Dan & Phil Part 38: Everlasting as the Sun

[iero]

really enjoyed the liveshow, i had a v chill time watching it
loved the makeawish talk, lgbt stereotype/gender roles rant and the fact he still had the tattoos on

off topic but i need a compilation of deppys northern accent outbursts omfg. as a northerner it always makes me chuckle, i hope this habit never dies

[SexyTrashCan]

The thing that makes me suspicious about their live chat is that they'll say something, and then a few seconds later they will read out a comment reacting to that. Surely there's a delay? I know for Twitch there's a delay of around 30 seconds after the streamer says something.

^

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A bed or our bed? Played it a few times and heard our bed but jumping to conclusions

[SexyTrashCan]

Geez I can't tell if you guys are having a negative effect on my mental state or I dislike this already 2 minutes in. Like the little praise of Phil at 2:07 though

[SexyTrashCan]

#furriesconfirmed

Triple posting sorry

Also in the livestream Phil calls Dan's curl Babe the pig apparently 7:46

[papierklemmen]

well i must say shit got real during this ls, lol. i have to say i'm on fancybum's side, i have a suspicion he made up those comments. or maybe not, nice to know he has edgy straight male viewers whose opinion he values so much. either way, what a way to start a talk about gender roles, by basically reminiscing about his 2012 "you look gay" younow crowd.

i loved his outburst about not being a ken doll. that def wasn't a joke, hah. i sympathize with him because phandom does tend to want him to live a certain way and keeps pushing it on him.

was that really an Erin reference? i thought he said Aaron (are they pronounced the same in his accent? idek).

[dannonfill]

Also in the livestream Phil calls Dan's curl Babe the pig apparently 7:46

I think Dan was just referring to when Phil said his curl looked like a "curly pig tail" in the pastel edits video, sadly

[SexyTrashCan]

Also in the livestream Phil calls Dan's curl Babe the pig apparently 7:46

I think Dan was just referring to when Phil said his curl looked like a "curly pig tail" in the pastel edits video, sadly

Ah overreaction sorry

[dans left hand]

"...a camera pointing at OUR bed."

dun dun dunnnnnn

How do you know they weren't direct messages?

They ain't. But I have no proof. So there we go.

Evan's watching the show today what's that about..

I mean, I obviously wouldn't put lying past him. Evan tunes in now and again. Must be his Valentine's date

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33:25 ish. At a bed or at our bed? Place your bets.

I'll wait for any of your great timestamps to elaborate further, because what a ride. I must say, one of the things he said that piqued my attention is the casual reference to Erin.

erin as in ex erin??

ugh i hate evan and that whole crew, apart from dodie and connie. why don't they mind their own business and stop being professional fans. they aren't even friends with dnp, why watch dans liveshow? anyway

[SexyTrashCan]

27:24 again praising Phil. Aww

[alittledizzy]

Dan's liveshow timestamps - 14 February 2017

1:07 - "Question of the day, most important thing, obviously - is who has seen the new AmazingPhil video?"
1:20 - Calls it quality content, true art. Understands it is either a blessing or the stupidest thing ever.
1:42 - No one else has done pastel edit before. He actually searches.
2:03 - "Can you believe Phil Lester invented pastel colors?"
2:20 - What the hell are you wearing? "I am wearing what Phil refers to as my parachute sweater."
3:12 - He thinks the idea of videos making alternate versions of yourself is "really stupid."
3:40 - He thought the punk video was cultural appropriation. Really? That's the social justice issue that sticks? Punk appropriation?
4:23 - If he were to get tattoos, there's nothing wrong with the flower ones. Lotus flower and cherry blossom, he can get behind that.
4:46 (Chat: Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?") "Wow, thanks Logan in the chat, for saying that. Absolutely savage. I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day."
6:39 - The temporary tattoos were physically upsetting him by yesterday evening, tried to scratch them away. Doesn't like the idea of anything on him forever. "Don't feel like I'm the kind of person that has enough commitment to anything to be able to get something permanently inked onto me. But maybe, who knows, one day I'll just have an experience that's so important to me and amazing that suddenly that'll happen." Aw, Dan's gonna get the date they adopt a dog tattood onto him.
7:15 - Someone asks how his day has been. He says, slow and immediately starts talking about yesterday being intense. They don't normally film and edit in the same day.
7:44 - Dan edits AP videos, confirmed. (Did we even need that confirmed? They edit it all together.)
7:53 - His curl is not named Babe the Pig. ("Thanks, Phil, for that one.")
8:04 - Stopped straightening his hair because he thinks the lens they use to film makes his hair and face look flat and round, and he wants to look more 3D.
9:10 - "Everyone would unsubscribe if I put it on danisnotonfire. But we made it, some people enjoyed it, made you smile, good." His complex about what he can and can't do on dinof continues undeterred. Though I kind of get it, if he let himself just film and post anything for that channel then he would have less of an excuse for procrastinating the vide making but chances are still wouldn't feel less judged, deep down.
9:40 - He only got one university acceptance. "From Manchester and it was unconditional so like, yep, who cares about exams, not Danny!"
9:54 - They watched The Walking Dead.
11:20 - Make A Wish charity storytime.
12:18 - "Me and Phil do quite a few a year."
14:07 - Story about talking to the woman who does Make A Wish and how they get more youtuber requests than anything else now, most make a wish people spend a lot of time in hospital/on the internet, and spend time watching youtubers. It's hearwarming and nice. Markiplier mention.
15:36 - Got one set of Hamilton tickets and is working on getting another pair, presuming he'll want to see it more than once.
16:00 - "You can do things and not tell people sometimes. You don't need to tell everyone like, look at me." re: doing charity stuff and not telling people.
16:20 - Puts the flower crown on.
16:31 - "All the edgy straight guys that watch me for the memes are like, I'm out."
17:42 - Puts wig on. Three minutes of people telling him who he looks like.
20:17 - Does he look like a fuckboy in the thumbnail of his last liveshow? Claims he was trying to look like an ugly rat.
22:15 - Dan is threatening George's masculinity.
22:37 - Phil bought a 100 pack of cotton wool pads and baby oil. Dan begins to remove lotus blossom tattoo, stops when people in chat protest it a lot.
23:29 - "Do I ever feel objectified? Maybe I want to get them off because they're hurting my hand. Maybe I'm not just a ken doll for you to objectify and ship and wish I lived the life you wanted. No, no, I'm Dan- 'Get rid of it, it makes you look gay.'" And then he just breaks off his rant to laugh and then launch into another rant that somehow seems to calm him from whatever he'd been working up to with that last bit.
24:04 - Long rant about how things can't look like a sexuality, there are correlations between behaviors and stereotypes but it's bad when things feed into heteronormativism and harmful to people living in a patriarchy. I'll wait and let someone else type the full quote out but this is the Dan I'm here for. He stresses me out, but it's real, I'm down with it.
26:00 - Gender roles make no sense.
27:24 - "Phil is just this pioneer of art and creativity." "Maybe you should all take a moment to appreciate the originality of Phil Lester pioneering the pastel edits." He sounds sarcastic, and I do believe part of him is sarcastic, but I also believe he'd genuinely be proud as fuck if this did catch on.
27:54 - Firebox.
28:32 - "There's a couple conventions we don't know about because we have some plans for this year." Can't commit to Vidcon Europe or SITC bc they don't know what they'll be doing then.
28:54 - "Me and Phil just really want to go back to Australia, and stop somewhere along the way."
29:30 - "I don't know how pricey [Australian convention meet and greet tickets] are." Yes you do, you can't even make eye contact with the camera right now.
29:45 - "I promise if we ever find out that we could go to Vidcon Europe or SITC, we'd tell you first." No, honestly, you wouldn't, you're always literally the last to say it, tickets go on sale and completely sell out before you ever mention it, you are a liar.
30:50 - Talks about being too negative to protect himself, differences in American and British humor, how youtubers are perceived as a legitimate career. There's a lot to unpack but that goes for this whole liveshow so I'll come back to this later.
31:58 - Steven Universe.
32:50 - Porn tweet. "But it's true."
33:03 - Has no idea what their neighbors think. (I hear 'a bed' not 'our bed.')
33:40 - Hasn't seen Curious Incident of the Dog at Midnight, wants to. Looking forward to Hamilton.
33:50 - Going to see Book of Mormon again, fourth or fifth time.
35:25 - Myspace friends ranking drama. Too real. (I would say, if myspace using university aged me were someone who had friends.)
36:37 - "Well, I don't know, Erin" the fu----- did he misspeak then self-correct? I'm gonna assume that's what he did. Even if it's just because his mental association with high school = Erin.
36:45 - Grammy and BAFTA talk. I checked out for this part.
41:01 - Chat says Dan should go in public with his tattoo, Dan's response is: "Phil did the other day, he went to the dentist with his big flower." Wait, so they didn't film it yesterday?
41:37 - tv talk, Riverdale. He sold me on it.
45:00 - Tease for next video, something ongoing in his professional life. (Dan Is Not On Fire? Wanting to change to Dan Howell?)
45:28 - Went for trashy all caps in piano teacher video, thinking of changing it.
45:50 - He was planning on wearing the pink sweater but he spilled chili on it last night. So, ok, maybe they did film it yesterday. They shot it, Phil went to the dentist, Dan edited?
46:11 - "Me and Phil don't have that much time to watch things. We should watch more." (re: Rick and Morty)
46:36 - His family got him a picture of a mug with a dog on it. Shade about money/that being all he got. Really, Dan? A) You're a damn millionaire, enjoy presents that are sentimental and not just high monetary value. B) You already said your family got you the Book of Mormon behind the scenes book, that's not literally the only thing they got you.
47:06 - Saying you don't need material possessions works better when you haven't just shaded them for not spending enough money on you.
48:18 - The Santa Clarita Diet. "Phil started watching it and I was like, what is this rubbish show you're watching." Addictive and heartwarming. (Is this how Phil makes Dan watch shows Dan wouldn't normally? Just turns them on confident in the knowledge that Dan would rather sit through anything than leave the room while Phil is in it?)
49:45 - "Not every show has to try and be Game of Thrones or The Wire. Some of them can just be funny comedy series [...] and it's just so funny, and that's all it has to be and it's just good." Dan, go stand in front of your mirror and recite that out loud except replace "show" with "youtube video", and "Game of Thrones or The Wire" with "quality content." Repeat until it sinks in.
51:00 - No Monopoly on DAPG.
51:49 - He likes mac and cheese, but has only had it once. It's not a British thing, and his "My mum doesn't like cheese or creamy things so she would never eat it or buy it."
52:41 - "And then Phil doesn't like cheese." Wow, Dan has lived a cheese deprived life.
53:36 - Dan likes cats.
54:01 - Cynical, doesn't believe anything not proven by hard science. Yes, Dan. Same, Dan.
54:29 - Tattoos of them give them a mild crisis. He says "Makes me have- makes us have."
54:53 - Manged shoutout! Best part of the liveshow, hands down. He loved that art so much, I'm so alive.
56:47 - Chat says: Your shows are less chill these days. "Are they? I don't think so. Depends on what you want to talk about."
57:37 - Phil's Angel bday present. "Holy frick. Oh my god. Jesus Christ. I have to get this." "So for Phil's bday I gave him a signed nude of David Boreanaz. Oh yeah." He doesn't know where Phil put it.
1:00:36 - Pastel edits is trending, he's not going to check that comments section. "Gonna be lots of Georges and [other name] not liking the pastel vibes. That's okay, you know - anyone that feelst he need to hate on another person is really a victim of the patriarchy that feels like if any aspect of their masculinity or their idea of what male roles is is being threatened, that that's a bad thing, so in a way we should feel sympathetic for them and hope that one day they view themselves from a part away from themselves and say that hey maybe I'm not afraid to wear a flower crown and whether I like it or not I just embrace the softness."

[SexyTrashCan]

Dan's liveshow timestamps - 14 February 2017

1:07 - "Question of the day, most important thing, obviously - is who has seen the new AmazingPhil video?"
1:20 - Calls it quality content, true art. Understands it is either a blessing or the stupidest thing ever.
1:42 - No one else has done pastel edit before. He actually searches.
2:03 - "Can you believe Phil Lester invented pastel colors?"
2:20 - What the hell are you wearing? "I am wearing what Phil refers to as my parachute sweater."
3:12 - He thinks the idea of videos making alternate versions of yourself is "really stupid."
3:40 - He thought the punk video was cultural appropriation. Really? That's the social justice issue that sticks? Punk appropriation?
4:23 - If he were to get tattoos, there's nothing wrong with the flower ones. Lotus flower and cherry blossom, he can get behind that.
4:46 (Chat: Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?") "Wow, thanks Logan in the chat, for saying that. Absolutely savage. I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day."
6:39 - The temporary tattoos were physically upsetting him by yesterday evening, tried to scratch them away. Doesn't like the idea of anything on him forever. "Don't feel like I'm the kind of person that has enough commitment to anything to be able to get something permanently inked onto me. But maybe, who knows, one day I'll just have an experience that's so important to me and amazing that suddenly that'll happen." Aw, Dan's gonna get the date they adopt a dog tattood onto him.
7:15 - Someone asks how his day has been. He says, slow and immediately starts talking about yesterday being intense. They don't normally film and edit in the same day.
7:44 - Dan edits AP videos, confirmed. (Did we even need that confirmed? They edit it all together.)
7:53 - His curl is not named Babe the Pig. ("Thanks, Phil, for that one.")
8:04 - Stopped straightening his hair because he thinks the lens they use to film makes his hair and face look flat and round, and he wants to look more 3D.
9:10 - "Everyone would unsubscribe if I put it on danisnotonfire. But we made it, some people enjoyed it, made you smile, good." His complex about what he can and can't do on dinof continues undeterred. Though I kind of get it, if he let himself just film and post anything for that channel then he would have less of an excuse for procrastinating the vide making but chances are still wouldn't feel less judged, deep down.
9:40 - He only got one university acceptance. "From Manchester and it was unconditional so like, yep, who cares about exams, not Danny!"
9:54 - They watched The Walking Dead.
11:20 - Make A Wish charity storytime.
12:18 - "Me and Phil do quite a few a year."
14:07 - Story about talking to the woman who does Make A Wish and how they get more youtuber requests than anything else now, most make a wish people spend a lot of time in hospital/on the internet, and spend time watching youtubers. It's hearwarming and nice. Markiplier mention.
15:36 - Got one set of Hamilton tickets and is working on getting another pair, presuming he'll want to see it more than once.
16:00 - "You can do things and not tell people sometimes. You don't need to tell everyone like, look at me." re: doing charity stuff and not telling people.
16:20 - Puts the flower crown on.
16:31 - "All the edgy straight guys that watch me for the memes are like, I'm out."
17:42 - Puts wig on. Three minutes of people telling him who he looks like.
20:17 - Does he look like a fuckboy in the thumbnail of his last liveshow? Claims he was trying to look like an ugly rat.
22:15 - Dan is threatening George's masculinity.
22:37 - Phil bought a 100 pack of cotton wool pads and baby oil. Dan begins to remove lotus blossom tattoo, stops when people in chat protest it a lot.
23:29 - "Do I ever feel objectified? Maybe I want to get them off beacuse they're hurting my hand. Maybe I'm not just a ken doll for you to objectify and ship and wish I lived the life you wanted. No, no, I'm Dan- 'Get rid of it, it makes you look gay.'" And then he just breaks off his rant to laugh and then launch into another rant that somehow seems to calm him from whatever he'd been working up to with that last bit.
24:04 - Long rant about how things can't look like a sexuality, there are correlations between behaviors and stereotypes but it's bad when things feed into heteronormativism and harmful to people living in a patriarchy. I'll wait and let someone else type the full quote out but this is the Dan I'm here for. He stresses me out, but it's real, I'm down with it.
26:00 - Gender roles make no sense.
27:24 - "Phil is just this pioneer of art and creativity." "Maybe you should all take a moment to appreciate the originality of Phil Lester pioneering the pastel edits." He sounds sarcastic, and I do believe part of him is sarcastic, but I also believe he'd genuinely be proud as fuck if this did catch on.
27:54 - Firebox.
28:32 - "There's a couple conventions we dont' know about because we have some plans for this year." Can't commit to Vidcon Europe or SITC bc they don't know what they'll be doing then.
28:54 - "Me and Phil just really want to go back to Australia, and stop somewhere along the way."
29:30 - "I don't know how pricy [Australian convention meet and greet tickets] are." Yes you do, you can't even make eye contact with the camera right now.
29:45 - "I promise if we ever find out that we could go to Vidcon Europe or SITC, we'd tell you first." No, honestly, you wouldn't, you're always literally the last to say it, tickets go on sale and completely sell out before you ever mention it, you are a liar.
30:50 - Talks about being too negative to protect himself, differences in American and British humor, how youtubers are percieved as a legitimate career. There's a lot to unpack but that goes for this whole liveshow so I'll come back to this later.
31:58 - Steven Universe.
32:50 - Porn tweet. "But it's true."
33:03 - Has no idea what their neighbors think. (I hear 'a bed' not 'our bed.')
33:40 - Hasn't seen Curious Incident of the Dog at Midnight, wants to. Looking forward to Hamilton.
33:50 - Going to see Book of Mormon again, fourth or fifth time.
35:25 - Myspace friends ranking drama. Too real. (I would say, if myspace using university aged me were someone who had friends.)
36:37 - "Well, I don't know, Erin" the fu----- did he misspeak then self-correct? I'm gonna assume that's what he did. Even if it's just because his mental association with high school = Erin.
36:45 - Grammy and BAFTA talk. I checked out for this part.
41:01 - Chat says Dan should go in public with his tattoo, Dan's response is: "Phil did the other day, he went to the dentist with his big flower." Wait, so they didn't film it yesterday?
41:37 - tv talk, Riverdale. He sold me on it.
45:00 - Tease for next video, something ongoing in his professional life. (Dan Is Not On Fire? Wanting to change to Dan Howell?)
45:28 - Went for trashy all caps in piano teacher video, thinking of changing it.
45:50 - He was planning on wearing the pink sweater but he spilled chili on it last night. So, ok, maybe they did film it yesterday. They shot it, Phil went to the dentist, Dan edited?
46:11 - "Me and Phil don't have that much time to watch things. We should watch more." (re: Rick and Morty)
46:36 - His family got him a picture of a mug with a dog on it. Shade about money/that being all he got. Really, Dan? A) You're a damn millionare, enjoy presents that are sentimental and not just high montary value. B) You already said your family got you the Book of Mormon behind the scenes book, that's not literally the only thing they got you.
47:06 - Saying you don't need material posessions works better when you haven't just shaded them for not spending enough money on you.
48:18 - The Santa Clarita Diet. "Phil started watching it and I was like, what is this rubbish show you're watching." Addictive and heartwarming. (Is this how Phil makes Dan watch shows Dan wouldn't normally? Just turns them on confident in the knowledge that Dan would rather sit through anything than leave the room while Phil is in it?)
49:45 - "Not every show has to try and be Game of Thrones or The Wire. Some of them can just be funny comedy series [...] and it's just so funny, and that's all it has to be and it's just good." Dan, go stand in front of your mirror and recite that out loud except replace "show" with "youtube video", and "Game of Thrones or The Wire" with "quality content." Repeat until it sinks in.
51:00 - No Monopoly on DAPG.
51:49 - He likes mac and cheese, but has only had it once. It's not a British thing, and his "My mum doesn't like cheese or creamy things so she would never eat it or buy it."
52:41 - "And then Phil doesn't like cheese." Wow, Dan has lived a cheese deprived life.
53:36 - Dan likes cats.
54:01 - Cynical, doesn't believe anything not proven by hard science. Yes, Dan. Same, Dan.
54:29 - Tattoos of them give them a mild crisis. He says "Makes me have- makes us have."
54:53 - Manged shoutout! Best part of the liveshow, hands down. He loved that art so much, I'm so alive.
56:47 - Chat says: Your shows are less chill these days. "Are they? I don't think so. Depends on what you want to talk about."
57:37 - Phil's Angel bday present. "Holy frick. Oh my god. Jesus Christ. I have to get this." "So for Phil's bday I gave him a signed nude of David Boreanaz. Oh yeah." He doesn't know where Phil put it.
1:00:36 - Pastel edits is trending, he's not going to check that comments section. "Gonna be lots of Georges and [other name] not liking the pastel vibes. That's okay, you know - anyone that feelst he need to hate on another person is really a victim of the patriarchy that feels like if any aspect of their masculinity or their idea of what male roles is is being threatened, that that's a bad thing, so in a way we should feel sympathetic for them and hope that one day they view themselves from a part away from themselves and say that hey maybe I'm not afraid to wear a flower crown and whether I like it or not I just embrace the softness."

Thanks for timestamps. Over-analysing or he glossed over describing how his day went?

[pastelspectre]

this was one of my fave live shows i watched of his! his gender role comments and the lgbt rant and him dressing up in the cute wig... i am in love i couldn't stop laughing near the end at his comments and just all the comments he made in general esp about the memes and that trash dove sticker and..aa it was all just a great liveshow, definitely a fave of mine.

[Artdefines06]

2 things from people stuff i saw today;

1) where dan gets things to say in chat: He only reads the younow chat (there isn't one on tumblr and youtube goes too fast). I have an obsession with reading and could never tear my eyes away from the chatbox and always saw the things he commented on 15-30 seconds before he noticed them, so I would say there is a lag. Either that or his version of the chat moves slower so it's easier to read. idk. But I have always seen the questions that he asked because I find it more interesting to look at the chatbox than at him lol.

2) i thought it was strange that Dan helped edit Phil's video. Some people were confused on the timeline about when phil went to the dentist. If going to the dentist was just a cleaning, it's maybe two hours of the day. So if they filmed it in the morning, then phil went to the dentist while Dan did a rough edit, then phil came home and did a final edit they still could have gotten it out on time. and isn't that sweet

[Sakura Selfie]

[offtopic]I actually love the fact he recognises the fact that dressing up in tartan and putting a bit of eyeliner on doesn't make you a punk, I could write a very long boring monologue about this but the punk movement was incredibly important to young working class people in the uk in the late 70s/early 80s, the political atmosphere at the time was horrendous and there were a lot of race riots in the uk and if you look into the clash they document the time really well with their discography. Punk was a movement, some of it was fake like the pistols who were manufactured by mclaren and yes the clothes were a part of the movement but if you look at the political and socio economic landscape of of the U.K. In that time it was protest music for frustrated working class people who desperately needed a voice to scream their frustration at ears that didn't want to listen and didn't care.

(Apologies for the length of this rambling trust me I could ramble longer about this sorry.[/offtopic]

[Birdie]

He seemed somewhat on edge in this one, didn’t he? I’m also not sure how genuine his hatred of the video is but if it’s real that would be very sad. I just wish he would let himself do fun things on his channel too now and again but I guess if this is a creative slump or he feels he needs to be better at what he does then it’s not necessarily rational. I feel like he’s not happy with a lot of things lately and the way the phandom treats him but I don’t want to speculate on this. It’s too personal. Let’s just hope it gets sorted out because he seemed so genuinely happy just a few months ago. I’m not complaining about how open he is about this though, I think it’s good he is confident enough to let people know when he’s not okay with something. I like this Dan a lot.

49:45 - "Not every show has to try and be Game of Thrones or The Wire. Some of them can just be funny comedy series [...] and it's just so funny, and that's all it has to be and it's just good." Dan, go stand in front of your mirror and recite that out loud except replace "show" with "youtube video", and "Game of Thrones or The Wire" with "quality content." Repeat until it sinks in.

This. But it’s hard to realise that not everything you create has to be “deep” to have value. Sometimes the light hearted, funny things are worth so much more than the “deep” and “clever” stuff. It’s kind of the eternal struggle of creative people to want to create something big and meaningful and not being able to see that maybe you’re already doing that, you just can’t realise it at the moment.

[Phantasy]

Not even 10 minutes in, I was already left :wtf: . Because somebody in the chat kinda roasted Dan for being online during Valentines Day cause it's something single people will do. And that would have been a good opening for him to joke about being single and he didn't. I don't know why it really stood out to me that I had to come here right immediately.

Yes! That was for me very revealing and stood out. He clearly did not lump himself into the "losers that have no relationships" bucket and took no opportunity to draw a parallel to himself...

Chat: "Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?"
Dan: "Wow, okay, thanks Logan in the chat for saying that. Absolutely savage. Um, I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day. Logan's here in the chat dragging all of you just for being here..."

He could have said us...why didn't he say us??

I really think 2016 was Dan's year to normalize his sexuality through transparency, not necessarily omission, and now I think that 2017 is Phil's year to do the same and for them both to start normalizing their status as a couple—not saying it's building up to some grand reveal, but incremental moves further and further away from outright denials (for which it's been years) or busgate-esque fakeouts (a blip on an otherwise upward trajectory towards normalizing their not so p l a t o n i c relationship).

[malday]

He seemed somewhat on edge in this one, didn’t he? I’m also not sure how genuine his hatred of the video is but if it’s real that would be very sad. I just wish he would let himself do fun things on his channel too now and again but I guess if this is a creative slump or he feels he needs to be better at what he does then it’s not necessarily rational. I feel like he’s not happy with a lot of things lately and the way the phandom treats him but I don’t want to speculate on this. It’s too personal. Let’s just hope it gets sorted out because he seemed so genuinely happy just a few months ago. I’m not complaining about how open he is about this though, I think it’s good he is confident enough to let people know when he’s not okay with something. I like this Dan a lot.

He didn't seem on the edge to me at all.
Even when he went on rants he seemed chill, though it felt like he was rushing a bit at the end.

[Birdie]

He didn't seem on the edge to me at all.
Even when he went on rants he seemed chill, though it felt like he was rushing a bit at the end.

I didn't really mean angry or even agitated. He was chill but his choice of topics was different and he did go on that Ken doll rant (which I thought was really important and I wish he would have continued what he wanted to say). I'm a bit of a loss for the right word here. I liked this ls though, he said some really good things and I like that he isn't quite as unwilling to state his opinions as he used to be. I just got a bit of a weird vibe now and then but I don't mean this as criticism. I think it was interesting and I prefer him talking about stuff that matters to him over fake cheeriness anyway.

[papierklemmen]

Yes! That was for me very revealing and stood out. He clearly did not lump himself into the "losers that have no relationships" bucket and took no opportunity to draw a parallel to himself...

Chat: "Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?"
Dan: "Wow, okay, thanks Logan in the chat for saying that. Absolutely savage. Um, I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day. Logan's here in the chat dragging all of you just for being here..."

He could have said us...why didn't he say us??

tbh the question didn't refer to him as single either, it was emphasizing the audience as in "you are streaming for THESE SINGLE LOSERS", so his own relationship status was irrelevant.

[Phantasy]

Yes! That was for me very revealing and stood out. He clearly did not lump himself into the "losers that have no relationships" bucket and took no opportunity to draw a parallel to himself...

Chat: "Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?"
Dan: "Wow, okay, thanks Logan in the chat for saying that. Absolutely savage. Um, I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day. Logan's here in the chat dragging all of you just for being here..."

He could have said us...why didn't he say us??

tbh the question didn't refer to him as single either, it was emphasizing the audience as in "you are streaming for THESE SINGLE LOSERS", so his own relationship status was irrelevant.

Totally fair, but the other point being it was a perfect opportunity to draw a parallel to himself, which he didn't.

[captainspacecoat]

Well that was an interesting liveshow!

re: making up guys' names to bring up masculinity/gender roles discussion - I have noticed that he does seem to mention guys names from the chat more than he ever used to. I just assumed that was because he streams them on youtube now, where more casual male viewers will stumble across them.

But then again, I don't watch them live so I have no idea whether he's just making them up or not. I found those rants (rants feels like the wrong word, topics? discussions? idk) really interesting, and I agreed with everything he said. His reaction to "you look gay" seemed more lighthearted than the way he used to react a few years ago, and I really appreciated that he brought up both that it is perfectly fine for people to align with stereotypes of their sexuality AND that it is damaging to stereotype sexualities based on appearance. It was a more nuanced discussion than I would have expected of him. He also distanced himself from the "edgy straight guys" watching, which was nice.

Having said that though, I do agree in a way with fancybum that he does seem almost fixated on the opinion of male viewers, and whether or not he's making them up or genuinely reading them out from the chat it does interest me (and kind of annoy me, ngl) that he puts so much weight behind their opinion. I wonder if it's an internalised thing that comes from being a guy and having always naturally compared himself to other guys, idk. I feel like I have a lot of half-formed thoughts on this that aren't worth going into right now.

re: present from parents - I thought the mug was adorable, and like others have said I'm sure he mentioned that his parents also got him the Book of Mormon book so his comments did kind of come across as harsh and biting. I don't really know what else to say about it though, as there's so much we just don't know so I feel like any commentary I could make is kind of futile.

re: our bed vs a bed - I definitely heard 'a bed', so much so that that comment didn't even register to me until I came on here. I could be wrong, but it sounded like "uh" whereas in his accent 'our' would sound more like "ow" I think.

re: valentines day comments - He definitely passed up several opportunities to imply that he's single, and was sure to distance himself from any comments that talked about being alone on Valentines Day. I personally take this as further confirmation that he's not single, but I guess that's up to interpretation.

re: Dan's perceived integrity - To me he comes across as highly insecure about his own content, and it's frustrating as I think it actually hinders him while simultaneously kind of throwing Phil's content under the bus a bit (I don't think that's his intention, but it does come across that way to me). I understand why this is the case - he's a perfectionist whose content is on display for 6+ million people, that must be incredibly confronting and would stress me out to the point where I would probably combust. But I do think he could benefit from relaxing about it just a smidge (obviously easier said than done, I get it).

re: new vid - I thought the same thing as alittledizzy, that he may be talking about changing to Dan Howell and the clickbaity title he mentioned will be something like "No More danisnotonfire?????"

re: conventions - They really wanted to come back to Australia and stop somewhere on the way! Like others have said, Japan 2.0 maybe? Also makes me think they'll stay longer in Australia and explore a bit more, which is exciting. Sidenote: why on earth is the festival called Cool For Summer when it'll be mid autumn in Australia?? Makes no sense.

They also can't confirm SITC or Vidcon EU due to vague plans. This has me so intrigued - moving maybe? Or otherwise a mysterious new project idk

re: possible Erin mention - I definitely heard Erin and was very taken aback. I wonder if that just slipped out naturally due to talking about myspace and old school friends, or if he assumed most people wouldn't notice/care/know who she was even? Or maybe he did just say Aaron, idk.

an unimportant thing that annoyed me:

9:40 - He only got one university acceptance. "From Manchester and it was unconditional so like, yep, who cares about exams, not Danny!"

I've noticed this is something he does quite a lot and it annoys me tbh. People will talk about an achievement of theirs, and he'll congratulate them (which is nice) but then one-up them and idk it just rubs me the wrong way. Not very important, but it pisses me off.

And thus concludes my rambly thoughts I guess, I didn't really get the vibe that he was on edge and thought for the most part he was quite relaxed and rambly, but I can see how others did get that vibe tbh. Also loved the way he talked about Make A Wish, it was very respectful and humble and genuine and was one of my favourite bits of the liveshow

[papierklemmen]

Yes! That was for me very revealing and stood out. He clearly did not lump himself into the "losers that have no relationships" bucket and took no opportunity to draw a parallel to himself...

Chat: "Dan, are you streaming on Valentine's Day for all the losers that have no relationships?"
Dan: "Wow, okay, thanks Logan in the chat for saying that. Absolutely savage. Um, I'm here because it's a Tuesday, and it happens to fall on Valentine's Day. Logan's here in the chat dragging all of you just for being here..."

He could have said us...why didn't he say us??

tbh the question didn't refer to him as single either, it was emphasizing the audience as in "you are streaming for THESE SINGLE LOSERS", so his own relationship status was irrelevant.

Totally fair, but the other point being it was a perfect opportunity to draw a parallel to himself, which he didn't.

i'd be more surprised if he did because it hasn't been in his style since what, 2014?

[malday]

not that it matters that much but, I heard "Aaron" and "a bed".

[Amiaw]

I liked the liveshow. There were moments where Dan seemed a little flustered but he didn't seem agitated. I'm usually iffy about Dans ls because it can put me in a bad mood but I thought he seemed positive.

Also, he never mentioned anything that could be considered personal as far as Valentines is concerned and although he talked about Phil he didn't mention where Phil was and he usually at least acknowledges the question when it comes up. He did that thing that people do where they talk about a lot of things to distract people from the fact that they aren't saying anything personal. Very noticeable.

The only things I really gleaned from this liveshow: "
"we", "me and Phil" Phil is....(insert some praise or something Phil teased him about)
Family shade- I didn't take it as a bad thing, I think he got defensive because he got a mug he really liked and didn't want to give anybody the opportunity to mock it so he did it for us
Rants: good on him to say what he did and shows that he's grown as a person but Danny is still insecure and that's okay

One thing he's been talking about lately: (Phil too actually)
How it's okay to keep things private - said today and in a recent gaming video
Career aspirations and personal goals can be separate- sims video

Makes me think he is hiding something or trying to justify something

[fancybum]

Phil and Misc Watch 2017
Daniel-Dream-X’s Pastel Paradise (Week 6)

Prompted Phil Mention

27:50 (chat) Phil went all out on the prep for this vid
“Yeah, he spent so much money on a glowing bloody unicorn that Firebox won’t stop promo-ing people”

48:05 (chat) Talk about Santa Clarita Diet
“Another Netflix spon, where’s the hashtag-ad Netflix?”
-(actually that’d be a spon I would support wholeheartedly, Grace did a spon for them last year so they’re clearly open to the YT market, get on this shit Netflix)
“Phil started watching this, and I was like ‘What is this rubbish show you’re watching’”
-I want them to watch Justified to see Olyphant where he actually belongs

54:25 (chat) I got a tattoo of you and Phil
“Yeah, I saw a few of those on tour”
“makes us have a mild crisis and then go ‘cool. really? I guess. amazing’”

57:25 (chat) Dan wtf did you buy Phil for [his] birthday?
“Oh shit did you see that, is that a thing you know about now. Yeah, so Phil’s birthday was a couple weeks ago”
“I stumbled across this photo of David Boreanaz topless in a bubble bath with his nipples out looking sensual”
“For Phil’s birthday I gave him a signed nude of David Boreanaz”
“I don’t know where Phil’s put it, but that’s something for him to tell you about"

Unprompted Phil Mention

2:20 (chat) Dan what are you wearing
“I am wearing what Phil refers to as my parachute sweater"

7:50 (chat) What’s your curl’s name?
“I dunno. Definitely not ‘Babe the Pig’ though. Thanks Phil, for that one.”
-Yeah, I can definitely see Phil asking somebody if they’re pregnant when they’re not. smh.

22:35 “Phil bought cotton wool pads” and baby oil to rub off the tattoos

27:10 (chat) You invented being soft
“Can you believe I invented being soft and Phil invented pastel colours on YT? Honestly. Is it the 7SC? Is it pastel edits? Phil is just this pioneer of art and creativity. Some people might be saying, ‘Hey, I like the danisnotonfire content with the sketches and the this that and the other, but the pastel edits, hey, maybe you should all take a moment to appreciate the originality of Phil Lester pioneering the Pastel Tag that I’m sure will sweep across YT and not at all be a flop like the Toilet Tag that was a complete flop.”
-literally who asked for any of that.

40:45 (chat) You should go in public with the tattoo
“Phil did the other day, he went to the dentist with his big flower”

40:10 “Me and Phil, we don’t have that much time to watch things”
-except for the literally everything that they do have time to watch

52:35 “Nobody ever gave me mac and cheese [growing up because his mom doesn’t like cheese], then [didn’t eat it at Uni either] and then Phil doesn’t like cheese. I’ve literally only had mac and cheese once in my entire life.”

Neutral Phil Mention

1:10 “Who has seen the new AmazingPhil video? Dan and Phil: Pastel Edits in Real Life. Some quality content for you there.”

2:00 “Can you believe Phil Lester invented pastel colours?”

02:40 “Yesterday AmazingPhil uploaded a video”

07:18 “Yesterday was like intense ‘cause me nor Phil usually ever film and edit videos in the same day. To be fair, Phil spent quite a long time preparing for the video, ordering tons of crap off the internet”
“We filmed it in the morning and Phil was like, ‘I wanna put it up today’ so we were like, ‘EDIT'”
-So Dan’s eyes are in pain today from all the editing. That he did. On Phil’s video.

8:12 "Me and Phil, we film our videos with a weird lens"

11:10 "uploaded that video with Phil"

11:20-15:35 & 15:50 - (Make-A-Wish talk)
“Lots of YTers do things for MAW which is cool. Not every YTer talks about it all the time, but [many do it]. Me and Phil, we do quite a few a year, but this one was like, we had to post a photo about this”
“When we met Zoe, we were like ‘Thanks for picking us to come spend some time with’. It’s basically Phil’s wish to go feed some meerkats.”
“MAW, it’s always really sad and really heartwarming doing that.”
“For YTers— like Markiplier who does so many, he’s amazing, obviously, for a billion reasons— but whenever me and Phil get to do it, it’s just such a nice thing.”
“And also me and Phil aren’t like ‘boast about all the’— not that it’s boasting, but you can do things and not tell people sometimes. You don’t need to tell everybody like ‘look at me [doing charity]’”


28:30 (chat) SITC?
"We don’t know— there’s a couple conventions we don’t know about because we have some plans for this year. So we haven't managed to say yes to VidCon Europe ‘cause we can’t commit to it. We don’t know what we’ll be doing around SITC. VidCon LA I think we will be going to, ‘cause there’s some stuff we’ll want to do in California”
An Australian Convention “have asked me and Phil to go, and me and Phil really want to go back to Australia and stop somewhere along the way, so… [check the website]. Me and Phil will be doing a stage thing for 20 minutes so everybody that goes [with the normal ticket] can see us [and meetups are separate]”
“But I promise, if we ever find out that we can go to VidCon Europe or SITC, or something like that, we’d tell you first [so don’t sit around waiting for announcements from those events] because me and Phil will always tell you first if and when we can make it to a YT event. But there’s some we don’t know if we can make it to yet, c’est la vie.”
-I mean, that’s a blatant lie as we heard about Amplify before they bothered mentioning it. Is this a very sly acknowledgement of the little SITC/twitter thing yesterday? As in ‘please don’t annoy them because we’ll tell you first’

-I think Japhan 2.0 (their “stop along the way” to or from Aus) will be New Zealand. New Zea..phan..d…? I’ll work on it. And SITC is a couple of days in early August, but they can't commit because they don't know what they'll be doing then. Because they have plans this year with no set dates yet. Possibly around August. NOTED.

32:50 (chat) Talk about the tweet
“The porn one? Yup, sorry about that. But it was true. Honestly, Phil’s bedroom was completely destroyed.”

51:00 (chat) Are you ever gonna play Monopoly on DAPG?
“Probably not. We’d literally die.”
51:30 (chat) 24 hour Monopoly livestream
“Yup, ending in our murder-suicide."

1:01:25 “And if you haven’t seen the AmazingPhil video” pastel pastel etc

Miscellaneous

3:30 (about uncomfortable feelings about the Punk Edits vid): "Oh my god I’m like one of those people who appropriates cultures on Halloween”
-That’s a good line tbh

04:45 (chat) Dan are you streaming on Valentine’s Day for all the losers that have no relationships
“Wow, okay, thanks Logan, in the chat, for saying that. Absolutely savage. I’m here 'cause it’s a Tuesday, it happens to fall on Valentine’s Day, Logan's here in the chat dragging all of you just for being here and choosing to spend your time with me.”
-Nice, focusing on the relationship status of the viewers, nothing to do with him. Good conveniently phrased question, yes thank you Logan for asking it…
…
…

6:35 (ostensibly about tattoos, but watch me project) “I just don’t feel like I’m the kind of person that has enough commitment to anything to be able to get something permanently inked onto me. But maybe, who knows, maybe one day I’ll just have an experience that’s just so important to me, and amazing, that suddenly that’ll happen.”
-how subtle was that of me
-too subtle?
-tattooed wedding band ahem i mean what

8:00 “I think what did it for me was that my straight hair, when I straightened it, can look quite cool sometimes, but quite often it’s a hideous mess [something something camera morphs his hair] ‘you know what, until I replace my camera, I’m just going to have curly hair’ [so I look better on YT] and then who knows, people like it.”
-He started this in Hong Kong and Australia and ‘blamed’ the humidity. Now it’s the YT cameras. Just do what you want with your hair, nobody is looking for a ‘reason’ for it. This poor man is going to let the internet drive him crazy.

09:00 (chat) The pastel video made me so happy
“It’s the kind of thing where everybody would unsubscribe if I put it on danisnotonfire (laughs) like the conversation that was happening last week. But hey, we made it, some people enjoyed it, made you smile, good. I think it was just calming to watch."
-who would unsubscribe? how much of his audience on dinof does he believe doesn’t overlap with AP and why does he believe that segment of viewers holds him to some rigid standard. It’s fine to just say ‘I only want to do sketches/stories on dinof [now that I’m finally done dumping all the book/tour spon all over it] because that’s what I’m into’ stop invoking some imaginary judgemental viewership that apparently doesn’t know you exist on other channels as well, damn

16:30 (puts on flower crown) “Aww. Wow. All the edgy straight guys that watch me for the memes are like, ‘Nope no I’m out’. No, just be soft. You all need to embrace your pastel sides. I think even if you’re like me [with the black and irony and blah blah blah] you might be like, ‘Cringe, cringe, don’t like all the flowery stuff’ but just give it a shot because sometimes it’ll make you calm down. The more pastel you become— it’s like taking a deep breath and becoming calmer."
-I don’t. I just. I want to see the breakdown of his analytics and where he’s seeing these edgy straight guys. Is it sarcasm? Do they exist? He does one meme video a year (crowdsourced from what I can only categorize as 'not even remotely edging on a majority of guys, let alone straight guys, let alone edgy straight guys') and suddenly there are a bunch of edgy straight guys that he needs to reassure and placate? Am I missing the joke (the answer is probably yes). I mean he’s not apologizing for the pastel thing, he’s just defending it, but like… apologetically? Does that make sense? Should I shut up already? Yeah.

22:00 (chat) Dan you are threatening my masculinity please stop
“Said George. George, this is what we’ve been talking about, okay? You might see this and think, ‘No, I didn’t sign up for this, I subscribed to Dan for the memes and the jokes about death, not about the pastel stuff’. You need to embrace your inner pastelness, George. You might be like ‘Ooh, the pink flowers, I'm not comfortable,’ but you’ll feel calmer. There we go.”
-i’m beginning to question my capacity for violence

23:30 “Do I ever feel objectified? Maybe. Maybe I want to [take off the tattoos] ‘cause they’re hurting my hand. Maybe I’m not just a Ken doll for you to objectify and ship and wish I lived the life you wanted. No! No, I’m Dan! And I want—“
(chat) Get rid of it [the tattoo], it makes you look gay
“(laughs, sighs, laughs) You and George can sit in the corner and be like, ‘Boo! Remove it.’ Cool. Things can’t look like a sexuality. It’s very tempting to make easy jokes about ‘Dan looks like a lesbian, pastel video is gay’ that’s actually problematic, to say that stereotypes— I mean, obviously correlations between behaviour and stereotypes do exist, but when things are kind of feeding into heteronormativism and the harmfulness of everybody’s living inside a patriarchy and the bullying that exists within the male system with things threatening their masculinity, that’s just a bad thing. Stereotyping sexuality and behaviour and gender isn’t a good thing. So you can say ‘that guy looks like a lesbian’ or ‘the flowers, that’s a bit gay’ and it’s not necessarily the most offensive thing, but on a level it is slightly bad because you are reinforcing those things, you know. [..] There’s nothing wrong with a lesbian happening to look like, whatever ‘masculine’ is, or whatever. But.. you know what I mean.”
25:35 (chat) He doesn’t look gay, he looks a bit girly and I like that
“Who’s to say that this should be girly though? What is girly? What is looking ‘feminine'? You go to nature, you’ve got a female lion, they’re all meaty as heck. Tell you what, lionesses at the zoo, they were thick as heck, look at those thighs. Male lions, skinny as heck, sat in the corner. What is feminine? Who’s to say that a girl has to wear pink and like flowers? Why can’t a boy like flowers? Gender roles make no sense at all, honestly. It’s just one of the things that make no sense. Like you can say ‘men are stronger therefore they should be the hunters and the whatever’ but in our modern society that means nothing. That’s like grounded in some kind of biology. But like wearing pink, liking flowers, not liking flowers, that makes no sense. There’s literally no background for it, you know?”
“So there’s Dan’s rant on the flower crown criticism”
-all right, I’m calm. Good speech. Keep talking about actual dumb criticisms not just the invented ones that inadvertently shit on your active audience thanks. Or if you want to shit on your audience for valid things (like 'stop shipping me/treating me like a Ken doll'), then do eet. I would have liked him to elaborate more on that before getting distracted by the gay comment. Maybe 2017!Dan can try being more upfront about what’s pissing him off because we need to go deeper

30:50 (chat) Dan give yourself more credit
“I can’t, I’m too cynical. I always have to presume the worst. I always have to protect myself by assuming maximum hostility all the time. Maybe it’s a British thing. In America, people celebrate success [so news about YTers is supportive], in the UK it’s like, 'Who’s this Zoella person? How dare they do this thing that I want? Are they successful? Boo!' So there’s this natural British thing about being like, 'No, I hate myself, everything’s terrible, ha ha, ha, everything’s negative,' which is a healthy culture."
-2017!Dan should also get a therapist (not snark)

41:25 Long chat about Riverdale begins and oh fuck I’m going to end up watching this show aren’t I.
43:40 “So if you’re somebody that’s like ‘Sign me up for the beautiful people, I need beautiful people in my life to make me forget about how ugly I am on the inside and the outside, just give me those jawbones” “you could cut yourself on the cheekbones of the main character called Archie”
-just struck me again, on Valentine’s day of all days, that these little self-deprecating and projection-y (or whatever) comments never get combined with loneliness; he always talks about media as an escape from shitty real life and ‘sadness’ and whatever but never loneliness, anything else is fair game

44:50 (chat) Any ideas for new danisnotonfire video?
“Yes! I have an idea of what my next one will be, I don’t know... I’m trying to get something organized so I can do something and be like, ‘Pow! Here’s a video’ and I think it’ll be funny. If you’ve heard me moaning about some things that’s been an ongoing issue in my professional life, you might have an idea, which could be quite funny. I’m deciding whether to name it something which I think is hilarious, but might- some people might [disagree?].”
-something to do with changing dinof to Dan Howell, but what could he 'organize' for that, I’m scared. It should involve a gimp suit to somehow come full circle. And something being on fire. Set a gimp suit on fire. Nailed it. (I know I didn't)

46:30 “I don’t know what your family got you for xmas; my family love me so much and are so wealthy and generous that they took a picture of my dog and gave me a mug with a picture of our dog on it. Yes, that’s right, this was the xmas present from my family this year.” […]
"And that is Colin leaping majestically through a puddle of mud. So what that is, that’s somebody taking the photo like, ‘lol look at the dog’ and my mum like, ‘jesus christ the carpet the carpet the carpet, have we got a towel in the car, oh my god the car is about to be destroyed’ so there we go."
-Way less harsh on a second viewing, but still sarcastic in a not that good-natured way? Worrying more about the mess the dog will make than appreciating his joy or adorableness just makes me think of Dan breaking that window and the immediate worry being the blood on the carpet. I’M JUST SAYING, there’s some consistency there and maybe that’s the parallel he’s drawing that brings that tone and demeanour when he brings up his parents (because he's not even dragging the present really, kind of just more his family in general), he just doesn’t find them nurturing, to him or to Colin

50:10 (explanation of some pigeon meme going around Facebook idk) “It’s my favourite meme of the month basically because it just makes no sense. And people get annoyed by it and they’re like, ‘Shut up, this is really annoying, stop posting the bird’ and then everybody posts the bird [ad nauseum]. It’s just amazing, that’s the kind of stuff I signed up for. That’s my kind of sense of humour: it makes no sense on any level, upsetting people left and right, people don’t know where it came from, where it will go, where did it come from Cotton-Eye Joe, but they just won’t stop and that honestly is my sense of humour right there.”
-more evidence of him actually loving inflicting relentless phandom nonsense onto the unsuspecting internet?

54:50 (chat) Dan, your Facebook header is terrifying
“Shite. Yes. Okay.” [tells everyone to go look at it on Facebook]
“I was going through headers on twitter and I saw one that was amazing and I thought it would be slightly too oppressive and I was like, 'I love shitposting on Facebook' and I made it my Facebook header. I should find the name of the person that did it”
“It’s an amazing piece of art that’s like quite well drawn but is also just the most terrify— isn’t that the scariest shit you’ve ever seen, honestly. It’s just so amazing. So thank you for that one."
“It’s made on twitter by @flamemanged” (struggles with pronunciation, doesn’t call you ‘managed’ like Shane did, so there's that)
“Look at my face: that’s a really well drawn Dan. I’m really panicking.”
-I hope he explored all the beautiful art after seeing that one, fell in love with it, and then made the conscious effort to promo extra hard so people would find the rest...

57:00 (chat) Your shows are less chill these days
“Are they Lucy? I don’t think so. Depends on what you want to talk about.”
-I’m going to have to agree with Lucy here, he’s stressing me out so hard the past few weeks, but maybe he always has and I just have a bad memory

1:00:40 “Anyone that feels the need to hate on another person is really a victim of the patriarchy that feels that if any aspect of their masculinity or the idea of what male roles is is being threatened that that’s a bad thing, so in ways that we should feel sympathetic for them and that one day they view themselves [and wear a flower crown and embrace softness]
-was that grammar, idk, my brain is melting, i'm out

Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 36 times

Okay it all came off less negative the second time around, I just need more sleep because I'm the one who's on edge. But to be fair, he is stressful to watch in a very particular yet unpredictable way. Phil's shows by comparison are a palette cleanser for the brain- you know going in he'll be chill and upbeat and talk about whatever, no need to be on edge with him. For all Dan's talk about calmness he was not projecting any (from my perspective) and you never know what you're going to get one minute to the next. Which.. I'll mark as a good thing since I thought he might be more inclined to censor or second-guess himself with these now going up on YT as well. But he's kind of putting it all out there anyway (and maybe that's where the extra agitation is coming from- struggling with the urge to censor/second guess?). Or again, it's just that I need more sleep, less caffeine, and the stress is coming from inside the house...