EDIT: Ugh of course this is at the top of the page. I'm sorry! I really hope this doesn't break any rules.
Hi, so I feel really creepy mentioning this because it seems super stalkerish and after Dan's tweet today I'm convinced he lurks here but whatever. I also have no proof because I wasn't about to take a picture (and even if I had it would have just been of a random van on a street in London to most of you) so feel free to not believe me but...
I have lived in the area of London D&P live in for 20 years - my whole life except uni and a few years afterwards. I've never seen them 'in the wild', but I know the area very well, to the point where I can sometimes recognise where they are if they take photos in the area (e.g. Dan's Instagram of the street that inspired 'The Urge'), or sometimes in the Festive DITL I could tell what Tube station they were in even though they didn't really show it, etc.
I know it sounds really weird but I've lived there since I was born, I've walked down their road at least once almost every day of my life, I guess it's just happy coincidence they live here and I'm a fan - or not that happy because it makes me feel like I'm invading their privacy just living my life really.
Anyway, in November I got a job in the area too, so yay less horrible London commuting! But I now have to walk past what I'm 99% sure is their building at least 4 times a week (I always feel very nervous when I'm doing this as if I'm doing something wrong!).
There haven't been any to-rent or for-sale signs on their building since I've been regularly walking past in November, but today at lunchtime there was a moving van half-filled with furniture right outside their door.
It could potentially have been loading/unloading into a nearby flat or shop, and I didn't get that good of a look at what was inside it to see if I recognised any furniture but I thought it was a big coincidence and wanted to share with the group! It was still there when I walked back about an hour later but I was on the other side of the street so didn't see if it was fuller or emptier or what.
Thanks blackdenim, that could have been for literally anybody but still.. you never know.. Plus with them being so off the radar what else are we supposed to do other than dive into some crazy conspiracy theorizing. Here's mine: they're moving and they've been planning it all along. Phil purposely faked us out by telling us he'd do a liveshow this week and planted the seeds for cancelling it with claiming to get sick on New Years. But he's not sick, he just bought himself another week to sneakily move before they need to admit it. Maybe just Phil moved out and they've spent the week pre-filming (loool sure) to cover for it for a few weeks/months. Soon the conspiracy theory about their flat being a set will be at least half-true What a pair of platonic scamps.
If Dan cancels on Tuesday I'm going to sue them both.
I wouldn't think they would be moving at this time of year, mostly because their lease usually gets renewed around summertime, and it would be harder to leave their flat before their lease is ended.
"I think stalking someone to become their friend is rather weird" - Phil Lester, 2006
maybe they're moving before the lease is up to throw off the fans!
before the apartment even gets listed on real estate sites, they'd be long gone, suckaz !
p.s. doubt dan lurks here, every corner of the phandom suffers from danranoia thinking he is lurking on their blog/twitter etc.
They do share a building with a few other people, so It seems way more likely that one of the other tenants might have someone moving in with them or something, rather than it being related to Dan and Phil moving. Honestly, while they do complain of lack of space in the flat, I don't think they're in that much of a rush to move anywhere right now. So I'm not sure how this is a coincidence to anything at all?
Also maybe it's just me but I get this feeling the fans want them to move way more than they do. I don't know if it's because some think it'll confirm/deny phan or if it's just so they can get a dog or what. But the moving discussion is for sure talked about way more among fans that it with them dropping bigger hints of moving then just the storage stuff.
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I mean who cares about the lease if they're highly motivated? They could keep paying while letting a friend stay there. Or they've blackmailed their landlord into letting them out of it early because he's breaking laws just letting himself in with no warning like a scary pervert (short tmi story: that's why I moved out of my last apartment ) or like I said, just one of them moved. Also logic has no place in conspiracy theories shh. Or something something aliens.
Side note: I'm also interested in the 'thoughts on Phil's rebranding' question and looking forward to other people answering. I'm working (cough) rn so can't go all in with it, but my first thought was the last two instagram photos are a subtle little change. Just taking a scroll through previous pics he tends to have them be kind of jokey or odd, but the last two were just him looking good. No open mouth face, nothing taking away from him just looking fucking great and happy. It's such a small thing but I feel like it points to an overall shift to more sincerity/realness of a sort. Less self-conscious. It's small but it makes me happy.
blackdenim wrote:EDIT: Ugh of course this is at the top of the page. I'm sorry! I really hope this doesn't break any rules.
Hi, so I feel really creepy mentioning this because it seems super stalkerish and after Dan's tweet today I'm convinced he lurks here but whatever. I also have no proof because I wasn't about to take a picture (and even if I had it would have just been of a random van on a street in London to most of you) so feel free to not believe me but...
I have lived in the area of London D&P live in for 20 years - my whole life except uni and a few years afterwards. I've never seen them 'in the wild', but I know the area very well, to the point where I can sometimes recognise where they are if they take photos in the area (e.g. Dan's Instagram of the street that inspired 'The Urge'), or sometimes in the Festive DITL I could tell what Tube station they were in even though they didn't really show it, etc.
I know it sounds really weird but I've lived there since I was born, I've walked down their road at least once almost every day of my life, I guess it's just happy coincidence they live here and I'm a fan - or not that happy because it makes me feel like I'm invading their privacy just living my life really.
Anyway, in November I got a job in the area too, so yay less horrible London commuting! But I now have to walk past what I'm 99% sure is their building at least 4 times a week (I always feel very nervous when I'm doing this as if I'm doing something wrong!).
There haven't been any to-rent or for-sale signs on their building since I've been regularly walking past in November, but today at lunchtime there was a moving van half-filled with furniture right outside their door.
It could potentially have been loading/unloading into a nearby flat or shop, and I didn't get that good of a look at what was inside it to see if I recognised any furniture but I thought it was a big coincidence and wanted to share with the group! It was still there when I walked back about an hour later but I was on the other side of the street so didn't see if it was fuller or emptier or what.
lurker wrote:agreed with this. whether you like / relate to quotes of the sort or not / find them funny or exhausting / etc. is a matter of taste, of course, but ultimately we don't know how genuine they are.
thanks ^_^ idk how i feel about referring to the 'genuineness' of dan and phil though? like to a point its easy to tell somethings that are disingenuine and others that are genuine, but there is certainly a lot of grey area. in general though, i try to think of them both as complex people with complex thoughts and feelings which we will never be privy to the whole story of, so they deserve the respect of being able to have emotions without a hoard of people examining it constantly? wow does this even make sense i dont even know anymore.
000dia000 wrote:People spamming Phil's instance with blue hearts so he won't see any hate comments from markiplier fans. I wish I wasn't making this up. Phil wouldn't read instagram comments a month after uploading a picture, some people really need a hobby outlet outside of the phandom if they think this is necessary. Honestly, it's one of those situations best ignored, it will sort itself out.
yeah, the funny part about this to me is that dan and phil literally never have and never will care about this stuff? they said years ago that while they appreciate things we vote on for them, its all kind of pointless and a waste of time, and they would rather us do something better with our time because they appreciate us without a stupid award designed to draw traffic to a web page (usually for profit). like, phil is probably so confused, and if takes the time to bother figuring out what its about, im sure he could honestly care less. which is why the fact that they're spamming hate and fighting and stuff is just hilarious, because its falling on deaf ears and he's never going to validate it with a response.
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alittledizzy wrote:
mermaid blood wrote:question to those who feel Phil is disrupting his own branding lately: could you expand on why with some examples? i'm nosey.
This is a great question. Phil's reband is a hot topic lately, but I wonder if people have different interpretations of exactly how he's rebranding? What do people expect from his next video?
i don't really know what to expect, but i hope he surprises me and i wish it's not "just" a "this is what i've been up to lately and in other news here's a funny thing that happened" type of video. don't get me wrong, i'm not being negative about these, but my phil-alone favourite videos of the last year were probably the future quiz and the 5$ internet experiment and i kind of hope for something more along these lines? what do you guys think, i'm curious about everyone's opinions now!
RE: phil rebranding i think phil's rebranding isnt even a 'rebrand' to me, in the sense that he used to act this way all the time? like in the back of my mind for YEARS i have been waiting for old school phil to return and recently i've been so pleased like YES MY TIME IS NIGH. so, i think he's slowly opening up more and returning to his more natural 'fun, weird, but also a little adult' self on camera. i do, personally think, that this will only apply to the gaming channel. i sincerely hope we get it on AP, but im highly doubting it. it seems like they dont really care about individual channels as much as the joint channel anyways since the tour, so i mean thats fine i guess, but i dont think he's gonna change it up too terribly much on there (i would be pleased to be wrong, but i understand why he wouldnt do so).
simmehchan wrote:I wouldn't think they would be moving at this time of year, mostly because their lease usually gets renewed around summertime, and it would be harder to leave their flat before their lease is ended.
i dont see why they couldnt move before their lease is up though, because they obviously have the money? to my knowledge, pretty much everyone who lives in london knows exactly where they live, and if they dont it isn't hard to find out. it seems as though 'sightings' and people 'randomly being around where they live' has signifigantly increased over the past year or two, so i wouldnt be surprised if they want to move into a more secluded area. obviously i have no proof and i dont know either way, but i wouldnt be surprised to find out that they have moved or are in the process of doing so and plan on keeping the current flat as a 'studio' until this summer while they get settled somewhere new. (omg soz for all the quotes i apparently took a note out of lurker's book)
The markplier thingy was kinda petty on marks side imo. I don't agree with the blue hearts for phil bullshit but I also think its dumb to bring so much attention to a random fan account for something this silly. If ethan did win and phil didn't who really cares, like I know that he's joking but I still didn't think it was necessary in the first place
alittledizzy wrote:
mermaid blood wrote:question to those who feel Phil is disrupting his own branding lately: could you expand on why with some examples? i'm nosey.
This is a great question. Phil's reband is a hot topic lately, but I wonder if people have different interpretations of exactly how he's rebranding? What do people expect from his next video?
Oooh, look.. its my favorite topic!! I spend too much time contemplating the direction I want AP to take. I think I began seeing a different kind of Phil through the documentary. Sure there were still too many pancake references but I also saw a more confident, mature guy who was unafraid to tell the director he disagreed with something. His main channel vids for the remaining of 2016 were a mixture of Dan and sleepless nights with Phil so its really hard to judge when he's not had a proper AP video released with just him. The quiz video counts, but again it was not something I'd consider to be top AP quality. Gamingmas is where I saw him peel back a little. As I see it now, Phil is become more chill as a person and slowly breaking down his "nice guy" image. Openly having Dan mock his image and tweeting things (more carrots please) with subsexual context with a smile is something I'd consider a change. I feel like he is getting more comfortable not pretending to be a bubbly, energetic guy, but instead being more chill and even sharing his opinions a bit (with the button video).
Do I think it will be an instant change on the AP channel..no. We already know the difference that lies between Phil in gaming channel and Phil in AP. That being said, I am hopeful for a new type of Phil once he releases a video. He's done the happy guy who has weird things happen to him, I feel like that phase of his channel should wrap up now and enter another phase. The difficulty is that, with Dan, he has a very nice relatable persona that can be translated well into videos. With Phil, you either get something extremely weird, or something creative that doesn't always do well with the audience (brain video). It's hard to have his content and really *succeed* in youtube.
I do wish that 2017 or maybe 2018 brings a rebirth of AP with a more mature mindset. I was rewatching old AP and noticed that I only enjoyed the videos because Phil was young and careless and weird. Now he's older, more mature, less attention grabby so the stakes have changed a bit. I want to see him find a middle ground where he can not always be a pancake loving cinnamon roll, stop taking butthole face selfies (sorry phil ), and act like he did in the doc. Someone who is a little strange and not afraid to show it. Someone who's a fail but embraces it with confidence and pride. Someone who's mind travels in the weirdest places but doesn't censor his thoughts from the fear of protecting his audience. That's always been in the core of his channel but he's always been holding back so I want him to set free and actually make videos that I think he would enjoy.
Also I can totally see him pulling off an Oscar hotel if he wanted. He has all the connections he needs so I hope he does take that route and creates a big project that is interactive with audience and really incorporates new video technology and phils weird mind. Something similar to the Christmas Adventures would be a breath of fresh air and really demonstrate his longevity as a ytber. Also I really want him to write a horror novel under a pseudonym and become a famous author (Sometimes I think I'm more motivated for them to succeed than myself )
Interesting about the moving van, it wouldn't surprise me if they moved before the lease ended as they have enough money. It also wouldn't surprise me if they kept it as a set either.
With regards to the lease ending, every flat I've lived in in London (actually in the whole UK) has had an initial term of one year and then you can move out with 1 months notice, or the landlord can ask you to leave with 2 months notice - you don't have to renew for a year every time.
So I don't think they would even be breaking their lease if they move out now.
The van definitely definitely could have been for someone else in the same building! Or a shop or something. But it was a weird coincidence given that everyone is speculating they're moving. I actually didn't think they were until I saw the van but now I'm unsure.
I'll keep my eyes peeled over the next couple of weeks!
Wouldn't it be funny if they do moved out but kept the London flat as their office cum studio, after all they could binge film as they did during gamingmas in the flat for a week and the rest of the time stay at their new home and edit there They can have more youtubers over to the flat for collabs as it is no longer their private space
sweetmm wrote:Wouldn't it be funny if they do moved out but kept the London flat as their office cum studio, after all they could binge film as they did during gamingmas in the flat for a week and the rest of the time stay at their new home and edit there They can have more youtubers over to the flat for collabs as it is no longer their private space
lurker wrote:agreed with this. whether you like / relate to quotes of the sort or not / find them funny or exhausting / etc. is a matter of taste, of course, but ultimately we don't know how genuine they are.
thanks ^_^ idk how i feel about referring to the 'genuineness' of dan and phil though? like to a point its easy to tell somethings that are disingenuine and others that are genuine, but there is certainly a lot of grey area. in general though, i try to think of them both as complex people with complex thoughts and feelings which we will never be privy to the whole story of, so they deserve the respect of being able to have emotions without a hoard of people examining it constantly? wow does this even make sense i dont even know anymore.
once again agreed with what you said, i probably should have phrased it differently. i didn't mean "genuine" as opposed to, say, completely manufactured, i was referring to people discussing that dan's negative posts/tweets/statements might be coping humour and meant to say, ultimatively we don't know what he thinks when he makes them. speculation can be interesting and fun, but with respect to that, i personally think it's important to keep in mind that it's really just speculation -- and that we only get to see snippets. when dan tweets that he's feeling alone, it doesn't necessarily mean he's either deliberately playing up his "persona" to be entertaining or is permanently lonely, it might also be what it seems to be on the tin -- a spontaneous emotion that he decided to share.
sinnamonrollphil wrote:
(omg soz for all the quotes i apparently took a note out of lurker's book)
He's certainly planting the seeds of "sickness" to hide the fact one/or both of them are moving out
it's kind of funny, but I don't think I would personally really count on it being definite until there is certainty
YES - AP rebranding is honestly the #1 thing I am looking forward to in 2017 (closely followed by DINOF cutting down on the 'it's black like my soul' jokes).
One thing I did want to bring up though - someone mentioned pages back that Phil's family was quite "northern/traditional" while discussing of Phil's internalisation/understanding of nonbinary genders. (not in a bad way! just that he seemed to be raised in the typical """good English family"""" with the typical values) and I was wondering how his upbringing would impact the way he expects himself to act once he turns 30. Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with him living w/ Dan forever and ever but that's just me
In society, one is expected to start thinking about settling down with a spouse and kids at the age of 30 - which means in 2017 the general public are going to increasingly question his relationship with Dan. I'm quite curious to see how he reacts to societal expectations (which could also tie in with his rebranding). I would hate for him to cave under the pressure and move out (ever since i saw the psychic grandma predict Phil moving out video I've been so paranoid) but at the same time they've always mentioned each other in their plans for the future? Not to mention Phil moving out would hurt the very specific brand that Deppy's built up.
(Sorry if this is completely incoherent it is 1am here and I am just Sleep Deprived Af)
Waggle9007 wrote:I don't know if this helps, but I know the flat below them has been listed for sale for a few months now, so it might be them moving rather than d+p?
that's far more probable
Also if they (or one of them) were moving they wouldnt give up these "I'm in my wintery cocoon" vibes I think. Moving is stressfull and intense as hell. Even if they don't tell the audience, something of that stress bleeds through.
Unless they plan everything months in advance and everything is settled and the moving and everything is done for them and they only have to move their own bodies to the new house. But as far as I think I know them, they won't let other's do all the moving because they want control over what happens and what gets put where etc. And then doubt and switch plans last minute because it's not right somehow. And they're not that great of a planners I think. But who knows.
momoroki wrote:YES - AP rebranding is honestly the #1 thing I am looking forward to in 2017 (closely followed by DINOF cutting down on the 'it's black like my soul' jokes).
One thing I did want to bring up though - someone mentioned pages back that Phil's family was quite "northern/traditional" while discussing of Phil's internalisation/understanding of nonbinary genders. (not in a bad way! just that he seemed to be raised in the typical """good English family"""" with the typical values) and I was wondering how his upbringing would impact the way he expects himself to act once he turns 30. Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with him living w/ Dan forever and ever but that's just me
In society, one is expected to start thinking about settling down with a spouse and kids at the age of 30 - which means in 2017 the general public are going to increasingly question his relationship with Dan. I'm quite curious to see how he reacts to societal expectations (which could also tie in with his rebranding). I would hate for him to cave under the pressure and move out (ever since i saw the psychic grandma predict Phil moving out video I've been so paranoid) but at the same time they've always mentioned each other in their plans for the future? Not to mention Phil moving out would hurt the very specific brand that Deppy's built up.
(Sorry if this is completely incoherent it is 1am here and I am just Sleep Deprived Af)
Can you link me to the psychic grandma thing? I haven't heard that before,
This is a prime example of how:
1. People in the comments are devoting too much of their life to the shipping.
2. How YouTubers are using them for views, particularly for something as bull as this.
) or like I said, just one of them moved. 
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