Dan & Phil Part 47: Do it with Dan!

apathy · Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:45 pm

Video thoughts:

The angle or lens or something is slightly different? Especially at the beginning, I don't think we saw the other bedside table before. It maybe makes the room look a bit less tiny? Still small, but helps.

I appreciate "sexy internet dating" guinea pig in the background, I'm going to assume it was an intentional choice since it wasn't there before.

Why is the pixel Phil sticker on his laptop so faded? -10 product placement points.

Can't imagine Dan was in the room, they've talked about how they usually banish each other far way when filming. Also I think it would've made him laugh/blush more. But who knows.

He starts off with flirting being something he did for fun "out of boredom" like it wasn't at all serious, and then reacts to the emails as if they were completely genuine. Although as someone a few years older who hung around a few chatrooms as a teen, there was sometimes that dual feeling of "lol this is silly we're all just pretending" and also "please like me D:" at the same time.

And I appreciate his reference to insecurity, because the internet was the first place that shy/insecure people could "reinvent" themselves and not be judged on what they looked like or sounded like or whatever other stupid criteria people use. That was a huge appeal to me (still is), and I do wonder if it was similar for him.

pastelspectre · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:13 am

yo i loved phil's new video! i found it hilarious and i cringed, but in like..a laughing/joking kind of way lmao. also when i was 13 i did some dumb stuff that i won't mention but..i was dumb, and pretended to be people that i wasn't and uh. yeah. i dunno.

i did think phil was talking to dan, esp around that 1:30-1:33 part

alsoapartofmestillbelievescherrybombisdan

dontpanic · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:25 am

That's prob my favorite Phil video in a really long time, his reactions were hilarious. Those messages are literally the perfect example of early-2000s tween and teen internet-ing. for some reason the line about buffy was my favorite part? usually all buffy/sarah michelle gellar mentions are such a but it reminded me that before buffy became part of his amazingphil 'persona' he was just a super passionate kid who had a bunch of framed sarah MG posters in his room and made fan edits and who's dad drew a picture of buffy for him.

I think it's just because all of his buffy mentions usually feel so fake, it's a bit adorable remembering there was something that got tween/teen phil so excited he got broken up with by the catfisher he was catfishing

sugar · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:31 am

i thought this video was pretty funny! definitely made me laugh. to anyone worried about the cringe factor, i think it's more of a cringe for phil, as the person who wrote it, than the viewers. as someone who suffers from very extreme secondhand embarrassment i found it more funny than anything else.

when i first opened it, though, i was genuinely terrified to watch it. i saw that it was an ad for tinder and immediately thought it was going to be about him using tinder and i was like please no i thought we were past this. pleasantly surprised though!

re: phil's room: i see that he changed the angle up a bit to make the room seem bigger but i'm still not buying it, for a number of reasons. one of these reasons being the size of the lounge that we've seen in pictures. and the fact that that isn't the only lounge. i just can't see them having such a nice, modern spacious, apartment, that they moved into in order to have more space, and then phil getting a room like half the size as he had before. i'm sorry, i know i mention it every time, and i probably will continue to because it just kinda of laughable to me at this point.

re: real emails or not: i didn't get any impression of the way he was speaking being fake or fabricated in any way. i'm over half a decade younger than phil but i have been on the internet for over half my life and the way he speaks seems to be pretty standard for being an embarrassing teenager on the internet.

dontpanic · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:42 am

xaephan · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:49 am

Aw man, I couldn't watch this video even though I tried twice. The second-hand embarrassment got too much

From the little I did see though, Phil looks great! The camera angle is better (or maybe a different lens?) so it doesn't look uncomfortably close to his face any more.

I was so shocked at first when I saw the text about this being a paid promo for tinder...because I got it confused with grindr. I was in sheer disbelief until I googled it and realized my mistake. Has Phil done a lot of non-gaming paid promos? I can't remember seeing any on his channel, but maybe he privated them? Interesting to see a video targeting at people older than his usual audience though.

Phantasy · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:51 am

I enjoyed the video, I thought it was humorously self-deprecating and the right amount of cringe—though, lets be honest, Phil needing Tinder is like a snowflake needing a blanket. And while the non-gender specific reference to "people" is appreciated, part of me is still left with the feeling that Phil is contributing to his own form of bi-erasure. I mean if any casual viewer watches this, I'd imagine that they would be left with no indication whatsoever to believe that Phil was and is anything but a heterosexual male.

I know Phil isn't at all as glass-closet as Dan, which is fine, but, c'mon, for a video promoting an 18+ dating app it seems to me like a bit of a missed opportunity to not at least allude that grown up Phil's orientation may be a bit more fluid than when he was 12.

(Maybe the saving grace would be a part 2 where he reveals some of the 'people' Snowdude would chat up were other lads)

malday · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:57 am

Phantasy wrote: I know Phil isn't at all as glass-closet as Dan, which is fine, but, c'mon, for a video promoting an 18+ dating app it seems to me like a bit of a missed opportunity to not at least allude that grown up Phil's orientation may be a bit more fluid than when he was 12.

(Maybe the saving grace would be a part 2 where he reveals some of the 'people' Snowdude would chat up were other lads)

He can do that when he gets the Grindr spon!

Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:25 am

Phantasy wrote:I enjoyed the video, I thought it was humorously self-deprecating and the right amount of cringe—though, lets be honest, Phil needing Tinder is like a snowflake needing a blanket. And while the non-gender specific reference to "people" is appreciated, part of me is still left with the feeling that Phil is contributing to his own form of bi-erasure. I mean if any casual viewer watches this, I'd imagine that they would be left with no indication whatsoever to believe that Phil was and is anything but a heterosexual male.

I know Phil isn't at all as glass-closet as Dan, which is fine, but, c'mon, for a video promoting an 18+ dating app it seems to me like a bit of a missed opportunity to not at least allude that grown up Phil's orientation may be a bit more fluid than when he was 12.

(Maybe the saving grace would be a part 2 where he reveals some of the 'people' Snowdude would chat up were other lads)

Do we even know if Tinder would have approved a male-oriented video? They shot down Tomska's idea, which was pretty non-straight. If they're trying to get the most access for their money, they might have given Phil guidelines.

And do we need more proof that young Phil's orientation was fluid? We got that in Mark of Oxin with a 14 year old Phil writing in a m/f/m threesome. The gender neutral 'people' mention was pleasing enough to me.

And both of those points aside, a person with prior female interests telling a story about a prior female interest is not bi-erasure, it's just someone recounting his actual experiences.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:41 am

sugar · Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:58 am

alittledizzy wrote:
Phantasy wrote:I enjoyed the video, I thought it was humorously self-deprecating and the right amount of cringe—though, lets be honest, Phil needing Tinder is like a snowflake needing a blanket. And while the non-gender specific reference to "people" is appreciated, part of me is still left with the feeling that Phil is contributing to his own form of bi-erasure. I mean if any casual viewer watches this, I'd imagine that they would be left with no indication whatsoever to believe that Phil was and is anything but a heterosexual male.

I know Phil isn't at all as glass-closet as Dan, which is fine, but, c'mon, for a video promoting an 18+ dating app it seems to me like a bit of a missed opportunity to not at least allude that grown up Phil's orientation may be a bit more fluid than when he was 12.

(Maybe the saving grace would be a part 2 where he reveals some of the 'people' Snowdude would chat up were other lads)
Do we even know if Tinder would have approved a male-oriented video? They shot down Tomska's idea, which was pretty non-straight. If they're trying to get the most access for their money, they might have given Phil guidelines.

And do we need more proof that young Phil's orientation was fluid? We got that in Mark of Oxin with a 14 year old Phil writing in a m/f/m threesome. The gender neutral 'people' mention was pleasing enough to me.

And both of those points aside, a person with prior female interests telling a story about a prior female interest is not bi-erasure, it's just someone recounting his actual experiences.

imo, disappointment in phil making female attraction mentions and talking about a past female interests/wanting it all to be about men or gender neutral mentions is what seems more like bi-erasure to me.

also, phantasy, to your comment about casual viewers not having any indication that he's anything but a heterosexual male: i don't think his aim with this video was to leave viewers with a deeper knowledge of his sexuality. he chose this girl as the one this video would be based on, and that's that. that was the point of the video. i've only ever had irl relationships with men but when talking about them i don't feel the need to also fit in that i'm attracted to women and people that don't fall in the gender binary. i'm just telling a story about my ex.

and feeling that him talking about being interested in women in the past has to mean he is straight is kind of bi-erasure in my eyes. because part of his being bi, if he is, is attraction to women. him not saying that he is attracted to men or including emails with a guy in this video doesn't mean that he was trying to come across as straight.

i think this is a common problem, especially in the phandom. i get the feeling that everyone wants everything that they do to be 'gay' or it's fake. i think people see them mentioning attraction to women as a step backwards when it really isn't. it's just one facet of their identities. so i didn't have a problem with this in this video at all.

000dia000 · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:14 am

To be quite honest, seeing the title of the video and the mention of the word "AD" I was terrified-mostly due to how this video would be received by you guys here. However I think we can mostly agree that the video (while cringey) was funny. I peraonally just really loved Phil's behaviour in this? There were so few jump cuts and he just seemed so natural and his real self. For the purpose and context of the video, he seemed to drop his persona and show his true (kinda aged-fuckboy) self, and it was glorious. This is the kind of video I've been waiting for, and I'm glad Phil has delivered. He was so smiley and giggly and while I found the messages to be hilarious, Phil's commentary and genuine laughter really sold it for me.

Jumping on Phil purposefully bi-erasing himself....well, yes, I do believe he does, at the same time he does what he himself is comfortable with. Yet, we can read between the lines of his implication with "people" and the possibility of future chat logs videos. Phil doesn't need to necessarily be blatantly clear with his "bisexuality" (disclaimer: if he is), and the amount he is comfortable sharing is the kind that maybe heternormative people would not pick up on. Otherwise, those who can pick up on "people", even being a casual and not knowing Phil's history could be about it. I don't think Phil wants to make a large statement, he doesn't want attention. He probably likes the thrill of making subtleties that those who look for it can see, otherwise why should he say who he's attracted to? Likewise, he may have only persued women online in these years and may not have the various bisexual content we crave, instead Phil must provide from his horrible horrible strict hetero days (jk)

He does understate his bisexuality (disclaimer) and while he doesn't discuss it, he doesn't dismiss it entirely. This video was a blessing, give him time, maybe he'll even reveal some chat log someday from some hot surfer dude from California. Phil surprises us, when the time is right, he'll provide.

droopy · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:14 am

This was one of the funniest videos I've seen from both of them in a while. My opinion on the cringe factor is that the subject matter was fundamentally "cringey" (being younger-self dating logs and all), but Phil and the video itself were not cringey at all. So, for me, that just made it funny.

I'll be honest - I've been trying to decide for a while which D&P video to share with my family while I'm home for the summer, but since their content isn't really my family's type of entertainment, I've been a bit hard-pressed. However, I think this video might actually be the one to show them. Either that or his gym story. It's a shame I've had trouble finding one with both of them, or one of Dan's to share alongside Phil's. (His #relatable content is, ironically, not relatable for my family at all.)

Grey · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:45 am

000dia000 wrote:To be quite honest, seeing the title of the video and the mention of the word "AD" I was terrified-mostly due to how this video would be received by you guys here.

This was my first thought too. Everyone has been so happy with how D&P have been acting lately and then Phil goes and posts a video advertising a dating app? Ohhhh lord. I was expecting it to be like that O2 video too. Glad it wasn't. Lol.

I'm on the fence about if I think his messages were real or not.
1. Do email servers actually send out messages saying they'll delete your account if you don't log in? I thought that was a phishing attempt or something.
2. How the hell did he remember his password to it?
3. Omitting the girl's messages could have been because he couldn't be bothered to make up that many more messages and didn't think he could make them sound different enough ORRR it could be because they were real and he actually didn't want to expose her.
Hmm... either way, I laughed.

Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:57 am

In all honesty, I found Phil's video boring. The only remotely entertaining part of it at all is how he managed to turn a Tinder #spon into another "why I was a weird kid" type thing without so much as attempting to connect the app he was promoting to himself.

I mean, obviously, I'm not sad about it. It speaks volumes without him saying a word. If anything, I'm mad at whatever Tinder marketing manager let this crap slide. Does the size and engagement of the audience really outweigh the demographics?

The video just felt like it was a bit in limbo. Because Tinder does not fit the AmazingPhil brand (as it is now) at all imho. So it was awkward... and not in the way he wanted it to be. I just can't picture an 18+ person being like "lol you're right. our awkward teenage chat-up years were terrible. maybe this tinder you have not elaborated on at all will be better!" (pro-tip: it's not. it's the worst. phil suggesting it's a nice upgrade from previous online dating options made me puke in my mouth a bit.)

Good for him on probably making a metric fuck-ton of money on this sub-par "content". And I guess it's nice to have a definitive example of him growing out of that old-school lying phase. I don't plan on rewatching this unless I need an immediate nap.

Phantasy · Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:33 am

awsugar wrote:
alittledizzy wrote:
Phantasy wrote:I enjoyed the video, I thought it was humorously self-deprecating and the right amount of cringe—though, lets be honest, Phil needing Tinder is like a snowflake needing a blanket. And while the non-gender specific reference to "people" is appreciated, part of me is still left with the feeling that Phil is contributing to his own form of bi-erasure. I mean if any casual viewer watches this, I'd imagine that they would be left with no indication whatsoever to believe that Phil was and is anything but a heterosexual male.

I know Phil isn't at all as glass-closet as Dan, which is fine, but, c'mon, for a video promoting an 18+ dating app it seems to me like a bit of a missed opportunity to not at least allude that grown up Phil's orientation may be a bit more fluid than when he was 12.

(Maybe the saving grace would be a part 2 where he reveals some of the 'people' Snowdude would chat up were other lads)
Do we even know if Tinder would have approved a male-oriented video? They shot down Tomska's idea, which was pretty non-straight. If they're trying to get the most access for their money, they might have given Phil guidelines.

And do we need more proof that young Phil's orientation was fluid? We got that in Mark of Oxin with a 14 year old Phil writing in a m/f/m threesome. The gender neutral 'people' mention was pleasing enough to me.

And both of those points aside, a person with prior female interests telling a story about a prior female interest is not bi-erasure, it's just someone recounting his actual experiences.

imo, disappointment in phil making female attraction mentions and talking about a past female interests/wanting it all to be about men or gender neutral mentions is what seems more like bi-erasure to me.

also, phantasy, to your comment about casual viewers not having any indication that he's anything but a heterosexual male: i don't think his aim with this video was to leave viewers with a deeper knowledge of his sexuality. he chose this girl as the one this video would be based on, and that's that. that was the point of the video. i've only ever had irl relationships with men but when talking about them i don't feel the need to also fit in that i'm attracted to women and people that don't fall in the gender binary. i'm just telling a story about my ex.

and feeling that him talking about being interested in women in the past has to mean he is straight is kind of bi-erasure in my eyes. because part of his being bi, if he is, is attraction to women. him not saying that he is attracted to men or including emails with a guy in this video doesn't mean that he was trying to come across as straight.

i think this is a common problem, especially in the phandom. i get the feeling that everyone wants everything that they do to be 'gay' or it's fake. i think people see them mentioning attraction to women as a step backwards when it really isn't. it's just one facet of their identities. so i didn't have a problem with this in this video at all.

Fair rebuttal and argument well received, but the crux of my point wasn't the fact it was a girl he corresponded with way back when and therefore by the laws of bi-identity he must balance the scale with male attraction mentions; it was given the context of the video as spon for an adult dating app, perhaps there should be a bit (just a bit) of transparency that adult Phil is, by most reckoning, in a committed relationship with his male partner of 8 years and has otherwise stated that although he doesn't like labels, he is indeed bi and has in all likelyhood never seriously used previously or have a need now for a dating app—omission outright just leaves me with a somewhat disingenuous after-taste.

Had this been just another video like his old MSN messages, then the context would have been different and I'd agree he is under no presumed obligation whatsoever to interject his sexuality or balance male mentions for every female mention or make any hint one way or another. Again, to me it felt like a missed and easy opportunity—if he's going to allow adult-only app sponsors, then perhaps he should approach the audience with a bit less coyness and obfuscation (intention or otherwise).

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:20 am

I don't think anyone is ever under any obligation to state their sexuality, certainly not for public consumption. it is a private aspect of a person's life and it's up to them to decide what they feel comfortable sharing and with whom.

Being bisexual doesn't mean an equal balance of attraction or of experience. It's entirely possible that Phil is more often attracted to women, so he has more stories about them. It's also possible that when he was younger he wasn't comfortable enough with his attraction to men to act on those feelings so he doesn't have any stories to tell. For all we know, Phil's only actually experience with a man is with Dan so, to him, exposing that part of his sexuality is to expose something he wants to keep protected and private. There's also a very slight possibility that Phil actually does identify as straight, despite what he's said in the past. We honestly don't know.

In general, I think neither Dan nor Phil have any desire to be bi role models or bi icons or however you'd like to put it. it's interesting how they've been sort of thrust into that role, like people wanting them to be representation because they'd be great representation, a great example of healthy love to look up to.

honestly, i think if anyone is going to straight up talk about their bisexuality, it's going to be dan. phil is incredibly private and imo doesn't share anything that he finds particularly personally meaningful (which i don't see as a bad thing necessarily)

autumnhearth · Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:42 am

I got the notification for this video just as I was about to head out to a birthday party for my son's school friend. I was a bit bewildered and worried, but I chatted with a couple friends who had seen it, and skimmed here at the party and then mostly got distracted by the news that we could have had a 'Rejects' sequel (I had just shown that to the husband last night and he loved it). I'm seriously bummed.

After the kiddo was in bed (that is one AP video I wouldn't want to share with him) I sat down to watch the new video with the husband, who was absolutely dying of laughter. I had to pause the video several times for him to recover from his fits. I was amused and enjoyed Phil's reactions to his past self, he was embarrassed but mature. I also liked that he admitted to being ginger (in the summer). I feel like he's denied this several times, even when photographic evidence is present.

As for the spon/sexuality thing, it feels like you guys have already covered every angle/reaction, but why not add my thoughts/feelings. It was definitely an AmazingPhil video, looking back on younger Phil, just as the reading his diary, chat logs and various childhood anecdotes have. This was just one single story that does not in any way reflect Phil of the last decade. Yes all of his failed romance stories have been about girls, but *shrug*. Phil might not have any cute/awkward stories about boys because he might not have dated/hooked up with guys until he was a young adult at which point the experiences would not have made an appropriate AmazingPhil story.

I don't think there was any need to talk about his current sexuality/relationship (how would he even work that in and when has he ever *wanted* to do that?). I am just glad he didn't allude to being single. So really it comes down to why even do the spon at all? Like rizzo I am torn between being impressed that he made it work for his channel and feeling it's not at all an appropriate spon for his audience, though I didn't find the video itself boring or inappropriate, just the plug.

Whommel · Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:54 am

Grey wrote: 1. Do email servers actually send out messages saying they'll delete your account if you don't log in? I thought that was a phishing attempt or something.
2. How the hell did he remember his password to it?

De-lurking to answer this. Hi.

My old Hotmail has done this so many times over the years. And I've managed to retrieve my password when I couldn't remember. So this seems genuine to me.

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:58 am

autumnhearth wrote:
I don't think there was any need to talk about his current sexuality/relationship (how would he even work that in and when has he ever *wanted* to do that?). I am just glad he didn't allude to being single. So really it comes down to why even do the spon at all? Like rizzo I am torn between being impressed that he made it work for his channel and feeling it's not at all an appropriate spon for his audience, though I didn't find the video itself boring or inappropriate, just the plug.

you know this makes me wonder how much phil knows about tinder. i mean maybe he agreed to do it without thinking too much about it being 18+ and the hookup culture that's on tinder. like i've seen a lot of people upset about the tinder spon and i didn't think anything of it because i haven't ever internet dated and don't really know much about why it would be so inappropriate. Phil could be in a similar boat. that's really all just total conjecture though.

(if i was a youtuber i'd have a really hard time not taking any spot that came my way, unless i knew it was really problematic, so i'm always just like getting that money )

human · Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:25 am

In my opinion, the clear only reason for Phil to have taken this spon is to illustrate his content is gaining maturity. He's 30 and doesn't want to make videos aimed at kids forever, nor does he want to ignore the fact he has adult experiences. I enjoyed it and thought it was pretty cute, if it's real (or tbh I don't suppose it matters if it is or isn't, still funny), and it instantly struck me it was there to slowly steer his channel's direction. As well as bring in a bit of the dollah. Moving home is expensive yo.

And I am so onboard for mature!Phil-era. Yas Phil yas!

captainspacecoat · Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:44 am

I finally managed to watch the video and it actually wasn't as cringy as I'd built it up to be in my mind. Not one of my fave Phil videos ever, but still quite funny.

re: bisexuality - I don't think this video says anything at all about his sexuality. Given that he was presumably very young when he sent those emails (I'm guessing around 14-16 maybe?), it's likely he didn't identify as bi yet at that point (obvs assuming he is bi, he may not be yada yada yada) and/or may genuinely have only had experience with girls. Speaking from experience, I didn't come to terms with my sexuality until I was 20, and I think that's quite a common experience for a lot of people, especially for people who aren't strictly attracted to one gender. I don't think it's possible to erase your own sexuality, Phil's just sharing a specific example of the emails he sent as a young teenager - they just happened to be to a girl.

Also agree with others who've said that Phil has always been very personal when it comes to sexuality, and while it's evident that he is opening up a bit and undoubtedly alludes to male attraction from time to time I still can't see him explicitly implying that he's not straight on his main channel to the extent that he would admit to having sent romantic emails to guys (whether he actually did do that or not).

re: Tinder spon - I have to agree with rizzo that it's slightly bizarre to me that a) tinder approached Phil for a video and that b) Phil took them up on the offer. It doesn't really fit with his channel (and I'm someone who would love for Phil to break free from the restrictions of the AmazingPhil persona sometimes, and take his channel in a more mature direction), and the brand itself feels like a bit of an afterthought tacked onto a normal AmazingPhil video. Also there's the fact that it's an 18+ app, and that while I'm sure tinder can be a great experience for some people it's definitely not without its flaws, and I wouldn't really say it's a giant leap up from the sort of dating websites people used in the 00s.

It's also just so obvious that Tinder is not something Phil has ever used or plans on using, so it seems like a bit of a sell-out? Like usually dnp's spons are at least somewhat purposeful or genuine - Monster Legends/Dragon Land/World Chef and Crunchyroll sponsored the tour (+ they genuinely love anime), best fiends was for charity etc. Who knows, I probably just feel so negatively about it because I'm in a bad mood, and in the grand scheme of things I don't actually care that deeply about this. Just think it's a strange choice of a spon vid, tbh

droopy · Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:46 am

human wrote:In my opinion, the clear only reason for Phil to have taken this spon is to illustrate his content is gaining maturity. He's 30 and doesn't want to make videos aimed at kids forever, nor does he want to ignore the fact he has adult experiences. I enjoyed it and thought it was pretty cute, if it's real (or tbh I don't suppose it matters if it is or isn't, still funny), and it instantly struck me it was there to slowly steer his channel's direction. As well as bring in a bit of the dollah. Moving home is expensive yo.

And I am so onboard for mature!Phil-era. Yas Phil yas!

I agree with all of this. Phil definitely seems like the type who would make the shift in content subtly, as opposed to making an announcement and changing everything overnight (not throwing any shade Dan's way, promise!). It's a lowkey, drama-free, and low-stakes method, which seems right up his alley. Plus, I'm not even sure what that kind of announcement would look like, haha.

And yes, I for one welcome our mature!Phil overlord.

papierklemmen · Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:00 am

i'm more confused at the idea of someone so private about their personal life doing an ad for tinder than anything. you do you, mate, but i feel like it's more genuine when it comes from youtubers who are open about dating & actually using tinder. not that i enjoyed those ads but at least they were understandable. w/e. the mesh of phil as a weird kid and tinder ad is something else.

[offtopic]speaking of sexualities, thomas sanders confirmed he's gay in his latest video. i remember he & his (bf?)friend were sometimes compared to deppy but i guess at the time everyone thought thomas was bisexual.
he says a lot of the confusion about his sexuality came from the fact that he would make vines about being bisexual & about gay and he never thought it was relevant to his comedy so he wanted to switch it around but he thinks he should have been clearer.
oops @ me, i really did think he was bi!

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readingmama · Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:01 am

Post Posted by human » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:25 pm
In my opinion, the clear only reason for Phil to have taken this spon is to illustrate his content is gaining maturity. He's 30 and doesn't want to make videos aimed at kids forever, nor does he want to ignore the fact he has adult experiences. I enjoyed it and thought it was pretty cute, if it's real (or tbh I don't suppose it matters if it is or isn't, still funny), and it instantly struck me it was there to slowly steer his channel's direction. As well as bring in a bit of the dollah. Moving home is expensive yo.

And I am so onboard for mature!Phil-era. Yas Phil yas!

I agree with all this!

I must admit I cringed when I got the notification for this video but congrats to Phil for making a fairly funny spon video that manages to both be familiar and yet push into grown-up territory. I find that, despite Dan being the one to loudly and visibly proclaim re-branding, it seems like Phil is the one whose content has changed the most. I think that Dan really wanted to shake the associations he was carrying from his earlier days and needed to be vocal about that for it to sink in and Phil just wants to be more age appropriate and show his perspective a bit little more honestly. 30 really is treating him well these days and I'm really curious to see what's next for post-baking world Phil! And Dan( who still seems a little unsure of what the heck he actually wants to be!)