Dan & Phil Part 37: A better way to live

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lishachi wrote:[offtopic]when did dans eclipse shirt become a thing? i only started watching them in 2015 and was curious as to why it became so popular? did he just wear it a lot? massively off topic sorry :shock:[/offtopic]
I thought it was just because he wore it in his profile pic in 2012 (and used that pic for several years...it's still the icon for his yt channel) so it was there when he got his big subscriber boost and people began associating him with it. I can't recall that he wore it especially often except for his channel trailer, which was in 2014.
Yeah it's mostly because of that BBC promo pic that was used as a profile pic for centuries, but he did wear it plenty around that time period. I went back (because I'm really bored) and he wore it more than most other shirts; in the very first Sunday radio show, Vidcon 2012 and Playlist 2013 meet ups, Near Death Experience (the video uploaded right before I Will Go Down With This Ship which made him blow up so it got a good amount of views), the first Innuendo Bingo and he even drew himself wearing it in his Draw My Life. It was definitely one of his favorite shirts for a while.
He also wore it in pinof 4 didn't he??
Yes he did! How could I forget that one? :facepalm: Truly an iconic shirt.
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As a new member on here and a longtime phan since c.2012-3, I just wanted voldy off tumblr. I know that people have different opinions on it being public, especially with DnP's behaviour lately (yes, I think it's true and I 99% think that they are together and slowly coming out to us now). I'm just one of those people who loves Deppy and who doesn't want a 2012 Dan situation again.
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woo prepare for another mindless rant

I think now, if any time, is the best time to come clean about whether Phan is real or not. Not necessarily in one fell swoop, not necessarily in an all-caps clickbait title, but as a general, unwritten truth. I don't mean now like this month, or heck, even this year. But from what I've noticed, the tides of the fandom seem to have changed direction somewhat over the years.

This is just my perception, but back in the days of 11-13, being a shipper was a "minority". It was... a strong vocal one, but a minority nonetheless. By minority I mean that in those days they were very determined on maintaining a single guy image and making a lot of jokes about women and saying "don't worry, I'll marry one of you one day". Regardless of the reasons why, (im)maturity, covering up Phan, etc etc, it's undeniable that at the time a lot of fangirls would have fantasies of being with them. And they didn't care to refuse it, either. The hows and whys is another convo but from the fandom's perspective, the shipping was strong but it was a branch-off section of the phandom. It had separate connotations and separate ideals and desires. It wasn't weaker than the other "side", mind. Especially with the drama going on through leaks and... other things, there was plenty of fuel in the fire to keep the blaze burning bright.

No matter when you observe the fandom, there will always be younger fans, but the fans of then are now older. To use a gross TMI analogy, the dead skin cells of the past fall away and the layer regenerates constantly, and so you are left with a deep foundation but also with a different appearance. The foundation of Deppy is Deppy themselves. Ant & Dec wouldn't work separately and by this point neither do Dan & Phil. I'm not talking about their personal channel content, I mean as we perceive them. By now, we know that where one goes, the other follows. These days, being a phan shipper is normal and encouraged and no longer demonised, it seems the tables have turned a bit and the non shippers have a worse name. The unspoken idea that obviously they are together is so loud that it's no longer a topic of discussion. Fans who come along these days will read up on a LOT of history that will only confirm any bias or suspicions. Fans from back then are either older and not interested anymore, or they have become unaffected by shock moments that otherwise seem to stir up the younger members (see: the phil's wife rumour, hilarious but everyone freaking out about it were probably 18 and under).

Compared to the past, the amount of fans wanting to ding-a-ling either of the two has somewhat diminished. Either they are really young and just have a teenage crush (some of them go to rather creepy extremes, though), or they have been introduced to deppy as a professional and personal unit, so the concept of Dan without Phil or Phil without Dan is alien to them. Right now we are less shocked by Phan-positive moments than we are by Phan-negative ones. Of course we are surprised/pleased/wowed if it happens but it's... not that shocking anymore. The reaction once the dust blows over is "oh, of course".

I guess in a TL;DR way my point is that if they came out explicitly in 2012 or 2013 the reaction would be more like a tsunami of thirsty fangirls angry at their man being taken. If they come out now the reaction will be overwhelmingly positive and encouraging and I guess it's because older fans lived through it all, newer fans got into the fandom by enjoying the antics of "Dan and Phil" and never once had to question whether an alternative was possible.

*draws whiskers on my face* Even though the past exists for new fans to research on, and delve deeper into the fandom, they never experienced the past, and they will always see it through the present-day goggles of a universe where none of them have to make excuses for their friendship or why they live together.

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I'm jealous, that looks really good.
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
That does look amazing! Hoping there are more tweets re:friend bday Let the 30th celebration begin!!!

Also, I am so glad to see that Phil may start working out. It will help his insomnia, and (hopefully) slightly counteract his sweet tooth.
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
I am pretty sure that is not red velvet cake :lol: . How many people are supposed to be eating that??
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
I can't decipher what meal this is: breakfast? brunch? a mid-afternoon coffee break? Looks like a lot of calories though... I'm hungry
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
I can't decipher what meal this is: breakfast? brunch? a mid-afternoon coffee break? Looks like a lot of calories though... I'm hungry
Did he get a gym membership just to cover that meal? Bc... worth it.
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I mean, melon lord, all of that kind of has the assumption that they need to come out at some point (or "come clean" about their personal lives). They don't. If they want to, that's cool, but choosing not to doesn't need to have anything to do with updated potential fan reactions as your post kind of assumes. I don't really see how the level of likely (assumed) acceptance by the majority of their fans have anything to do with anything. They're not living their lives for us and looking at their actions, or expectations of their actions, with regards to their private lives through the lens of how we'd react is a strange approach. idk. I don't think they're trying to 'hide' so much anymore, but just because their history is on display for anyone to see (and come to whatever conclusion that history leads a viewer to), that's not a reason to make anything official unless they want to. "Who do they think they're kidding at this point, might as well come out" doesn't sit right with me, especially since they're not really (imo) trying to kid anybody these days. So why do they need to confirm explicitly if, for whatever reasons, they don't feel like it. The 'best time' for them to do anything of the sort is exactly when it occurs to them they want to.
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
Hope it's not just for 1 person, probably not because Dan re-tweeted.

eta: melon lord i don't expect them to come out of a couple but maybe be more open about sexuality, especially Phil.
Maybe he will touch on something important in his birthday video.
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
I can't decipher what meal this is: breakfast? brunch? a mid-afternoon coffee break? Looks like a lot of calories though... I'm hungry
Did he get a gym membership just to cover that meal? Bc... worth it.
Probably :lol: Let's see if he actually ever goes there though or just did it to feel better.

Also, it's so alien to me that you would celebrate your birthday before your actual birthday. Afterwards, okay, but before!? Why would you?
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From a bit of a google, it looks like they were at one of the Roka restaurants and had the seasonal tasting menu (£66 each) which ends with a sharing dessert platter
All the food on the menu looks amazing tbh
The restaurant is pretty high up on TimeOut London's 'best Japanese restaurants in London' and 'most showstopping desserts' lists, so if I had to guess I think that's where they found it
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fancybum wrote:I mean, melon lord, all of that kind of has the assumption that they need to come out at some point (or "come clean" about their personal lives). They don't. If they want to, that's cool, but choosing not to doesn't need to have anything to do with updated potential fan reactions as your post kind of assumes. I don't really see how the level of likely (assumed) acceptance by the majority of their fans have anything to do with anything. They're not living their lives for us and looking at their actions, or expectations of their actions, with regards to their private lives through the lens of how we'd react is a strange approach. idk. I don't think they're trying to 'hide' so much anymore, but just because their history is on display for anyone to see (and come to whatever conclusion that history leads a viewer to), that's not a reason to make anything official unless they want to. "Who do they think they're kidding at this point, might as well come out" doesn't sit right with me, especially since they're not really (imo) trying to kid anybody these days. So why do they need to confirm explicitly if, for whatever reasons, they don't feel like it. The 'best time' for them to do anything of the sort is exactly when it occurs to them they want to.
I maybe didn't word myself right then, cause that wasn't my intended point

I didn't say anywhere that they should say anything at all about their relationship. I don't know where you got that assumption from. It's been a common argument lately that people are forcing, subconsciously or not, a reveal of their personal life, when my post had nothing of the sort. I don't expect them to or demand it from them, personally.

I'm commenting on a shift in the attitude and behaviour of the fans through the years, which is only my personal observation and I don't have graphs or statistics to back it up. I'm saying if they did, now as opposed to back then would be much more accepting, and again, this is just my opinion. For the reasons I stated: normalisation of their symbiosis and relationship, whatever that is.

They could hide "the truth" until they are old and grey and we all have dementia and have forgotten why we were on this forum in the first place. They could hire a blimp tomorrow and have a giant PHAN IS REAL banner tied on it, flying over London. My point was about the fans' perspective and the way the fans act, regardless of reality, which we just don't know. We can make a lot of assumptions, connect a lot of dots, but that's about it, I'm afraid.

Now see, this is part of why I have distaste over posting my thoughts here. I said "best time" in the beginning of my post and then went on to explain my thought process and nowhere did I imply that I am holding a knife over anyone's throat, metaphorically. It could be that my thought process is shit and that's up for debate, but I did not imply anywhere that I have marked a date on my giant phan calendar and if they don't confess by then so help me.

I wanted a discussion on the fandom. On how it was back then and how it is now and the changes and developments. I wanted a chat about how actually BELIEVING in Phan (not just casually shipping cause you think it's kawaii) was more of a dark niche in the phandom as opposed to now where it's a gigantic beacon shining brightly. I thought about how fans coming in different years would have a different opinion/attitude about Phan and how those nuances would change. I considered the possibility that now is a more accepting and calm era of being a fan than it was back then, even though there are still clashes and rumours and nasty stuff going on. I hoped that, regardless of what they do, from my POV in the gigantic moshpit of fans looking up at Deppy, maybe these will be brighter and more open years than 2012 ever was.

I was certainly not going for assumptions that I am dismissing their right to do whatever they want in whatever time they want.

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what even is happening in that picture. i'm so out of touch with rich people's desserts.

melon lord, your rant was interesting! but i don't really see how this year or this month or any time soon is any better than other times, or why they would want to come clean about their personal lives ever, unfortunately... they always capitalized on how they wouldn't talk about their relationships. i mean, if they're not together (i'm still on the "i don't know if i believe that" side, god help me ) then i agree that it's about time they threw in a mention or two of casual clear verbal phan denial, otherwise it's just weird for everybody. but if they are, then they might still have a lot of reasons not to be open about it. i don't think their fans opposition is what would scare them, i'm sure they know that their fans would be delighted. there are other factors like brand & image, their peers and colleagues, their career prospects, their privacy... etc.

(i always thought grace & chester handled their relationship more or less well. they never announced that they were dating, but never tried to, like, pretend they sleep in different beds, lol. :roll: but then again, they are a straight couple).

edit: oh man, you wrote another wall of text! :thumb: brb reading.
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Catallena wrote:
anathema wrote:
Catallena wrote:
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lishachi wrote:[offtopic]when did dans eclipse shirt become a thing? i only started watching them in 2015 and was curious as to why it became so popular? did he just wear it a lot? massively off topic sorry :shock:[/offtopic]
I thought it was just because he wore it in his profile pic in 2012 (and used that pic for several years...it's still the icon for his yt channel) so it was there when he got his big subscriber boost and people began associating him with it. I can't recall that he wore it especially often except for his channel trailer, which was in 2014.
Yeah it's mostly because of that BBC promo pic that was used as a profile pic for centuries, but he did wear it plenty around that time period. I went back (because I'm really bored) and he wore it more than most other shirts; in the very first Sunday radio show, Vidcon 2012 and Playlist 2013 meet ups, Near Death Experience (the video uploaded right before I Will Go Down With This Ship which made him blow up so it got a good amount of views), the first Innuendo Bingo and he even drew himself wearing it in his Draw My Life. It was definitely one of his favorite shirts for a while.
He also wore it in pinof 4 didn't he??
Yes he did! How could I forget that one? :facepalm: Truly an iconic shirt.
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fancybum wrote:I mean, melon lord, all of that kind of has the assumption that they need to come out at some point (or "come clean" about their personal lives). They don't. If they want to, that's cool, but choosing not to doesn't need to have anything to do with updated potential fan reactions as your post kind of assumes. I don't really see how the level of likely (assumed) acceptance by the majority of their fans have anything to do with anything. They're not living their lives for us and looking at their actions, or expectations of their actions, with regards to their private lives through the lens of how we'd react is a strange approach. idk. I don't think they're trying to 'hide' so much anymore, but just because their history is on display for anyone to see (and come to whatever conclusion that history leads a viewer to), that's not a reason to make anything official unless they want to. "Who do they think they're kidding at this point, might as well come out" doesn't sit right with me, especially since they're not really (imo) trying to kid anybody these days. So why do they need to confirm explicitly if, for whatever reasons, they don't feel like it. The 'best time' for them to do anything of the sort is exactly when it occurs to them they want to.
I maybe didn't word myself right then, cause that wasn't my intended point

I didn't say anywhere that they should say anything at all about their relationship. I don't know where you got that assumption from. It's been a common argument lately that people are forcing, subconsciously or not, a reveal of their personal life, when my post had nothing of the sort. I don't expect them to or demand it from them, personally.

I'm commenting on a shift in the attitude and behaviour of the fans through the years, which is only my personal observation and I don't have graphs or statistics to back it up. I'm saying if they did, now as opposed to back then would be much more accepting, and again, this is just my opinion. For the reasons I stated: normalisation of their symbiosis and relationship, whatever that is.

They could hide "the truth" until they are old and grey and we all have dementia and have forgotten why we were on this forum in the first place. They could hire a blimp tomorrow and have a giant PHAN IS REAL banner tied on it, flying over London. My point was about the fans' perspective and the way the fans act, regardless of reality, which we just don't know. We can make a lot of assumptions, connect a lot of dots, but that's about it, I'm afraid.

Now see, this is part of why I have distaste over posting my thoughts here. I said "best time" in the beginning of my post and then went on to explain my thought process and nowhere did I imply that I am holding a knife over anyone's throat, metaphorically. It could be that my thought process is shit and that's up for debate, but I did not imply anywhere that I have marked a date on my giant phan calendar and if they don't confess by then so help me.

I wanted a discussion on the fandom. On how it was back then and how it is now and the changes and developments. I wanted a chat about how actually BELIEVING in Phan (not just casually shipping cause you think it's kawaii) was more of a dark niche in the phandom as opposed to now where it's a gigantic beacon shining brightly. I thought about how fans coming in different years would have a different opinion/attitude about Phan and how those nuances would change. I considered the possibility that now is a more accepting and calm era of being a fan than it was back then, even though there are still clashes and rumours and nasty stuff going on. I hoped that, regardless of what they do, from my POV in the gigantic moshpit of fans looking up at Deppy, maybe these will be brighter and more open years than 2012 ever was.

I was certainly not going for assumptions that I am dismissing their right to do whatever they want in whatever time they want.
of course they don't have to do anything. and they won't 'come out' just because people want them to (assuming they are in a relationship) but i don't think that was the point. more so that it would be a much better time now/this year/in the future or whatever (again, if they are in a relationship) because everyones more accepting. i can't articulate my thoughts very well but i have bolded the parts which i agree with.

it's all a very big pile of 'ifs'. If they wanted to 'come out' it would be a good time, they've gotten more comfortable on camera, don't edit as much out (as far as we know) and i wasn't a fan before 2015 so i can't say much about then, but from peoples perspectives/opinions it's a much better time now. again, they could never 'come out'. they don't have to. they don't owe it to anyone, it's a private matter for many people (again, IF they are together etc)
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Okay let me clarify this because it seems to be what everyone is clinging on to dismiss my post
melon lord wrote: I think now, if any time, is the best time to come clean about whether Phan is real or not. Not necessarily in one fell swoop, not necessarily in an all-caps clickbait title, but as a general, unwritten truth. I don't mean now like this month, or heck, even this year. But from what I've noticed, the tides of the fandom seem to have changed direction somewhat over the years.
I don't mean "THEY NEED TO COME OUT NOW THIS YEAR RIGHT NOW" or "THEY SHOULD COME OUT NOW YO CUZ FANS BE DIGGING THIS SHIT".

I mean "I think the fandom has finally reached a stage where an admittance of Phan will be met with more positivity than negativity and also their careers and branding won't take substantial damage unlike in the past when they likely relied on bachelor status not just to protect themselves but also because it's marketable to young fans who now have grown up and matured, whereas new fans now are not facing the same dilemma or unease about the concept of shipping phan and it's treated as a positive aspect, the romantic feelings between dan and phil, and whether it happens, if it happens, I feel that from now on the recoil of truth will be far less damaging on their psyche than it would have been back in 2012 when tensions were high and it would be less divisive in the phandom where the likelihood that phan is real seems to overwhelm the other alternatives"

is that better?

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melon lord wrote: I'm commenting on a shift in the attitude and behaviour of the fans through the years, which is only my personal observation and I don't have graphs or statistics to back it up. I'm saying if they did, now as opposed to back then would be much more accepting, and again, this is just my opinion. For the reasons I stated: normalisation of their symbiosis and relationship, whatever that is.

They could hide "the truth" until they are old and grey and we all have dementia and have forgotten why we were on this forum in the first place. They could hire a blimp tomorrow and have a giant PHAN IS REAL banner tied on it, flying over London. My point was about the fans' perspective and the way the fans act, regardless of reality, which we just don't know. We can make a lot of assumptions, connect a lot of dots, but that's about it, I'm afraid.

Now see, this is part of why I have distaste over posting my thoughts here. I said "best time" in the beginning of my post and then went on to explain my thought process and nowhere did I imply that I am holding a knife over anyone's throat, metaphorically. It could be that my thought process is shit and that's up for debate, but I did not imply anywhere that I have marked a date on my giant phan calendar and if they don't confess by then so help me.

I wanted a discussion on the fandom. On how it was back then and how it is now and the changes and developments. I wanted a chat about how actually BELIEVING in Phan (not just casually shipping cause you think it's kawaii) was more of a dark niche in the phandom as opposed to now where it's a gigantic beacon shining brightly. I thought about how fans coming in different years would have a different opinion/attitude about Phan and how those nuances would change. I considered the possibility that now is a more accepting and calm era of being a fan than it was back then, even though there are still clashes and rumours and nasty stuff going on. I hoped that, regardless of what they do, from my POV in the gigantic moshpit of fans looking up at Deppy, maybe these will be brighter and more open years than 2012 ever was.
As a still-pretty-new phan, I for one am fascinated by the historical perspectives from people who "were there", and am all ears for your perspective!

It's sometimes hard to reconcile, for example, the trope that they "probably broke up [for a while]" in 2012-13, when what I see is great video content, the radio show, and many wonderfully cute minutes of them in each other's liveshows. That is, the easily-accessible record of that time can seem very Phan-positive. (Yes I am aware of the Customer Service Blog, but that seems minor in comparison.) So, I have to rely on perceptions of people who were phans at the time to fill in the picture of how it was a rough year (or years). :sobs:
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
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oops, i totally misread your post re: dates part.

welp, i wouldn't know how much of a niche shipping was back in 2011-2013, it's however is true that it's pretty much widespread now and is ingrained in their branding. i heard a lot about the almighty dangirls who apprently sent hate comments to phil, dunno if they were real or just a myth. :lol: indeed, if their fans reaction and attitude is what they feared back in the day when they were climbing the youtube ladder, then they'd have a much better reaction now since 1) they'd already made it clear that they are one, a duo or whatever, no one sees them as individual youtubers anymore 2) the shippers might be (?) the majority 3) they have not been talking about being single, wanting girlfriends or flirting with their fans for years now (which might have more to do with the age group of their fans).

i still see a lot of phandom police comment on their youtube videos though.

what i always wonder though is, if they are together (again, i'm still not convinced) and will come out, won't they have to ehh acknowledge all the years of very deliberate denial? that alone is one reason why i would never want to come out in their situation (like i still haven't told my friend of more than 10 years that i lied about my age, even though she has already figured it out but won't directly confront me ).
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
I'm from the middle of the US, and have only seen/eaten a rambutan in the past year or two. Always served whole or peeled. Is that not typical?
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papierklemmen wrote:what i always wonder though is, if they are together (again, i'm still not convinced) and will come out, won't they have to ehh acknowledge all the years of very deliberate denial? that alone is one reason why i would never want to come out in their situation (like i still haven't told my friend of more than 10 years that i lied about my age, even though she has already figured it out but won't directly confront me ).
Would they though? I mean like, yeah, I suppose it would be nice if they were to explain why they denied it, but wouldn't it be kinda self-explanatory?
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Philena wrote:
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
I'm from the middle of the US, and have only seen/eaten a rambutan in the past year or two. Always served whole or peeled. Is that not typical?
Yes, whole or peeled is typical, cut in half like is the weirdest thing i've ever seen hahah
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fancy_nancy wrote:
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SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
I'm from the middle of the US, and have only seen/eaten a rambutan in the past year or two. Always served whole or peeled. Is that not typical?
Yes, whole or peeled is typical, cut in half like is the weirdest thing i've ever seen hahah
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melon lord interesting rant! I was also a part of the fandom back in 2012 - was a completely cringey dangirl back then. I didn't hate Phil but I just didn't get his sense of humour and thought he was weird (a thought that breaks 2017!me's heart) and I know a lot of twelvie dangirls like me had shared the sentiment. Unlike now, where it is almost impossible to think of Dan without Phil or vice versa, they def seemed more like "just a couple of dudes,, with completely separate channels and separate lives, sharing a flat, no homo" to the general public. Now (like you mentioned) it seems like even people who don't know them think of them as a unit. As a person who was on the "opposite side of the phandom" so to speak, there was definitely a bit of a stigma around shippers at the time. It's cool to have seen the phandom community grow and evolve as have developed.

As for the topic of them "coming out", I'm still not entirely convinced that they're together (as in, in a traditional romantic relationship) and lean more towards the queerplatonic/soulmate (?) explanation - but I agree that now is the time to do so if they do feel like they have to come out.
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fancy_nancy wrote:
Philena wrote:
sweetmm wrote:
SquishPhan wrote: I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
I'm from the middle of the US, and have only seen/eaten a rambutan in the past year or two. Always served whole or peeled. Is that not typical?
Yes, whole or peeled is typical, cut in half like is the weirdest thing i've ever seen hahah
Omg. I thought I was the only one who noticed that the rambutan was cut in half. That's UNACCEPTABLE. How can you eat/suck on the flesh around the seed without tasting the bitter seed??? They're wasting my favorite fruit.

High key excited for Dan's birthday greeting tweet? Will he actually have the courage to call Phil "old man?"
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