Dan & Phil Part 42: lying makes you go to hell

[Artdefines06]

I heard about the drama and came right here to find out the truth lol. Love this place.

What is it about traveling to Australia that brings out Dan's fashionista? I hope he is as happy as he looks.

#philwithaquiff2k17

[thephandommenace]

The nail polish was so subtle, I had to zoom right in to be able to see it, but it's soooooo cute I wanna squish Daniel's cheeks more and more every day.
I've not been able to watch the latest airport videos as I'm travelling with minimal data, but I'm not sure I want to. It goes way past the point of cringe. The M&G girl was intense, but at least she wasn't rude or crossing any personal boundaries.

RE that 'clearing up' post, wtf is wrong with people. "Guys it's fine, I wasn't stalking Deppy, I was stalking some other guy and Deppy just happened to be there."

[sugar]

some thoughts:

i absolutely LOVE the nail polish. i feel like this trip has brought so many good things and i can't wait to see what dan wears tomorrow i'm loving his fashion choices.

as far as the airport thing, i think the specific drama did get blown out of proportion but i also hate that people go to the airport to meet them. i'm very involved in bandom (in 2017...i know) and it's a problem whenever bands go places as well. but i have noticed that it happens in australia almost every time without fail. maybe it's because airports are different there? i'm not sure. but when i go to the airport i can't get very far unless i, myself, have a flight. but whenever my favorite musicians go to the airport there they're followed with cameras and fans asking them to stop and take photos and every other thing which i find to be totally invasive. recently, brendon urie was followed around the airport in australia and basically ambushed and even when he told them that he was very uncomfortable and that it was giving him anxiety they didn't stop. this kind of stuff just really bums me out because i feel like people see their idols as something other than human. it's like people don't realize that they're real people with real emotions who just got off an incredibly long flight and they probably want to just get to wherever they have to go instead of hang out in the airport taking photos with fans who somehow found out when their flight was coming in.

i'll stop complaining but basically it's just one of those things that really, really bothers me. especially since i believe dan has asked people in the past not to go to the airport to meet them because it makes him uncomfortable...i just can't really see how people think it's a good idea. for me, the desire to make sure i'm not making my faves uncomfortable or doing something that would make them resent me outweighs the desire to meet them by any means necessary. this feels a bit all over the place but i had two add my two cents because it's something that always bothers me.

[lost686girl]

do we know if dan is going on holiday with phil's family in florida?

[jesuisunèléve]

some thoughts:

i absolutely LOVE the nail polish. i feel like this trip has brought so many good things and i can't wait to see what dan wears tomorrow i'm loving his fashion choices.

as far as the airport thing, i think the specific drama did get blown out of proportion but i also hate that people go to the airport to meet them. i'm very involved in bandom (in 2017...i know) and it's a problem whenever bands go places as well. but i have noticed that it happens in australia almost every time without fail. maybe it's because airports are different there? i'm not sure. but when i go to the airport i can't get very far unless i, myself, have a flight. but whenever my favorite musicians go to the airport there they're followed with cameras and fans asking them to stop and take photos and every other thing which i find to be totally invasive. recently, brendon urie was followed around the airport in australia and basically ambushed and even when he told them that he was very uncomfortable and that it was giving him anxiety they didn't stop. this kind of stuff just really bums me out because i feel like people see their idols as something other than human. it's like people don't realize that they're real people with real emotions who just got off an incredibly long flight and they probably want to just get to wherever they have to go instead of hang out in the airport taking photos with fans who somehow found out when their flight was coming in.

i'll stop complaining but basically it's just one of those things that really, really bothers me. especially since i believe dan has asked people in the past not to go to the airport to meet them because it makes him uncomfortable...i just can't really see how people think it's a good idea. for me, the desire to make sure i'm not making my faves uncomfortable or doing something that would make them resent me outweighs the desire to meet them by any means necessary. this feels a bit all over the place but i had two add my two cents because it's something that always bothers me.

I don't know about OZ and their airports and how they may be different, but the last time they were in OZ for TATINOF they had the same problem. Maybe security is different, but I don't blame Deppy for being uncomfortable...all of those fans in an uncontrolled environment would be unnerving but I don't think those fans get that.

Phil looks absolutely done in some of the fan pictures.

It was interesting to see the previous posts of the M&G and how fast they go. That being said, I find it a bit amusing that Deppy's M&G sold out for BOTH days, while the other folks got theirs discounted 30%.

[bee]

do we know if dan is going on holiday with phil's family in florida?

I'm not sure but I think I remember him saying in his last liveshow that he was going to Florida?

On the airport thing, I'm firmly in the camp 'leave them the hell alone while travelling no matter what the situation is or how friendly they seem or whatever' so I try to not read those stories or see the pictures because I get so annoyed.

Often people tend to take one stalkery interaction that we hear about and say that this is terrible, that Dan and Phil won't trust us anymore, that we'll immediately go back to a time of more-closed doors. But in reality I think they probably (and unfortunately) deal with so many more not-okay interactions than we even know about, and are able to move past it and remind themselves that for every person who stalks them there are a lot of people who don't, etc. At least, I assume they have a system in place of how to mentally refresh, otherwise I think they'd go crazy with frustration.

Yeah there's probably loads of weird or maybe even scary stuff that happens to them the internet doesn't really know about. Sometimes I do wonder a bit exactly how stalkery or entitled people get with them and on the other hand I don't really want to know as well because yikes.
I would be very interested in hearing how they deal with the not so pleasant sides of the whole fame thing, but I guess they'll never really open up about that. Perhaps in the book they write when they're 40 or something

[lefthandedism]

Phil's hair: I'm on Team Quiff, or Team whatever he's got going on in malday's signature. That has to be my favorite gif of Phil ever--I love seeing it often!

Stalkers: Ugh, those girls seem so creepy. This is what one of them said when posting her pics on Twitter: "finally, after three days, 40,000 steps and 2 asthma attacks: i met my mans dan and phil". And another one bragged (with pictures to prove it) that she had done the same airport stalking during TATINOF Aus. There are nearly twently different stalkers' pictures posted on @updatedphan. That's a lot! I wonder why airport security doesn't do anything about them (and it does seem as though non-travelers get access to more of Australian airports than you do in the US, at least).

To conclude on a happier note--

Dan's selfie: How is it possible that they keep getting better?

[missemma]

Ah, it seems the fan cleared up the "stalker shot" situation.

The fandom is always so quick to judge

Honestly the phandom does overreact, but I'm not really buying this story either.

The thing about the video is that it's literally 12 seconds of them walking next to Dan. They aren't talking to him and visa versa, he realises they are filming, waits a second and then says the line about it being a bad angle and asks for her phone. If he asked for her phone to delete it himself, why on earth she felt it was a good idea to post it is beyond me as it just makes the whole situation creepy af. I mean, why are you walking next to him in silence, he clearly doesn't want to talk to you so leave him alone? People just want to brag and pretend they have inside jokes with them.

The whole airport thing is pretty ridiculous however not unexpected. These "fans" are the same ones who did it for tatinof Australia and whenever anyone reminds them of Dans "don't stalk me at the airport" liveshow comments they just reply saying that was 2015 and if he didn't want them to go he would tell them. They can't see that during a liveshow, he feels more confident to give his real opinion, as he can't see people's disappointment/doesn't have to deal with people causing a drama irl. I'm sure she will tell them/him all about it at the m&g tomorrow because she did exactly the same thing last year. I'm sure he'll also give the same polite reply of 'don't worry about it' to which they'll all take it as him saying he doesn't mind, and she will be back on social media to tell everyone about it *insert 200,000,000 eye roll emojis*.

[bluebox-away]

I've not particularly been keeping up with the cringefest of stalking (although I'm in no position to judge, I queued for an hour to meet Daniel Radcliffe last night ), but just from my experience there is substantially less security at the domestic flight areas of Australian airports. At the ones I travelled through the luggage belt areas were essentially publicly accessible, so as soon as you've come out of the gates you're waiting for your bags in a public place. Idk for sure but I'd assume it's somewhere around there that people are lurking

On a nicer topic, I am absolutely living for fashionista Dan at the moment. The jeans are great, the hair is great, the nail polish is great and I agree with everyone who's loving his confident 'feeling himself' vibe at the moment.
100% on team new hair for Phil, it just doesn't suit him when he has it so straight and ugh, just go with the quiff already boy it looks great and you cannot pretend to be your 18 year old emo self forever..

[Amelie]

Unnecessary interlude for reference- yes, in an Australian airport you can go to domestic arrivals if you aren't a traveller. People frequently go to the actual gate to pick people up.

Carry on

[captainspacecoat]

Yeah as an Australian I will say that unfortunately I do think celebrity culture is different here. I'm not sure about the security of our airports (I've only been on a plane twice and that was when I was too young to pay attention, and both times were domestic flights), but I think it may have something to do with the fact that international 'celebrities' so rarely come here.

There's this idea that this may be the only chance for some people to meet them as they will likely never come back here, so people are more likely to cross a line in order to meet them. Obviously, this doesn't at all excuse their behaviour - I don't in any way condone meeting them at the airport (or any situation in which people find out where they are and go there with the deliberate intention of meeting them, as by definition that is stalking) but hopefully it may help explain why this is the case.

I wish it wasn't that way, and I think these people do need to be told that they are not actually entitled to meet Dan and Phil at the expense of Dan and Phil's safety and comfort. The people that do it are mostly kids whose intention is not malicious, so I don't think they deserve to be sent hate, but they do need to learn their lesson so that hopefully in future these situations will happen less and less.

[CallMeAyana]

...I don't care if she talked them or not, but the fact that she filmed Deppy without permission is just crossing the line. I know that she must be happy to meet them, but from what I read, Dan is uncomfortable with the video, but she still posted it. Like... why? She's supposed to be a fan, right? Just because you're a fan that doesn't give you the right to make your "celebrities" feel uncomfortable. Ugh... I hate it when phans do this. It just makes me want to quit the Phandom at times.
(Also, even if what she said is true, it's stupid that she immediately assumed that Dan would be fine with her posting the video just because he laughed along with her. The fact that Dan tried to delete the video is more than enough for her to know that he's uncomfortable, not just because of the camera angle.)

Dan going back to his roots as a stalker. #savephil

This reminds me of this scene from Mirai Nikki:

Dan is a yandere #confirmed
(I would have said Dandere, but.... no. That's a whole different kind of dere all together.)

[missemma]

I think these people do need to be told that they are not actually entitled to meet Dan and Phil at the expense of Dan and Phil's safety and comfort.

If only. If you believe what these girls say then you'd think they're best mates with Dan & Phil. According to the girls in question they are meeting up with Marianne (deps' manager) for lunch today be interesting to see if that actually happens.

[captainspacecoat]

I think these people do need to be told that they are not actually entitled to meet Dan and Phil at the expense of Dan and Phil's safety and comfort.

If only. If you believe what these girls say then you'd think they're best mates with Dan & Phil. According to the girls in question they are meeting up with Marianne (deps' manager) for lunch today be interesting to see if that actually happens.

Oh my god what on earth??? I don't even know what to say to that, but like ... why do they think she would ever actually want to meet them for lunch? What are they hoping to get out of that? Yikes.

[fancy_nancy]

i dont think anyones posted this here, anthony commented on dans selfie

According to the girls in question they are meeting up with Marianne (deps' manager) for lunch today be interesting to see if that actually happens.

that is hilarious

[vortexofphan]

I think these people do need to be told that they are not actually entitled to meet Dan and Phil at the expense of Dan and Phil's safety and comfort.

If only. If you believe what these girls say then you'd think they're best mates with Dan & Phil. According to the girls in question they are meeting up with Marianne (deps' manager) for lunch today be interesting to see if that actually happens.

Oh my god what on earth??? I don't even know what to say to that, but like ... why do they think she would ever actually want to meet them for lunch? What are they hoping to get out of that? Yikes.

Obviously Deppy love them walking silently beside them filming so much, they're winning an all expense trip to London to do the same.

If it is actually happening (which I doubt) maybe it will be to tell them and make them stop harassing them at airports. Dan & Phil couldn't say it forcefully without upsetting a lot of people, but the evil manager lady could become the rule enforcer and the bad guy.

[Winston]

I think these people do need to be told that they are not actually entitled to meet Dan and Phil at the expense of Dan and Phil's safety and comfort.

If only. If you believe what these girls say then you'd think they're best mates with Dan & Phil. According to the girls in question they are meeting up with Marianne (deps' manager) for lunch today be interesting to see if that actually happens.

maybe she's going to hand them a restraining order.

I was wondering how all these people were able to just loiter in the airport. Thanks Australians on here who commented about the security. I was so confused.

I can't understand how people can think any of that is okay? Do they not realize Deppy are actual people? Yes,deppy are in a public place, but that does not give them the right to do things like that, just the ability. I am able to to a lot of things, but I don't because I am a decent human being who tries to think of how others feel, or how they would be affected by my actions. why would you want to meet someone you love/admire and basically force yourself on them then go on and do something so icky as post a video they tried to delete? How would that be fulfilling? I would say 'ugh the phandom, why are they like this...?' but it happens outside of the phandom as well. Celebrities are people too. I certainly do not want a video of myself posted online that I was unaware of even being in, and only a handful of people would probably see it. Multiply that by a few mil and there is the deppy audience, coworkers, peers and potential employers (not that Dan did anything wrong) but still. They like to have control over their image as we all know, this just takes that little bit of security away from them.

Sorry this is just a rant...

tl;dr people can be so inconsiderate.

[pastelspectre]

count me in on thinking its inconsiderate to stalk celebs at airports or wherever they go like...nah man. i could understand if you accidentally bumped into them or something but purposely stalking them is not cool. it most likely makes them v uncomfortable like they said before. i'd never go to where they were and like..stalk them, that's weird. maybe if i accidentally bumped into them, sure that's accidental and a different story but...bleh

tldr; stalking celebs is not cool.

[lost686girl]

count me in on thinking its inconsiderate to stalk celebs at airports or wherever they go like...nah man. i could understand if you accidentally bumped into them or something but purposely stalking them is not cool. it most likely makes them v uncomfortable like they said before. i'd never go to where they were and like..stalk them, that's weird. maybe if i accidentally bumped into them, sure that's accidental and a different story but...bleh

tldr; stalking celebs is not cool.

also why do you want to hang out at an airport...airports are miserable hell holes. you'd only stalk someone/enjoy them if you are getting dropped off by mommy

[lefthandedism]

but from what I read, Dan is uncomfortable with the video, but she still posted it. Like... why? She's supposed to be a fan, right? Just because you're a fan that doesn't give you the right to make your "celebrities" feel uncomfortable. Ugh... I hate it when phans do this. It just makes me want to quit the Phandom at times.
(Also, even if what she said is true, it's stupid that she immediately assumed that Dan would be fine with her posting the video just because he laughed along with her. The fact that Dan tried to delete the video is more than enough for her to know that he's uncomfortable, not just because of the camera angle.)

Can someone explain how that interaction (supposedly) went?

Trying to take someone's phone and trying to delete something off it sounds a little sketchy. Did he really physically try to do that? And then not even succeed? And then laughed? I'm so confused.

I don't really understand the "not wanting to confront the Phandom" business. Maybe Phil should do it, but it seems totally appropriate for one of them (or both!) to say "please don't do that, it makes me/us uncomfortable".

[Susanisnotafish]

I just started rewatching Dans ls from April 16 2013 in New York and he said something about wanting to stalk Alexa Chan and take pics of her from behind plant pots.

[fancybum]

I just started rewatching Dans ls from April 16 2013 in New York and he said something about wanting to stalk Alexa Chan and take pics of her from behind plant pots.

Okay. And?

[Susanisnotafish]

I just found it coincidental with the stalking talk going on here. When he made that comment they probs hadn't had it happen to them.

[onetruetrash]

but from what I read, Dan is uncomfortable with the video, but she still posted it. Like... why? She's supposed to be a fan, right? Just because you're a fan that doesn't give you the right to make your "celebrities" feel uncomfortable. Ugh... I hate it when phans do this. It just makes me want to quit the Phandom at times.
(Also, even if what she said is true, it's stupid that she immediately assumed that Dan would be fine with her posting the video just because he laughed along with her. The fact that Dan tried to delete the video is more than enough for her to know that he's uncomfortable, not just because of the camera angle.)

Can someone explain how that interaction (supposedly) went?

Trying to take someone's phone and trying to delete something off it sounds a little sketchy. Did he really physically try to do that? And then not even succeed? And then laughed? I'm so confused.

I also noticed that she kind of tried to make Dan look like the bad guy or at least make him look aggressive by saying he "physically grabbed" the phone from her hand.

[sugar]

I don't really understand the "not wanting to confront the Phandom" business. Maybe Phil should do it, but it seems totally appropriate for one of them (or both!) to say "please don't do that, it makes me/us uncomfortable".

i feel like they should, but from experience in other fandoms it doesn't always work. a musician that i go see often (who is incredibly accessible and stays after every show to meet every single person for free) has had to tweet more than once asking people not to come to his hotel and wander around the halls looking for him, have taxi drivers chase after the bus, ambush him at the airport, et c. and people continue doing it.

i think it's the sort of thing where if you don't just realize that it's a complete invasion of privacy to begin with, you're not going to see reason because you already don't see them as a fellow human with real feelings living a real life. because, for me, that's not something that would ever occur to me as something i could/should do. i never had to be told that it was something i shouldn't do.

so even if one of them did say something, maybe a few people would see reason and stop but i don't think it would eliminate it unfortunately.

also why do you want to hang out at an airport...airports are miserable hell holes. you'd only stalk someone/enjoy them if you are getting dropped off by mommy

this is also something i find interesting with people going to airports and like stalking people in their hotels like i mentioned above. it's generally younger people that i see doing these types of things, like the age where i assume they can't drive yet. so i assume most get taken by their parents. which really baffles me because even if they're younger and don't understand yet that it's not cool, surely their parents would?? it's just always really confused me.