Dan & Phil Part 46: Some kind of a gay backstory

[flarequake]

Yeah, I could recognise things like the emoji pillow, but I wasn't sure of all the bits and bobs in the background without comparing it all side by side.

Damn, I edited my previous post twice and still wrote "I need" instead of "in the way" (at least I think that's what I meant to type)

All this talk of "everything will change" if they had kids makes me think of that song "Son, you are a bachelor boy and that's the way to staaay".

Oh good, this is the top post of the page, but I'm one post away from 700 and still a blobfish (idk I just found it funny to slowly creep up the post-count).

[Susanisnotafish]

Yeah, I could recognise things like the emoji pillow, but I wasn't sure of all the bits and bobs in the background without comparing it all side by side.

Damn, I edited my previous post twice and still wrote "I need" instead of "in the way" (at least I think that's what I meant to type)

All this talk of "everything will change" if they had kids makes me think of that song "Son, you are a bachelor boy and that's the way to staaay".

Oh good, this is the top post of the page, but I'm one post away from 700 and still a blobfish (idk I just found it funny to slowly creep up the post-count).

It's an honor to be a blobfish!

[thephandommenace]

Also the speculations about them being in their 30s might have been about Phil's parents, not Dan's (I remember speculating about it a few threads back). Though late 20s is also a possibility to me. It's all guesswork based on how Kath looks in various videos including the baby reaction videos that show her in the late 80s, rather than actual numbers.
Not relevant but I love Kath

From last year when this topic got brought up:

When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."

I'm also pretty sure Kath was 31 when Phil was born.

Thanks dizzy! And by extension, oqua

I'm totally here for fancybum's colourful language tbh I hope I don't end up on the wrong side of it, but if I say say something dumb, by all means, read me to filth

I love seeing how they handle babies and little kids, it's so sweet, but to get one of their own? Right now? Nah. Ever? Maybe.

Also, I think someone suggested these theories before, but I think the mysterious thing in Feb could be they were working on turning the Mark of Oxin into something others could play. As for the stressful March for Dan, I wonder if his parents could have divorced.

I would LOVE for Mark of Oxin to be adapted into a real game. Not just an app, though that'd be more accessible, but a full-on RPG. I'd love to see original creations by both of them, that don't rely on their branded personalities. I need more of Phil's writing in my life.
Divorce though I know there's been speculation, but if it's true, would he talk about it publicly?

[Susanisnotafish]

I think he might do a divorce vid and mention his feelings about his parents divorce (if they did). He wouldn't go into detail. Divorce is public record in the US. Don't know about UK.

[flarequake]

It's an honor to be a blobfish!

Aww, thank you!

Where did the divorce idea come from? Every time I turn around on here there's something new that sounds like quite a reach :wtf:

Ooh, I levelled up, flower crown now

[VengefulBlue]

Where did the divorce idea come from? Every time I turn around on here there's something new that sounds like quite a reach :wtf:

when dan had to get his jean jacket from his mum, he said he left it at "her house" or "my mum's house" (i don't remember which), rather than saying "my parents' house". it was in the liveshow where he told us about wearing phil's coat.

if there's other reasons, idk them

[Susanisnotafish]

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Aww, thank you!

Where did the divorce idea come from? Every time I turn around on here there's something new that sounds like quite a reach :wtf:[/quote]


I remember somebody noticed that Dan referred to leaving his jacket at his "mum's" house instead of his "parents" house. That's all I think. So I admit it is reaching. Just a random theory. Maybe I should just write a fan fic and be more realistic on here.
Ooh, I levelled up, flower crown now [/quote]

[flarequake]

Where did the divorce idea come from? Every time I turn around on here there's something new that sounds like quite a reach :wtf:

when dan had to get his jean jacket from his mum, he said he left it at "her house" or "my mum's house" (i don't remember which), rather than saying "my parents' house". it was in the liveshow where he told us about wearing phil's coat.

if there's other reasons, idk them

Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. Could be a similar thing to how people call an apartment or flat "this house", just thinking of his mum first and meaning both his parents when he said it, but idk.

[SquishPhan]

I think he might do a divorce vid and mention his feelings about his parents divorce (if they did). He wouldn't go into detail. Divorce is public record in the US. Don't know about UK.

If his parents are getting divorced, and that is really a big if in my opinion, then I really don't think Dan would even mention it let alone make a video about it. This is the guy that doesn't talk about his parents a lot, so much so that he never even mentioned his mom's name. I really don't see him making a vid on this, like ever.

[000dia000]

I'm sorry but where did divorce come from? Should something about Dan's family's private life be posted here? I know this is a gossip forum, but everything is public. Anything that could be said here could be spread as a rumour or become "fact" by some people.

Is this meant to be a not-so secret thing that someone's friend, cousins's dog heard about? If it just an "idea" I'm not sure where it comes from. It's quite an assumption to make that Dan's parents are possibly divorcing, and something just as stretching could be any other dramatic story like illness or death. Basically [insert sob-story here] is reason for "that week in March." It could be honestly anything suggested already: moving, house-buying, adoption, even a personal family thing, but I'm just banking on it being just a bad week and moving being finalized. I doubt it's much more than that. Unless the speculation having basis on something Dan has already suggested then it just sounds like a grand conspiracy.

[phanofcats]

Where did the divorce idea come from? Every time I turn around on here there's something new that sounds like quite a reach :wtf:

when dan had to get his jean jacket from his mum, he said he left it at "her house" or "my mum's house" (i don't remember which), rather than saying "my parents' house". it was in the liveshow where he told us about wearing phil's coat.

if there's other reasons, idk them

Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. Could be a similar thing to how people call an apartment or flat "this house", just thinking of his mum first and meaning both his parents when he said it, but idk.

Yeah, I feel like if this is the only evidence we have, it's really reaching. I always refer to my grandparent's house as my grandma's house even though they are together and both live there (idk why, I just always have). He was talking about his mum, so in that context it would make perfect sense just to say "her house." I feel like this is getting far too personal and maybe shouldn't be discussed. It's none of our business..

[VengefulBlue]

yeah i definitely think it's reaching and it seems intrusive and weird to talk about.

i think the week in march was probably work/house related. maybe part of a secret project got messed up, or maybe they'd found the forever home and then that fell through.

on kids: i agree that they probably aren't in a place to have kids rn, if only bc they've said they aren't ready for a dog and kids are a bigger responsibility than a dog. but they could be starting to make those kinds of plans, even if it's years away. 25-30 is a good age to start seriously thinking about/planning for kids, even if they don't want them right this minute. i think they could still do the same content they do now, except maybe the liveshows and conventions. i imagine they might have a kid in like 5-10 years. i can also imagine them never having kids. whatever they do, i hope the phandom isn't creepy about it and that deppy are happy and stuff.

[alittledizzy]

Mod Note:

While it's fine for individual users to not want to engage in some conversations because they find the topic personally uncomfortable, speculation on the topic of Dan's parents is fine and allowed on the forum as long as it doesn't cross the line into involving personal information not shared by Dan himself in a public avenue such as a liveshow.

[flarequake]

Squish has tweeted (and seemingly disappeared right afterwards with no replies to anyone)

[bluewho]

I think he might do a divorce vid and mention his feelings about his parents divorce (if they did). He wouldn't go into detail. Divorce is public record in the US. Don't know about UK.

If his parents are getting divorced, and that is really a big if in my opinion, then I really don't think Dan would even mention it let alone make a video about it. This is the guy that doesn't talk about his parents a lot, so much so that he never even mentioned his mom's name. I really don't see him making a vid on this, like ever.

+1
That whole coat story was a little insincere in my opinion anyway, with 'Johnny''s appearance I wouldn't reach too much into him saying 'her house'. I think it's a bit of a reach if that's all it is based on.

Squish has tweeted (and seemingly disappeared right afterwards with no replies to anyone)

Do you think there's some insecurity here about the tum?

[captainspacecoat]

You know, I'm usually one to advocate for believing somebody until it's been irrevocably disproven, presumption of innocence and all that. With Deppy, they've been sufficiently open with us lately, there are pretty much no or very few instances of them outright lying any more, they might conceal information, but not misrepresent it. Even with the dreaded busgate, I think we can all agree, the rock-paper-scissors skit they put in the documentary is transparent enough (what were the actual sleeping arrangements doesn't matter, it's about how they treat it as an information to be or not to be shared). It's making fun of the fandom, yes, but it's all in good fun. Now, with Phil's new bedroom, or at least that's how it's being presented, I first saw few reasons not to believe them. But now with the reflection... that room is TINY!!! And I'm sorry, mate, but in no way it's the same as your previous one, although you keep insisting. What are those valentine's day flowers even doing there? I mean, if you want to have a set as a background, I'm all for it, just don't treat your audience as if we're dumb, we're not, I swear (even if reading your twitter replies might leave you thinking otherwise). I'm not asking that they show us their bed(s), it's their right to privacy and I fully respect it, I'm just a bit upset, I thought we were over this

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think there's any need to worry! Like you, I don't believe that that is where Phil actually sleeps most of the time, and think it's more likely that that room is a filming space/place for him to hang out and occasionally sleep from time to time. I think it's more likely they're both in the master bedroom (or "Dan's room") most nights. However, if that is truly the case, we can't expect them to be truthful about that. What options do they have beyond pretending to have two distinct, separate bedrooms (which is what they seem to be doing) or confirming that they share a room. If they were to do the latter, they'd be outright confirming their relationship, and if that isn't something they are ready or willing to do than they're obviously not gonna do that. It's their right to present their relationship however they want as far as I'm concerned, and I don't at all take this as them treating their audience as dumb, just them taking a necessary step to avoid explicitly confirming their relationship, which they have no obligation to do if they don't want to.

re: divorce or whatever - I completely agree that there's nothing at all to suggest Dan's parents got divorced, and even if they did I can't see Dan ever making a video about that. He's notoriously private about his family, so I really don't think he'd ever go there. Even Dodie, who is very open about personal things on her youtube channel, was very private about her parents' recent divorce until this year, and even then she really only alluded to it.

[autumnhearth]

Squish has tweeted (and seemingly disappeared right afterwards with no replies to anyone)

Do you think there's some insecurity here about the tum?

There has been insecurity about tums since at least 2009 on both parts. Silly boys.

Anyone care to give some background as to how/why the term Squish refers to Dan? I looked it up on Urban Dictionary and it kinda makes sense, I'm just curious if there is something more to it.

The end of that check list sounds to me like they should be heading back home soon.

[Catallena]

Meh, there are a few phandom members who have access to his brother's social media and unless he being mute about it as well I'm not believing the divorce theory because something would've leaked by now I think.. at least into some more private circles of the phandom.

[sans]

You know, I'm usually one to advocate for believing somebody until it's been irrevocably disproven, presumption of innocence and all that. With Deppy, they've been sufficiently open with us lately, there are pretty much no or very few instances of them outright lying any more, they might conceal information, but not misrepresent it. Even with the dreaded busgate, I think we can all agree, the rock-paper-scissors skit they put in the documentary is transparent enough (what were the actual sleeping arrangements doesn't matter, it's about how they treat it as an information to be or not to be shared). It's making fun of the fandom, yes, but it's all in good fun. Now, with Phil's new bedroom, or at least that's how it's being presented, I first saw few reasons not to believe them. But now with the reflection... that room is TINY!!! And I'm sorry, mate, but in no way it's the same as your previous one, although you keep insisting. What are those valentine's day flowers even doing there? I mean, if you want to have a set as a background, I'm all for it, just don't treat your audience as if we're dumb, we're not, I swear (even if reading your twitter replies might leave you thinking otherwise). I'm not asking that they show us their bed(s), it's their right to privacy and I fully respect it, I'm just a bit upset, I thought we were over this

Putting under spoiler as well cause i dont know if i'm wording my thoughts properly

I thought I was the only one here with this opinion. I've been watching youtubers pretty much since the site started because I love the way a lot of them are really genuine and like-- actual human beings. I like Deppy because of this, but stuff like Phil repeating how the room is 'the same as the other one' every chance he gets it just has me going Reminds me of that liveshow thing with the plushies. Anyway, they have the right to hide whatever they want as well.

Short thing about the new video as well, since im super late:

Fricking amazing, I loved it. They were so fond with each other ahh.

I totally fell for the banana thing, how is Phil so good at making up stuff?! Like seriously, with the gummies ("they change flavors in your mouth, mine changed 3 times") and this, the dude is a fucking lying genius. Phil, for the love of christ, do something related with storytelling please

[capybantsa]

Regarding "adoption", isn't that a word also used for pets? They could be doggie daddies! When they're ready, of course.


I don't care about a rippling six pack, but I think it would be good if Dan got more fit. He's looking very soft these days and I'm a little worried about his health, especially with the accumulation of visceral fat, which is the most dangerous kind. He's hit the wall of youth the last few years and his body is going to start betraying him if he doesn't develop healthy lifestyle habits. Plus if he gets more fit maybe it'll help him feel more secure, which would be very good.

Celebrity secret for rippling abs: Only eat meat, do ab exerciss until you want to die

I see Dan is still coming for those twins though. First the divination/tarot video, now he's gonna develop an ability to gaze beyond death!

Wait... psychic Daniel... three arms.... omg! Is he going to pretend to be conjoined twins and become a rival channel to the Psychic Twins channel??
Psychic Conjoined Twins!!

Anyone else totally miss that they (sort of) held hands for a second in the new video??:
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I did miss that! To me it looks like a "shhh just accept your fate" gesture from Dan, but it's cute how Phil let his hand be dragged away

[offtopic]Oh man, I get the sense that my English is weird today. Is it weird? I spent too much time without aircon and my brain is fried lol
[/offtopic]

I won't quote everybody, but hank you very much to those who are understanding to me. I appreciate it a lot.

If any of you got the impression that I was upset because people disagreed with me, that is not the case. I respect your opinions, even the ones I disagree with, and I think freedom of speech and diversity of thought are very important. I really don't understand how my complaining about other people rejecting different opinions can come across as me rejecting other opinions, when it seems obvious from the nature of the complaint that the rejection of differing opinions is something I think is bad, but maybe it's a cultural difference

Reading the responses to my last post, I'm beginning to get a bigger sense of different values than I'm used to. Has western culture changed a lot in the last few years or something? I'm always told I've become quite westernized with my social values, but on this forum I feel very Japanese at times.

In Japan, if you show too much of your emotions to somebody you don't have a close relationship to it's extremely disrespectful. It means you have no consideration for the person you're talking to and only care about yourself. I know this isn't a value in the west, and I try to keep that in mind, but there's so much emotion on here my inside is screaming "THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU AS A PERSON". Is this unique to this forum or is it pervasive to the culture? None of my westerner friends are like this, and I don't remember things being like this in the past... Maybe my westerner friends aren't like this because they moved to Asia before the culture changed? Peculiar...

By the way, I brought up Tyler before because I thought what he did was not that different from Shane's behavior (though more inappropriate in my mind because of the closer connection to them), and I never saw any backlash from the phandom despite such violent backlash to Shane, so I thought if people can accept Tyler and his reasons, they should be able to accept Shane and his reasons. Obviously you guys didn't see or agree with my line of thinking. I guess that's a difference of values too.

Anyway, I will try to be more tolerant of "passion". Please in return try to remember the effect it can have on other people

[phanofcats]

Squish has tweeted (and seemingly disappeared right afterwards with no replies to anyone)

Wonder if this means we'll be getting a video from him soon?? Also maybe they're home/coming home now??

[flarequake]

Anyone care to give some background as to how/why the term Squish refers to Dan? I looked it up on Urban Dictionary and it kinda makes sense, I'm just curious if there is something more to it.

The end of that check list sounds to me like they should be heading back home soon.

My understanding is cos he's soft around the edges unlike a lot of men, including Phil, and a bit squishy in the middle too. I heard the definition urban dictionary gives only recently and it might be that too, I just interpreted it as softness when I saw tumblr posts saying it.

[thephandommenace]

In Japan, if you show too much of your emotions to somebody you don't have a close relationship to it's extremely disrespectful. It means you have no consideration for the person you're talking to and only care about yourself. I know this isn't a value in the west, and I try to keep that in mind, but there's so much emotion on here my inside is screaming "THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU AS A PERSON". Is this unique to this forum or is it pervasive to the culture? None of my westerner friends are like this, and I don't remember things being like this in the past... Maybe my westerner friends aren't like this because they moved to Asia before the culture changed? Peculiar...

By the way, I brought up Tyler before because I thought what he did was not that different from Shane's behavior (though more inappropriate in my mind because of the closer connection to them), and I never saw any backlash from the phandom despite such violent backlash to Shane, so I thought if people can accept Tyler and his reasons, they should be able to accept Shane and his reasons. Obviously you guys didn't see or agree with my line of thinking. I guess that's a difference of values too.

This probably isn't directed at me but I found it interesting so I'll reply with a spoiler because slightly OT

You bring up some interesting points regarding how the Japanese view opinions. But for Westerners, complaining/ venting/ using emotive language with people you aren't familiar with has always come more naturally (though of course it depends on the individual), and isn't a new thing. So your Western friends in Japan have probably just become more socialised in Japanese ways (it definitely happened to me ).

Especially when I moved from the south of England to the north (where I feel some aspects of the culture match the Kansai stereotypes), strangers tend to have fewer qualms striking up conversation with you, and will be more direct in the opinions they express. It's not seen as disrespectful to be emotive in your speech, even when you don't know each other that well. It's often viewed as a sign of authenticity, as you're speaking from the heart. I think this is helped by there being fewer boundaries between formal and informal language in English compared to Japanese, and thus there was a cultural shift with fewer boundaries in social situations than in Japan. I think in Japan the different tiers of language (e.g. plain form, desu/masu, keigo) mark social boundaries more clearly, whereas in English it's easy to overstep the mark.
When you're getting to know someone, I notice people in the West (or at least from my experience, people in English-speaking countries) are generally more open straight away, and it will take more time to get to know a Japanese person and feel comfortable enough to be emotive around them. Whereas in the West, even if you don't know the person at all and you hear them express an opinion you don't like, or feel offended by, you'd probably still reply quite emotively. I see it happen all the time. Even I, someone who fears confrontation, often can't stop myself from an emotive outburst if I hear something I don't like. Also I think it's different on the internet - there are fewer social boundaries, anonymity allows you to express yourself more freely, and it's just expected that if you put an opinion out there you will probably be challenged.

And yes in this case I feel it didn't just come down to a mere difference in opinion, but a difference in values, which can get people quite fired up. I find Shane's behaviour threatening and gross and it angers me on many more levels than just his disrespect for closeted LGBT colleagues, but Tyler, when asked a direct question live on stage so he couldn't really back out and had minimal time to think of his response, just said he liked the idea. I don't believe he'd say such a thing now, as shown by his more recent statements, but even at the time I don't think it was anywhere near as problematic as what Shane's doing now. It would be like comparing littering (the kind when you try to throw it into the bin from a distance and miss) to an oil spill. I'm not sure what this analogy was.

Carry on

[coffeepenguin]

You know, I'm usually one to advocate for believing somebody until it's been irrevocably disproven, presumption of innocence and all that. With Deppy, they've been sufficiently open with us lately, there are pretty much no or very few instances of them outright lying any more, they might conceal information, but not misrepresent it. Even with the dreaded busgate, I think we can all agree, the rock-paper-scissors skit they put in the documentary is transparent enough (what were the actual sleeping arrangements doesn't matter, it's about how they treat it as an information to be or not to be shared). It's making fun of the fandom, yes, but it's all in good fun. Now, with Phil's new bedroom, or at least that's how it's being presented, I first saw few reasons not to believe them. But now with the reflection... that room is TINY!!! And I'm sorry, mate, but in no way it's the same as your previous one, although you keep insisting. What are those valentine's day flowers even doing there? I mean, if you want to have a set as a background, I'm all for it, just don't treat your audience as if we're dumb, we're not, I swear (even if reading your twitter replies might leave you thinking otherwise). I'm not asking that they show us their bed(s), it's their right to privacy and I fully respect it, I'm just a bit upset, I thought we were over this

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think there's any need to worry! Like you, I don't believe that that is where Phil actually sleeps most of the time, and think it's more likely that that room is a filming space/place for him to hang out and occasionally sleep from time to time. I think it's more likely they're both in the master bedroom (or "Dan's room") most nights. However, if that is truly the case, we can't expect them to be truthful about that. What options do they have beyond pretending to have two distinct, separate bedrooms (which is what they seem to be doing) or confirming that they share a room. If they were to do the latter, they'd be outright confirming their relationship, and if that isn't something they are ready or willing to do than they're obviously not gonna do that. It's their right to present their relationship however they want as far as I'm concerned, and I don't at all take this as them treating their audience as dumb, just them taking a necessary step to avoid explicitly confirming their relationship, which they have no obligation to do if they don't want to.

They can still pretend they have two separate bedrooms without selling the set as one? We know for a fact they are capable of not showing something if they put their mind to it (like cracks in their old apartment). Idk man, this room is not the same as the old one, embrace the change is what I'm saying?

sans

capybantsa, I'd like to kindly remind you that not all people on this forum are "Westerners", nor do all people here speak English as their first language (or sometimes even second, which, I think, can alter the perception of what the person intended to say, especially in respect to how strong a word is used). I am of opinion that it might change your perspective a bit, but you may, of course, disagree with me.

[LtrllySusan]

The problem is by now they are pretty deep into that whole "This is Phil's actual bedroom" farce that they can't admit it's a set and that he has another separate bedroom. They could have handled it differently from the start, but maybe they weren't aware how hard it would be to make a guestroom look like a bedroom that someone actually lives in. So when they realised the bed was too big to fit next to the drawer and so on, it was already too late to change the story.

[offtopic]Does anyone find the drawer and bed table ... kinda ugly? I think that colour of wood just doesn't worked in a "crammed" setup like this, it's too heavy. But what do I know, I only have IKEA furniture [/offtopic]