Dan & Phil Part 46: Some kind of a gay backstory

[colickygoat]

maybe phil secretly hates beds and sleeps on the kitchen floor each night.

this is absolutely the truth and nothing will convince me otherwise.

........err

I live in a fairly sizeable 2 bedroom apartment with 2 good beds. I hate beds. And the bedrooms are kind of cold. Every night i drag a mattress into the kitchen to sleep. Every morning i drag it back so no one will ever know... It's been 3 years. I've yet to sleep in either bedroom.

[malday]

This came out of nowhere, but I didn't see anyone else mention this.

I was rewatching Dan and Phil's moving out video and they point out a bit of green paint on their lounge floor and one of them (I don't remember which) said "I don't know why that would be there" in a hinting tone (if that makes sense). I think it's safe to assume that it had something to do with their secret project they were working on in February. What would they be doing involving paint?

I'm only mentioning it because I haven't seen much speculation about it.

This:

[captainspacecoat]

I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.

Ok, but I still think it's rude and unnecessary to comment on another person's health/fitness/weight. It's not our place, and can make a lot of people who struggle with weight for whatever reason very uncomfortable and upset.

As far as the bed - it's not a matter of Phil lying to me, so much as the fact that we are their audience and they want a separation from us. They aren't obligated to give us 100% honesty when it comes to things that they just don't want to share with us. Their sleeping arrangement is one of those things.

This!!! This was what I was trying to say yesterday but you said it a lot more succinctly

In other news, I'm glad Phil was the one to initiate the 'register to vote' tweet this time! Good on them both. I also wouldn't be surprised if they've headed back to England, but if I'm honest as much as I love live shows I'm not actually missing them that much as the thought of dnp on a long holiday with Phil's family is honestly enough to sustain me

Also, hope everyone in Manchester is okay

[jaej]

i think i've been here like... 3 times since they moved and every time the conversation is about whether or not they're sharing a bed in the place they're currently in lol how you going to say "a grown adult not doing enough exercise will mean they gain excess fat and become unhealthy" is too personal or unnecessary

ngl once you 100% stop caring about their relationship there is like... nothing to be interested in because they straight up don't need to put effort into their content because "omg has the pillow moved" will keep them relevant enough. no wonder they keep it ambiguous lol, there won't be a confirmation either way until people stop caring

[VengefulBlue]

maybe phil secretly hates beds and sleeps on the kitchen floor each night.

this is absolutely the truth and nothing will convince me otherwise.

........err

I live in a fairly sizeable 2 bedroom apartment with 2 good beds. I hate beds. And the bedrooms are kind of cold. Every night i drag a mattress into the kitchen to sleep. Every morning i drag it back so no one will ever know... It's been 3 years. I've yet to sleep in either bedroom.

tbh i slept on a mattress on the floor until i was about 10 and it was a while before i actually switched to liking beds, so i wouldn't even judge if he really did sleep on the floor. i would worry for his knees tho, he's gigantic and i hear getting up and down from laying on the floor isn't the comfiest thing for tall people. i think they share a bed tho

but now i really want art of him sleeping on the kitchen floor and dan tripping over him and the ensuing conversation (and dan tells him to sleep on his floor instead of in the kitchen wHOOPS i am trash)

[howadorableright]

i think i've been here like... 3 times since they moved and every time the conversation is about whether or not they're sharing a bed in the place they're currently in lol how you going to say "a grown adult not doing enough exercise will mean they gain excess fat and become unhealthy" is too personal or unnecessary

ngl once you 100% stop caring about their relationship there is like... nothing to be interested in because they straight up don't need to put effort into their content because "omg has the pillow moved" will keep them relevant enough. no wonder they keep it ambiguous lol, there won't be a confirmation either way until people stop caring

I agree that the beardroom conversation has been going on a bit too long and it definitely seems excessive but honestly what is there to discuss atm? They've been so open recently that it feels like we're grasping at straws, and in a way, I think that's pretty cool. The fact that the stuff that's happening now is stuff we used to fantasize about happening and discuss the possibility that it was happening

As for the weight discussion, I don't care. I think that it's too personal to discuss, but you could also make the argument that everything we analyze is technically too personal to discuss. Either way, Dan looks perfectly healthy and happy which is all I could ever ask for.

[plath]

sorry for the OT post but I hope all manchester idb and phandom members are okay

this is so fucked up. fuck.

[flarequake]

I had a phase of sleeping on a mattress on the floor when I was about 10. I can't see Phil doing that, it's not the most luxurious way to sleep (not that he's a diva, but he has said he likes nice things), but the thought of Dan tripping over him and complaining in a fic is funny.

What happened in Manchester is awful, not a lot of news yet, but people are rallying round and helping each other out.

[adequate duck]

I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.

no, listen just be quiet about dan's weight/fat. don't hide it in fake concern for his health. you have no idea what his actual health is like and it's between him and his doctor only.
it's not like i'm talking out of my arse here either, i may not be a doctor or a biologist, but i do read enough to not be an ignorant fuck. weight/fat/health correlation is all over the place and very few studies are absolutely 100% free of bias and error. worry about your own weight and health and shut up about other people's.

[jesp]

Moderating

I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.

no, listen just be quiet about dan's weight/fat. don't hide it in fake concern for his health. you have no idea what his actual health is like and it's between him and his doctor only.
it's not like i'm talking out of my arse here either, i may not be a doctor or a biologist, but i do read enough to not be an ignorant fuck. weight/fat/health correlation is all over the place and very few studies are absolutely 100% free of bias and error. worry about your own weight and health and shut up about other people's.

I understand that this is a delicate topic, but do not tell other posters what they can or can not post here, or tell them to shut up.

[RiriPandaHeart2]

[offtopic]Not that I'm defending capybantsa's pov about Dan's weight (because I also disagree with weight-health correlation, hate body discussions and struggle with my own body-image), but I think I have to weigh in on this discussion in the views of culture.

At its core, a lot of what is deemed offensive in the West (when I say West, not the geographic West, but all influenced by Western cultures, ideals, and standards) are culturally okay in the East. An example of this would be body discussions (as much as I loathe and despise it bringing brought up in conversation) in the sense that in my country, saying: "You've grown fat/thin" is an acceptable way of greeting, and casually making observations about weight is normal

Other observations is that people in the East are much more bound by heteronormative concepts and we struggle a lot more to be politically correct and accepting. In my country, for example, sexuality as slurs is still used, breaking gender norms is frowned upon (to the point that my family thinks accepting my cousin is gay is already filled up by not berating him about it but actively telling him to not get a bf lest he be in a scandal ), cat-calling is usual, there's sexuality-erasure, etc., . And it's more usual to be conforming to this offensive culture than to not be. It's at the point that my first exposure to sexualities beyond homosexuality and heterosexuality was at age 20, and it was because of my getting into a fandom. Basically, discussions around sexuality is just not done here much. (Edit: Disclaimer. Personally, I don't subscribe to heteronormativity and I've been doing my best to be more politically correct and accepting. But of course I have slip ups too. Just wanted to put it in here in case anyone thinks I'm advocating acts which could be considered offensive ).

My point in trying to explain this is, can both sides be more tolerant of each other? I don't think anyone's purposely trying to offend others. I think it's just a misunderstanding borne out of different backgrounds and cultures. In a way, talking in this forum serves to hopefully open people's eyes that there are povs outside the predominant ones in your country. One side could consider going beyond what's deemed okay in their culture and understand that it's not okay in other cultures. But on the other hand, the other side could become more patient and understanding and see that they're not being offensive for the sake of being offensive, but that it's borne out of societal practices and norms.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with this. Maybe it's not even the general rule but my own inadequate observations. No harm intended at all. Just trying to get another insight into the discussion.[/offtopic]

[adequate duck]

Moderating

I understand that this is a delicate topic, but do not tell other posters what they can or can not post here, or tell them to shut up.

duly noted. i will instead state that i believe judging and speculating on anyone's health based on their looks and our own prejudice is something we should all reconsider sharing.

[malday]

[karma_yeah]

Thanks malday. I just came to say that my thoughts are with the people of Manchester and of the UK. And I hope all of our British IDBers are safe. Love to all of you

[plath]

I'm glad they tweeted, I knew they would but it's weirdly reassuring to hear it? Idk idk

manchester beautiful city, the north WILL GET THROUGH THIS. they have NO idea who they're messing with.

[Elemancy]

I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.

[offtopic]I think the bulk of negative response to these types of conversations-be it about body weight, composition, dietary habits and the like-stems from experiences with "well meaning" fitness advocates speculating on a person's health conditions and needs from a distance when observation alone isn't enough to make a conclusion, especially when those recommendations usually come unsolicited from strangers rather than one's own doctor. Yes, some findings may be rooted in documented facts and may be good guidelines to follow as a general means of keeping tabs on overall health, but just as differential diagnostics are always considered in medicince before treating a patient for one condition over another I think others who aren't trained as a specialist or clinician (or who are and are merely observing someone outside of their own group of patients without any knowledge of medical history, lab reports, etc.) should tread with caution in laying down advice about someone else's health or quality of life standards, no matter if it comes from a genuine place of concern. In many cases people are well aware of their needs and Dan in particular has already spoken about the subject many times including his recent twitter checklist, so I think it's safe to say, in the face of all his efforts to do away with old preconceptions of his personality and established channel branding, he's well aware of himself and is probably gathering motivation to focus on personal goals, fitness included.

There are plenty of speculations made on this forum about stemming from the same rehashed conversations about living arrangements, relationship status, personality traits, etc. and while some topics I give a wide berth to over personal discomfort with them, I see most of these conversations coming about as a natural consequence of watching their videos and having a curiosity about their dynamic and filming environments without making any concrete assumptions or demands. Or that's just how I've percieved the interactions on here so far. Whether it's because their productivity is so lack luster there's nothing else to talk about save their beds or because it's a conversation which would happen regardless if their output increased to a video a day, I think the fitness and health topics strike a more bitter nerve because it seems less about mindless woolgathering and harmless banter and more in line with pushing a public service announcement no one asked for. It's uncomfortable because it supposes a lack of responsibility or awareness on Dan's part and indrectly implies other people in Dan's position of suffering from the same when it comes to their own bodies.
and yes I understand this can be applied for conversations about their work ethic, mind sets and creative approaches when we can't say definitively what's going on personally in their lives to place a stamp on either one of them as being either lazy or proficient, but again, the health topic seems more of a raw point to discuss as there's even less to know about them from a medical standpoint rather than a video we can observe to compare against videos they've made in the past to gauge improvement or if say, the bed really is just a prop made of boxes with a duvet over it.

There seems like a marked difference between the conversations (not taking into account opposing cultural norms and expectations as well) and this might be why there's such a negative response to your post, capybantsa.[/offtopic]

Also: All my thoughts to those in Manchester tonight. This was devastating to hear about. There are no words really..

[thephandommenace]

Thanks malday. I just came to say that my thoughts are with the people of Manchester and of the UK. And I hope all of our British IDBers are safe. Love to all of you

I'm from Manchester and I had plans to go to a concert there this weekend and I'm feeling really shaken right now. I was so scared that people I knew from school would be there. As far as I know only one of my old classmates was there and she got out safe. My thoughts are with the victims and all the people affected by the chaos. Glad tweeted about it. I'm still having heart palpitations. It's so horrible.

[cryptic_phan]

This came out of nowhere, but I didn't see anyone else mention this.

I was rewatching Dan and Phil's moving out video and they point out a bit of green paint on their lounge floor and one of them (I don't remember which) said "I don't know why that would be there" in a hinting tone (if that makes sense). I think it's safe to assume that it had something to do with their secret project they were working on in February. What would they be doing involving paint?

I'm only mentioning it because I haven't seen much speculation about it.

i think they were just refering to the april fools day video. i mean correct me if im wrong but they did use like a whole bottle of green paint and it probably just splattered over there. just a guess tho.

[colickygoat]

Moderating

I didn't say anything about his weight, and I wouldn't, because he's clearly within the normal weight range, so asking him to lose weight would be bad advice. I mentioned his fitness, which has to do with his composition, not weight.

I get that this is an uncomfortable topic for some of you, and you don't have to keep reading, but health is important. Body composition is very indicative of health, and when it comes to visceral fat, if it's visible, it's bad. There's no "well maybe it just looks that way but it's not so bad". It's bad.

Excess visceral fat is highly correlated with things like depression, cancer, and cardiovascular disease, among many others. Most of the negative side effects of having visceral fat can be erased when you get rid of the visceral fat though, especially because he's still relatively young, which is why I think it's important to talk about now instead of waiting until it's already done irreversible damage. There's no shame, only concern. I believe Dan deserves a good quality of life, and having excess visceral fat will make that increasingly harder for him as his life goes on.

no, listen just be quiet about dan's weight/fat. don't hide it in fake concern for his health. you have no idea what his actual health is like and it's between him and his doctor only.
it's not like i'm talking out of my arse here either, i may not be a doctor or a biologist, but i do read enough to not be an ignorant fuck. weight/fat/health correlation is all over the place and very few studies are absolutely 100% free of bias and error. worry about your own weight and health and shut up about other people's.

I understand that this is a delicate topic, but do not tell other posters what they can or can not post here, or tell them to shut up.

In what universe is calling someone an "ignorant fuck" okay? This poor individual has been picked on repeatedly by us "westerners" who seem to deem ourselves morally superior. They have been cursed at several times in the last couple of days. There seems to be some bullying going on here. I'm new here, and I must say I'm appalled - I came here thinking this was a kind and nice place . I think i'll be leaving now....cheers

[ArtyJim]

stopping in real quick to send love and peace to those in manchester and those affected by what's happened tonight. just know you have people all around the world wanting to help.

[onetruetrash]

This came out of nowhere, but I didn't see anyone else mention this.

I was rewatching Dan and Phil's moving out video and they point out a bit of green paint on their lounge floor and one of them (I don't remember which) said "I don't know why that would be there" in a hinting tone (if that makes sense). I think it's safe to assume that it had something to do with their secret project they were working on in February. What would they be doing involving paint?

I'm only mentioning it because I haven't seen much speculation about it.

i think they were just refering to the april fools day video. i mean correct me if im wrong but they did use like a whole bottle of green paint and it probably just splattered over there. just a guess tho.

I realize that now! I can't believe I didn't think of that. lol

I also want to send my love to the people in Manchester. This is so tragic.

[capybantsa]

I don't want to argue, but I'd just like to point out that I was recently berated because people thought I wanted others to silence themselves to protect my feelings. Now, I'm berated because I'm not silencing myself to protect others' feelings. Is it bad to silence people, or is it good? The world may never know


In all seriousness, you are not forced to participate in or even read a conversation that makes you uncomfortable. I ignore all of the talk about fanfiction because RPF makes me uncomfortable, and though I voiced that opinion, I haven't asked anybody to stop talking about it.

Health is an important topic, especially given the health crises going on in much of the first world. In my own country the rates of anorexia and bulimia are skyrocketing because there's a taboo on talking about the dangers of being underweight, and now 1 in 3 women in my generation are underweight and most of them don't even realize it's unhealthy. Even worse, the average body fat percentage is in the obese range even though people are thin. It's a mess, and it's because it's against social convention to talk about it.

So, with that in mind I will not censor my concerns about their health, and I will continue to try only to be encouraging and not shameful with my words. I will respect if you disagree, as I have done from the start, and I will respect if you choose to ignore the subject entirely.

Fair?




PS that's awful about Manchester, I hope the injured recover well

[secretagentphan]

I'm not telling anyone what to do, but making assumptions about people's health and lifestyle based on appearance rubs me the wrong way. It reminds me of all the comments harassing Eugina Cooney (I hope I spelled her name right lol) as if that would help her at all if she had anorexia. Someone appearing to be in better shape than Dan could be much less healthy, it's all based on metabolisms and things that people can't know just from looking at people. To me people saying they're only concerned for their healthy is usually bull.

I actually just went to a concert with my boyfriend where the lead singer has Marfan Syndrome and suffers from a lot of health issues because of it. Even though everyone there was a fan of him, a lot of people were ignorant to why he looked like that and I heard the rudest heckles (someone literally called him a skeleton and he could definitely hear). So idk I just kind of thought about this while reading that post about Dan's body and it reminded me about how much I hate assumptions like that. I know nothing we talk about here is our business but that REALLY isn't to me. Especially because we know he's insecure.

My prayers are with the victims in Manchester.

[cryptic_phan]

id like to just say my thoughts and prayers go out to all the people effected by the mancester event that happened earlier .

[Elemancy]

In all seriousness, you are not forced to participate in or even read a conversation that makes you uncomfortable. I ignore all of the talk about fanfiction because RPF makes me uncomfortable, and though I voiced that opinion, I haven't asked anybody to stop talking about it.

Health is an important topic, especially given the health crises going on in much of the first world. In my own country the rates of anorexia and bulimia are skyrocketing because there's a taboo on talking about the dangers of being underweight, and now 1 in 3 women in my generation are underweight and most of them don't even realize it's unhealthy. Even worse, the average body fat percentage is in the obese range even though people are thin. It's a mess, and it's because it's against social convention to talk about it.

So, with that in mind I will not censor my concerns about their health, and I will continue to try only to be encouraging and not shameful with my words. I will respect if you disagree, as I have done from the start, and I will respect if you choose to ignore the subject entirely.

Fair?

...In general, raising awareness about various medical concerns usually is most effective when raised in connection with a campaign or seminar with a broader social outreach featuring better, more well rounded research and discussions that's not isolated to posts on a gossip forum cherrypicking idle observations focused on one individual. But if IDB is your gateway to the fitness revolution then have at it I guess.