Dan & Phil Part 52: And They Were Roommates

[flarequake]

Alongside Deppy maybe the biggest names at SITC are TomSka and Dodie, and would've been The Hillywood Show this year but they had to cancel so now we can't compare. Tom, like Deps' merch stand, has a huge queue for merch and for meeting him by his merch stand, but all is calm there and for panels as far as I can tell. I know last year the filmmaking panel with KickthePJ filled the 1000-seater room with some people not able to get in, but the queue was calm. Emma Blackery also gets a massive cheer when she comes onstage, but still calm. It seems the prospect of seeing Dan and Phil sends some people a bit wild.

[sparkle]

Alongside Deppy maybe the biggest names at SITC are TomSka and Dodie, and would've been The Hillywood Show this year but they had to cancel so now we can't compare. Tom, like Deps' merch stand, has a huge queue for merch and for meeting him by his merch stand, but all is calm there and for panels as far as I can tell. I know last year the filmmaking panel with KickthePJ filled the 1000-seater room with some people not able to get in, but the queue was calm. Emma Blackery also gets a massive cheer when she comes onstage, but still calm. It seems the prospect of seeing Dan and Phil sends some people a bit wild.

I met Tom at Comic Con in 2014 and even though he had a large queue it was still fairly chill? The merch queue was VERY big but apart from that it wasn't like 'OH MY GOD' and even Toms panel most people weren't screaming for - it was just really chilled out. Which is something I don't really associated with D&P fans

[Elyanie]

Also:
[offtopic]Nobody cares, but the thread name reminds me of this iconic vine

[/offtopic]

Thank you for bringing this up I literally thought the exact same thing

[alittledizzy]

Furry Phil rise - he liked this person's response to him on twitter.

[mermaid blood]

I feel like people aren't acknowledging this enough.

Dan:you know dan and phil, they like to have the raw, naked, experience. They just like to go in. Bare.

Same! How is this not talked about more.

I noticed. I thought, waaahey, hello sailor, just telling viewers your sex preferences as a couple
Phil didn't seem bothered though, lol.

No liveshow this week and also no Dan liveshow next week, huh? well well well. watchu up to boys... (aside from moribund carousel rides)

Furry Phil rise - he liked this person's response to him on twitter.

FUCK. YES.

ahem...sorry seemed to have had an outburst there..

[pilotlight]

[offtopic]

(aside from moribund carousel rides)

Oh cool, I finally found a name for my darkwave Melanie Martinez cover band.[/offtopic]

[human]

Alongside Deppy maybe the biggest names at SITC are TomSka and Dodie, and would've been The Hillywood Show this year but they had to cancel so now we can't compare. Tom, like Deps' merch stand, has a huge queue for merch and for meeting him by his merch stand, but all is calm there and for panels as far as I can tell. I know last year the filmmaking panel with KickthePJ filled the 1000-seater room with some people not able to get in, but the queue was calm. Emma Blackery also gets a massive cheer when she comes onstage, but still calm. It seems the prospect of seeing Dan and Phil sends some people a bit wild.

Have fun!!! Sorry I couldn't come meet you there this year

Keep us posted if anything fun happens, I thought Deppy might have been up for an award on the main stage later although they obis won't be there to collect it haha.

[LtrllySusan]

My sleepy brain came up with another silly side theory related to #PhanWedding yesterday.
So, Phil joined a gym at the start of the year, had the incident and stopped going. But recently, he said in a LS that he started going again, and Dan told that story about the noise complaint from the neighbour when he was doing exercise running on the spot.

Now, aside from the usual New Year's resolution, when do people really wanna be fit? Perhaps... on a day that they'll have lots of photos taken that they will look at for the rest of their lives?

[relatablemood]

[offtopic]So, I'm doing this video that's a visual representation of the 2009, 2012 and 2015 theory. You know, that theory back in the day that they were togethe inr 2009, broke up in 2012 and got back together in 2015. Obviously that's been debunked and stuff but I thought it'd be fun to make nonetheless with clips and screenshots that painted this timeline for a bunch of people. I've already finished the 2009 part. BUT I was wondering two things

1. I know thephandirectory isn't reliable in terms of the context it gives but are the screenshots themselves reliable? Or have some of them been found to be manips?

2. If I used snippets + audio from

that video

, would that come under fire? Would the video possibly be removed by Phil? Is it worth removing a crucial part of the theory as well as some clips of unlisted videos to appease people?

Thank you Also, I'm sorry if I messed up and this belonged in another thread.[/offtopic]

[Birdie]

[offtopic]I'm not really sure what exactly you're doing there but I'd say don't use anything deppy don't want online anymore, especially not that video. I guess you can still mention it but I don't think it would be a good idea to actually show samples of stuff like that, not only because other fans might not like it but also because I think it's somehow disrespectful to deppy themselves. Like, if they've said they don't want certain videos or images spread, don't spread them, no matter what you're spreading them for. I'm pretty sure it's possible to make a theory video like that and to reference the controversial stuff without actually showing the controversial stuff and giving other fans access to it when deppy have made clear they don't want that, idk.[/offtopic]

[relatablemood]

[offtopic]Yeah I think you're right on that one. I think I'll probably keep whatever theory video I make to myself and my friends, not uploaded to YouTube etc. It was just an idea I had since I saw a few others do similar 'journeys' of Dan and Phil with screenshots and that video audio/visual included which made me want to do my own with a different take on it (because where theirs showed the largely accepted timeline whereby Dan and Phil, if together, have been so all this time, I wanted to do one with a different timeline). Just me being annoying tho Won't bring it up again![/offtopic]

[fancybum]

I'm bored and I still haven't watched the Dream Daddy vid but I'm looking forward to picking a side in the 'uncomfortable/sarcastic mood vs. totally normal mood' divide. And the 'baiting convo is always a mess BUT, just for fun, could the people who genuinely think they intentionally 'play up' [things] for purposes of servicing the audience give examples of what that means? Like do you think they're overdoing eye-contact to encourage more gifs or something? And (in the hypothetical scenario where that's happening and it's a bad/questionable thing -edit: actually it doesn't even need to be a negative thing, just a Palpable Thing to you) what should they be doing to be actually 'normal' (as in: not playing anything up)? No touching, no eye contact, less laughter, or is it something else entirely that's being considered as heightened fanservice that I'm not grasping.

(not picking a fight, just bored and curious and it's dead here anyway, pls pls )

[Birdie]

BUT, just for fun, could the people who genuinely think they intentionally 'play up' [things] for purposes of servicing the audience give examples of what that means? Like do you think they're overdoing eye-contact to encourage more gifs or something? And (in the hypothetical scenario where that's happening and it's a bad/questionable thing -edit: actually it doesn't even need to be a negative thing, just a Palpable Thing to you) what should they be doing to be actually 'normal' (as in: not playing anything up)? No touching, no eye contact, less laughter, or is it something else entirely that's being considered as heightened fanservice that I'm not grasping

I'd like to know the same things actually! Like, what is it about deppy's behaviour that makes people/you think they're playing up their relationship or are even shipbaiting and what would you want them to do differently? (Also not picking a fight, I just think that's an interesting question. I have no idea what exactly shipbaiting even is.)

[Whommel]

I'm bored and I still haven't watched the Dream Daddy vid but I'm looking forward to picking a side in the 'uncomfortable/sarcastic mood vs. totally normal mood' divide. And the 'baiting convo is always a mess BUT, just for fun, could the people who genuinely think they intentionally 'play up' [things] for purposes of servicing the audience give examples of what that means? Like do you think they're overdoing eye-contact to encourage more gifs or something? And (in the hypothetical scenario where that's happening and it's a bad/questionable thing -edit: actually it doesn't even need to be a negative thing, just a Palpable Thing to you) what should they be doing to be actually 'normal' (as in: not playing anything up)? No touching, no eye contact, less laughter, or is it something else entirely that's being considered as heightened fanservice that I'm not grasping.

(not picking a fight, just bored and curious and it's dead here anyway, pls pls )

I'm personally completely unable to see any baiting. All I see is how they've gone out of their way to appear to not be together. In the three-legged DDR challenge, they don't hold hands or link their arms together although that would be what all other two people in the world would do for support during a challenge like that. I think that speaks volumes about how scared they've been.

They don't even hug, even if there's cause for celebration and they don't shy away from hugging anyone else. It's only each other they never hug.

It's so lovely to see them relax more, the latest Sims video was such a joy to watch.

[ijustwantdeath]

does anyone have any opinions on the Cultural Appropriation/Japanese text on their merch discourse that's happening on tumblr right now?

[sparkle]

does anyone have any opinions on the Cultural Appropriation/Japanese text on their merch discourse that's happening on tumblr right now?

Can you link to it or summaries? I don't have tumblr but I do have fairly strong opinions on cultural appropriation

[confusedpanda]

does anyone have any opinions on the Cultural Appropriation/Japanese text on their merch discourse that's happening on tumblr right now?

This was a big discourse on here when the merch came out about two weeks ago. I'm not sure why Tumblr is having the discourse about it now And not when it first came out. Why did tumblr people wait so long to have this important discourse? Anyways, most idb's thoughts on this matter start here http://indepthbants.com/topic893-600.html#p64779 they also pick up a few pages later after the merch officially came out.

[ijustwantdeath]

I'm not sure why Tumblr is having the discourse about it now And not when it first came out. Why did tumblr people wait so long to have this important discourse?

because this was brought on again by dan's recent comments about the monolid eyes being "snek-like" in the Dream Daddy video.

also thank you for linking me to it, i'll read up on it

[citizen_erased]

does anyone have any opinions on the Cultural Appropriation/Japanese text on their merch discourse that's happening on tumblr right now?

I haven't seen any of the discourse, but as someone who majored in Japanese in uni, I do have opinions about the Japhan merch (and I don't think I was here yet when the first discourse on it started on here? Not sure tbh)

Most Japanese people I know are totally fine with people using their writing/culture for things. In fact, most people - not just the Japanese - love it when you learn a bit about their language and culture and see it more as a sign of interest and respect. Tumblr has this thing about ~cultural appropriation~ but honestly they're often wrong. Besides, there's so much clothing and stuff out there with random Japanese and/or cherry blossom patterns on it. And that's not even considering the part where the whole idea of appropriation and how bad it is depends highly on the culture that's being appropriated. The Japanese have an entirely different view on these things than Americans do.

There's a fine line between "appropriation" and "appreciation" and I do think this merch falls into the latter category. Dan & Phil obviously like Japan and appreciate it and they're not perpetuating any harmful stereotypes about the country or the culture itself.

But I've seen so many first years at my uni who were all about "cool Japan" and all those cliche nerdy things and putting katakana on everything and shouting kawaii at anything even remotely cute, and although there isn't necessarily anything wrong with it, it just irks me personally. To me, it feels like a very cringy combination of edgy teenagers and that super embarassing random phase the internet had several years ago. (I might just be incredibly elitist idk)

I'm generally ok with people being like this, because a lot of people grow through this initial phase and learn more about the country and culture (and I've been there myself), so I tend to ignore it. But hell will freeze over before I buy any of that merch (unless I know for sure I can find a nasa patch I can put over the katakana on that black sparkly backpack).

(disclaimer: I am incredibly tired after almost no sleep and a really long day so if I seem more harsh or rude or if none of this makes any sense whatsoever, please let me know!)

[tooqueerforyou]

I should preface this by saying that I'm a white person so am NOT the authority on this.

That being said, I think that there is a difference between appreciation and appropriation, and they're kind of toeing the line a bit. I don't think there would be that much of a problem if they had any other reasoning for it than "Aesthetic", because that minimizes the language/culture to something very surface level. And I think we should add to this conversation their comments about monolids in the Dream Daddy video. They have a history of commenting on/using Asian traits and culture for their own purposes, in sometimes insensitive ways. I don't think it's intentional, and I believe(with the merch esp) that it's coming from a good place, but the fact is that many do find it disrespectful and they should address it.

[confusedpanda]

I'm not sure why Tumblr is having the discourse about it now And not when it first came out. Why did tumblr people wait so long to have this important discourse?

because this was brought on again by dan's recent comments about the monolid eyes being "snek-like" in the Dream Daddy video.

also thank you for linking me to it, i'll read up on it

Still, they still did wait till now to bring up an important discourse, that's what's boggling my mind. Tumblr is the kinda place that always seemed to call out what they feel is cultural appropriation right away.
Re that comment: The comment to me still feels like something that was accidentally/wasn't intended to cause harm/ignorance and yes should be apologized for as many were offended. But knowing they're track record with problematic comments and stuff, they won't say anything and brush it under the rug. That's the problem sadly. :/ I don't think it's them having high pride but more of them being scared to bring up they're mistakes as they fear people will focus on that and that only. Which is just very sad if that's how they feel, it's better to all out your mistakes than stay quite. The sooner they realize that it's completely ok to own up to mistakes, the better things will be.
As for the merch, I personally don't feel like I have a say in this. I don't know much about the culture to form an opinion of my own . But I'll say the consensus in the phandom with people with a Japanese background seems to be somewhat split. Some people of Japanese descend say they feel like it is appropriation but some feel as though it's completely fine. And if the opinion is split like it seems to be, how can a general right or wrong be formed with the merch?
But tbh, I agree with an anon I saw on dizzy's tumblr last night, why don't they just use a fictional language like simlish (sim language) on they're merch??? It would actually RELATE to them as the sims is something they're actually known for playing constantly!

[Appa]

rip

[thatdanandphilguy]

Tumblr and social justice are seriously my pet peeve. I’m all for standing up for justice, but a lot of the time that is not what goes on in tumblr. It’s a witch hunt, labeling people as problematic because they made one mistake and then never letting it go. Even if said people have always made sure to not say anything offensive and insensitive. I’m talking in general here, based on things I’ve seen before in tumblr, not particulary about Dan and Phil.

Imo using japanese in merch is not cultural appropriation. Using other languages in clothing items etc. happens constantly all over the world and it does zero harm to anyone despite someone always profiting from it. In japan english is aesthetic, while in west japanese is, it goes both ways and there’s nothing wrong with it. French is also one of the most common languages that is used in clothing in countries that don’t speak french. Using another language is not the same as taking something sacred, while language is always a part of certain culture, no one can actually own it. No one has the right to decide who can use it and who can’t. Languages are something anyone can learn and use if they want to and learning another language is only a positive thing.

Personally I’m not really a fan of katakana in merch, but that’s more about how I don’t really want to draw any attention to myself and if I were to use their merch with katakana, there’s a high chance that someone would ask what it means and I don’t really like explaining things like that. So I’ll rather stick with using only things people around me can understand, to avoid feeling uncomfortable.

[flarequake]

Oh, good point about the SITC awards, human. I totally forgot and left before any of that. I'm not sure if they're tonight or tomorrow. While I'm spilling beans, TomSka mentioned his recent sketch with Dan and how it was originally going to be him as a barman giving Dan's character advice on approaching women. Also I don't know if Martyn and Cornelia are behind the scenes somewhere, but they haven't been on the merch stand. Let's hope Dan's PC is okay, that's a lot of water to spill in it and not fry something.

[LtrllySusan]

Moving theories debunked? Shelves are filled.

Edit: Also, to my knownledge, you can use (demineralised) water to actually clean a computer, as long as you let it dry entirely before switching it on. He's not gonna be drinking that though, so let's hope for the best. Luckily only water still, anything sticky would be much worse.