Dan & Phil Part 41: what in domestication

[000dia000]

I think it's a lost cause, trying to reprimand people over their overtly-sexual behavior. I mean, in an ideal world, people would be kind and respectful, but unfortunately people have the option of anonymity with the internet and people aren't as nice as they pretend they are, and a lot of people can be gross. Even if you made one of those tumblr posts calling people to stop their behavior, like every other time I dare go on the tag, people are still going to do it. I mean, have the discussion about how wrong it is, you might as well, but I don't think it's going to change. I really hate seeing how sexualized they are, particularly by such a young fanbase, but this is the reality of putting themselves online. This is just the way the internet is. If they asked people to stop, people will still do it.

Deppy have taken measures to not sexualize themselves, they consonantly demean their appearance and label themselves as nerds or subpar in appearance when both look like models. They discontinued the sexual aspects of their channels-Dan's sexy end screen dance and Draw Phil Naked. They barely show themselves showing off any skin-which is why the recent video with topless Phil is so surprising, while others guys who work out show off their muscles. They make a deliberate effort to downplay themselves and don't take themselves so seriously-but teenage girls gotta go and fuck it up and like them for their personality and for the hand porn-and don't get me started on those middle-aged nose perverts

I think referring to these people as "teenage girls that are expressing their sexuality" is kind of insulting, people are grossed out but otherwise accepting of teenage boys or grown men sexualizing fully grown women on the internet. Suddenly because it's teenage girls we should all be clutching our pearls!? Like said, we kind of look back on children as innocent creatures, they're not, they're just as perverted and curious as grown ups (though probably just oblivious). These young people commenting probably actively seek out such things. Of course not ALL children, and I think people should be mindful of who's reading/seeing content...but do deppy REALLY make content for those under 12 years of age? Certainly not, they make the kind of content children can trick their parents into allowing them to watch.

I think people are naturally going to be attracted to, just about anyone, even with ethics about age drilled into people's mind, people are going to attach themselves to somebody they find attractive, no matter the boundaries of age. People fantasize and project, say whatever they want as a sign of self-expression. Maybe some honestly believe their "Queen of my vagina" posts, while others do it as a sign of appreciation, and others still as a joke. I think for a lot of young girls, they don't like boys their own age, especially if they're particularly immature, that's why so many like idolizing much older men who "have it all figured out" It's easier to idolize men who are as exceptionally kind and thoughtful as deppy are. It's a lot easier to have a "crush" or to admire them, because they're put on a pedestal and praised and seem like the most ideal boyfriends possible.

EDIT: enjoy my top of the page rant that turned into an essay, I'll be in the corner cringing and rocking backwards and forwards

[Birdie]

Catallena: I didn't mean my post to sound like that, I actually agree with you on nsfw fanart. And I didn't even know about that fanart in tabinof, that's really not cool. I kinda get why their attitude towards fanart isn't too positive but maybe they should be more careful, yes. Your interpretation of the tumblr tag thing makes sense, I never saw it like that. I really hope that's not what they were thinking though, it would be sketchy on their part.

[pixlexia]

I'm shocked at how much the CP video was disliked! Everyone is free to have their opinions and I get where everyone is coming from, and I too didn't think the video was particularly special or anything, but I would have never guessed that people would have legit anger over it.

Maybe I'm a part of the bad bunch, being an older uni student who always went onto CP to purposefully troll people. I mean, I've never known anybody who went on CP for anything different, but maybe all my friends are just evil or something.

Also, if it makes anyone feel better, the censoring on CP is absolutely crazy and I'm positive over 50% of their messages didn't go through. You can type and send a message and the bubble will still pop up for you, but it won't show up on other player's screens, if that makes sense. Whenever I play with friends, we always monitor each other's screens to see which messages actually get sent through the system and which just never show up. For instance, you can't even say really basic words like "rude" "mean" "bad" etc, so the likelihood that 1) they were speaking to an actual child, and 2) that child read a message that offended them, is like... less than 1%.

But regardless, I'll admit, watching Dan literally scream at people for not being his friend isn't my favorite content in the world.

[uglyamerican]

Popping in to report that I snuck into Gatorland today, and it is indeed as tacky and horrifying as Florida tourist traps can be. My people-watching rating was 10/10. Loved it. And bought a Gatorland T-shirt that I can actually wear somewhere - in dull yellow (ef your color palette Danuyl.)

I liked Penguin, but only for Dan attempts to get them banned (and Phil stressing over it.) Must be a very clique-y site - nobody wanted to talk to them - how rude!

[onetruetrash]

I'm shocked at how much the CP video was disliked! Everyone is free to have their opinions and I get where everyone is coming from, and I too didn't think the video was particularly special or anything, but I would have never guessed that people would have legit anger over it.

Maybe I'm a part of the bad bunch, being an older uni student who always went onto CP to purposefully troll people. I mean, I've never known anybody who went on CP for anything different, but maybe all my friends are just evil or something.

Also, if it makes anyone feel better, the censoring on CP is absolutely crazy and I'm positive over 50% of their messages didn't go through. You can type and send a message and the bubble will still pop up for you, but it won't show up on other player's screens, if that makes sense. Whenever I play with friends, we always monitor each other's screens to see which messages actually get sent through the system and which just never show up. For instance, you can't even say really basic words like "rude" "mean" "bad" etc, so the likelihood that 1) they were speaking to an actual child, and 2) that child read a message that offended them, is like... less than 1%.

But regardless, I'll admit, watching Dan literally scream at people for not being his friend isn't my favorite content in the world.

I was really surprised by the negative reaction. The logic behind doesn't make much sense.

Firstly, like you said, a lot of the speech bubbles were probably not shown. Second, the large majority of the people were just revisiting something from their childhood and are older. Thirdly, a few seconds of some random person being kinda weird isn't gonna stand out to people or ruin the end of the game for anyone.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why people are getting mad.

[000dia000]

I'm shocked at how much the CP video was disliked! Everyone is free to have their opinions and I get where everyone is coming from, and I too didn't think the video was particularly special or anything, but I would have never guessed that people would have legit anger over it.

Maybe I'm a part of the bad bunch, being an older uni student who always went onto CP to purposefully troll people. I mean, I've never known anybody who went on CP for anything different, but maybe all my friends are just evil or something.

Also, if it makes anyone feel better, the censoring on CP is absolutely crazy and I'm positive over 50% of their messages didn't go through. You can type and send a message and the bubble will still pop up for you, but it won't show up on other player's screens, if that makes sense. Whenever I play with friends, we always monitor each other's screens to see which messages actually get sent through the system and which just never show up. For instance, you can't even say really basic words like "rude" "mean" "bad" etc, so the likelihood that 1) they were speaking to an actual child, and 2) that child read a message that offended them, is like... less than 1%.

But regardless, I'll admit, watching Dan literally scream at people for not being his friend isn't my favorite content in the world.

I was really surprised by the negative reaction. The logic behind doesn't make much sense.

Firstly, like you said, a lot of the speech bubbles were probably not shown. Second, the large majority of the people were just revisiting something from their childhood and are older. Thirdly, a few seconds of some random person being kinda weird isn't gonna stand out to people or ruin the end of the game for anyone.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why people are getting mad.

I don't think anybody is largely offended by their attitudes, I personally just found it immature and boring, it isn't exactly "lol trolling" for me if it's just them speaking to themselves and it's kind of cringe. There are more creative ways to troll people. They didn't interact with the game, and purposefully just said swear words to get banned for shock value. I still hate the video, can't change that. I like 90 percent of what they put out, I don't need to blindly like everything they do, that's logical.

[lefthandedism]

Deppy have taken measures to not sexualize themselves, they consonantly demean their appearance and label themselves as nerds or subpar in appearance when both look like models. They discontinued the sexual aspects of their channels-Dan's sexy end screen dance and Draw Phil Naked. They barely show themselves showing off any skin-which is why the recent video with topless Phil is so surprising, while others guys who work out show off their muscles. They make a deliberate effort to downplay themselves and don't take themselves so seriously-but teenage girls gotta go and fuck it up and like them for their personality and for the hand porn-and don't get me started on those middle-aged nose perverts

Um?

I find most of this paragraph quite insightful, but I'm not exactly sure I understand--or agree with--where your last sentence is going. I've called myself a middle-aged nose pervert on this forum and while I do so somewhat ironically, the grain of truth is definitely there: I do find Dan ridiculously hot (nose and all) and I find Phil hot too. And I'm certainly older than either of them.

And I think that's part of my point. Sexual attraction is part of life (for most people) from puberty till whenever. It would be very weird, imho, if someone's fanbase didn't include a certain number of people who found them hot to a certain extent. Depending on the celebrity and the fanbase, "certain" can be a little or a lot.

So it's normal and inevitible that fans have these feelings. And it's clear what behavior is inappropriate (stalking, harrassing, attempted direct contact, etc.). It sounds as though you don't think fans should express these feelings at all?--be it fanart, fanfic, YouTube comments, here on IDB? While I appreciate it can feel a bit invasive and creepy--if the fans are in the celebrity's face (and I personally think YouTube comments/Twitter cross the line)--I think it's largely harmless if it stays contained, and it may actually be a good thing to have outlets for that expression.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted you; thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[bluntedclaws]

I don't think anybody is largely offended by their attitudes, I personally just found it immature and boring, it isn't exactly "lol trolling" for me if it's just them speaking to themselves and it's kind of cringe. There are more creative ways to troll people. They didn't interact with the game, and purposefully just said swear words to get banned for shock value. I still hate the video, can't change that. I like 90 percent of what they put out, I don't need to blindly like everything they do, that's logical.

Exactly!
(For the record, I have kids the right age to play CP and I don't think they would have been upset by Deppy, well maybe upset at how slow their typing is in comparison lol. But I still think the video was crap.)

[cherrybomb3]

oh my goodness y'all are middle aged nose perverts what have i let myself into i am a mere dans-right-jawline-neck-area-pervert young boy help

[onetruetrash]

I'm shocked at how much the CP video was disliked! Everyone is free to have their opinions and I get where everyone is coming from, and I too didn't think the video was particularly special or anything, but I would have never guessed that people would have legit anger over it.

Maybe I'm a part of the bad bunch, being an older uni student who always went onto CP to purposefully troll people. I mean, I've never known anybody who went on CP for anything different, but maybe all my friends are just evil or something.

Also, if it makes anyone feel better, the censoring on CP is absolutely crazy and I'm positive over 50% of their messages didn't go through. You can type and send a message and the bubble will still pop up for you, but it won't show up on other player's screens, if that makes sense. Whenever I play with friends, we always monitor each other's screens to see which messages actually get sent through the system and which just never show up. For instance, you can't even say really basic words like "rude" "mean" "bad" etc, so the likelihood that 1) they were speaking to an actual child, and 2) that child read a message that offended them, is like... less than 1%.

But regardless, I'll admit, watching Dan literally scream at people for not being his friend isn't my favorite content in the world.

I was really surprised by the negative reaction. The logic behind doesn't make much sense.

Firstly, like you said, a lot of the speech bubbles were probably not shown. Second, the large majority of the people were just revisiting something from their childhood and are older. Thirdly, a few seconds of some random person being kinda weird isn't gonna stand out to people or ruin the end of the game for anyone.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why people are getting mad.

I don't think anybody is largely offended by their attitudes, I personally just found it immature and boring, it isn't exactly "lol trolling" for me if it's just them speaking to themselves and it's kind of cringe. There are more creative ways to troll people. They didn't interact with the game, and purposefully just said swear words to get banned for shock value. I still hate the video, can't change that. I like 90 percent of what they put out, I don't need to blindly like everything they do, that's logical.

I can't make you like the video and there's no reason you have to. I'm just talking about the people who were legitimately offended by the video. I did sound mad/generalizing in my original comment, but I'm really not, I just don't see how people were offended.

[Moonbeamsonthepath]

New video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M6iJMbpjwE

[000dia000]

Um?

I find most of this paragraph quite insightful, but I'm not exactly sure I understand--or agree with--where your last sentence is going. I've called myself a middle-aged nose pervert on this forum and while I do so somewhat ironically, the grain of truth is definitely there: I do find Dan ridiculously hot (nose and all) and I find Phil hot too. And I'm certainly older than either of them.

And I think that's part of my point. Sexual attraction is part of life (for most people) from puberty till whenever. It would be very weird, imho, if someone's fanbase didn't include a certain number of people who found them hot to a certain extent. Depending on the celebrity and the fanbase, "certain" can be a little or a lot.

So it's normal and inevitible that fans have these feelings. And it's clear what behavior is inappropriate (stalking, harrassing, attempted direct contact, etc.). It sounds as though you don't think fans should express these feelings at all?--be it fanart, fanfic, YouTube comments, here on IDB? While I appreciate it can feel a bit invasive and creepy--if the fans are in the celebrity's face (and I personally think YouTube comments/Twitter cross the line)--I think it's largely harmless if it stays contained, and it may actually be a good thing to have outlets for that expression.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted you; thanks for sharing your thoughts!

I don't condemn anybody who dislikes Dan's nose, the last part was just me making a reference to IDB and its running gag of "middle-aged nose perverts", it has little to do with the paragraph in general, just as a round up to the previous statement I was making about people sexualizing them for things not really sexual. I don't find calling Dan's nose nice is sexual, but as I said is just part of a joke and an observation I was making that most of what people like about deppy are often things people would not assume is a clear-cut attractive feature. Just a joke, didn't mean to offend anyone here on IDB.

I can't make you like the video and there's no reason you have to. I'm just talking about the people who were legitimately offended by the video. I did sound mad/generalizing in my original comment, but I'm really not, I just don't see how people were offended.

Fair enough. People can be offended by very small things sometimes, so I understand the frustration. However, I was curious, so I went back and re-read everything on IDB since the video was released. In my opinion,I don't think anybody was offended, and that those who didn't like the video just felt a little disappointed in deppy's behaviour and the content from an entertainment-perspective. If there are people offended, I don't personally think it is here.

[dontpanic]

No one can accuse dan of overhype this time...wow I did not expect a video today.

[blackdenim]

Do you think this could be part of him lowering his self-imposed 'quality threshold'? Not that I didn't think this was a good video, but it was hardly up to the lofty standards he seems to be holding his channel to - and as he references the DAPC vid you would imagine it was probably filmed and edited in the last couple of days.

[thephandommenace]

Even though Dan's new video is the kind of content he supposedly looks down upon, I thought it was fun and cute, and I wish he'd do more of these kinds of videos where he just lets himself go and doesn't worry about it being 'high art' or whatever. The video idea itself wasn't creative or innovative but I still laughed, he put a creative spin on it with the little sketch of how he thinks of himself, and I enjoyed it a lot.
I like how on one of the quiz options he could have selected "I like them but I don't love them", but didn't.
I also enjoyed Phil peeking in from the background, their bants, and Dan being all suggestive while Phil holds the camera.
I was on a chronological marathon before this so I'm just utter trash today

[cherrybomb3]

and as he references the DAPC vid you would imagine it was probably filmed and edited in the last couple of days.

which means thats this still isnt the prophesied video of liveshows past

aka isg 10

[lefthandedism]

Well, that video was sure topical to our discussion here! I liked it--it was pretty funny and I think he did some good dragging of both himself and the phandom. And I think him calling Phil a bitch (at 13:14) is my new aesthetic.

[Birdie]

I actually really loved the video. The idea isn't original in itself but he made it original somehow. I liked his commentary on old photos of himself and his old branding and he seemed quite genuine in this one. It was really funny too, I loved the imaginary Dan bit in the beginning and Phil's cameo of course.

[cherrybomb3]

dont want to be that guy buuuut


does this prove the conspiracy of pantless!dan in last weeks liveshow

[flarequake]

Loved the video, this is just what I subscribe for, Dan's quip-a-second brain firing from all directions, he's so quick and sharp. Got himself worked up again like with the memes, someone give the boy a hot chocolate and a hug. Love the beginning blaming the idea on Phil and telling him to go away. So soon after his last video, makes me think the idea wasn't the only suggestion from Phil but the timing too. Getting stuff up before going away, of course, but still he could pre-film to upload later. Good to get so much insight into how Dan sees himself and in reaction to the way he's described and portrayed by the phandom. He did quite a few quizzes, more than Phil I think, and I loved that "here's where I show my true trash self" line.

[fancy_nancy]

That was a nice video, I love it when Dan forgets a little bit about his "quality threshold" and posts something he usually wouldn't.

[missemma]

Love Dans new video, especially the sketch at the beginning. The quizzes were pretty rubbish but his cringing face just made it for me. This felt so much better than ISG, hopefully he will stick to his theme of upload Monday to discuss in the liveshow Tuesday. Nice to see him do something a little bit different than usual.

These screenshots though:

[blackdenim]

and as he references the DAPC vid you would imagine it was probably filmed and edited in the last couple of days.

which means thats this still isnt the prophesied video of liveshows past

aka isg 10

Exactly! Will be interesting to see if he tries to play it off as being the one he was hyping.

[SquishPhan]

I really enjoyed that video, definitely something I can see myself rewatching.

[lurker]

what a pleasant surprise at the end of a shitty day! i liked the video and i think he did a good job on toeing the line between making fun of himself, making fun of his audience, and cringing without exaggerating too much. my fave part was the little skit, it was very self-aware

Also to clarify when I said "pants" I meant the American definition ..otherwise that would just be disrespectful to my chair tbh.

thanks, dan.

also, did i miss it or wasn't there a "formal shout-out" to phil's video? because if yes it's amazing how at this point they just assume all of us know anyway and dan can simply say "phil did this one in his video" without any further explanation.