Dan & Phil Part 43: I'll touch you when I please

[DatCog]

Wonder what film they're watching...obviously it's in 3D!

EDIT: FFS this is so unworthy of being top of the page

[nephilimcat]

Wonder what film they're watching...obviously it's in 3D!

OH, those are 3D glasses! I thought they were sunglasses, I'm so stupid

Cinema double date then? Or is Phil already in Florida after all (I doubt it, but you never know...)

[confusedpanda]

discrete non-discernible background Phil (or non-discernible Phil, lol)

Hmm, I know it's just a white wall but in away, it kinda reminds me of studio lighting and I can't tell if that's just Phil's shirt or bright lighting bouncing off of it on the right. I wonder what they're up too? Photoshoot for something maybe?

[shoe]

Sorry, this doesn't really relate to this year's survey, but I checked the 2015 survey, and I found Second, I found the results about sexuality really interesting. Only 42% of people identified as straight, less than half! Even stranger, I saw only 4.5% of people identified as gay. And bisexuality and pansexuality were the two most common sexualities after straight. I don't know, I just feel like I see more people just identifying as gay or straight.

These results are getting me so hyped for the results of the current one!

[offtopic]The data from 2017 so far also fits those patterns. My hypothesis about the low numbers identifying as straight and gay is that a lot of the respondents are teenagers, and early on in figuring out their sexualities. For this new generation, there is more of an awareness that bisexuality exists, and I think it is becoming increasingly common for teenagers (especially those active online in communities like the phandom) to not identify as straight by default. I would guess that some of the people who are identifying as questioning might have so far experienced attraction to only one gender, but rather than identifying as either gay or straight, they are saying "I don't know, I might be bi, just because I haven't had a crush on a girl/boy so far doesn't mean I never will". I will be very interested to look at the correlations data between age and sexuality.[/offtopic]

[uglyamerican]

discrete non-discernible background Phil (or non-discernible Phil, lol)

That's gotta be like 2000 calories right there.... he must be in Florida judging on that portion size.

[DatCog]

discrete non-discernible background Phil (or non-discernible Phil, lol)

That's gotta be like 2000 calories right there.... he must be in Florida judging on that portion size.

That would make sense, I don't think I've ever seen such a large cookie here. So perhaps Dan is having a cinema date with Bryony to keep him from feeling lonesome!

Edit: or Phil is just holding it close to the camera to make it look bigger I'm so gullible!

[saffarinda]

There seem to be loads of people doing law on here, so does anyone know if this can be removed?

They added a filter on the video, and state that it falls under the fair use act in the description (I clicked on it because I initally thought it was going to be a parody). I'm not sure what the general opinion of the video being spread on here is, but it annoys me when pretentious people feel like they have a duty to post it everywhere.

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(Not sure how to embed videos on mobile, sorry!)

[000dia000]

waiting for somebody on Tumblr to think Bryony is a secret girlfriend
interesting how Dan so easily appears in an Instagram to show he's back in the country, but wouldn't say they are on twitter or even casual. It's their private lives and they have no obligation blah blah but it sure does sting, that this is such a strong indication that they really don't like their phandom (at least in my opinion) they don't say anything about anything, even small things that aren't necessarily private.

Idk but seeing Dan's smug face puts me in a bad mood because he knows the phandom will see it, so no need to bother to tweet, upload a video or do anything. The phandom puts in so much work to support them, and they give so little back, it kind of annoys me how they just provide so little and yet people flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet. Funny how a single picture puts me in a bad mood, but it just puts into perspective how bloody condescending and privileged they are as "creators" and by doing fuck all

[bluebox-away]

Potentially just being out of touch af here, but who is @miel that Phil's tweeting?

He liked this tweet of theirs the other day too and I kind of ignored it, but the above exchange sounds like they're friends?

[jesp]

Moderating

There seem to be loads of people doing law on here, so does anyone know if this can be removed?

They added a filter on the video, and state that it falls under the fair use act in the description (I clicked on it because I initally thought it was going to be a parody). I'm not sure what the general opinion of the video being spread on here is, but it annoys me when pretentious people feel like they have a duty to post it everywhere.

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(Not sure how to embed videos on mobile, sorry!)

I understand why you wanted to share the link to the vday video, but we don't allow links to it publicly on the forum so I've removed the link from your post. You're still able to share it through private messages if you feel the need to, and discussion about the video is still welcome.

[fancy_nancy]

Potentially just being out of touch af here, but who is @miel that Phil's tweeting?

He liked this tweet of theirs the other day too and I kind of ignored it, but the above exchange sounds like they're friends?

I think that's Anthonys girlfriend.

[papierklemmen]

Potentially just being out of touch af here, but who is @miel that Phil's tweeting?

He liked this tweet of theirs the other day too and I kind of ignored it, but the above exchange sounds like they're friends?

she's Anthony Padilla's girlfriend

[SexyTrashCan]

waiting for somebody on Tumblr to think Bryony is a secret girlfriend
interesting how Dan so easily appears in an Instagram to show he's back in the country, but wouldn't say they are on twitter or even casual. It's their private lives and they have no obligation blah blah but it sure does sting, that this is such a strong indication that they really don't like their phandom (at least in my opinion) they don't say anything about anything, even small things that aren't necessarily private.

Shit when it's put like that that really does sting a little bit

[VengefulBlue]

Moderating

There seem to be loads of people doing law on here, so does anyone know if this can be removed?

They added a filter on the video, and state that it falls under the fair use act in the description (I clicked on it because I initally thought it was going to be a parody). I'm not sure what the general opinion of the video being spread on here is, but it annoys me when pretentious people feel like they have a duty to post it everywhere.

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(Not sure how to embed videos on mobile, sorry!)

I understand why you wanted to share the link to the vday video, but we don't allow links to it publicly on the forum so I've removed the link from your post. You're still able to share it through private messages if you feel the need to, and discussion about the video is still welcome.

i think saffrinda was trying to ask how to go about reporting the video linked.
personally, i tried the "this infringes on my rights" pathway and found that it only gives links to how to do a copyright claim if you own the video and how to do a privacy claim if you are in the video. so i submitted feedback to google more or less saying 'give us a way to report other's copyrights being infringed' and then reported it as spam.
if any of the lawyer-types know what technically should be done when we see this sort of thing, please let us know.

[saffarinda]

Moderating

There seem to be loads of people doing law on here, so does anyone know if this can be removed?

They added a filter on the video, and state that it falls under the fair use act in the description (I clicked on it because I initally thought it was going to be a parody). I'm not sure what the general opinion of the video being spread on here is, but it annoys me when pretentious people feel like they have a duty to post it everywhere.

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(Not sure how to embed videos on mobile, sorry!)

I understand why you wanted to share the link to the vday video, but we don't allow links to it publicly on the forum so I've removed the link from your post. You're still able to share it through private messages if you feel the need to, and discussion about the video is still welcome.

i think saffrinda was trying to ask how to go about reporting the video linked.
personally, i tried the "this infringes on my rights" pathway and found that it only gives links to how to do a copyright claim if you own the video and how to do a privacy claim if you are in the video. so i submitted feedback to google more or less saying 'give us a way to report other's copyrights being infringed' and then reported it as spam.
if any of the lawyer-types know what technically should be done when we see this sort of thing, please let us know.

Thank you! I was mainly concerned because they put a filter on the video, and are saying that because it was edited it now resides under fair use, which means Phil's automatic removal won't be able to delete the video. Is it that easy to bypass it, and if so is the only way for it to be removed just reporting or would Phil have to personally take action to remove it?

[scientia]

Potentially just being out of touch af here, but who is @miel that Phil's tweeting?

He liked this tweet of theirs the other day too and I kind of ignored it, but the above exchange sounds like they're friends?

she's Anthony Padilla's girlfriend

I wonder, is she/was she already following Dan? I see that she followed dodie recently as well

[malday]

Thank you! I was mainly concerned because they put a filter on the video, and are saying that because it was edited it now resides under fair use, which means Phil's automatic removal won't be able to delete the video. Is it that easy to bypass it, and if so is the only way for it to be removed just reporting or would Phil have to personally take action to remove it?

This always happens from time to time. Even if they bypass the automated id system, all the video copies on youtube get removed eventually, i wouldn't worry too much about it.

[Ashling Rae]

waiting for somebody on Tumblr to think Bryony is a secret girlfriend
interesting how Dan so easily appears in an Instagram to show he's back in the country, but wouldn't say they are on twitter or even casual. It's their private lives and they have no obligation blah blah but it sure does sting, that this is such a strong indication that they really don't like their phandom (at least in my opinion) they don't say anything about anything, even small things that aren't necessarily private.

Idk but seeing Dan's smug face puts me in a bad mood because he knows the phandom will see it, so no need to bother to tweet, upload a video or do anything. The phandom puts in so much work to support them, and they give so little back, it kind of annoys me how they just provide so little and yet people flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet. Funny how a single picture puts me in a bad mood, but it just puts into perspective how bloody condescending and privileged they are as "creators" and by doing fuck all

I don't mean to be dismissive of your feelings in any way, and I definitely mean no disrespect when I say this because I can see you've spent A LOT more time on this forum than I have. But, are you sure you're a fan? You seem to have a lot of resentment towards the way D&P run their lives, and whether or not that's justified- I just wonder how you get by in the phandom if you feel like they do such a minuscule amount for us, and if they dislike us as you believe.

Just my opinion, but I feel like the relationship between YouTubers and their fans are the opposite direction that you claim. You say that the phandom does so much for D&P, but they give so little back. But the truth is no one would be doing anything for them if they didn't appreciate what they're already doing. They started their channels, and they posted their videos, and people found them, became fans, and that is when people began doing things like "flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet". Being a fan of them does not mean they owe us anything additional because we are only fans because of what we've already seen out of them. And if you feel that they don't appreciate us enough, then you're entitled to feel that way, but I just don't see it.

Especially considering the conversation we all just had over that video of fans in Singapore all but stalking them so they could be props for their social media posts, and D&P, being the polite and kind people they are, just kind of handled it. They interrupted their day to spend time with some strangers who were honestly being very creepy, because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

I'm also left wondering what Dan could do differently that would have appeased you. You say he doesn't give us tweets to let us know where he is, but we've also been discussing here the possibility of them laying low recently because they may be in the process of moving, and this could be a tactic to preserve their new address from leaking (as apparently that's happened before and they've been stalked, no bueno). If it turned out to be this in the end, would you still feel that he should have been more transparent with us? I mean, we have no idea about their motivations, and to assume he's just doing this smugly, to be lazy because we'll "find out anyway", and that that makes him condescending and privileged (I mean, they're definitely privileged, but that's on another topic and they seem to accept that for the most part) seems a bit of a stretch that personally, I'd only make if I genuinely didn't like said person. Still, even though you've only referenced this particular picture and situation for your bad mood, I feel like this is more of an on-going issue for you based on your phrasing. Do you want more details on their daily lives? More videos? More meet and greets? You're obviously somewhat a fan and invested in the pair, or you wouldn't have spent so much time here. What could they improve on that we can't come up with a reasonable excuse for them for?

[hopinglester]

waiting for somebody on Tumblr to think Bryony is a secret girlfriend
interesting how Dan so easily appears in an Instagram to show he's back in the country, but wouldn't say they are on twitter or even casual. It's their private lives and they have no obligation blah blah but it sure does sting, that this is such a strong indication that they really don't like their phandom (at least in my opinion) they don't say anything about anything, even small things that aren't necessarily private.

Idk but seeing Dan's smug face puts me in a bad mood because he knows the phandom will see it, so no need to bother to tweet, upload a video or do anything. The phandom puts in so much work to support them, and they give so little back, it kind of annoys me how they just provide so little and yet people flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet. Funny how a single picture puts me in a bad mood, but it just puts into perspective how bloody condescending and privileged they are as "creators" and by doing fuck all

I really disagree with this. If they upload objectively lazy and bad videos or in little quantity, or say something/ act incorrectly, I'm usually very critical and think everyone should be. Youtube is their job and I think that when they compromise their work as entertainers because of something not relevant, I do think people should critique it. It's like having an economist that skips meetings or etc. Though they are kind of self-employed and not on a fixed schedule, I do think that they should be consistent and be aware that they have a huge (sometimes quite impressionable) audience.

That being said, I think that's the only thing they owe us. Good consistent videos. Merch store. And right now I would also include Younow because they get payed for that. We don't expect singers and actors to update us on everything they are doing, why should youtubers? Their roles are quite similar: entertain. All Dan and Phil do besides that (tweets, instagrams, etc) are all things that they like to provide us exactly because they know we enjoy to hear from them (and obvs it also helps having an active fandom and increase attention). Honestly I'm sometimes very surprised at how much youtubers share: If I was one I don't think I'd ever say where I was on holidays before actually leaving.

Basically what I'm saying is kind of obvious but I think it's something most people would agree: Dan and Phil should do their work as entertainers, and in certain ways they do 'owe' as that but I don't agree that anything else should be included in that work as youtubers, tweets and updates on location and what else. I'm sure they appreciate their audience very much, as they have said repeatedly.

[flurry]

Wow you guys sure seem rather harsh on those girls who met Dan and Phil. Yes I agree that they shouldn't have been stalking them because I do also think that they purposefully waited for them at the place (I don't think it's the museum but near the museum where there is a hotel) that they knew or speculated that the boys would appear. And that is indeed wrong. However, the girls are also criticised for not holding a conversation etc etc - and just as gnostic says, they're teenagers and probably below 16 at that; what would a young teen say when meeting their idol??? I'm just rather baffled by the expectations on them. Yes some of us will keep a cool head even at that age but for the majority it's highly unlikely. Teens are hormonal and behave the way they do simply because it's that age where they haven't fully learnt control of their emotions or desires and when expressed as stalking it's not right but when they aren't capable of calmly discussing life with their idols well I don't think they're to blame there.

Also I feel somewhat uncomfortable if we want to take the moral high ground knowing what we discuss on this site itself which is in some ways virtually intruding the boys' privacy by discussing where they could be/bedgate etc etc - I get that the forum is for analysis and speculation and I highly enjoy reading many things (and feel discomfited by some things) but yeah we can't really say we are that much better than those girls. Not sure if I phrased this properly or if I've offended anyone but it's just a thought of mine!

As for the latest post on Dan's smugness - ah well I think it's because you/we have expectations of how the boys should share their lives and when they don't, it shows that they don't appreciate the fans. Honestly I feel their job is to upload YouTube videos and do their liveshows as regularly as possible and that's it. They aren't forced to share every aspect of their life with us like living arrangements or holiday plans or where they are in the wide world. Maybe sometimes it's good to take a step back as fans and acknowledge our own demands of them. I think it's because YouTube gives you the impression that you know a person in a more familiar way - and perhaps it is that way with some other vloggers that share the rawness of their daily experiences - but it sure isn't that way for Dan and Phil. For better or for worse they are polished and highly selective in what they share and we know what we see is performative and that itself is also fine - so we gotta acknowledge that as well.

An interesting note: I got a friend to watch a few Deppy videos and she said they're "too PG" for her. I found that rather fascinating as a remark!

[VengefulBlue]

i don't think anyone means to imply that the girls are bad people (at least i don't) but that the stalking is wrong and that it's too bad the interaction is so shallow (acquiring photos and signatures, rather than chatting). idk, maybe i'm projecting my opinions onto others. i don't feel like it's entirely wrong to approach d&p in public, though seeking them out and waiting for them is a bit stalker-ish. i kind of get it tho, bc i also live in a place they'll probably never do any m&gs near, so if i ran into them that would be the only chance.

[Ashling Rae]

Wow you guys sure seem rather harsh on those girls who met Dan and Phil.

If this is in any way referring to my comment in response to the discussion on Dan coming off smug in Bryony's instagram story, I just want to say that much of what I said there was exaggeration of how I really feel about it, more to make the point that D&P put up with a lot from us rather than to criticize the fans as individuals, and was probably done poorly. Nice going, Ashling. I posted a bit a while back that was more gently phrased. Still, I don't think we should minimize how serious something like that is just because they are young. Yeah, maybe the criticism of their behavior during the impromptu meet up was too far because they are still young. But no teen is too young to understand that the borderline stalking was not okay. And I find it very important to make a clear stance on that sort of thing as a fandom.

[000dia000]

waiting for somebody on Tumblr to think Bryony is a secret girlfriend
interesting how Dan so easily appears in an Instagram to show he's back in the country, but wouldn't say they are on twitter or even casual. It's their private lives and they have no obligation blah blah but it sure does sting, that this is such a strong indication that they really don't like their phandom (at least in my opinion) they don't say anything about anything, even small things that aren't necessarily private.

Idk but seeing Dan's smug face puts me in a bad mood because he knows the phandom will see it, so no need to bother to tweet, upload a video or do anything. The phandom puts in so much work to support them, and they give so little back, it kind of annoys me how they just provide so little and yet people flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet. Funny how a single picture puts me in a bad mood, but it just puts into perspective how bloody condescending and privileged they are as "creators" and by doing fuck all

I don't mean to be dismissive of your feelings in any way, and I definitely mean no disrespect when I say this because I can see you've spent A LOT more time on this forum than I have. But, are you sure you're a fan? You seem to have a lot of resentment towards the way D&P run their lives, and whether or not that's justified- I just wonder how you get by in the phandom if you feel like they do such a minuscule amount for us, and if they dislike us as you believe.

Just my opinion, but I feel like the relationship between YouTubers and their fans are the opposite direction that you claim. You say that the phandom does so much for D&P, but they give so little back. But the truth is no one would be doing anything for them if they didn't appreciate what they're already doing. They started their channels, and they posted their videos, and people found them, became fans, and that is when people began doing things like "flounder to please them, buy their merch, scream and cry when they like their tweet". Being a fan of them does not mean they owe us anything additional because we are only fans because of what we've already seen out of them. And if you feel that they don't appreciate us enough, then you're entitled to feel that way, but I just don't see it.

Especially considering the conversation we all just had over that video of fans in Singapore all but stalking them so they could be props for their social media posts, and D&P, being the polite and kind people they are, just kind of handled it. They interrupted their day to spend time with some strangers who were honestly being very creepy, because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

I'm also left wondering what Dan could do differently that would have appeased you. You say he doesn't give us tweets to let us know where he is, but we've also been discussing here the possibility of them laying low recently because they may be in the process of moving, and this could be a tactic to preserve their new address from leaking (as apparently that's happened before and they've been stalked, no bueno). If it turned out to be this in the end, would you still feel that he should have been more transparent with us? I mean, we have no idea about their motivations, and to assume he's just doing this smugly, to be lazy because we'll "find out anyway", and that that makes him condescending and privileged (I mean, they're definitely privileged, but that's on another topic and they seem to accept that for the most part) seems a bit of a stretch that personally, I'd only make if I genuinely didn't like said person. Still, even though you've only referenced this particular picture and situation for your bad mood, I feel like this is more of an on-going issue for you based on your phrasing. Do you want more details on their daily lives? More videos? More meet and greets? You're obviously somewhat a fan and invested in the pair, or you wouldn't have spent so much time here. What could they improve on that we can't come up with a reasonable excuse for them for?

I think it is important to note, I usually make posts that are either really negative, or really supportive of them, I flip-flop between. I do genuinely like them, but there are still aspects to them I dislike, namely their elusiveness and the way they string their fans along with breadcrumbs and how the phandom are easily content with that-not really, this is arguable, and does not happen all the time, but happens frequently enough for it to annoy me. That question though: why am I am in the phandom? If I was being honest, I hang onto the phandom by the skin of my teeth, while I do like them as people and enjoy their videos, their behaviour and their audience I find irritant, and while this isn't the case for everybody, I cannot help but just feel alienated by the behaviour and atmosphere, I don't really fit into the "community" aspect.

I think in the case of what Dan and Phil "provide us". I feel that the community built by the phandom were built over time-people watch videos already made, watch their liveshows...deppy have build up this "friendliness" that many people believe genuinely exists. Maybe I'm just bitter and pessimistic, but I just see everything they do as "entertainment" and that the kind of community they try to create is to provide for their own livelihood. Certain encounters just remind me of that-their obligation to meet phans despite their discomfort, their obsessiveness about themselves yet unwillingness to be "open" with their audience, and just their general discomfort. The continuing decrease in their honesty and ACTUAL personality with their audience is apparent in their gradual decrease in tweets, pictures, videos, any content whatsoever. What I believe is, if they weren't reliant on this as their career, they would have gave the middle-finger up and left a long time ago, like Bryony.

In close encounters with "nice" phans, I can see them being surprised by people's kindness and moments like at TATINOF where Dan even cried on stage-you can see genuine appreciation. But then there are other moments, when Dan is nearly spitting at his audience, being condescending, annoyed-all with good reason. Really, what I feel, is that deppy see their phandom as a whole thing and rarely consider it individual human beings. No matter how nice and genuine you are, they won't see your "I love you and appreciate everything you do" kind of tweets, instead they think of the overwhelming pressure the phandom puts on, the faceless entity they must appease. They probably stress over the negative aspects than praise the good-so its easy just to shut it all off. Tweet less. Be less open. The nice faces are indistinguishable among the ugly.

People are here for community, it's the only thing keeping this phandom alive, deppy provide the bare minimum. Seeing that Dan appeared in a pic with Bryony (and has appeared on her personal account only few times already) and didn't really say anything, do anything, just went missing. Phil just posting a picture of a fucking cookie. Yet, it's all normal. Nobody really cares. It's like everybody is friends with them, the phandom still argues about "phan", and deppy are above and beyond it all.

Simply put: there is no "improvement" to make, because they made the decision a long time ago to cut their lives off. It's just annoying to see them not really care even the slightest-any illusion of friendliness of community on there part is fake, they have this massive world around that bubble and it just annoys me whenever this "illusion" breaks and yet everybody just carries on. You can call it me making a "realization" that we all knew already and just emphasized by another bad mood I'm in, but you can't look at the relation between deppy and their audience and think, "wow they really care about us."

[000dia000]

As for the latest post on Dan's smugness - ah well I think it's because you/we have expectations of how the boys should share their lives and when they don't, it shows that they don't appreciate the fans. Honestly I feel their job is to upload YouTube videos and do their liveshows as regularly as possible and that's it. They aren't forced to share every aspect of their life with us like living arrangements or holiday plans or where they are in the wide world. Maybe sometimes it's good to take a step back as fans and acknowledge our own demands of them. I think it's because YouTube gives you the impression that you know a person in a more familiar way - and perhaps it is that way with some other vloggers that share the rawness of their daily experiences - but it sure isn't that way for Dan and Phil. For better or for worse they are polished and highly selective in what they share and we know what we see is performative and that itself is also fine - so we gotta acknowledge that as well.

In retrospect, I should have probably have re-phrased Dan's smugness as something not really "there" but something I just felt like he was doing, with the context of him appearing in a discreet photo with his friend, but projecting this feeling in relation to them going missing, this being how they announce they are back, and then just the knowledge that Dan would know the phandom would find this picture.

Also, I didn't really consider anything a "demand" more so it was just an observation and I was ticked off at their behaviour. It is an accumulation of other actions/behaviours they've done and I'm just letting it out of my system.

Personally, I think objectively, it's bad how we defend them in saying "they don't have to do this for us." And that's true, they're allowed to have a private life, and they're allowed not to show something. But doesn't anybody else find it weird how as a phandom people defend them for not creating content when it's their job? For wishing and wanting them to create stuff they know deppy will never do? I'm not looking to see into their private life, I'm not even really looking to see them post more, I'm just making an observation as how a phandom we're so easily pleased when deppy just do so little? Them not tweeting they're in London prompted this discussion, it was my annoyance from such a small thing that prompted my post about how deppy are quite frankly just privileged with their phandom who praise them, and defend them for doing nothing at all.

I still like them, but these things ticks me off. It's a wide circle-chain of events. They do nothing/something, someone points it out, and people must defend it as if they're protecting them.

[cherrybomb3]

I think it is important to note, I usually make posts that are either really negative, or really supportive of them, I flip-flop between. I do genuinely like them, but there are still aspects to them I dislike, namely their elusiveness and the way they string their fans along with breadcrumbs and how the phandom are easily content with that-not really, this is arguable, and does not happen all the time, but happens frequently enough for it to annoy me. That question though: why am I am in the phandom? If I was being honest, I hang onto the phandom by the skin of my teeth, while I do like them as people and enjoy their videos, their behaviour and their audience I find irritant, and while this isn't the case for everybody, I cannot help but just feel alienated by the behaviour and atmosphere, I don't really fit into the "community" aspect.

I think in the case of what Dan and Phil "provide us". I feel that the community built by the phandom were built over time-people watch videos already made, watch their liveshows...deppy have build up this "friendliness" that many people believe genuinely exists. Maybe I'm just bitter and pessimistic, but I just see everything they do as "entertainment" and that the kind of community they try to create is to provide for their own livelihood. Certain encounters just remind me of that-their obligation to meet phans despite their discomfort, their obsessiveness about themselves yet unwillingness to be "open" with their audience, and just their general discomfort. The continuing decrease in their honesty and ACTUAL personality with their audience is apparent in their gradual decrease in tweets, pictures, videos, any content whatsoever. What I believe is, if they weren't reliant on this as their career, they would have gave the middle-finger up and left a long time ago, like Bryony.

In close encounters with "nice" phans, I can see them being surprised by people's kindness and moments like at TATINOF where Dan even cried on stage-you can see genuine appreciation. But then there are other moments, when Dan is nearly spitting at his audience, being condescending, annoyed-all with good reason. Really, what I feel, is that deppy see their phandom as a whole thing and rarely consider it individual human beings. No matter how nice and genuine you are, they won't see your "I love you and appreciate everything you do" kind of tweets, instead they think of the overwhelming pressure the phandom puts on, the faceless entity they must appease. They probably stress over the negative aspects than praise the good-so its easy just to shut it all off. Tweet less. Be less open. The nice faces are indistinguishable among the ugly.

People are here for community, it's the only thing keeping this phandom alive, deppy provide the bare minimum. Seeing that Dan appeared in a pic with Bryony (and has appeared on her personal account only few times already) and didn't really say anything, do anything, just went missing. Phil just posting a picture of a fucking cookie. Yet, it's all normal. Nobody really cares. It's like everybody is friends with them, the phandom still argues about "phan", and deppy are above and beyond it all.

Simply put: there is no "improvement" to make, because they made the decision a long time ago to cut their lives off. It's just annoying to see them not really care even the slightest-any illusion of friendliness of community on there part is fake, they have this massive world around that bubble and it just annoys me whenever this "illusion" breaks and yet everybody just carries on. You can call it me making a "realization" that we all knew already and just emphasized by another bad mood I'm in, but you can't look at the relation between deppy and their audience and think, "wow they really care about us."

hmmm on the one hand i sort of love posts like this as it shows that youre not all one amorphous homogeneous collective that is blindly loyal and relentlessly positive etc

at the same time i feel like these pictures are sort of a weird avenue to go down when discussing negative aspects of d&p and our universe, correct me if im wrong but it just seems like two relatively innocuous pictures that arent too problematic

also i feel like you cant really expect much more out of youtubers - as close as they feel, as much as you feel you (you in the general sense not calling you out personally) know them more than you know irl celebrities, the wall between them and you still exists. it may just be my pessimistic outlook on hegemonic celebrity culture in general, but i think that the divide between creator and audience is always going to be a part of youtube, and you cant really expect that to change

sorry if ive misinterpreted anything btw