Dan & Phil Part 37: A better way to live

[flarequake]

Hi everybody, I'm back from my monthlong disappearance into "oh my god these exams actually count and affect my future ahhhhh''. I'm behind af, barely managed to keep up with videos and liveshows let alone read here or anything, so I'm like 2 threads behind as well but don't have time to read everything back at the moment

tldr. not dead, just busy with real life stuff, and I'm kinda back for the time being until uni gets intense again hope eveyone's well and anyone who went to a Women's March had a great day, my heart is so warmed by the number of people standing up for such an important cause

Hey, good to see you back. Cripes, don't worry about being behind on videos and stuff, good for you taking time out to concentrate on exams, you don't really want it the other way around. I hope they went well.

[alittledizzy]

I'm so happy that both of them acknowledged the marches. Especially that Phil did it so early on, and with an LGBT slant and still in a way that was inherently Phil. I hope he continues to be more and more comfortable in this regard.

Didn't like the Happy Wheels video, for the same reasons other people have said. Between general distaste for them playing up Felix like him being problematic just something you have to laugh over, and queasiness over the casual manged-bodies-and-exaggerated-gore feel to the game, it is the first DAPG video in a while that I have no desire to ever watch again. (I do see the argument about how it might not have been them giving Felix a pass, but I still can't hear Dan's voice as anything but fondly exasperated when he calls Felix 'problematic dad.') I can catch the isolated cute moments in gif form on tumblr if I need to.

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

[papierklemmen]

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

these are my thoughts too! for the first time in years they really don't have an excuse to procrastinate with making videos (unless they announce that they're busy moving... lulz) and i'm excited about what they're going to put out. not expecting much from dan, but as phil explicitly expressed that he's bursting with ideas i'm hoping that means more videos and maybe something new and cool and not just general trends and challenges (he kind of made a dig at those in the video, didn't he? joking that he should have filmed himself microwaving the fork as it would have had good views and also "could have put a 1000 degree glowing knife into a microwave" lol).

using this as an opportunity to bring up my nomination for "favourite weird ass video by phil".

(re-watching this and a couple more of his old vids i realised i really liked his weird choice of haunting music lol. like that inappropriately sad ass music in a video about IoM that made it look like "rip phil, we'll always remember you" video).

[nephilimcat]

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

these are my thoughts too! for the first time in years they really don't have an excuse to procrastinate with making videos (unless they announce that they're busy moving... lulz) and i'm excited about what they're going to put out. not expecting much from dan, but as phil explicitly expressed that he's bursting with ideas i'm hoping that means more videos and maybe something new and cool and not just general trends and challenges (he kind of made a dig at those in the video, didn't he? joking that he should have filmed himself microwaving the fork as it would have had good views and also "could have put a 1000 degree glowing knife into a microwave" lol).

using this as an opportunity to bring up my nomination for "favourite weird ass video by phil".

Omg, same! I'm really curious to see what his ideas are. Since he explicitly stated they are creative, I think they go more in the direction of either videos like "Tour Of My Brain" or maybe even something like his old stuff in a better quality (e.g. my favourite "Dreams of the Future")? Not sure about the latter, but a girl can dream He does have a lot of creative potential and I know he is capable of working with it. Please blow my mind, Phil!
But regularly uploaded videos with his usual content would make me happy already

(re-watching this and a couple more of his old vids i realised i really liked his weird choice of haunting music lol. like that inappropriately sad ass music in a video about IoM that made it look like "rip phil, we'll always remember you" video).

I just watched the IoM video and you are right

Women's March:
Very happy that Deppy liked and retweeted stuff about this!

[rizzo]

And the tags on his tumblr post: #my shins #so much pain #it was all going smoothly until it suddenly wasn't

Phil's rubbing off on him.

[alittledizzy]

Phil's rubbing off on him.

heh i bet


sorry i'll go ban myself now

[simmehchan]

He said he slid and landed on his butt but also somehow hurt his shins. Either he's extremely talented at falling or...

[misakichan274]

And the tags on his tumblr post: #my shins #so much pain #it was all going smoothly until it suddenly wasn't

Phil's rubbing off on him.

Literally Sorry, couldn't resist

A bit late maybe but I'm also taking this opportunity to appreciate Susanisnotonfire and Amazingdick :philtres:

hah alittledizzy beat me I see

[flarequake]

Maybe he hit the back of his leg or hit his shins on something other than the steps? I don't know what. Phil's forever hurting his butt (apparently bruised both that and his side falling offstage, pierced it on Dan's earring, an insect bit it), there's been a theme for a while.

eta: ooh, I'm a, ahem, wanker now. yay

[lefthandedism]

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

these are my thoughts too! for the first time in years they really don't have an excuse to procrastinate with making videos (unless they announce that they're busy moving... lulz) and i'm excited about what they're going to put out. not expecting much from dan, but as phil explicitly expressed that he's bursting with ideas i'm hoping that means more videos and maybe something new and cool and not just general trends and challenges (he kind of made a dig at those in the video, didn't he? joking that he should have filmed himself microwaving the fork as it would have had good views and also "could have put a 1000 degree glowing knife into a microwave" lol).

using this as an opportunity to bring up my nomination for "favourite weird ass video by phil".

Omg, same! I'm really curious to see what his ideas are. Since he explicitly stated they are creative, I think they go more in the direction of either videos like "Tour Of My Brain" or maybe even something like his old stuff in a better quality (e.g. my favourite "Dreams of the Future")? Not sure about the latter, but a girl can dream He does have a lot of creative potential and I know he is capable of working with it. Please blow my mind, Phil!
But regularly uploaded videos with his usual content would make me happy already

(re-watching this and a couple more of his old vids i realised i really liked his weird choice of haunting music lol. like that inappropriately sad ass music in a video about IoM that made it look like "rip phil, we'll always remember you" video).

I just watched the IoM video and you are right

For weird early Phil, I'll go with Lonely Day (bonus: non-black-haired Phil):

His song covers lead inevitably to some of the best sexy Phil--Toxic (despite Dan's savage criticism of how Phil sings Toxic irl lol):

I still don't understand why the phandom evidently doesn't bother with Phil's old videos--even though they go and watch PINOF all the time.

As for Deppy doing Happy Wheels, it was massively requested in the comments of DAPG videos--shouldn't that count for something?

[alittledizzy]

I still don't understand why the phandom evidently doesn't bother with Phil's old videos--even though they go and watch PINOF all the time.

Anyone who became a fan of Phil, or youtube in general, in the past 4-5 years is probably not drawn to those kinds of videos just because they're so different than the polished and mass-consumable videos made now.

I don't actually expect whatever Phil does next to be very reminiscent of what he did as a university student. He's matured as a person and I don't think he looks back as fondly on those old videos as enamoured fans do. If anything, he's nostalgic - but that doesn't imply a desire to emulate what he used to do.

Personally I'm very fond of Phil's old stuff too, but I'm excited to see what sort of creativity Phil of today has.

[papierklemmen]

i don't think i would even want him to go back to his old style, because a) he himself expressed that he is not about that life now; b) there are so many other ways he can go creative. go phil.

[lefthandedism]

Personally I'm very fond of Phil's old stuff too, but I'm excited to see what sort of creativity Phil of today has.

Absolutely! I didn't mean to imply that I wanted him to do videos that look like those of ten years ago. Certainly I would expect more polished production values.

I'm interested to see how much weirdness (old-style weirdness, not angel-bean weirdness) comes back, and how much sexy. And definitely it would need to be 30-year-old sexy, not 20-year-old sexy!

Maybe his new phase will be something entirely different, and that would be cool too.

[zvezdochka]

I'm interested to see how much weirdness (old-style weirdness, not angel-bean weirdness) comes back, and how much sexy. And definitely it would need to be 30-year-old sexy, not 20-year-old sexy!

Knowing their demographic I'm not sure bringing up sexiness is a good move

When he mentioned he's been creative lately, I thought it doesn't necessarily have to do with his channel. For some reason I expect a big project from him, not just a couple of interesting stand alone videos.

[flarequake]

Despite the demographic the phandom finds Phil sexy af and he doesn't need to try anyway. It helps when he sings in his baritone range, but just being is enough. Greatly looking forward to seeing what he's going to come up with. It could be a while, though, since he's just in the idea stage now.

[kuensukki]

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

He's been explicitly teasing about them so i'm expecting he already has tons of ideas, just not a way to properly funnel them into a format!! Im thirsty for a Phil movie or something he writes and directs. I chanced upon an old interview of his where he talks about how his biggest dream would be to direct a movie



1:27: "I'd really like to direct and write my own Phil where money was no object so I'd be the most amazing film you've even seen"

other favorites parts:

2:01 Favorite thing to eat in morning? "I like toast" Oh, so i see his pancake obsession manifested later in his development

2:42 "videos have become a routine, if I dont make a video in a week I'm like video video" BETCHHHHHH what happened?? (jk I still love you but little Phil was a bit more comfortable with a schedule) Dan stop rubbing on him But he also said he'd still be making videos/be on yt and he is so Im happy for that!!

3:37 "with tv I was on quiz show and in movie I was play a part so I wasn't being myself.. I prefer to be myself..if I'm appearing anywhere"

3:52 "I dont think I'm a good actor" HMMMM...*sips tea*

He seemed very casual and chill in this interview but also had those pauses when he tried to inflect and make himself sound different/more interesting which I think was more common back in the day. It's still one of my faves because he is so small and cuddly in it

Other oldschool faves that I recommend (because they're so weird/creative but also give insight on his relationship with friends and how much they were willing to do to entertain his hobby) are:

Awaiting the Tide: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... nplR0JSMEk

The Game:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... ldXME44Y00

My First Videos: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... ktCVEVHWWM

[oqua]

I saw these gifs on Tumblr and Dan and Phil's faces are so perfect that I just had to share.




(gif source / link to post: wallflowerchronicles)

The first two gifs seriously give me life. What a great response (from both of them) to a bs heteronormative claim like "girls like hot boys and hot boys like pretty girls"

Just look at the disdain on Phil's face. Glorious. I think this counts as Phil priss face.



And then Dan is just like "r u kidding me wtf"



It's from the "A Guide to Vlogging Panel" from Vidcon 2014, at 7:26:

[Truth_or_cliche]

I didn't get a chance to respond to these in the previous thread so I'm carrying them in:

I'm also curious about how him being bullied as a kid has influenced the way he handles conflict today (to freeze up and/or ignore the problem until it goes away). I don't think he's gone into much detail about it, though. Was there something in particular he was teased about? Was there physical abuse? Verbal abuse? How did he handle it? I think he's said/implied that he just endured it, but did he ever try to do something about it or did he learn pretty quickly to endure it until it was over? I wonder if this is where he developed this deer-in-headlights coping mechanism. I can see how something like that can make you insecure/nervous/anxious around other people even way after it's over. It's amazing to me that even after encountering some really shitty people at such a young age he still just wants to make people happy. It's quite admirable, he could have easily come out of an experience like that and been angry/bitter/hateful, but he doesn't appear to be at all.

EDIT: I forgot to link it lol

I'm not sure, if this will answer much, but he did give this vyou answer which I don't see around much. The guy sounds horrible, but I'm surprised by Phil's reaction as some parts, he kind of casually say, "He would just stab me with a compass or something horrible." then sort of double-backs and is like "YEAH he was a HORRIBLE guy!" What I get from his response, was that these situations did not have a surface kind of reaction from him, he did not seem to internalize these encounters as bullying, only reflecting on it later did he realize how wrong these encounters were in hindsight. Maybe Phil is laissez-faire about it happening, maybe he just brushed it off and it never actually bothered him. Maybe certain other encounters kind of build into other reactionary responses? (his comment, "I think everybody get's bullied at some point in their lifes." Who knows?

Contrary to his deer in the headlights comment-he actually did not tolerate the situation, but actually stopped it by seeking out a teacher for help so he was able to move class. From what I get from this response is that it is less confrontational but certainly the most mature, and least stressful way of dealing with the situation. I don't think Phil likes confrontation or dealing with situations, probably psyches himself out (such as his mother organizing a hair appointment over the phone for him).

Still, I kind of like Phil's outlook on the situation. He doesn't really refer to the guy with any malice, he's quite practical in his outlook, treating it as typical and in his case fixable. I agree with your statement that Phil really sees the best in everyone, I think if you were to compare this with Dan it's quite interesting. Phil sees the best, and does his best, because it makes him happy. Dan is suspicious, a little paranoid at times, is quite bleak on his outlook on people. Both of them seemed to have mildly negative encounters in school, yet Dan seems to be the only one who still hangs onto resentment while Phil has already moved on. Difference in age, maturity, or personality? WHO KNOWS ~
This is very important. People felt an immediately strong reaction to when Dan made a comment about feeling more comfortable making a peace signs due to feeling awkward with his hands. Yet, I was very surprised by the very strong reaction this had for some people and how they associated this was anxiety. What I find very interesting is the reaction-or lack of reaction-to a statement that is identical I'm just pointing it out. I mean, in the case of Dan's peace signs being made fun of, the mocking was light and really meaningless (idk some people may disagree with this, I didn't personally see any shaming, but maybe other people have). Yet people actively say they despise Phil's wide-eyed, or open mouthed, or terrified sort of look, saying they hate seeing it, frequently. (This is me, I'm shading myself). Yet, wouldn't consider the possibility of him doing this out of the VERY same way Dan has given for his peace-signs.

With Phil being afraid of being seen serious-this is kind of interesting, people very much get a very happy, energetic Phil. And when we get serious, older, manly Phil, people are like
D A D D Y ! and it's kind of hilarious, in hindsight. After all, people kind of want something that's different to the typical content. (like the way people prefer soft!Dan to his danisnotonfire persona)

YASSS!! This is the type of content I'm looking for!! Thanks babes for this amazing analysis

I especially adore what you said about his view of bullying and how it affected his life later on. I'm literally shocked he had such a calm demeanor when recalling his bully, especially since that bully seemed to be so aggressive and horrible to him

I remember watching him describe his childhood with a fondness like no other so I'm sure he focused on the good things he had like his collection of breeded hamsters and good friends that were willing to participate in his movies and enjoy his company, rather than that really aggressive guy that pushed him around. This video really was lovely advice to those entering high school with anxiety or even trying to fit it and change themselves for acceptance.

The teacher thing was also a great point! He is someone who does speak up when he feels the need to and doesn't seem like he's one to get pushed around. He comes off as very assertive and straight to the point. It's why he's usually in charge of writing the tumblr posts to the fans warning them off a certain behavior. It's also why he seems to do the majority of the emailing to other companies for the both of them (several examples shown in liveshows such as him emailing Sims headquarters for approval of using Dil).

He also seems to have a tendency to forgive and forget whereas Dan tends to boil. A more recent example was the sound guy in DAPGOOSE. Wheras Dan was annoyed and wanted to name the guy and call him out for his incompetence, Phil reeled it in because he didn't want to embarrass the guy despite the blunder he made and the frustrations it may have caused

I've noticed several things Phil tends to do that seem to come from being scared or nervous. He tends to shake alot or pulls an unattractive face when he feels like the focus in on him for too long. He also tends to blurt things without really filtering his thoughts because he can't think properly and ends up retreating into "weird" phil mode. I always found that to be a defense mechanism of sorts. Like I understand that he is naturally a bit strange, anyone watching him can see that, but sometimes he does it just for the sake of being weird and it's something I think manifested early on. Like he was afraid of being judged therefore he became as weird as possible therefore giving people an excuse to dislike him because he's so different.

Also the voice breaking is again explored in this video:



Looks like his grandma and his classmates at school teased him about having the high-pitched voice and now he's self-conscious about it. (Also included: some cringe heteronormativity yay )

000dia000 Very glad to learn that Phil didn't just let that stuff happen to him and he stood up for himself. Good on him. I agree he avoids confrontation if possible, but when he does confront a situation he is quite mature about it. The fact that he told a teacher instead of trying to retaliate is a perfect example of that. Also, I think it can be easy to overlook his feelings a lot, not just because he tries to hide them, but also because he's quite good at always portraying himself as the happy, care-free guy, so it's quite nice when we get to see him in a different way (especially when daddy!phil makes an appearance ).

kuensukki Very interesting what you said about him using his weirdness as a defense mechanism. The thought never crossed my mind, but it makes total sense! I think you might be spot on with that.


Loved the new gaming video. How have I never even heard of this game? Kinda hilarious, kinda terrifying. It left me very But why on Earth would they mention the pewdiepie situation Even just mentioning him wouldn't have been so bad, but the fact that they address the situation in such a lighthearted way...yikes! Not a good look fellas.

Love that so many of you went to the marches yesterday! I didn't get to go to the St. Louis one, but I watched a lot of livestreams of them at work. Truly warmed me, heart and soul. Glad d&p showed some support for the marches as well. No idea where this opinion expressing Phil came from, but I hope he stays a while!

Annnnndddddd now I fall down a hole of watching old Phil videos, which will lead to old Dan videos, which will lead to searching for vlogs that include them, and generally being completely unproductive today so thanks y'all

[Catallena]

I saw these gifs on Tumblr and Dan and Phil's faces are so perfect that I just had to share.




(gif source / link to post: wallflowerchronicles)

The first two gifs seriously give me life. What a great response (from both of them) to a bs heteronormative claim like "girls like hot boys and hot boys like pretty girls"

Just look at the disdain on Phil's face. Glorious. I think this counts as Phil priss face.



And then Dan is just like "r u kidding me wtf"



It's from the "A Guide to Vlogging Panel" from Vidcon 2014, at 7:26:

Omg amazing

It's been years since I last saw this panel and I still just knew it was gonna be everyone's favorite 'progressive' Mormon Shay saying that I'm kinda surprised that he even thought to add the last part at all. Obvious afterthought.

[flarequake]

Phil is fluffy in a towel apparently

[lefthandedism]

Phil is fluffy in a towel apparently

But I thought he likes three towels (and we've seen him wearing at least two)!

[secretagentphan]

Old Phil videos always had a dark subtle David Lynch-y (one of my favorite directors) vibe to them and I absolutely LOVED IT. I hope he brings a little of that back in future projects. I'd love to see a Phil movie because of this. I think it'd have the potential to be fantastic. I need Director!Phil in my life right now.

[000dia000]

Phil is fluffy in a towel apparently

I still support the theory that the two of them get high and draft their tweets in January to plan out the rest of the year. This is such a quintessential Phil tweet, it's timeless, ageless. Bland enough to be friendly and relatable but without giving away any personal information or location, he could be anywhere right now. What country could he be in? Could this even be Phil tweeting or has he been abducted and new impersonated? Who knows.

[flarequake]

I dunno about bland, imagining him in a towel has me a bit but I get you, it is pretty innocuous.

[fringechecks]

Old Phil videos always had a dark subtle David Lynch-y (one of my favorite directors) vibe to them and I absolutely LOVED IT. I hope he brings a little of that back in future projects. I'd love to see a Phil movie because of this. I think it'd have the potential to be fantastic. I need Director!Phil in my life right now.

I've always loved the subtle dark vibes of Phil's old videos, a movie that he made? SIGN ME UP.