Dan & Phil Part 46: Some kind of a gay backstory

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LtrllySusan wrote::welcome: I'm also still new and confused about formulating thoughts.

The reason people started discussing the "beardroom" in the first place was because of the drawer placement looking incredibly impractical for everyday use. The fact that the room is also small was just adding on top of that. Of course, what you are saying makes a lot of sense. So if the major argument was that it can't be his room because it's small, it would be invalid after your reasoning. But the major argument is that it looks impractical and unrealistic. Even if you only sleep in there and get your clothes - with that drawer/bed placement, it seems like quite the hassle.
that, but also he mentioned that the bed was smaller. he's not a small man, and moving to a flat with more space and having a room so small that he has to downsize his bed and even the smaller bed hardly fits in the room seems....odd, at best.

we haven't seen "dan's" room but the way he's described it for some reason i find it hard to believe his is as small as phil's. and if they dont share a room it doesn't make sense that phils would be that much smaller than dan's. whatever the rooming situation is i just don't believe phil sleeps in the one he films in.

as far as not needing to spend time in the room because they've made a home, i see that in some ways. but also, if dan has his own space he's taken pride in decorating (moon room) i can see phil wanting that as well, either in his own space or sharing that experience with dan in the moon room. most people i know who have nice homes extend that to the bedroom which is often large and well decorated. maybe phil isn't as big on interior design as dan is but i still think he'd want a bigger space. my mom spends lots of time in her room even though she has the rest of the house.
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Lavny, thank you for sharing your thoughts! i think you made a good point. i honestly can't even imagine how my relationship towards my apartment would change if i had that much space for myself lmao. we know nothing about how the rest of the apartment looks like or even how many rooms there are, so who knows? maybe it's not important to phil to have a room that he decorated, such as it seems to dan. maybe the apartment really has 9 stories and phil has his own personal lounge where he keeps his stuff and dan is not allowed to enter. maybe they have a shared walk-in closet and plan to stock up on their clothing and that's why there's so much empty space in phil's bedroom. maybe phil secretly hates beds and sleeps on the kitchen floor each night. i guess it's fair to say that he probably doesn't spend all of his time in there when they have two living rooms and his personal stuff and tv seems to be somewhere else, but whether he sleeps there or not...i personally don't think it's significant?
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based on dan's tweet on rebranding it seems like he is back to work...has the permanent vacation ended? lol
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same! i never thought about it that way. it'd be interesting to take a step back and look at what a casual viewer of only one of their main channels or the gaming channel might know about their lives. but since i started watching both of their channels and dapg pretty simultaneously, i can't really disentangle the information anymore.
I don't know about most viewers, but I started watching Deppy from their gaming channel and only watched that channel for the longest time, because they seemed very fake/manufactured to me in their separate channels (please dont kill me idb) and when I finally got around watching their solo videos, at the beginning, I had the completely opposite reaction of what you guys describe here: I though that they were extremely private. Compared to other 'vloggers', Deppy share very little. From their gaming channel being weirdly too edited (seriously, there are some jump cuts that just don't make sense.), to them almost always filming in the same place, I got the feeling that everything in their videos is under their control, and nothing was spontaneous. I mostly watch gamers tho, so I'm not used to scripted videos, so my opinion was most likely biased and I don't think it's the same as another casual subscriber.

Nowadays, ofc, as I watched so many videos, I no longer see them they are the manufactured youtubers I thought they were. But it took a lot of unscripted liveshows and lurking in this forum to change my mind, and I still think they are super private with the important stuff.

Bedroom talk: this is all convoluted and I really want them to come back so we can get some answers. (i dont expect direct answers of course) but if it IS a set, which most of us already think it is, they must know they can hide it forever, eventually the evidence is gonna pile up so much that Phil pretending he lives real its just gonna feel silly i dunno man. i need more videos.
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when will dan and phil come home from the war

no but seriously I'm happy for them and everything but I miss them

is anyone else slightly salty that they personally can't drop everything and go on permanent vacation like dan and phil?? lol oh god i need to lie on a beach for two years i am so tired
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Lavny wrote: In general the importance of a bedroom is getting lower with time (age). Yeah you still sleep in it, and do other very important stuff ;) , but while your bedroom is your "own kingdom" as long as you live with your parents and getting even more important if you move out for the first time as a student or young adult, there comes a point in live where the whole apartment/house belongs to you. It becomes your home that you've shaped. There is no more need for a big bedroom, where you can work, read, watch movies, or relax in, because there are better places around to do all of this. You've created a "home" - and I have the impression that this is exactly what Dan and Phil did: they created a home. And for me this is completely in line with your "family-theory", and I am a big fan of this theory. Because it doesn't matter if they're romantically involved or not, as family they belong together and can shape their future (and home) as they want.
Welcome, Lavny. I think this is a lovely point (and I have similar fears/frustrations with me expressing my thoughts well). It also reflects why I think I am less interested by the bed conversation (although I do find the potential cramped-ness of Phil's new room interesting).

However, I do also think the bedroom is probably for filming and not sleeping. I also think this family aspect of Deppy's relationship (romantic or not) relates back to them having designated areas for filming and perhaps intending to keep more of their rooms off-camera. Because I can imagine that spaces might start to feel less like "theirs" after they've done a lot of filming/production in them, especially because I do think Deppy are a lot more private than other YouTubers, or at least controlled in terms of what information/moments of vulnerability they do share. I believe they do share things sometimes, either because they've grown tired of hiding/protecting everything (a theory I've enjoyed seeing the expansion of on here since they've moved) or because I think it is also a human instinct to sometimes enjoy sharing vulnerability with an audience, because a rush of strength can sometimes come from that. But either way, I think Deppy like being in control of these moments of sharing, and it's probably a lot easier to be in control if they have designated filming areas. And I think Phil wanted to keep a bedroom set-up because it matches his brand of manufactured authenticity. (I remember when we were speculating about new filming set-ups, some people here pointed out that they would be sad if Phil stopped filming in a bedroom, because that would take away some of the "I'm just sitting and chatting with you" vibe that he has.

(Ugh, see, after typing all this and reading through it, I still feel like I've struggled to make this make any sense.)
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I love these guys! I reckon they're home now :D

Edit: nice to see Phil taking the lead with the register to vote tweets today
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DatCog wrote:I love these guys! I reckon they're home now :D
Phil using a lighthearted cat gif to promote something serious and Dan dragging him a little for it.
Very like them.
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It's strange, when they don't do liveshows for a longer period of time I detach a lot. I'm meh whatever about all things D&P right now, though I enjoyed the last video. Maybe it's healthy I don't know
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bee wrote:It's strange, when they don't do liveshows for a longer period of time I detach a lot. I'm meh whatever about all things D&P right now, though I enjoyed the last video. Maybe it's healthy I don't know

i wonder if we will get a liveshow tomorrow? it seems like they might be back home based on lack of florida posts
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DatCog wrote:I love these guys! I reckon they're home now :D

Edit: nice to see Phil taking the lead with the register to vote tweets today
Aww wow Phil taking the lead with this! I feel like we've turned a corner
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lurker wrote:maybe phil secretly hates beds and sleeps on the kitchen floor each night.
this is absolutely the truth and nothing will convince me otherwise.
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Thanks for the nice welcome everyone!
DatCog wrote:I love these guys! I reckon they're home now :D

Edit: nice to see Phil taking the lead with the register to vote tweets today
It's so great that they use their influence to remind people to register for voting. I hope it helped.
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BSV wrote:
DatCog wrote:I love these guys! I reckon they're home now :D

Edit: nice to see Phil taking the lead with the register to vote tweets today
I am finding it hard to trust that anything they do even who tweets first isn't calculated and manufactured. All because of the beardroom I guess. And maybe the lack of explanation about the Bahama trip.
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Susanisnotafish wrote:I am finding it hard to trust that anything they do even who tweets first isn't calculated and manufactured. All because of the beardroom I guess. And maybe the lack of explanation about the Bahama trip.
A lot of things they do are definitely calculated and manufactured. Youtube is their job, who is 100% honest with everyone at their job? The examples you've listed are pretty different from each other, though.

As far as tweets like this - yes, they definitely look at analytics and the response social media posts get, they know that to give something the maximum reach it helps if they both contribute. Who wouldn't extremely carefully think/plan out something that's going to anywhere between four and five million people? In my opinion it's a win/win that what we want to see is actually their genuine dynamic but it doesn't mean they are ignorant to the fact that they get a better response because it's the two of them interacting, and not just one of them tweeting at us. That just seems like them being good at their jobs.

As far as the bed - it's not a matter of Phil lying to me, so much as the fact that we are their audience and they want a separation from us. They aren't obligated to give us 100% honesty when it comes to things that they just don't want to share with us. Their sleeping arrangement is one of those things.

And the Bahama trip? He hasn't lied to us, he just hasn't told us anything. I think we will get an explanation, he just wants to give it to us in a scenario where he can tell the whole story.

The things that I don't trust are the things I can't see a motivation behind. If Dan came along and was like "Oops I never went to the Bahamas." I wouldn't trust that, because I think he definitely did. But if I can understand why they would refrain from being completely honest or even just withhold information, then it doesn't bother me.
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As much as I'm sure Dan and Phil are enjoying their 100th holiday this year, I selfishly hope they come home soon as I am missing their liveshows. Videos are great and all but I am bored.com and want something juicy to happen, it feels like they've been away for as long as USA tatinof.

Me right now:
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And I've been occupied with real life for the past two weeks so I don't know how you guys have coped.
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missemma wrote:As much as I'm sure Dan and Phil are enjoying their 100th holiday this year, I selfishly hope they come home soon as I am missing their liveshows. Videos are great and all but I am bored.com and want something juicy to happen, it feels like they've been away for as long as USA tatinof.

Me right now:
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And I've been occupied with real life for the past two weeks so I don't know how you guys have coped.
literally me rn

and same tbh I've been super busy with real life stuff but I've missed having liveshows to unwind with in the evening. I'm happy that they're having a lovely time and I appreciate the effort they've put in to pre-recording and uploading YT content over the last few weeks, but I still miss their liveshows. I just miss hearing them chat about stuff. I'm looking forward to hearing all of Phil's crazy anecdotes from their Florida trip and I'm hoping Dan will go on a political rant ahead of the GE, how is he feeling about the current sitch I NEED TO KNOW gah

And I need more Dil! I've been behind since Christmas and I recently marathoned them all and got to the end of them and now I don't know what to do with my life omg

it's kind of crazy that you can miss two people you've never met but oh well this is the brave new world we live in technology owns us all
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I love that gif missemma, brilliant expression. I like Emma Stone.

Having had a lovely holiday myself for a bit over a week (just reminded myself I meant to write all about it, oops forgot with the knockback of being fired), and feeling so relaxed for the first in a long time, I'm glad for them that they've stayed for a full two weeks. Florida is one of my favourite places in the world, it's so sunny and green (I went as a kid and those memories help, especially as Disney constantly reminded me of my dad. So, weirdly, do Phil's arm freckles and long feet, he and Deps are a little entwined for me as I became a fan of them not long after he died).

Nice to see a political tweet from Phil cutened with a kitten. It might have done more good a bit earlier, but still it's a good last push. We can only hope it's enough, I have a feeling it won't be, but we don't know yet.

If they're home then let's hope they're happy to do a liveshow tomorrow. It's been a while and we haven't heard about Playlist, the Bahamas, the cute friend's baby, the banana prank and Phil getting locked out. Well, we've heard some, but still, some background insight would be nice. The weather is nice for their return, I'm even contemplating buying some shorts.
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alittledizzy wrote:
Susanisnotafish wrote:I am finding it hard to trust that anything they do even who tweets first isn't calculated and manufactured. All because of the beardroom I guess. And maybe the lack of explanation about the Bahama trip.
A lot of things they do are definitely calculated and manufactured. Youtube is their job, who is 100% honest with everyone at their job? The examples you've listed are pretty different from each other, though.

As far as tweets like this - yes, they definitely look at analytics and the response social media posts get, they know that to give something the maximum reach it helps if they both contribute. Who wouldn't extremely carefully think/plan out something that's going to anywhere between four and five million people? In my opinion it's a win/win that what we want to see is actually their genuine dynamic but it doesn't mean they are ignorant to the fact that they get a better response because it's the two of them interacting and not just one of them tweeting at us. That just seems like them being good at their jobs.

As far as the bed - it's not a matter of Phil lying to me, so much as the fact that we are their audience and they want a separation from us. They aren't obligated to give us 100% honesty when it comes to things that they just don't want to share with us. Their sleeping arrangement is one of those things.

And the Bahama trip? He hasn't lied to us, he just hasn't told us anything. I think we will get an explanation, he just wants to give it to us in a scenario where he can tell the whole story.
Very articulate response as usual! I definitely see your points. I am new to the Phandom and youtube/fandoms in general so I just need to get used to some things that a lot of you have already learned
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I like how Phil manages to stay on brand whilst still pushing the political message - it's quite a clever way of reminding people/keeping them interested with the tweet without going full out politics so their younger audience can relate.

I must be the only one that isn't missing the liveshows too much. I love liveshows because they often reveal moments that can't be edited or changed for us to see (I will never recover from Dan's lil grin when he speaks about Phil being obsessed with corgis, he just looks so subtly joyful), but I have literally no time for watching an hour long liveshow (yay GCSE's) and then I'd miss out on all the bants on here :/ Gaming vids that are a third of the time in comparison to a liveshow are much easier to slip into my evening in comparison to a scheduled liveshow
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Although I'm ready for them to be home doing live shows again, I selfishly don't want them back tomorrow! As I do work tomorrow night and don't want to miss the first one back from playlist/the family holiday! :wahh:

I do think they might be home at this point, but I could see Dan using jetlag as an excuse to not do a live show.
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I'm happy about Phil's tweet.

I also don't really miss the live shows. It would be nice to have one again soon, but I can't say that I miss them.
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phanofcats wrote:Although I'm ready for them to be home doing live shows again, I selfishly don't want them back tomorrow! As I do work tomorrow night and don't want to miss the first one back from playlist/the family holiday! :wahh:

I do think they might be home at this point, but I could see Dan using jetlag as an excuse to not do a live show.
The "jet lag" excuse sounds pretty likely and I also selfishly don't want them to do a liveshow tomorrow because I have exams the next day. Every liveshow prompts multiple discussions off of so many different things they say and I'd hate to miss out
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This came out of nowhere, but I didn't see anyone else mention this.

I was rewatching Dan and Phil's moving out video and they point out a bit of green paint on their lounge floor and one of them (I don't remember which) said "I don't know why that would be there" in a hinting tone (if that makes sense). I think it's safe to assume that it had something to do with their secret project they were working on in February. What would they be doing involving paint?

I'm only mentioning it because I haven't seen much speculation about it.
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I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.
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