looking at their channels on socialblade and found some things I don't quite understand, can anybody explain?
One, why is Phil's channel allegedly claimed by the network "AEs9f6wWiJPjmyW58HpGjA", http://socialblade.com/youtube/network/ ... myw58hpgja ?
Two, how come both of their main channels are grade B and DAPG is grade A-? What is it based on?

Thanks if anyone can fill me in [/offtopic]

Phil's network is named after the DanAndPhilCrafts channel url I'm dying what a fucking nerd

[confusedpanda]

This is messy but what I'm trying to say is that tatinof doesn't tie into them "subliminally" coming out because they already said that it was about their branding of friendship that they showed online, not them, and definitely not their relationship.

Do you remember when they said this specifically? A liveshow, interview?

I was paraphrasing what I said in my first part of my post with the bolded. They didnt specifically say what was bolded. But they did basically imply it. Here's the part of the book and tour video that first mentioned where they do say that.

go to 52 seconds in

"Our book story begain about a year ago. We were thinking about Dan and Phil, not ourselves but specifically this world of dan and phil that we created here on youtube."

That right there is one time they said that it was "the world of dan and phil" they created and wanted to preserve. There's probably been more instants of this in multiple live shows over that past year and a half but I don't have time to go though all of those right now.
And when watching the story of tatinof, it was mentioned yet again that it has to do with the world they created and made on their youtube channel and how to turn that into a stage show. The point of tatinof was to turn dinof and ap into something we can all look back on and remember that was a thing that happened. I'm not sure how if they were to start slowly coming out now, how tatinof would be lying about their relationship irl, if its based on personas they themselves made over the course of 5 years (at the time it was first produced).
That part of their lives is done, and now it's time to see what else they can do. And maybe, them slowly coming out or whatever is apart of what they want to do next. Time will only tell, honestly.

[karma_yeah]

[offtopic]Many of you are probably too young to know who George Michael was, (Brits will probably be more familiar) but I just wanted to say how sorry I am that the music world has lost George Michael, singer, song-writer and philanthropist[/offtopic]

[papierklemmen]

i'm really glad that melon lord and gnostic already expressed a lot of my thoughts because lately i realised im not articulate enough to express opinions without coming off as an asshole lol. i really don't see what a lot of ppl see e.g. tension, heart eyes etc. (i'm always surprised when someone says that dan is checking phil out in a specific moment, because i'm a compulsive lip biter and do it during conversations a lot, and also have a habit of looking up & down people's faces and looking at their lips/teeth when tney're talking... do i come off as horny as fuck? i should probably control myself).

but i also don't agree with the "people see what they want to see" narrative. when i look at deppy, i want to see a successful lgbt power couple. they would rock the world! ESPECIALLY as bisexual/pan/no lables guys - there is a serious lack of representation in that department. that's why i was so quick to put phan goggles on when i thought i saw glimpses of something "more than just friends" in the earlier gamingmas videos. i try to look at their "moments" from all angles and see what other people see but a lot of times... there's just nothing. and me hoping they are together won't make it a reality.

anyway, the bloopers didn't really give me any food for thought, i thought it was just mindless fun it was supposed to be, so hopefully there will be something else to discuss in 2017.

[Rai]

Hello there!

I just wanted to say that Christmas has been a very bad time for me, and Deppy have helped me to (emotionally) survive during this month. That's is what has been decisive for me to join the forum, because honestly, I don't know what I would have done without a daily moment of peace. I think Dan was right, these holidays a rough for many people, and their effort to upload every day made me a little bit less sad. Besides, I always enjoy analysing their videos in depth , and it's great to have a place to do it with nice and polite people.

And, btw, I'm so so sorry, English is not my mother tongue, please correct me if I misspell something in a horrible way. I hope you enjoy the rest of the holidays!

[fancybum]

I don't necessarily think they're 'subliminally coming out' so can't really speak to that, but what about how they presented themselves in tatinof was fake? Specifically?

(edit: like what would be fake in hindsight in the case that they were now coming out/whatever?)

Being platonic friends.

confusedpanda and pilotlight basically covered everything in response to that, but I would even say that nothing in tatinof suggested just platonic-ness. Friendship, yes. But even a couple wouldn't want to be forced to act out fanfiction against their will (which is the only thing immediately coming to mind from the show that could be pointed at like 'that's some platonic stuff right there'. Is there more I'm forgetting?).

Whatever else they may or may not be, they are literally best friends. Dan Howell and Phil Lester. But the show starred dinof and AP who, also, are literally best friends. Nothing in any of that is projecting a fake image; at most, it's just ignoring parts of the full image. And the full image includes their private lives that aren't meant to be part of the show anyway. So I don't know where the issue is.

Also: Rai and all the other new people/lurkers popping up! Join in and please don't worry about your english or grammar or whatever, nobody's judging anybody for that around here, no worries

[gnostic]

i'm really glad that melon lord and gnostic already expressed a lot of my thoughts because lately i realised im not articulate enough to express opinions without coming off as an asshole lol. i really don't see what a lot of ppl see e.g. tension, heart eyes etc. (i'm always surprised when someone says that dan is checking phil out in a specific moment, because i'm a compulsive lip biter and do it during conversations a lot, and also have a habit of looking up & down people's faces and looking at their lips/teeth when tney're talking... do i come off as horny as fuck? i should probably control myself).

but i also don't agree with the "people see what they want to see" narrative. when i look at deppy, i want to see a successful lgbt power couple. they would rock the world! ESPECIALLY as bisexual/pan/no lables guys - there is a serious lack of representation in that department. that's why i was so quick to put phan goggles on when i thought i saw glimpses of something "more than just friends" in the earlier gamingmas videos. i try to look at their "moments" from all angles and see what other people see but a lot of times... there's just nothing. and me hoping they are together won't make it a reality.

anyway, the bloopers didn't really give me any food for thought, i thought it was just mindless fun it was supposed to be, so hopefully there will be something else to discuss in 2017.

I feel you so hard on the bolded part. Beyond all of that, Deppy as a couple would just be amazingly cute, your epic #trulov story. I even read/write phanfiction i confess, the only RPS i could ever consider doing that for, with whole Dan and Phil encouraging it, making insane money off it, and having a fanfiction section in their bloody tour, i think it's okay to make this exception. Finally, I would have wanted them to be a couple for their own sake: it's gotta be... challenging to date in their current position, both fans wise, and "y'all too damn codependent" (c) wise.

But I just don't see it.

This might be the only time in my entire life where i would be glad to be proven wrong. Knock me out cold, Deppy, come on.

[karma_yeah]

but i also don't agree with the "people see what they want to see" narrative. when i look at deppy, i want to see a successful lgbt power couple. they would rock the world! ESPECIALLY as bisexual/pan/no lables guys - there is a serious lack of representation in that department. that's why i was so quick to put phan goggles on when i thought i saw glimpses of something "more than just friends" in the earlier gamingmas videos. i try to look at their "moments" from all angles and see what other people see but a lot of times... there's just nothing. and me hoping they are together won't make it a reality.

I'm not sure how you're interpreting "people see what they want to see", but what I was talking about was the psychological theory of projection: from wikipedia: "a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others".

It's not a big deal, it's just my opinion. You don't see anything more than platonic bros, and that's equally valid. The truth is, we just don't know. I certainly don't want you to feel pressured (or pressure yourself) into believing something that isn't true for you. Like Dan says, "you be you, believe in yourself"

And welcome Rai! Hopefully have given you lots of wonderful content you can look back on and smile at.

[SquishPhan]

For me it is the other way around and I find it hard to see how anyone cannot see the heart eyes howell at certain times.
Their chemistry, the way they just work together plus their history makes me believe that they are in a relationship. And I always find it hard to believe that other people don't see it. Like that makes no sense to me.

[malday]

This is messy but what I'm trying to say is that tatinof doesn't tie into them "subliminally" coming out because they already said that it was about their branding of friendship that they showed online, not them, and definitely not their relationship.

Do you remember when they said this specifically? A liveshow, interview?

I was paraphrasing what I said in my first part of my post with the bolded. They didnt specifically say what was bolded. But they did basically imply it. Here's the part of the book and tour video that first mentioned where they do say that.

go to 52 seconds in

"Our book story begain about a year ago. We were thinking about Dan and Phil, not ourselves but specifically this world of dan and phil that we created here on youtube."

That right there is one time they said that it was "the world of dan and phil" they created and wanted to preserve. There's probably been more instants of this in multiple live shows over that past year and a half but I don't have time to go though all of those right now.
And when watching the story of tatinof, it was mentioned yet again that it has to do with the world they created and made on their youtube channel and how to turn that into a stage show. The point of tatinof was to turn dinof and ap into something we can all look back on and remember that was a thing that happened. I'm not sure how if they were to start slowly coming out now, how tatinof would be lying about their relationship irl, if its based on personas they themselves made over the course of 5 years (at the time it was first produced).
That part of their lives is done, and now it's time to see what else they can do. And maybe, them slowly coming out or whatever is apart of what they want to do next. Time will only tell, honestly.

That makes sense, thank you!

[uglyamerican]

..... I also have a hard time seeing all the moments other people talk about (& same where you say not trying to invalidate what others do think) however I don't get frustrated by my thoughts like you do. The other reason I am lukewarm to the whole are they together or not is because I just don't care. It wouldn't change the reason I enjoy watching them (the bants, their personalities, their attitudes in general). For me, deppy are a distraction from real life, they make the crappy bits of life more fun for me and if they came out/kept being ambiguous/announced they had other partners it wouldn't change anything for me......


Gamingmas has been amazing. Having so many videos and so much content has been kind of overwhelming but I'm not complaining. It just reinforces to me that deppy are a good pair to stan, they are hard working and try hard to make their audience happy. I don't watch a lot of youtubers but they're definitely two that no one can say don't care about their audience. Going to be sad that there isn't something daily to come home to.

Same.

[annetamiau]

Okay guys:
1. Flirty af in 2009 ('I want to be there so you don't have to be brave' and other famous quotes, but lots and lots of ordinary 'I miss you's and 'I can't wait for the weekend's. Also #distancesucks).
2. Dan goes to Manchester University, spends a lot of time at Phil's 1 bedroom apartment, finally moves in with him. They take a holiday to Portugal just because they want to.
4. They move to London together, socialise and act as a unit, even when Dan is all like 'Phil is doing Phil things in his Phil life' and Phil is like 'I wonder who my future wife is'. They continue to socialise and act as a unit four years in.
5. Japhan, their dream trip, with their fancy suite that looks designed for newlyweds.
6. Single since 2009 and nothing indicates they want their current situation to change.
Bonus: voldy

People talk about heart eyes and flirting, but I can tell you that's not what seals the deal for the majority of us phannies. (I know, it could all be a coincidence or they could have been tricking the fans for 7 years, but still, it's quite a lot to explain).

Happy holidays!

[Lobster]

Related to nothing, I just found this funny

[kusunoki masashige]

I was paraphrasing what I said in my first part of my post with the bolded. They didnt specifically say what was bolded. But they did basically imply it. Here's the part of the book and tour video that first mentioned where they do say that.

go to 52 seconds in

"Our book story begain about a year ago. We were thinking about Dan and Phil, not ourselves but specifically this world of dan and phil that we created here on youtube."

That right there is one time they said that it was "the world of dan and phil" they created and wanted to preserve. There's probably been more instants of this in multiple live shows over that past year and a half but I don't have time to go though all of those right now.
And when watching the story of tatinof, it was mentioned yet again that it has to do with the world they created and made on their youtube channel and how to turn that into a stage show. The point of tatinof was to turn dinof and ap into something we can all look back on and remember that was a thing that happened. I'm not sure how if they were to start slowly coming out now, how tatinof would be lying about their relationship irl, if its based on personas they themselves made over the course of 5 years (at the time it was first produced).
That part of their lives is done, and now it's time to see what else they can do. And maybe, them slowly coming out or whatever is apart of what they want to do next. Time will only tell, honestly.

That quote from the bour video might be quintessential to everything they do. They decided a long time ago that they don't want to share certain aspects of their lives. The book and tour were all about the stuff they do share and about the relationship with their audience. So IF they decide now that they want to share more or other aspects of their lives, I really can't see it as them lying. But I actually don't think they really want to change anything major like that and I certainly don't see them coming out or anything. I am pretty convinced they're together, but that's not because of anything they do in front of a camera (nowadays). Their interactions don't seem flirty to me and I don't get the whole "heart eyes howell" thing, so I kind of understand where you "nonbelievers" are coming from, but I don't read them as platonic either. They don't come across as lovey-dovey to me but there is a fondness and softness between these two…I don't know, do the longterm couples you know alway give off coupley vibes, especially when they're in public? Maybe my friends and siblings are weird...

Anyways, maybe they want to change dinof and ap and are more relaxed about how they interact in front of a camera, but they are still very selective about what they share with us - like Phil willingly told us about his plans to attend a wedding when it was clear that Dan won't go but neither of them ever mentioned the wedding of a friend they attended together a couple of months ago. If they are a couple they clearly still don't want us to know - which I totally understand - and I don't think they would post a video that would make it obvious in any way.

[tymyky]

Okay guys:
1. Flirty af in 2009 ('I want to be there so you don't have to be brave' and other famous quotes, but lots and lots of ordinary 'I miss you's and 'I can't wait for the weekend's. Also #distancesucks).
2. Dan goes to Manchester University, spends a lot of time at Phil's 1 bedroom apartment, finally moves in with him. They take a holiday to Portugal just because they want to.
4. They move to London together, socialise and act as a unit, even when Dan is all like 'Phil is doing Phil things in his Phil life' and Phil is like 'I wonder who my future wife is'. They continue to socialise and act as a unit four years in.
5. Japhan, their dream trip, with their fancy suite that looks designed for newlyweds.
6. Single since 2009 and nothing indicates they want their current situation to change.
Bonus: voldy

People talk about heart eyes and flirting, but I can tell you that's not what seals the deal for the majority of us phannies. (I know, it could all be a coincidence or they could have been tricking the fans for 7 years, but still, it's quite a lot to explain).

Happy holidays!

Yes, all of this. I couldn't care less about some heart eyes or touching, the things that make me believe that they are a couple are the ones you listed. I mean noone will ever persuade me that voldy was some kind of a prank. Maybe they aren't together now (which I hardly doubt), but they definitely were a couple back then and in my eyes voldy is real. I was here during the 2012 rants and I have never thought they are not together.

And I get the fact that some of you see things differenty and I totally respect that, but the only think that will make me believe they are not together is when they will move out into separate houses.

[melon lord]

Related to nothing, I just found this funny

OH MY GOD

If you hear screaming in the distance it's me howling with laughter

I will never be tired of the "gets faster" meme, never

Also, yes, a lot of things point to them being together

I'm also a cynical fuck and think that it's too ideal and fairytale and like how the heck are they going through SO MUCH and so many awful people and snooping people and shitty people and are still going strong? Like it's too perfect for me, but maybe I'm just a miserable shit that can't accept that something goes right for someone else

[MoonPride]

I'd still watch them even if they wasn't together, It's not a deal breaker for me. But I personally believe they are a couple and like tymky will only accept they are just friends if they move out into seperate houses.

[gnostic]

Related to nothing, I just found this funny

OH MY GOD

If you hear screaming in the distance it's me howling with laughter

I will never be tired of the "gets faster" meme, never

Also, yes, a lot of things point to them being together

I'm also a cynical fuck and think that it's too ideal and fairytale and like how the heck are they going through SO MUCH and so many awful people and snooping people and shitty people and are still going strong? Like it's too perfect for me, but maybe I'm just a miserable shit that can't accept that something goes right for someone else

That end giggle killed me

[papierklemmen]

meh, the 2009etc stuff is classic. i thought we were mostly talking about the "new developments" i.e. that for a lot of people gamingmas/the bloopers sealed the deal that they are a couple while some (like me) are still pretty much on the same "i'm on the fence" level as before

[hannah]

Also, yes, a lot of things point to them being together

I'm also a cynical fuck and think that it's too ideal and fairytale and like how the heck are they going through SO MUCH and so many awful people and snooping people and shitty people and are still going strong? Like it's too perfect for me, but maybe I'm just a miserable shit that can't accept that something goes right for someone else

same though. there are so many coincidences that have fallen in with the entire idea of those two being together, or just them in general. Like for an example, that video of phil saying "sorry girls, i've chosen daniel" or his old buffyphil account where he comments something like "i think stalking a person to become their friend is rather weird" and not to mention their entire story of meeting sounds like something ripped straight out of a movie or a book, voldy conveniently being leaked, all the evidence put next to the anti evidence and somehow maintaining that perfect ambiguity like a timelord is arranging everything in place, but then you remember these are real life people and its just?

oops im rambling again