Daniel & Phil Part 44: This isn't a forever home

[mermaid blood]

dan is objectively very good for someone who is self-taught and doesn't know how to read sheet music. i think that's mostly the point people are making when they praise him and enjoy listening to his snippets

re: flaps discussion on last page
it's horrifying to remember those who don't 'know' dan, like that youtube comment, can misinterpret a comment as agreeing with them that the thing Dan has respect for and repeats/corrects a lot is a 'cancer'. that's a big problem, when you think about it...(don't really know what the answer is though, you shouldn't have to cease sharing a sense of humour on sensitive topics with your core audience)

[lefthandedism]

Love the pretentious white piano. Looks lovely. I love that Daniel grace us with one of his piano playing It has been forever. People comments that he plays some Yuri On Ice theme, which I of course, hadn't watch yet (and probably never will during this time where everyone is crazy about it because I don't want a backlash in case I don't like it) As a person who knows nothing about piano playing, that sounds lovely and the hand jumping he did looks like what a level 8 in piano lessons, but as I already say, I don't know anything about piano playing whatsoever.

Hi- just quickly saying that I am not in anyway bashing or insulting you or Dan- I understnad why u would think this but here is the truth about Dans piano playing. I have been playing Flute for 6 years and Piano for 3-4. I am in high school in marching band and symphonic band and have given solo performances on piano for level 7 pieces. Dans "hand jumping" is called "chord progressions" or "crossovers". It is a skill that impressed me the first time when I saw my piano teacher pakyjng it too- when I was in level 2. Then she taught me how to play it and I was like "oh... that's literally three notes u play over and overnight again... that's so easy..." and I mastered it within 20 minutes. This is the same for every pianist- to the point where me and my friends always play really simple pieces based entirely on chord progression to impress non pianists. It's kinda a joke between us on how hard everyone thinks chord progressions are (not a mean joke- just a joke we're band kids and music is our life). I searched up the YOI sheet music after Dan played it and sugntread a bit of it instantly- chord progression or "hand jumping" is level one or two- not level 8. If u want to see Modern Music level 7-8 search up "Hediwgs Theme by John Williams ARRANGED BY JARROD REICHNOCH" (the arranger is v important) I have played an excerpt from that piece and it is KILLER. My piano teacher who has a degree even admitted that she struggled a bit with it. Look at the guys hands in the Reichnoch version and then look at Dans hands. I Am not saying dan is bad- dan is a good piano player an his playing is lovely- but when I heard the YOI I thought "what a simplistic, beautiful piece- it would be a great warm up piece for me- and he plays it beautifully" and yes I had criticisms which I am not going to list because as long as Dan plays and loves the piano he is a good player. All I am sayinf is that it's not fair to think of someone as more than they are in some conditions, Dan is aware of how good he is ar the piano, when Dan says he is average or below average compared to most pianists, he is right. I'm sorry to those who thought otherwise- but any pianist who has been playing at a level 6+ will tell u the same thing. Most average pianists are at a level 6 in ABRSM. Judging by Dans pieces that I have heard (ingenue,Bethovens moonlight sonata, FF, YOI, Für Elise) he is a level 6 at most who prefers to play at level 3. (He could be a secret level 8- I would not know I Ann judging on what I have heard) And yes before I am attaked I have played Fur Elise and I knew about the ingenue before I knew who Dan was and I have played it too. I Have played YOI (like two days ago lol) and I am currently playing a sonatina by Bethoven. (Sonatina in F). Also no, I am not judging Dan, I do not think that I am superior to him, and I do not think he plays horribly. He is passionate and loves music and that is what makes him an amazing musician. He also was born with perfect pitch... lucky duck lol. But this is the truth- I have seen pianisnts in the phandom who are annoyed when people gush over Dans playing- and while I am not at all annoyed for u thinking ur idol is the best (I understnad that) I also think it's important to get a truth bomb thrown in ur face once in a while and this is the truth. "Hand jumping" is level 2 which children learn to develop coordination- - NOT level 8 not even close. Level 8 is playing so fast ur fingers turn red and begin to hurt like hell. YOI is a very simple piece. Dan does not know how to read music- he has perfect pitch (which is something u are born with) and he plays by ear. He makes mistakes when he plays and he still plays beautfiully. He plays with passion and reverence and I like listening to him play. But give credit where credit is due- not where it is not due. There is nothing wrong with complimenting him and saying he is the best ever as that is ur opinion but I want to clarify which level he really is at. But u r entitled to ur opinions and i am not going to argue with u- I am not angry at u or bashing u as I know u have said u have zero experience in piano- well now u have a little more and I hope u enjoy reading this. Ask me if u have any questions about piano- while I probs won't write about Dan and Phil as I just like reading about them I will write about music as that is my passion. Thanks- sorry if ur offended I did not mean to offend.

and thanks for your passionate analysis of Dan's piano playing! I know a very little bit about piano playing (lessons when I was a kid), and I always like to learn more. I wish I understood music better and little lessons like these help! Please feel free to join in the conversation some more, about piano or anything else.

[hopinglester]

Off topic:

I was thinking about how Dan mentioned in his liveshow that his family all called him Daniel and I remembered that about ?last year? some people here deciphered what that christmas card Dan had in the mantlepiece said. I had the idea that it said 'Dear Dan' (as if it said Daniel I think we would have discussed that) but now I really want to go back and check. Can someone tell me in each thread it was? Or if Dan had ever mentioned his family only calling him Daniel?

[mysterylovescompany]

dianapml, the Christmas card you're talking about is summed up here and in the posts above it: http://indepthbants.com/post46495.html#p46495

It says 'To Dan'. I don't think it's a big deal though. They could call him Daniel most of the time, but still use a nickname on a Christmas card.

[hopinglester]

dianapml the Christmas card you're talking about is summed up here: http://indepthbants.com/post46495.html#p46495

It says 'To Dan'. I don't think it's a big deal though. They could call him Daniel most of the time, but still use a nickname on a Christmas card.

Thank you! Yes, I wasn't questioning what Dan said, I agree with you.

[DatCog]

This is cute...I wish I could draw!



Re. PianoDan, I think he's really good considering he only had a handful of lessons when he was much younger and has only had a crappy piano to practice on in recent years. Being able to play by ear is a blessing. Bit of context: I met my husband at uni where we both did music degrees, he played piano, I played sax and flute. We were both grade 8+ standard but, because he couldn't play by ear, he had to do endless practice and really analyse what he was playing, whereas because I could play by ear, I found it much easier and could get away with doing a lot less work. He used to really resent that ha ha! I could also improvise easily, which is something he really struggled with.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Dan develops his piano playing, he clearly gets a lot of enjoyment from it. I hope he learns the rest of the YOI piece as it's gorgeous

Finally, HAPPY STAR WARS DAY!

[autumnhearth]

Omg Dan as sassy Rey. I gave a very undignified squeak. Yeah, I'm going to need a calendar next year...

[DatCog]

Omg Dan as sassy Rey. I gave a very undignified squeak. Yeah, I'm going to need a calendar next year...

My daughter has the calendar in her bedroom - I enjoy a quick peek each time I collect her washing!

[/fɪl lɛstɚ/]

Love the pretentious white piano. Looks lovely. I love that Daniel grace us with one of his piano playing It has been forever. People comments that he plays some Yuri On Ice theme, which I of course, hadn't watch yet (and probably never will during this time where everyone is crazy about it because I don't want a backlash in case I don't like it) As a person who knows nothing about piano playing, that sounds lovely and the hand jumping he did looks like what a level 8 in piano lessons, but as I already say, I don't know anything about piano playing whatsoever.

Hi- just quickly saying that I am not in anyway bashing or insulting you or Dan- I understnad why u would think this but here is the truth about Dans piano playing. I have been playing Flute for 6 years and Piano for 3-4. I am in high school in marching band and symphonic band and have given solo performances on piano for level 7 pieces. Dans "hand jumping" is called "chord progressions" or "crossovers". It is a skill that impressed me the first time when I saw my piano teacher pakyjng it too- when I was in level 2. Then she taught me how to play it and I was like "oh... that's literally three notes u play over and overnight again... that's so easy..." and I mastered it within 20 minutes. This is the same for every pianist- to the point where me and my friends always play really simple pieces based entirely on chord progression to impress non pianists. It's kinda a joke between us on how hard everyone thinks chord progressions are (not a mean joke- just a joke we're band kids and music is our life). I searched up the YOI sheet music after Dan played it and sugntread a bit of it instantly- chord progression or "hand jumping" is level one or two- not level 8. If u want to see Modern Music level 7-8 search up "Hediwgs Theme by John Williams ARRANGED BY JARROD REICHNOCH" (the arranger is v important) I have played an excerpt from that piece and it is KILLER. My piano teacher who has a degree even admitted that she struggled a bit with it. Look at the guys hands in the Reichnoch version and then look at Dans hands. I Am not saying dan is bad- dan is a good piano player an his playing is lovely- but when I heard the YOI I thought "what a simplistic, beautiful piece- it would be a great warm up piece for me- and he plays it beautifully" and yes I had criticisms which I am not going to list because as long as Dan plays and loves the piano he is a good player. All I am sayinf is that it's not fair to think of someone as more than they are in some conditions, Dan is aware of how good he is ar the piano, when Dan says he is average or below average compared to most pianists, he is right. I'm sorry to those who thought otherwise- but any pianist who has been playing at a level 6+ will tell u the same thing. Most average pianists are at a level 6 in ABRSM. Judging by Dans pieces that I have heard (ingenue,Bethovens moonlight sonata, FF, YOI, Für Elise) he is a level 6 at most who prefers to play at level 3. (He could be a secret level 8- I would not know I Ann judging on what I have heard) And yes before I am attaked I have played Fur Elise and I knew about the ingenue before I knew who Dan was and I have played it too. I Have played YOI (like two days ago lol) and I am currently playing a sonatina by Bethoven. (Sonatina in F). Also no, I am not judging Dan, I do not think that I am superior to him, and I do not think he plays horribly. He is passionate and loves music and that is what makes him an amazing musician. He also was born with perfect pitch... lucky duck lol. But this is the truth- I have seen pianisnts in the phandom who are annoyed when people gush over Dans playing- and while I am not at all annoyed for u thinking ur idol is the best (I understnad that) I also think it's important to get a truth bomb thrown in ur face once in a while and this is the truth. "Hand jumping" is level 2 which children learn to develop coordination- - NOT level 8 not even close. Level 8 is playing so fast ur fingers turn red and begin to hurt like hell. YOI is a very simple piece. Dan does not know how to read music- he has perfect pitch (which is something u are born with) and he plays by ear. He makes mistakes when he plays and he still plays beautfiully. He plays with passion and reverence and I like listening to him play. But give credit where credit is due- not where it is not due. There is nothing wrong with complimenting him and saying he is the best ever as that is ur opinion but I want to clarify which level he really is at. But u r entitled to ur opinions and i am not going to argue with u- I am not angry at u or bashing u as I know u have said u have zero experience in piano- well now u have a little more and I hope u enjoy reading this. Ask me if u have any questions about piano- while I probs won't write about Dan and Phil as I just like reading about them I will write about music as that is my passion. Thanks- sorry if ur offended I did not mean to offend.

I enjoyed this whole rant and I agree for the most part. I don't play piano, but I am a trained singer so I know a bit about this stuff. I would argue, however, that Dan does NOT have perfect pitch. That's a misnomer. I think what you mean to say is that Dan has a good ear - he can hear songs and figure them out easily because he understands chord progressions and basic movements in music because he can hear them, not because he learned them. I was also born with a good ear. I can pick out accidental notes that don't belong or predict how a piece will go just because I hear it and feel it, but I don't have perfect pitch.

If he had perfect pitch, you'd be able to play notes and he could tell you which note they are without looking, or if you said "Sing a C3" he'd be able to perfectly do that. I don't believe that he can. There are not very many who do have perfect pitch.

I don't mean to attack lol, it's just that people often tell me that I have perfect pitch because I have a good singing voice and I can hear and correct when my voice goes a little off very easily, and I usually have to explain to them why they're wrong. I just don't want people here to be thinking that Dan's some kind of whiz kid who can hear a complicated chord once and name all the notes in it.

[cosmicdisco]

Off topic:

I was thinking about how Dan mentioned in his liveshow that his family all called him Daniel and I remembered that about ?last year? some people here deciphered what that christmas card Dan had in the mantlepiece said. I had the idea that it said 'Dear Dan' (as if it said Daniel I think we would have discussed that) but now I really want to go back and check. Can someone tell me in each thread it was? Or if Dan had ever mentioned his family only calling him Daniel?

De-lurking to add to this - I always thought his family called him Daniel because at about 3:11 in this video someone refers to him as Daniel:
I feel like this hasn't been mentioned before but I may have missed it if it has!

[alittledizzy]

dan is objectively very good for someone who is self-taught and doesn't know how to read sheet music. i think that's mostly the point people are making when they praise him and enjoy listening to his snippets

I agree with this. I don't think it's so much (or at least, I hope it isn't so much) that people think he's some kind of piano prodigy so much as they enjoy that he's interested in piano and has a good ear/is obviously still interested in learning, then go way overboard encouraging him.

Some more peer interaction around Dan's rebranding:

(He liked Liam's tweet, but not Hazel's. )

[DatCog]

I guess they're flying to Orlando today...have seen some other YouTubers who appear to be en route!

New Sims video tonight do you think? Dab upgrade? Hope so, I'm just interested to see what his hair looks like!

[Pianist Flutist]

I enjoyed this whole rant and I agree for the most part. I don't play piano, but I am a trained singer so I know a bit about this stuff. I would argue, however, that Dan does NOT have perfect pitch. That's a misnomer. I think what you mean to say is that Dan has a good ear - he can hear songs and figure them out easily because he understands chord progressions and basic movements in music because he can hear them, not because he learned them. I was also born with a good ear. I can pick out accidental notes that don't belong or predict how a piece will go just because I hear it and feel it, but I don't have perfect pitch.

If he had perfect pitch, you'd be able to play notes and he could tell you which note they are without looking, or if you said "Sing a C3" he'd be able to perfectly do that. I don't believe that he can. There are not very many who do have perfect pitch.

I don't mean to attack lol, it's just that people often tell me that I have perfect pitch because I have a good singing voice and I can hear and correct when my voice goes a little off very easily, and I usually have to explain to them why they're wrong. I just don't want people here to be thinking that Dan's some kind of whiz kid who can hear a complicated chord once and name all the notes in it.

I agree and this is what I thought too I only said he has perfect pitch bc that is what he claimed in a live show. I didn't really believe him tho lol but I just added that bc he said it himself. I have the same thing! I can distinguish wrong notes and stuff but I don't have have perfect pitch- I don't think think Dan knows what perfect pitch is if he claims he has it then lol but I wasn't sure- thatnks for confirming this!

[onetruetrash]

I guess they're flying to Orlando today...have seen some other YouTubers who appear to be en route!

New Sims video tonight do you think? Dab upgrade? Hope so, I'm just interested to see what his hair looks like!

First of all, quit reminding me about how close they are

Second, they better since they didn't yesterday lol

[Pianist Flutist]

I played sax and flute

Yay another flutist!! Best instrument everrrr and yeah it's so much easier to compose when I can play by ear- I don't have perfect pitch but on the flute sometimes I'll just play random notes and I'll know what notes sound good toghther and be able to make a piece- also
I can play songs from the radio on the piano by ear lost of the time- it makes everything so much easier to have a good ear!! It's cool that u have a degree in flute!

[alittledizzy]

I guess they're flying to Orlando today...have seen some other YouTubers who appear to be en route!

New Sims video tonight do you think? Dab upgrade? Hope so, I'm just interested to see what his hair looks like!

First of all, quit reminding me about how close they are

Second, they better since they didn't yesterday lol

I'm not convinced they didn't fly yesterday, the radio silence makes me suspicious.

Though maybe if they didn't someone's sneaky vlog camera will catch them today.

[DatCog]

I played sax and flute

Yay another flutist!! Best instrument everrrr and yeah it's so much easier to compose when I can play by ear- I don't have perfect pitch but on the flute sometimes I'll just play random notes and I'll know what notes sound good toghther and be able to make a piece- also
I can play songs from the radio on the piano by ear lost of the time- it makes everything so much easier to have a good ear!! It's cool that u have a degree in flute!

I have a BA (hons) in Music with sax as my first study. I enjoyed the flute but I was very average at it and really struggled to get to grade 8 (I failed the first time I took it!) It's a shame that I don't play anymore I should be inspired by Dan to start again! It's funny, we call flute players flautists in the UK (I prefer flutist )

[hopinglester]

Off topic:

I was thinking about how Dan mentioned in his liveshow that his family all called him Daniel and I remembered that about ?last year? some people here deciphered what that christmas card Dan had in the mantlepiece said. I had the idea that it said 'Dear Dan' (as if it said Daniel I think we would have discussed that) but now I really want to go back and check. Can someone tell me in each thread it was? Or if Dan had ever mentioned his family only calling him Daniel?

De-lurking to add to this - I always thought his family called him Daniel because at about 3:11 in this video someone refers to him as Daniel:
I feel like this hasn't been mentioned before but I may have missed it if it has!

Thank you for pointing that out. This also reminded me of this video from a lady who was in Dan's class in primary school, and she always addresses him as Daniel I believe, and she pointed out in the comments how everyone at school called him Daniel and she only heard him being mentioned as Dan on Youtube. There was a photo I saw that someone posted (here?) of Dan as a child with a group of girlfriends and a girl very alike the one in this video was in the picture, so it must be her.

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):


Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

[lishachi]

I guess they're flying to Orlando today...have seen some other YouTubers who appear to be en route!

New Sims video tonight do you think? Dab upgrade? Hope so, I'm just interested to see what his hair looks like!

I was thinking about that today. I was in Uni, practically staring at the wall whilst doing work and thinking 'I wonder what Dabs hair will turn out like.' How sad of me.

I am praying that he has emo hair. Just imagine. I'm also wondering what they'll dress him like and what traits they'll give him.

[jesp]

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):
[YouTube]https://youtu.be/yUYyq5KIrYc[/YouTube]

Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

I fixed the embedding in your post. There's a handy guide in our Forum FAQs that covers embedding both full and shortened youtube links.

[sugar]

Thank you for pointing that out. This also reminded me of this video from a lady who was in Dan's class in primary school, and she always addresses him as Daniel I believe, and she pointed out in the comments how everyone at school called him Daniel and she only heard him being mentioned as Dan on Youtube. There was a photo I saw that someone posted (here?) of Dan as a child with a group of girlfriends and a girl very alike the one in this video was in the picture, so it must be her.

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):


Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

haven't had a chance to watch the video yet since i forgot my headphones but wouldn't this contradict what he said about using daniel since being called 'dan howell' reminds him of school?

edit:

also really hoping for a sims video today! i was already excited because i love the sims series but dan's live show comments have me more hyped.

[autumnhearth]

I'm not convinced they didn't fly yesterday, the radio silence makes me suspicious.

Though maybe if they didn't someone's sneaky vlog camera will catch them today.

Based on Phil's tweets I'd agree that he flew yesterday. And I can't imagine them leaving a day apart (I could see if Phil went ahead by like five days, but no.) Oh wait, now I'm reading them in context. They are replies, so he wasn't necessarily breathing in "the fresh scent of eagles and waffles" yet.

Anywho. I managed to jot down the exact quote about storage.

"'Enough storage?' So much storage. You have no idea. An incredible amount of storage, just surplus storage."

Combine that with: "I am upstairs (quote quote) in this apartment, as you'll have known that this apartment is on like nine floors, basically, it's super complicated, there's like a lounge downstairs which is super nerdy looking, which is where we're going to play video games and film videos and there's a small lounge upstairs here which is basically just a bunch of grey carp... (splutter) chairs which is just for sitting in, but we're not going to bother dragging lights and stuff upstairs, so you'll probably not see this other than in uh photos that Phil inevitably posts of me like doing something like what, stop taking photos of me you creep."

So seven floors of storage, a major exaggeration or some 999 ???

Sorry, I'm reading too much into things. I'm just going to continue re-watching The Story of TATINOF before I have to cancel YouTubeRed. (And freak out over their seperate hotel rooms floors charade).

[hopinglester]

Thank you for pointing that out. This also reminded me of this video from a lady who was in Dan's class in primary school, and she always addresses him as Daniel I believe, and she pointed out in the comments how everyone at school called him Daniel and she only heard him being mentioned as Dan on Youtube. There was a photo I saw that someone posted (here?) of Dan as a child with a group of girlfriends and a girl very alike the one in this video was in the picture, so it must be her.

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):


Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

haven't had a chance to watch the video yet since i forgot my headphones but wouldn't this contradict what he said about using daniel since being called 'dan howell' reminds him of school?

edit:

also really hoping for a sims video today! i was already excited because i love the sims series but dan's live show comments have me more hyped.

I think Dan in the video said that he was called 'Dan Howell' in high school and that's why it reminded him of school, and the lady in the video is talking about primary school, when they were 5-8 years old.

[coffeepenguin]

Thank you for pointing that out. This also reminded me of this video from a lady who was in Dan's class in primary school, and she always addresses him as Daniel I believe, and she pointed out in the comments how everyone at school called him Daniel and she only heard him being mentioned as Dan on Youtube. There was a photo I saw that someone posted (here?) of Dan as a child with a group of girlfriends and a girl very alike the one in this video was in the picture, so it must be her.

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):


Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

haven't had a chance to watch the video yet since i forgot my headphones but wouldn't this contradict what he said about using daniel since being called 'dan howell' reminds him of school?

edit:

also really hoping for a sims video today! i was already excited because i love the sims series but dan's live show comments have me more hyped.

I think Dan in the video said that he was called 'Dan Howell' in high school and that's why it reminded him of school, and the lady in the video is talking about primary school, when they were 5-8 years old.

especially, since I remember correctly, he went to an all-boys school when he was in high school (I think?)

[sugar]

Thank you for pointing that out. This also reminded me of this video from a lady who was in Dan's class in primary school, and she always addresses him as Daniel I believe, and she pointed out in the comments how everyone at school called him Daniel and she only heard him being mentioned as Dan on Youtube. There was a photo I saw that someone posted (here?) of Dan as a child with a group of girlfriends and a girl very alike the one in this video was in the picture, so it must be her.

Here's the video (I think we have talked about this before but I have the memory of a goldfish):


Edit: I'm a noob who doesn't know how to put links, I thought it was like this, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

haven't had a chance to watch the video yet since i forgot my headphones but wouldn't this contradict what he said about using daniel since being called 'dan howell' reminds him of school?

edit:

also really hoping for a sims video today! i was already excited because i love the sims series but dan's live show comments have me more hyped.

I think Dan in the video said that he was called 'Dan Howell' in high school and that's why it reminded him of school, and the lady in the video is talking about primary school, when they were 5-8 years old.

especially, since I remember correctly, he went to an all-boys school when he was in high school (I think?)

yep, you're both correct, thank you for reminding me!