Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

Birdie · Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:11 pm

Okay, now I want to see the horse videos after all.

It might give me nightmares but whatever. (I kid you not, I just typed neightmares...)

EDIT: So sorry for this irrelevant post being top of the page.

flarequake · Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:34 pm

Phil in that jumper so pretty especially at the end with "real talk" and he moved closer to the camera.

Game's just getting crazy. I found it funny, loved the horse jumping to cut the onions and bashing them with knife in the floor. Also their dog voices were the cutest.

AmbiguousHowell · Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:09 am

They looked so good in the video tbh.

lurker · Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:14 am

this is completely out of context but now that this thread is slowly nearing its end i wanted to share that for almost two weeks now, every time i have opened idb i've been misreading the title as "we lik the cock" and was helpfully provided by my brain with various attempts on rhyming.

cryptic_phan · Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:31 am

cherrybomb3 wrote:Also to the poster who said Dan needs a therapist - well I feel uncomfortable trying to "diagnose" people with anything but I think what Dan really needs to do, sorry to sound harsh, is to grow up - for lack of a better way to put it. He's so hung up over his creative issues and his quality and male edgy viewers - in any other job even in the creative industry etc.if you can't put out good content you are gone. The world is unforgiving and moves on quickly - that's just how it is. Having creative droughts unfortunately doesn't always cut it as an excuse

declaimer:i'm not defending dan or hating on dan in anyway im just stating an observation of mine that i thought i would share to the world

i agree and as someone who has not only been through psycho-evaluations,and been to many therapist and psychologist but also studies different types of psychology ( fyi im not a psychologist which i know this does not give me the authority to diagnose anyone by any means but i do take ap courses in psychology and plan to study more of it when i get to college but i don't plan on majoring in it ,also because i don't personally know dan and i not around he to get i accurate evaluation on his behavior and to study the way his thought process works im making this thesis based purely on other people finding/points and my own take on him but i do feel i can't be of some help in a way by share my theory ) i feel he has some signs of atypical depression and but i kind think its more Seasonal Affective Disorder . The atypical depression could be the cause of lack of creativeness . which I know sounds stupid but the block could last depend on the person . It kind of makes sense that he's been post kind of shitty content and hasn't been motivated and I can understand that being that i have/had episodes of depression since i was 11 (yes depression can come in blocks at a time for example seasonal affective disorder which is a type of depression where if you don't receive enough sunlight you can become depressed .(i'm not exactly sure to much about the chemical make-up of this depression is but it's obviously a reaction to not receiving the vitamin d that the body request or if its a hormonal imbalance due to the lack of sun please educate me if im wrong im not to sure)) now although i said i had a strong feeling it could be S.A.D the reason i list atypical as a possible explanation to his behavior is because it's pretty obvious he does not cop well with failure and success (i was going to quote the person that stated this in a earlier post but i could not find the person so if this is you thanks for that) as on of the symptoms to this type of depression is extreme negative response to perceived criticism or rejection which could why his has made seem passive-aggressive to some people. in regards to the S.A.D this make more sense to me due to the fact he doesn't go outside regular like most people and because if find that he is more prone to led himself into depression ( yes i'm aware phil probably doesn't go outside as much either but phil as handles thing much differently then dan so ). when he goes outside he doesn't to just go outside to be outside he only goes out if he has to do something or is going somewhere . ( ik someone going to ask but can't he open the window . going outside and pulling the shade up are to different things its not as effective to pull up the shade , its much better to be indirect sun light and fresh air actual help too with this and i don't think there house gets good circulation due to the way is constructed .( also i don't live in london or europe in general but i have been to london but it doesn't seem windy which is a big factor in airflow/circulation.) but this could be a factor to why his a creative block and is what i refer to as "neutrally sad" (its when your not generally sad or down right depressed but your sluggish and suffer from temporary happiness and you want to have motivation but your sluggishness is hold you back ) which he seem to be having right now . As for his childish behavior i going to assume this is a reaction to not really knowing what wrong and bottling himself up and not knowing how to deal with things which is a fairly common thing to do/reaction to this . Also i know phil is there for him and stuff like if he need to talk but phil isn't a professional and can't give him way to help cope and stuff which is why i recommended he see i therapist but now after thinking about he should probably go to a neurologist to see if he has a vitamin deficiency or chemical imbalance causing him to be uncomfortable .(which surprisingly can cause a lot of problem even if it's just one vitamin that your body need .) by the way vitamin deficiency and depression share the common symptoms be are caused by different things .depression tense to be a chemical imbalance in the brain like due to hormones and other chemical while a vitamin deficiency (most of the time lacking of the any b vitamin) can be fix by pretty quickly by taking shots of b12 or 6 (it takes about two to three days to kick in but it works and you take them like every 4 to 5 weeks ) .by they way this whole observation could be completely wrong and just waste 6 hour of my life writing and reading through all my book and resources and try to be as accurate as possible and i could be completely wrong but it just any observation that i had of him so i'm just going to get off my soap box and and go back in to hiding now
p.s. you can't force a person to get help or want help dan has to want to get help for anything to work because then if people force him to get help hes can just reject it and it would be a waste of time just saying but i goes for anyone don't force people to do thing they have to want to do some otherwise its just a waste of time and effort ...ok now i think i'm done

edit: @cherrybomb3 i'm not try to attack you in any way in just for got i quoted you and i started rambling so don't take this personal its not in response to what you said but to do agree a bit with what you said

Artdefines06 · Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:40 am

I just popped in to say I am personally offended he mentioned the cake scene and we still have not seen it.

Also, my two cents is that everyone needs to see a therapist every three months, same as you would take your car in for a tune up. Just my opinion.

*also I doubt this game gets "sexual" it seems to be going into more surreal/satire/crazy horse is trying to own you territory. I have played a few of these like the tank dating sim and the pigeon sim and they were weird, but not really sexual.

cherrybomb3 · Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:52 am

cryptic_phan wrote:
cherrybomb3 wrote:Also to the poster who said Dan needs a therapist - well I feel uncomfortable trying to "diagnose" people with anything but I think what Dan really needs to do, sorry to sound harsh, is to grow up - for lack of a better way to put it. He's so hung up over his creative issues and his quality and male edgy viewers - in any other job even in the creative industry etc.if you can't put out good content you are gone. The world is unforgiving and moves on quickly - that's just how it is. Having creative droughts unfortunately doesn't always cut it as an excuse
declaimer:i'm not defending dan or hating on dan in anyway im just stating an observation of mine that i thought i would share to the world

i agree and as someone who has not only been through psycho-evaluations,and been to many therapist and psychologist but also studies different types of psychology ( fyi im not a psychologist which i know this does not give me the authority to diagnose anyone by any means but i do take ap courses in psychology and plan to study more of it when i get to college but i don't plan on majoring in it ,also because i don't personally know dan and i not around he to get i accurate evaluation on his behavior and to study the way his thought process works im making this thesis based purely on other people finding/points and my own take on him but i do feel i can't be of some help in a way by share my theory ) i feel he has some signs of atypical depression and but i kind think its more Seasonal Affective Disorder . The atypical depression could be the cause of lack of creativeness . which I know sounds stupid but the block could last depend on the person . It kind of makes sense that he's been post kind of shitty content and hasn't been motivated and I can understand that being that i have/had episodes of depression since i was 11 (yes depression can come in blocks at a time for example seasonal affective disorder which is a type of depression where if you don't receive enough sunlight you can become depressed .(i'm not exactly sure to much about the chemical make-up of this depression is but it's obviously a reaction to not receiving the vitamin d that the body request or if its a hormonal imbalance due to the lack of sun please educate me if im wrong im not to sure)) now although i said i had a strong feeling it could be S.A.D the reason i list atypical as a possible explanation to his behavior is because it's pretty obvious he does not cop well with failure and success (i was going to quote the person that stated this in a earlier post but i could not find the person so if this is you thanks for that) as on of the symptoms to this type of depression is extreme negative response to perceived criticism or rejection which could why his has made seem passive-aggressive to some people. in regards to the S.A.D this make more sense to me due to the fact he doesn't go outside regular like most people and because if find that he is more prone to led himself into depression ( yes i'm aware phil probably doesn't go outside as much either but phil as handles thing much differently then dan so ). when he goes outside he doesn't to just go outside to be outside he only goes out if he has to do something or is going somewhere . ( ik someone going to ask but can't he open the window . going outside and pulling the shade up are to different things its not as effective to pull up the shade , its much better to be indirect sun light and fresh air actual help too with this and i don't think there house gets good circulation due to the way is constructed .( also i don't live in london or europe in general but i have been to london but it doesn't seem windy which is a big factor in airflow/circulation.) but this could be a factor to why his a creative block and is what i refer to as "neutrally sad" (its when your not generally sad or down right depressed but your sluggish and suffer from temporary happiness and you want to have motivation but your sluggishness is hold you back ) which he seem to be having right now . As for his childish behavior i going to assume this is a reaction to not really knowing what wrong and bottling himself up and not knowing how to deal with things which is a fairly common thing to do/reaction to this . Also i know phil is there for him and stuff like if he need to talk but phil isn't a professional and can't give him way to help cope and stuff which is why i recommended he see i therapist but now after thinking about he should probably go to a neurologist to see if he has a vitamin deficiency or chemical imbalance causing him to be uncomfortable .(which surprisingly can cause a lot of problem even if it's just one vitamin that your body need .) by the way vitamin deficiency and depression share the common symptoms be are caused by different things .depression tense to be a chemical imbalance in the brain like due to hormones and other chemical while a vitamin deficiency (most of the time lacking of the any b vitamin) can be fix by pretty quickly by taking shots of b12 or 6 (it takes about two to three days to kick in but it works and you take them like every 4 to 5 weeks ) .by they way this whole observation could be completely wrong and just waste 6 hour of my life writing and reading through all my book and resources and try to be as accurate as possible and i could be completely wrong but it just any observation that i had of him so i'm just going to get off my soap box and and go back in to hiding now
p.s. you can't force a person to get help or want help dan has to want to get help for anything to work because then if people force him to get help hes can just reject it and it would be a waste of time just saying but i goes for anyone don't force people to do thing they have to want to do some otherwise its just a waste of time and effort ...ok now i think i'm done
edit: @cherrybomb3 i'm not try to attack you in any way in just for got i quoted you and i started rambling so don't take this personal its not in response to what you said but to do agree a bit with what you said

sorry man that was not me you quoted, i know bc it was expressed clearly with correct grammar

props for the amount of writing there though

starry nightworld · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:02 am

Just unlurking to say something...

I think Dan and Phil modify the way they talk about things to appeal to their teen audience. For teenagers still at school, blaming your parents for your problems is de rigour, so I think Dan buys into that a bit. But I think he does also have a more mature perspective in that he said that there reaches a point where you just need to make things happen for yourself and that's very true. He also hinted that parents are just regular people trying to do what they can. I think that if he was to give more mature advice on this topic a lot of teenager fans wouldn't be interested in listening.

But also, it's not surprising that Dan has had conflict with his parents. He's a really intelligent person who dropped out of law school just to (as his parents would have seen it) tool around on the internet and play video games. Probably 99% of parents would have completely freaked out that he was wasting his potential and was just going to end up being a bum. If I had done that,the reaction in my family would have been nuclear lol. In hindsight, it's easy to pretend that Dan was always going to have the success he did - but his parents couldn't have known that at the time. Even now still, there's no guarantee as to how long Dan will be able to make this YouTube thing profitable. There's a big difference between your parents not supporting what seems to be a crazy choice and your parents not supporting you overall.

So I suspect that Dan might be allowing that conflict to cloud his overall judgement of his family. I just don't think it's unusual at all that Dan's parents were probably deeply concerned about what the hell Dan was doing with his life. A lot of people compare it to Phil's situation, but his family were probably definitely the exception rather than the norm.

PS. One of the cool things that I liked about Phil's gym video is that he was talking about a topic relevant to his age group and not modifying it to fit to a teenage perspective. That's why I think that video was really cool and authentic.

cherrybomb3 · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:20 am

starry nightworld wrote:Just unlurking to say something...

I think Dan and Phil modify the way they talk about things to appeal to their teen audience. For teenagers still at school, blaming your parents for your problems is de rigour, so I think Dan buys into that a bit. But I think he does also have a more mature perspective in that he said that there reaches a point where you just need to make things happen for yourself and that's very true. He also hinted that parents are just regular people trying to do what they can. I think that if he was to give more mature advice on this topic a lot of teenager fans wouldn't be interested in listening.

But also, it's not surprising that Dan has had conflict with his parents. He's a really intelligent person who dropped out of law school just to (as his parents would have seen it) tool around on the internet and play video games. Probably 99% of parents would have completely freaked out that he was wasting his potential and was just going to end up being a bum. If I had done that,the reaction in my family would have been nuclear lol. In hindsight, it's easy to pretend that Dan was always going to have the success he did - but his parents couldn't have known that at the time. Even now still, there's no guarantee as to how long Dan will be able to make this YouTube thing profitable. There's a big difference between your parents not supporting what seems to be a crazy choice and your parents not supporting you overall.

So I suspect that Dan might be allowing that conflict to cloud his overall judgement of his family. I just don't think it's unusual at all that Dan's parents were probably deeply concerned about what the hell Dan was doing with his life. A lot of people compare it to Phil's situation, but his family were probably definitely the exception rather than the norm.

PS. One of the cool things that I liked about Phil's gym video is that he was talking about a topic relevant to his age group and not modifying it to fit to a teenage perspective. That's why I think that video was really cool and authentic.

hello fellow recent unlurker

your point about dan tailoring his content to suit his audience demographic is quite interesting. its weird to imagine the kind of things he might discuss and the ways in which he would discuss them if he were creating content for a different (read, older) audience
dans relationship with his parents is one of my favourite guiity pleasure subjects, and i think that the point you raise about his parents rather typical in their likely reaction to their son dropping out of university to pursue a potentially disastrous career on the internet makes the dynamic all the more interesting. quite a lot of youtubers (tyler oakley, phil, ian from smosh or someone idek) show members of their family being incredibly wonderful and supportive. its quite refreshing in a weird way to see a youtuber who has, as far as we know, a rather typically, authentically lukewarm relationship with his parents (for a weird uni dropout that is - lov u dan)

Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:22 am

starry nightworld:

And a great first post!

starry nightworld wrote: PS. One of the cool things that I liked about Phil's gym video is that he was talking about a topic relevant to his age group and not modifying it to fit to a teenage perspective. That's why I think that video was really cool and authentic.

I especially found this point interesting. I think you're right that presenting a teen-relevant topic from a more adult perspective is a cool and worthwhile thing to do. And probably also hard....deserves thinking about.

cryptic_phan : Thanks for all your research! While I don't think, as you acknowledge, we should be diagnosing Dan, your mention of Seasonal Affective Disorder caught my attention. The good news is, if Dan or anyone else is so affected, the vernal equinox is a mere two days away and the sun is getting brighter and the days are getting longer fast (everywhere in the northern hemisphere!), so people who are affected by the lack of enough sunlight should be feeling better, even if they only go out occasionally.

starry nightworld · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:24 am

Personally, I have a preference for singers, actors, artists etc who launched their careers themselves - I think their material is better because they personally had to fight for it. There's so many examples of singers/actors whose careers were majorly helped along in their childhoods by their parents who then reach their mid-20s and find themselves wondering whether it was what they actually wanted all along.

fancybum · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:44 am

Birdie wrote: fancybum: I put my answer under a spoiler because the conversation has moved on and I don't want to bring it back again. But I wanted to explain what I meant a bit better.

fancybum wrote:And hey, no diagnosing going on here, he's used the word himself (because yes it's a word that describes a thing), and the thing about anxiety is: nobody asks for it, it's just there. So people just flippantly saying he should grow up about it is as useful as telling a depressive person to cheer the fuck up.

fancybum wrote:This isn't about me coddling or excusing or claiming he can do no wrong. But calling somebody "not cut out for the real world" because he's too negative for your liking and can't throw away his irrational anxieties with the flip of a switch is just fucked up.

fancybum wrote:Anxiety is frustrating, both having it and dealing with someone who has it, nobody wins.[...] So sure, criticize that shit all damn day. But the kind of criticism that just devolves into demanding he be better at being a person just strikes all the nerves.
I did read your post carefully and I do feel like I was responding to what you said but I don’t always have an easy time articulating what I mean in English when I’m upset. I shouldn’t have posted anything at all until I felt a bit better but here we are. Sorry for not being clear the first time around. What bothered me so much were basically the bolded parts. I felt like you were accusing everyone with an opinion on Dan’s infrequent uploading and his attitude towards fans on Twitter of erasing his anxiety.

You do basically say that the criticism was valid and I realise that but you also seemed to equate big chunks of people’s detailed explanations of their criticism to mocking Dan for having anxiety, erasing his anxiety or not taking it seriously. I just didn’t see that happen. The discussion was civil, no one was flippant and people explained why they felt the way they felt. No one attacked him for his insecurities or his self-doubts but for the way he dealt with them where it concerned other people. Basically my issue was you saying the criticism was valid but at the same time equating it to erasing his mental illness. Maybe I did misunderstand you there but no matter how often I read your post, especially the bolded parts, I can’t shake that impression.

Maybe it’s because I was one of the people criticising Dan whilst having severe anxiety myself but I got uncomfortable reading your post and I’m pretty sure that wasn’t because I didn’t understand what you were saying. I did understand. I just don’t really agree with everything. Like I said, I usually agree with most of your posts and this isn’t an attack on you or anything. You said you didn’t mean to use his anxiety as an excuse for everything but at the same time I felt like you were. But whatever, it’s time to let this go since that wasn't your intention anyway and I should've just shut up. The discussion has thankfully moved on and it’s not really that important anymore.

OK, take 2 now I'm off mobile. I'll try to explain my post better, but you still don't need to agree with any of it, and you certainly don't need to shut up or be apologetic if you don't. I'm too lazy to actually find a bunch of examples of Dan talking about overthinking everything and being anxious specifically about dinof, but we all know it's true, so fill in the blanks there. I'm not 'dragging mental illness into it', I'm stating a fact about him. He displays and discusses anxiety over what he uploads on dinof. That doesn't mean he's immune to criticism; my first post is kind of all over the place with the specifics of what that means I guess.

He has a shitty uploading schedule on dinof: subjective, but let's say it's true. Compared to other YTers who have less shitty schedules: still true. What about the content of those other YTers? Better/worse? ...I don't think any of that matters. Comparing uploading schedules and (perceived) free time between YTers doesn't mean anything. Shane Dawson uploads 5-7 days a week. Jacksepticeye uploads twice a day. Other YTers don't have anything to do with Dan, YT isn't a factory with quotas each creator has to meet (as much as YT itself might be pushing it to be). And here someone can come in with the argument that they need to do x or y to maintain relevance or grow or whatever else. Probably true- they could upload 3 times a day on DAPG to try to overtake other 'proper' gamers. Or they could do what they want and what works for them and just let their relevance land where it may. I'm circling around a point somewhere I'm sure of it.

I think these specifically were on my mind (but they weren't the only comments like it, and I'm not attacking them, just disagreeing, people need to relax with thinking of everything as an attack); that whole thing of saying he's not doing his job properly or enough or (insert here), or considering his infrequent uploads and using ISG as filler as indicative of him being lazy/insufferable or in need of a kick somewhere... is ignoring that he is doing "a lot" of work on DAPG (and I guess once a week on dini, but people will wave off a liveshow as nothing so let's ignore it to save them the breath). 2-3 vids a week, that's more in line with other YTers, maybe not the hardcore gamers, but we're getting somewhere. And I keep saying: 'they're posting on DAPG'/'he is doing his job' to which the response is probably "but I prefer dinof and that's what I want to see more of". And that's fair. But him not posting enough to your liking on your preferred channel of his is not him 'not doing his job', it's him not doing what you'd like (the general 'you'). And that's fair; personally I want more sketch/story vids too. I'd definitely like more than one video a month on that channel.
But this:

-Creative jobs are horrible like that but you can’t just lean back and indulge your creative block and still expect people to throw money at you.
-in any other job even in the creative industry etc.if you can't put out good content you are gone.

isn't what's happening. Because he is putting out good content, just not on the preferred channel right now. And he sets himself up to disappoint people with the way he talks about his dinof content and what he wants it to be (and/or what he thinks other people want it to be that he apparently needs to live up to: are they the same thing? unclear). +1M views, lots of people even liked the video after watching it. It was easy content for him because it has a set template, it's a Q&A video. Lots of other YTers who post a lot might do a Q&A once every few weeks. This (subjectively) shitty video isn't the end of his career, but the outpouring of contempt for his entire work ethic as a person (when it was technically the third video he uploaded last week) is what's kind of doing my head in.

And yeah, he is the reason people expected better than ISG, but the reaction of like, 'he's not cut out for this business, other people would be fired for not delivering work' just seems sooooo above and beyond what's necessary, it's disproportionate af. And all of that is what I'm considering to be unfair (?problematic? can I whip that out? no?) criticism. I guess? I can't articulate it properly (and so I probably shouldn't have brought it up to begin with.. but it's too late now whoops), but the overblown reaction seems to be focusing on Dan and his overthinking (imo: anxiety) overall rather than the video just not being the best thing ever. And he also never said he's going through a 'creative slump', that's just been assumed since ISG has come to be considered his filler video to get people off his back about uploading. And that seems like it's being used as a jumping off point to just complain about him as a person, since we can go ahead and assume he started to overthink his first idea, because isn't that just like him, and 'how dare he not just do it anyway, how dare he put out another ISG instead, why doesn't he correct his thinking and do what I would prefer he do to better entertain me'. That vibe right there. That's where the dismissal of anxiety comes in for me, but I'm not sure I quite hit the realm of 'making sense' while trying to explain it better. Sooo maybe that didn't really clear anything up. (Or maybe it did but we still disagree and that's totally fine too).

Ok now I can go watch D&P get weird with a horse.

cryptic_phan · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:46 am

LeftHandedism wrote:starry nightworld: And a great first post!

starry nightworld wrote: PS. One of the cool things that I liked about Phil's gym video is that he was talking about a topic relevant to his age group and not modifying it to fit to a teenage perspective. That's why I think that video was really cool and authentic.
I especially found this point interesting. I think you're right that presenting a teen-relevant topic from a more adult perspective is a cool and worthwhile thing to do. And probably also hard....deserves thinking about.

cryptic_phan : Thanks for all your research! While I don't think, as you acknowledge, we should be diagnosing Dan, your mention of Seasonal Affective Disorder caught my attention. The good news is, if Dan or anyone else is so affected, the vernal equinox is a mere two days away and the sun is getting brighter and the days are getting longer fast (everywhere in the northern hemisphere!), so people who are affected by the lack of enough sunlight should be feeling better, even if they only go out occasionally.

umm yes but i dont want to be the bearer of bad news but S.A.D can also occur in the summer season sadly there are, in fact, people who get SAD in reverse. For a small group of people, the dark days of winter don’t elicit depression, but renewed vigor and improved mood. but hopeully dan does not suffer from this (also this can occur if the person can handle the both season due to the fact the season tend to be imbalanced which is why peope with this disorder (for example my mom)she is at her best when its the fall season or the spring season due to the balance between the two extremes)

p.s thanks for the appreciation of my research i try my best

starry nightworld · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:47 am

cherrybomb3 wrote:
hello fellow recent unlurker

your point about dan tailoring his content to suit his audience demographic is quite interesting. its weird to imagine the kind of things he might discuss and the ways in which he would discuss them if he were creating content for a different (read, older) audience

I think Dan kind of *dumbs down* (although that's not really the phrase I'm looking for) his content and his representation of himself to suit his demographic. It's very teen focused and you'd be forgiven for thinking that he was a teenager in giant adult man's body. Both him and Phil talk a lot about school, even though Phil has been graduated for well over a decade. BUT I am certain they have a great deal of very real adult responsibility in their lives what with managing their careers, books, shows, finances, appearances etc. It's just about creating entertainment that their audience can identify with.

cryptic_phan · Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:49 am

cherrybomb3 wrote:
cryptic_phan wrote:
cherrybomb3 wrote:Also to the poster who said Dan needs a therapist - well I feel uncomfortable trying to "diagnose" people with anything but I think what Dan really needs to do, sorry to sound harsh, is to grow up - for lack of a better way to put it. He's so hung up over his creative issues and his quality and male edgy viewers - in any other job even in the creative industry etc.if you can't put out good content you are gone. The world is unforgiving and moves on quickly - that's just how it is. Having creative droughts unfortunately doesn't always cut it as an excuse
declaimer:i'm not defending dan or hating on dan in anyway im just stating an observation of mine that i thought i would share to the world

i agree and as someone who has not only been through psycho-evaluations,and been to many therapist and psychologist but also studies different types of psychology ( fyi im not a psychologist which i know this does not give me the authority to diagnose anyone by any means but i do take ap courses in psychology and plan to study more of it when i get to college but i don't plan on majoring in it ,also because i don't personally know dan and i not around he to get i accurate evaluation on his behavior and to study the way his thought process works im making this thesis based purely on other people finding/points and my own take on him but i do feel i can't be of some help in a way by share my theory ) i feel he has some signs of atypical depression and but i kind think its more Seasonal Affective Disorder . The atypical depression could be the cause of lack of creativeness . which I know sounds stupid but the block could last depend on the person . It kind of makes sense that he's been post kind of shitty content and hasn't been motivated and I can understand that being that i have/had episodes of depression since i was 11 (yes depression can come in blocks at a time for example seasonal affective disorder which is a type of depression where if you don't receive enough sunlight you can become depressed .(i'm not exactly sure to much about the chemical make-up of this depression is but it's obviously a reaction to not receiving the vitamin d that the body request or if its a hormonal imbalance due to the lack of sun please educate me if im wrong im not to sure)) now although i said i had a strong feeling it could be S.A.D the reason i list atypical as a possible explanation to his behavior is because it's pretty obvious he does not cop well with failure and success (i was going to quote the person that stated this in a earlier post but i could not find the person so if this is you thanks for that) as on of the symptoms to this type of depression is extreme negative response to perceived criticism or rejection which could why his has made seem passive-aggressive to some people. in regards to the S.A.D this make more sense to me due to the fact he doesn't go outside regular like most people and because if find that he is more prone to led himself into depression ( yes i'm aware phil probably doesn't go outside as much either but phil as handles thing much differently then dan so ). when he goes outside he doesn't to just go outside to be outside he only goes out if he has to do something or is going somewhere . ( ik someone going to ask but can't he open the window . going outside and pulling the shade up are to different things its not as effective to pull up the shade , its much better to be indirect sun light and fresh air actual help too with this and i don't think there house gets good circulation due to the way is constructed .( also i don't live in london or europe in general but i have been to london but it doesn't seem windy which is a big factor in airflow/circulation.) but this could be a factor to why his a creative block and is what i refer to as "neutrally sad" (its when your not generally sad or down right depressed but your sluggish and suffer from temporary happiness and you want to have motivation but your sluggishness is hold you back ) which he seem to be having right now . As for his childish behavior i going to assume this is a reaction to not really knowing what wrong and bottling himself up and not knowing how to deal with things which is a fairly common thing to do/reaction to this . Also i know phil is there for him and stuff like if he need to talk but phil isn't a professional and can't give him way to help cope and stuff which is why i recommended he see i therapist but now after thinking about he should probably go to a neurologist to see if he has a vitamin deficiency or chemical imbalance causing him to be uncomfortable .(which surprisingly can cause a lot of problem even if it's just one vitamin that your body need .) by the way vitamin deficiency and depression share the common symptoms be are caused by different things .depression tense to be a chemical imbalance in the brain like due to hormones and other chemical while a vitamin deficiency (most of the time lacking of the any b vitamin) can be fix by pretty quickly by taking shots of b12 or 6 (it takes about two to three days to kick in but it works and you take them like every 4 to 5 weeks ) .by they way this whole observation could be completely wrong and just waste 6 hour of my life writing and reading through all my book and resources and try to be as accurate as possible and i could be completely wrong but it just any observation that i had of him so i'm just going to get off my soap box and and go back in to hiding now
p.s. you can't force a person to get help or want help dan has to want to get help for anything to work because then if people force him to get help hes can just reject it and it would be a waste of time just saying but i goes for anyone don't force people to do thing they have to want to do some otherwise its just a waste of time and effort ...ok now i think i'm done
edit: @cherrybomb3 i'm not try to attack you in any way in just for got i quoted you and i started rambling so don't take this personal its not in response to what you said but to do agree a bit with what you said

sorry man that was not me you quoted, i know bc it was expressed clearly with correct grammar

props for the amount of writing there though

:wtf: o well then just ignore me ill be over here rotting in my can of regret

starry nightworld · Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:08 am

YouTube is a super hard platform. If you're a singer or an author you can hide away for 1 or 2 years creating a new book or a new album. Everyone expects YouTubers to film an amazing video once a week. I tend to prefer YouTubers who post sparingly, but do it really well when they do post.

I didn't have a problem at all with the Internet Support Group video (always loved them) but then I didn't hear about the hype for video everyone was expecting. It must be hard to think of content for a channel that is an 'about me' focused one. The channels that focus on solely on a topic like 'taste testing weird processed food' must be easier to run.

confusedpanda · Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:11 am

PolarFox wrote:
malday wrote:[offtopic]I saw people freaking out about the #youtubeagegate thing and i decided to turn on restricted mode just to see how it affects DAPG.
And i only see 30 of the videos and only Phil's channel shows up in the featured channels section lol[/offtopic]
[offtopic]what's that about?[/offtopic]

[offtopic]#youtubeageage is basically the fact that youtube is basically blocking content that ether they or a computer deems not appropriate for viewers with restricted mode on(so basically a parental block but it has to be turned on manually). Some channels have litterally no content showing up for example pewdiepie doesn't have any of his content show up which is to be expected after everything, but nether does Phil Defranco? Some channels have not even half of their videos show up, examples include tomska and markilpier each only have about only 10 or less pop up.
The case with Dan and Phil is even more strange because like malday said, only Phil's channel will show up under featured channels but not dan or the gaming channel. But it's weirder because some of the videos that you can't see on Phil's channel are completely harmless??? Like the latest sleepless nights with Phil isn't there and strangely, the tour bus video (basically a youtube red sponsor) isn't there ether. And all the phil is not on fire videos are there ether, but the bloopers for 6&7 are up . Dan's channel pretty much has barely anything there. All the tatinof/tabinof sponsors are there but his videos with Louise aren't? The gaming channel is even more of a mess under restricted because while undertale is there, only episodes 3,5,9 & 10 are there. With dil, only episodes 7,12,18,24 and 29 are there. Some of their sponors are still there but not all of them. Here's the kicker with them though, this hasn't effected their live shows on their side channel from what I can tell. In fact Phil's live show literally labeled "inappropriate birthday gift" which the blurred out photo in the thumbnail is available to watch in restricted. I found that kinda funny honestly.
The issue people have with this restricted mode right now though isn't that they just censoring any channels at random, but the fact they've literally took a lot of openly lgbtq+ people out of the search by channel. For example if you were to search up Tyler or Connor, their channels will not directly come up. But Joey will?? I dunno it's weird. And like even videos that have the word LGBT in the title may not show up in the search. It's bizzare.[/offtopic]
Wow, sorry for the long off topic discussion, but it's just something that's been talked about for a few days now. I don't really think it's an "age gate" so to speak, more so as it is just a parental monitoring feature (that needs real improvement), but it is really shady that it blocks a lot of lgbt+ stuff.

captainspacecoat · Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:33 am

God damn it, living in the southern hemisphere really means you miss out on so much discussion. Sorry to drag on things that are kind of off-topic now!!

re: horse prince video - I feel like I'm one of the lone people who really enjoy this series, I don't know why but I find them pretty entertaining and would be happy for them to continue making them. Both the game itself and dnp are completely self-aware, which makes the weirdness all in good fun and completely in line with my sense of humour. Plus, dnp seem to genuinely get such a kick out of it which is all I'm after personally when I watch their videos, so I'm happy. Oh and I'm so glad Phil finally wore the ladybug jumper in a video

re: Dan's family - I think the conversation surrounding Dan's family just needs a whole lot more nuance tbh. Yes, Dan does speak quite negatively about them sometimes. That doesn't mean he thinks they were awful, neglectful parents or that he's completely estranged from them or anything. It's actually very normal for people to become more self-aware as they age, and there may very well be certain aspects of their parenting that Dan looks upon quite negatively - he's completely entitled to do so. I think it's also obvious that despite this, he also makes sure to mention them positively sometimes and brings up anecdotes that are indisputably lovely and suggest that he does have a lot of appreciation for them.

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that children must respect their parents at all times simply because parents deserve respect, because this is just not the case for many people. It's not black-and-white, and I think it's actually quite rare that anyone has a wholly positive or negative relationship with their parents. At the end of the day, we know so little about Dan's relationship with his family, so I think it's important to look at it with complexity and recognise that while there are clearly aspects of Dan's childhood that he takes issue with (as is his right to do so), not only are these largely presented out of context and potentially exaggerated by Dan, but also that this does not in any way mean Dan has a bad relationship with his parents necessarily. And even if he does, that is not disrespectful - it is completely valid (sorry to use that incredibly overused word haha) for people to resent their parents and no one is under any obligation to respect their parents if they themselves did not receive that same respect.

I also think oqua raises the really important point that Dan mentioning that his family weren't very well-off when he was a kid in no way equates to him trashing them for that.

re: discourse surrounding Dan's uploading issues etc - fancybum's and lurker's posts have come closest to summarising my feelings around this issue I think. While I completely agree that Dan is a grown adult who deserves to be criticised for his work/actions and does not need to be coddled by his audience, I think it's also possible to recognise that he clearly does have issues with extreme perfectionism and experiences anxiety (not using that word as a diagnosis, rather as a feeling/emotion) surrounding the content he creates on dinof, so much so that it stifles his creative process.

I think it is possible to both be critical of his content as is the right of any fan, and also to recognise that he is only human and experiences human emotions and struggles. It's unlike him to explicitly mention when he's having a difficult time and that's something he made sure to do in this week's liveshow - we have no context for whatever it is/was that's made him feel that way but at the end of the day, it could be literally anything and I do think there's a plethora of reasons for what could be behind his 'creative slump' (or whatever it is) and that demanding he do better is completely ineffective and unfair.

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ · Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:05 am

I am unabashedly the #1 fan of the horse series. I have been on the edge of my seat for another horse video and when it came in my notifications today I literally cheered in the mall. I don't know why I like it so much... I just think it's so absurd and self-aware and the fact that deppy include fanart makes me wanna cry tears of joy. I also think I like it because it brings out the more cheeky side of Phil, which I thoroughly enjoy. I've always had a pretty high tolerance when it comes to "strange" things. It takes a lot to make me uncomfortable so maybe that's why I love my horse prince so much.

cryptic_phan · Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:13 am

captainspacecoat wrote:God damn it, living in the southern hemisphere really means you miss out on so much discussion. Sorry to drag on things that are kind of off-topic now!!

re: horse prince video - I feel like I'm one of the lone people who really enjoy this series, I don't know why but I find them pretty entertaining and would be happy for them to continue making them. Both the game itself and dnp are completely self-aware, which makes the weirdness all in good fun and completely in line with my sense of humour. Plus, dnp seem to genuinely get such a kick out of it which is all I'm after personally when I watch their videos, so I'm happy. Oh and I'm so glad Phil finally wore the ladybug jumper in a video

re: Dan's family - I think the conversation surrounding Dan's family just needs a whole lot more nuance tbh. Yes, Dan does speak quite negatively about them sometimes. That doesn't mean he thinks they were awful, neglectful parents or that he's completely estranged from them or anything. It's actually very normal for people to become more self-aware as they age, and there may very well be certain aspects of their parenting that Dan looks upon quite negatively - he's completely entitled to do so. I think it's also obvious that despite this, he also makes sure to mention them positively sometimes and brings up anecdotes that are indisputably lovely and suggest that he does have a lot of appreciation for them.

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that children must respect their parents at all times simply because parents deserve respect, because this is just not the case for many people. It's not black-and-white, and I think it's actually quite rare that anyone has a wholly positive or negative relationship with their parents. At the end of the day, we know so little about Dan's relationship with his family, so I think it's important to look at it with complexity and recognise that while there are clearly aspects of Dan's childhood that he takes issue with (as is his right to do so), not only are these largely presented out of context and potentially exaggerated by Dan, but also that this does not in any way mean Dan has a bad relationship with his parents necessarily. And even if he does, that is not disrespectful - it is completely valid (sorry to use that incredibly overused word haha) for people to resent their parents and no one is under any obligation to respect their parents if they themselves did not receive that same respect.

I also think oqua raises the really important point that Dan mentioning that his family weren't very well-off when he was a kid in no way equates to him trashing them for that.

re: discourse surrounding Dan's uploading issues etc - fancybum's and lurker's posts have come closest to summarising my feelings around this issue I think. While I completely agree that Dan is a grown adult who deserves to be criticised for his work/actions and does not need to be coddled by his audience, I think it's also possible to recognise that he clearly does have issues with extreme perfectionism and experiences anxiety (not using that word as a diagnosis, rather as a feeling/emotion) surrounding the content he creates on dinof, so much so that it stifles his creative process.

I think it is possible to both be critical of his content as is the right of any fan, and also to recognise that he is only human and experiences human emotions and struggles. It's unlike him to explicitly mention when he's having a difficult time and that's something he made sure to do in this week's live show - we have no context for whatever it is/was that's made him feel that way but at the end of the day, it could be literally anything and I do think there's a plethora of reasons for what could be behind his 'creative slump' (or whatever it is) and that demanding he do better is completely ineffective and unfair.

i agree with the last part. i feel dan has been been babied by his fan (and demon phannies) and has never really had to deal with real world problem the way normal 25 year old do because of this. people are always running to his defence . he need to learn to deal with hate and stuff like that like the rest of the world . phil i feel can handle and has more life experience , he's been through college and has two degree i'm sure he had to deal with real world bullshit(excuse my french) i feel dan has been kind of sheltered in a way the fact he has been doing youtube since he was pretty young he barely got through college and not to start anything but he has pretty much alway had phil there since like the beginning of his youtube career to comfort him and fix thing for him . I'm pretty sure if phil wasn't there and he had to live all alone his life would be pretty messy . he doesn't seem to to pick and choose his battle very well and that's a weakness he needs to fix is his going to continue with this type of career because if he does i don't think he's going to enjoy his life in 10 years when his struggling to get views because his not getting help and still acting like a man child he is right now. Also he need to drop the #relatable thing , because he can't relate to his views like he use to . like his said his average viewer age is 16 ish there's almost a 10 year age gap . how is a almost 26 year old man going to relate to 16 year old girls (and some guys). i'm pretty sure his viewers wont mine if he dropped that from his "branding" . at 16 a most of your viewers should be pretty understanding their almost adults .

kk im done ranting now had to get that out of my system (i know there are errors ut im not fixing them ) back to the can i go

RiriPandaHeart2 · Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:48 am

Just rewatched Phil's Personal Trainer Incident video and realized that it's not even at 1M yet. I was surprised because it was mostly well-received in the phandom, while Dan's ISG 9, which received a lot of hate, has already 1.4M views. There's actually no point in this but just to say that I guess it's the first time I've actually felt the difference in their main channel vid view counts. I guess there's really a lot of casuals who just watch Dan, and that what's popular in the phandom isn't always reflective of the views in Youtube.

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ · Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:53 am

RiriPandaHeart2 wrote:Just rewatched Phil's Personal Trainer Incident video and realized that it's not even at 1M yet. I was surprised because it was mostly well-received in the phandom, while Dan's ISG 9, which received a lot of hate, has already 1.4M views. There's actually no point in this but just to say that I guess it's the first time I've actually felt the difference in their main channel vid view counts. I guess there's really a lot of casuals who just watch Dan, and that what's popular in the phandom isn't always reflective of the views in Youtube.

Related to this, I've been mentioning deppy to my friends more recently and a few of them have said that they subscribe to Dan but not Phil. For some reason I think Dan just attracts more casual viewership than Phil does for whatever reason. I'm not crazy about it because I love Phil so much and I want him to have so much success

momoroki · Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:04 am

captainspacecoat I feel ur Australian struggle. Honestly, the rest of the world needs to catch up smh, how dare timezones exist.

On the new Horse Prince video, I... surprisingly loved it. I've hardly held back on vocalising my hate about it here but honestly this new one was hilarious - maybe because it's a Sunday and I had really low expectations, and also because I LOVE LOVE LOVE Phil in that jumper and by extension Dan in that shirt.
Also did anyone else get an ad RIGHT after they did that whole ad rant? Those little shits did it on purpose I swear to god - can YouTubers control when ads come into their videos? Because if they can, well played boys, well played.

[offtopic]lol I dreamt I met Phil last night - my brain is making fun of me for not being able to go to the Cool for Summer thing because I don't live in Sydney or Melbourne where everything happens fun. Actually, has anyone checked what the Cool for Summer lineup was after that whole fiasco? I know we've moved on (the topics in this forum rn are a mess, I ain't touching that Dan/parents discussion with a ten foot pole lmfao.)[/offtopic]

SexyTrashCan · Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:28 am

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:
RiriPandaHeart2 wrote:Just rewatched Phil's Personal Trainer Incident video and realized that it's not even at 1M yet. I was surprised because it was mostly well-received in the phandom, while Dan's ISG 9, which received a lot of hate, has already 1.4M views. There's actually no point in this but just to say that I guess it's the first time I've actually felt the difference in their main channel vid view counts. I guess there's really a lot of casuals who just watch Dan, and that what's popular in the phandom isn't always reflective of the views in Youtube.
Related to this, I've been mentioning deppy to my friends more recently and a few of them have said that they subscribe to Dan but not Phil. For some reason I think Dan just attracts more casual viewership than Phil does for whatever reason. I'm not crazy about it because I love Phil so much and I want him to have so much success

Yeah most of my friends who are big fans of Deppy prefer Dan and one of them even just prefers Dan because "he's hotter" and it makes me sad. I notice that the people who I got into Deppy do prefer Phil though but still

I just checked out YouTube restricted mode and it seriously is screwed up... why even is Phil's new video blocked

mio · Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:23 am

...did nobody mention the channel names in the end yet...
"AmazingSpringOnion" and "danisnotchoking"

seriously stop messing with us guys *tries to get mind out of the gutter*