First, I think
zvezdochka is completely right, there's no need to really praise them for retweeting some things and making a generic statements once in a while. Especially because I feel like they get this much praise simply because they're white males, aka a demograpic not usually in support of the social justice and feminism. Women never get praise for being a feminist (in social justice circles it is expected and women who don't feel comfortable with the label for whatever reason get shamed to hell and back) but men do. White male mediocrity strikes again. I think it's cool that D&P care and that they retweeted some thing about the marches but some people (not even really talking about the forum, just generally on social media) praised them so much for so little... That isn't to say that they have to do more (they're fine imo), just that the phandom maybe has to do a little less :')
palpable wrote:A few thoughts on the Felix/pewdiepie situation under the spoiler, because I got some things on my mind I cannot leave unsaid.
I really don't think anyone here is doing that though. If I gave you that vibe I'm sorry but imo we're just far past that stage with Felix. I completely agree on giving people chances to educate themselves and do better, because nobody came out of the womb all enlightened. I was ignorant as shit just like everybody else and still am on many subjects. Everybody should get the chance and time to become a better person (and that journey never really ends).
But that just no longer goes for Felix because he just doesn't care and I don't feel like a morally superior snowflake for passing judgement over him for that, nor for wishing for people I like to stop associating with someone like him. The people one associates with often reflect their thoughts, opinions and behaviour after all.. I personally feel like any friendship Felix has with other YouTubers suffers from a massive power imbalance which causes his friends not to call him out on anything and be quick to forgive. He holds a lot of power, and he abuses it constantly both online and IRL. Now I'm not concerned that Deppy's friendship with him reflects their ~true selves~ or anything, but they also won't call him out because of that 'friendship' and that's what I have a problem with. Especially when they then follow it up with some fond joke about him being a 'problematic dad'.
I have plenty of problematic faves (I'm a kpop stan after all, there's nothing about that industry isn't problematic) and generally I do get annoyed at how quickly people turn on celebs and such if they make one ignorant statement. Especially because of how selective people are, often just looking for shit to justify hating one person while forgiving another person for worse. So you're absolutely right about that, but I don't think it's fair to apply that to this situation.
malday wrote:
mio wrote:
Also this isn't exactly a controversial cause to get behind: peaceful rallies for equality, plus I guess there are hardly any Trump supporters amongst their followers.
When Dan mentioned Meryl Streep's anti-trump speech at the GG in his ls he "rustled jimmies" in the chat. I think there's more supporters than you'd expect.
Yesterday I came across someone on Twitter who claimed to love Harry Potter, Doctor Who etc. and was just deeply into fandom culture but was a really hardcore Trump supporter. I was hella confused and wondering whether we had read the same books written by my problematic fave J.K. Rowling. I know that considering how popular the books are plenty of shitty and evil people must've read them as well but it was so weird for me to see. I'm sure there are Trump supporting phandom members as well. The world is strange.
+ jokes were made about 4.20 (he missed it by a minute) 
