Dan & Phil Part 52: And They Were Roommates

[dontpanic]

Does anyone know approx. how many views the Tindr vid had before Dan had to take it down? I'm curious as all heck. Also, I love how Dan's "taking quizzes about myself" video has so many more views compared to most of his other recent videos the irony...the video he least wanted to film is one of his most popular of the year. Dan's always going on about giving the people what they want, apparently this is it.

idk, the liveshow was fine but his last few liveshows were so enjoyable/pleasant that this liveshow felt more than usual. Glad that he sort of addressed the catfishing thing, even if he did so in a...weird...way. Bright side, no one will ever forget that lovely image!

Theory: the real reason dan didn't go to sitt was because he's spending 19 hours a day playing the gw2 lw season finale. I mean, i'd understand...the new map is super cool.
Phil just didn't want to deal with the excessive socialization by himself (#relateable)

[coffeepenguin]

06:30 “much more tea to be sipped with that” re: Last Contact with Tomska
“Tom is so funny with his Last Week videos, he just tells you everything and probably gets in so much trouble”
-did Tom say yet what happened with that video and Tinder? did I miss that?

I actually wanted to comment on that in my post, but forgot. In the second to last LW, first after publishing the sketch, Tom said he wanted to talk about it, but some time later when it wouldn't get him in trouble. He didn't even mention it was to be a spon, as opposed to, like, two months or something worth of LW before where he talked about rewriting the script. So I don't really understand what Dan's referring to Granted, I haven't watched the last published LW yet, but I doubt Dan has because it was published not long before his ls.

I'm also wondering about Dan's comment about Tom asking him to participate in the sketch. Can't find it right now, but someone mentioned that at SITC, Tom said the initial idea for this version of sketch was for Dan to play a guy asking for advice and Tom playing the barman giving it. But Dan made it sound like what Tom asked him to do was what was actually filmed. So who decided to scrap the idea of Dan bieng the one to ask for advice, Tom himself?

[LtrllySusan]

Does anyone know approx. how many views the Tindr vid had before Dan had to take it down? I'm curious as all heck.

I think like 2.4M?

Another thing that stuck me as odd during the LS was that Dan said *high-pitched voice* "Uuhhhh I wanna come to the musical too!!!1!" but then, three sentences later, said he wasn't excited to see Wicked? I don't see why admitting to having planned to go to a musical together with your friends would be such a big deal that he'd cover up the story. We all know he was on a 2 week vacation with Phil's family (I was about to spell it "phamily", someone save me), so why can't he admit he consciously planned to spend an afternoon with them?

[citizen_erased]

[offtopic]Katka. I didn't "come at" you, I corrected the incorrect things that you said about Asia. I called it fiction because it was fiction. The things you were saying were totally objectively false. I don't care what your race is, you're not from here and it shows. I didn't misunderstand you, you were just wrong. If being corrected when you're wrong makes you feel attacked, maybe you should take a deeper look at your values.



I'm tired. I've generally been friendly and respectful, but most of the replies I get are angry and try to tell me I'm always wrong even when talking about my own culture. When I try to do something fun/positive, it gets ignored (except the case of the missing 9.2%, thank you internetakeover). I thought it would be fun here, but I'm starting to really regret joining this forum. It honestly feels like I'm being bullied and shoved out on purpose. I don't understand.

I already took a break and things haven't changed, should I just leave? I don't want to force my presence in a place I'm not welcome.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]I'm sorry that you feel like this, Capybantsa. I get frustrated with these conversations too, because no one is ever going to agree, so we shouldn't keep dragging it out. Honestly, this is part of why I'm a lurker basically everywhere I hang out on the internet.

And because I lurk, I largely get ignored when I post, too. Like my last post, which said

Some Japanese and Asian people are offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some people of Japanese or Asian descent are offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some Japanese and Asian people aren't offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some people of Japanese or Asian descent aren't offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

There are people from other countries and cultures who can have an opinion but ultimately don't get to decide what's offensive because it's not about them.

Honestly, the cultural appropriation and queerbaiting arguments are circular and are never going to be resolved. At this point, I feel like everyone should just agree to disagree and move on.

And only 1 person responded at all.

Make sure that you do what's best for yourself, whether that means continuing to post, lurking, or leaving all together. Your health and happiness are more important than strangers on the internet.

I hope that you feel better! ][/offtopic]

[offtopic]Don't know if it helps, but you're not alone in feeling this! By far most of my posts get completely ignored, and only some get 1 single reply. I've been wondering whether it was worth it to sign up to this forum at all.

Back to lurking for now, I guess.[/offtopic]

[BSV]

[offtopic]Katka. I didn't "come at" you, I corrected the incorrect things that you said about Asia. I called it fiction because it was fiction. The things you were saying were totally objectively false. I don't care what your race is, you're not from here and it shows. I didn't misunderstand you, you were just wrong. If being corrected when you're wrong makes you feel attacked, maybe you should take a deeper look at your values.



I'm tired. I've generally been friendly and respectful, but most of the replies I get are angry and try to tell me I'm always wrong even when talking about my own culture. When I try to do something fun/positive, it gets ignored (except the case of the missing 9.2%, thank you internetakeover). I thought it would be fun here, but I'm starting to really regret joining this forum. It honestly feels like I'm being bullied and shoved out on purpose. I don't understand.

I already took a break and things haven't changed, should I just leave? I don't want to force my presence in a place I'm not welcome.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]I'm sorry that you feel like this, Capybantsa. I get frustrated with these conversations too, because no one is ever going to agree, so we shouldn't keep dragging it out. Honestly, this is part of why I'm a lurker basically everywhere I hang out on the internet.

And because I lurk, I largely get ignored when I post, too. Like my last post, which said

Some Japanese and Asian people are offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some people of Japanese or Asian descent are offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some Japanese and Asian people aren't offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

Some people of Japanese or Asian descent aren't offended/think it's appropriation. That's valid.

There are people from other countries and cultures who can have an opinion but ultimately don't get to decide what's offensive because it's not about them.

Honestly, the cultural appropriation and queerbaiting arguments are circular and are never going to be resolved. At this point, I feel like everyone should just agree to disagree and move on.

And only 1 person responded at all.

Make sure that you do what's best for yourself, whether that means continuing to post, lurking, or leaving all together. Your health and happiness are more important than strangers on the internet.

I hope that you feel better! ][/offtopic]

[offtopic]Don't know if it helps, but you're not alone in feeling this! By far most of my posts get completely ignored, and only some get 1 single reply. I've been wondering whether it was worth it to sign up to this forum at all.

Back to lurking for now, I guess.[/offtopic]

Im always a bit surprised if someone replies to me tbh! But i think it can just be the nature of the forum and being quite fast paced maybe? If you're talking about something and then a new topic arises, i find comments can just get lost in the mix? I honestly wouldn't take it personally but I'm sorry Capybantsa that you're getting some negative responses

[relatablemood]

[offtopic]I think a lot of us that feel ignored are relatively new and so it's harder to get people to like us or our opinions. Feels like I only get noticed when I bring up news like the catfishing or questions to everyone else But it's still a nice board, the most active one on Dan and Phil, and I like the replies I do get. If you wanna leave, then you can but I'll be in the corner of everyone who feels left out! Like a support system within a gossip system But you do matter, it's just natural that people are more interested in people who've been here longer (not in phandom, because God knows I've been around for awhile, but on forums like this)[/offtopic]

[flarequake]

It's not even being new, it's just what other people have a response to. A few of my posts are quoted or mentioned, but most aren't. Also, being told in a discussion that there's no discussion and you're just wrong, well, there's still room to discuss why both sides have such different views, otherwise it closes things down.

[thephandommenace]

Whether you get replied to or not, your posts still have value and people will read them and someone, somewhere, will agree. I actually appreciated aleanna's post - I do think people read it and the conversation on cultural appropriation died down in response, which I was grateful for (not that it's not an important topic, it just keeps going round in circles with the same points being brought up each time). But this forum is a fast-moving conversation with readers rapidly trying to take in all the information before posting their own thoughts and not everybody's posts can be replied to. 90% of what I post here is just some throwaway opinion like "dan looks cute today" and what can you say to that? If I do get quoted/replied to I'm surprised, but flattered. We all joined because we felt we had something to say, right? This might not be a personal conversation thread but someone, somewhere, appreciated your post.

[nøx]

I suspect most posts, no matter who they're from, don't get (m)any direct responses. I figure it's more like an auditorium where people take turns speaking and then might address a few particular parts directly, rather than a group conversation with 5 people where it's easier to comment on everything. A lot is going on and I also just read most posts and then they combine into a big soup of information and opinions on a topic and then I might respond to that collective soup (in my very few posts lol.)
It's a little like as skype groupcall. You have to be picky about what you say and comment on, or the whole thing is gonna get clogged up and impossible to follow.
Nevermind the fact that it takes a lot of time to actually keep up with this forum. I can often easily spend half an hour or more on here in the morning, just reading, and I actually don't have that kinda time, so I try to skim sometimes.
Plus, I figure some of those who have been around for a long time have seen the same topics show up multiple times and eventually you're just gonna ignore it if you already had that same conversation 4 times. Like, the topic of queerbaiting came up twice while I've been here and the second time I already just ignored it (even though some people said things I agreed with and felt I had also already pointed out before) because I already shared my opinion recently and didn't have the time to properly engage at the time either, so it seemed redundant.

[LtrllySusan]

Hugs for all 1368 members (I would post 1368 hearts but I am pretty sure that counts as spam )

I agree with nøx though, many topics get discussed somewhat regularly, so elaborate answers might not always be met with the appreciation that they deserve.


Here's a nice thought for you to dwell on: DINOF's next video - reacting to In a Heartbeat. Totally innocent, lovely, advertiser-friendly, popular cause viral,....

[BSV]

Hugs for all 1368 members (I would post 1368 hearts but I am pretty sure that counts as spam )

I agree with nøx though, many topics get discussed somewhat regularly, so elaborate answers might not always be met with the appreciation that they deserve.


Here's a nice thought for you to dwell on: DINOF's next video - reacting to In a Heartbeat. Totally innocent, lovely, advertiser-friendly, popular cause viral,....

Oh god yes, sign me up

[pilotlight]

To add to what other people already said, most of the time even if I like something someone has posted, I really can't think of anything to add in response (other than "I agree with you", and I don't really wanna quote 10 different people just to tell them only that ). Even if I don't agree, I might not want to respond to specific people because it's maybe something subjective, or if it's a serious topic, I don't want someone to feel like I'm singling them out for having a different opinion. I'd be more likely to just make my own post and say what I think in general, but that doesn't mean I don't read or appreciate everybody else's posts.

If it seems like you get more disagreeing replies than agreeing (or none at all) I think it's probably because there's just more for someone to say when they disagree. "I disagree because {explanation}" versus "Yeah, I think so too.", especially if it's a complicated topic. I understand why that feels discouraging though.

[fancybum]

06:30 “much more tea to be sipped with that” re: Last Contact with Tomska
“Tom is so funny with his Last Week videos, he just tells you everything and probably gets in so much trouble”
-did Tom say yet what happened with that video and Tinder? did I miss that?

I actually wanted to comment on that in my post, but forgot. In the second to last LW, first after publishing the sketch, Tom said he wanted to talk about it, but some time later when it wouldn't get him in trouble. He didn't even mention it was to be a spon, as opposed to, like, two months or something worth of LW before where he talked about rewriting the script. So I don't really understand what Dan's referring to Granted, I haven't watched the last published LW yet, but I doubt Dan has because it was published not long before his ls.

I'm also wondering about Dan's comment about Tom asking him to participate in the sketch. Can't find it right now, but someone mentioned that at SITC, Tom said the initial idea for this version of sketch was for Dan to play a guy asking for advice and Tom playing the barman giving it. But Dan made it sound like what Tom asked him to do was what was actually filmed. So who decided to scrap the idea of Dan bieng the one to ask for advice, Tom himself?

Thank you! I'm still so behind on Tom's stuff but I figured if he had explained it, people would have talked about it here. It didn't seem like Dan was all that aware/involved during the whole selfcest + Phil concept lol, he didn't seem very keen on it being discussed during that one liveshow (which would be enough for Dan's comment about Tom getting in trouble- just him showing so much of the behind the scenes stuff of the business, like 'honesty probably gets Tom in so much trouble', that much transparency with the audience (even just as it pertains to YT process) is very un-D&P, like imagine Dan filming the BTS of him making a video, from scripting to editing, that'd be something to see). Weren't there ~8 rewrites of the script? Maybe Dan-as-barman was like the 7th attempt but they kept getting rejected by Tinder and Tom didn't pitch Dan the actual idea until the script got the green light? But then it seems they rejected it after the fact anyway..? I want more teaaa because as of right now it just looks like Tinder is a.mess. to work with.

[nephilimcat]

Did anyone else notice at 43:52 :wtf:
Chat:Dan, house tour.
Dan:No. I sti... I might move. I'm still not happy with the arrangement. (Laughs to himself) One day.

At this point I feel like he's just screwing with us.

I think he meant "I might move some things around" or something along the lines aka he isn't happy with the current aesthetics and therefore doesn't want to show the flat. Or he was just using that as an excuse (as if he needed one, just say it if you don't want to do it, it's fine).

Gotta catch up on the rest of the posts now, every time I go to bed after a ls or video, there are too many pages to catch up on

[Birdie]

[offtopic]

Katka. I didn't "come at" you, I corrected the incorrect things that you said about Asia. I called it fiction because it was fiction. The things you were saying were totally objectively false. I don't care what your race is, you're not from here and it shows. I didn't misunderstand you, you were just wrong. If being corrected when you're wrong makes you feel attacked, maybe you should take a deeper look at your values.

Like, let’s agree to disagree on this, okay? Think I’m “totally objectively” wrong if you must. That’s me and most people who studied cultural anthropology or history then, but fine. You have every right to think that and I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong about your own culture, I’m not that person. But seriously, you don’t know anything about me, I don’t know anything about you, there is no need to accuse each other of having to check our values or anything. I’m just gonna say it because I’ve noticed this with you before: You might not come across quite as perfectly polite and respectful as you think you do. You’re telling me I need to check my values because I “don’t like being told I’m wrong” (which had nothing to do with it by the way but I’m not going there again) but you’re apparently just as sad you got some negative responses on here, so…

But yeah, can this die now though? I really regret even responding to that first post by now. But I’d just like you to know that I don’t talk about stuff I don’t know shit about. I did this stuff at university, so it’s not like I made something up for the lols or whatever you seem to think I did. Everything I’ve said is pretty basic knowledge, it’s even on Wikipedia. You can think these theories are wrong if you want to, I don’t care, but stop pretending I made all of this up just to spite you and all of Asia or whatever. I'm done with this and I'm going to stay out of serious discussions on the internet from now on. It's not worth it.[/offtopic]

[alittledizzy]

[offtopic]I think a lot of us that feel ignored are relatively new and so it's harder to get people to like us or our opinions. Feels like I only get noticed when I bring up news like the catfishing or questions to everyone else But it's still a nice board, the most active one on Dan and Phil, and I like the replies I do get. If you wanna leave, then you can but I'll be in the corner of everyone who feels left out! Like a support system within a gossip system But you do matter, it's just natural that people are more interested in people who've been here longer (not in phandom, because God knows I've been around for awhile, but on forums like this)[/offtopic]

My tip for you, and everyone - start replying to each other. The more you make it into a conversation, the more people talk to you. When something happens in phandom people tend rush to express their individual opinions, and not nearly as many people reply to someone else's. But when you reply to people regularly, they do start replying to you back more!

[captainspacecoat]

Another thing that stuck me as odd during the LS was that Dan said *high-pitched voice* "Uuhhhh I wanna come to the musical too!!!1!" but then, three sentences later, said he wasn't excited to see Wicked? I don't see why admitting to having planned to go to a musical together with your friends would be such a big deal that he'd cover up the story. We all know he was on a 2 week vacation with Phil's family (I was about to spell it "phamily", someone save me), so why can't he admit he consciously planned to spend an afternoon with them?

I do think he was playing that up tbh. Given that Dan went with the Lesters to The Book of Mormon for Phil's parents' Christmas present last year/potentially early this year and also to the Motown musical for Mrs. Lester's birthday last year, I highly doubt he was left out of the plans. I think it's more likely he was always invited along, but was anticipating the outpouring of exaggerated reactions that would come from knowing Dan is inherently included in Lester family celebrations now. I sympathise with him and am not at all mad at him as he doesn't owe us any kind of an explanation, and I fully understand why he wanted to downplay the sentiment of it, but I don't believe him for a second.

Also pilotlight I agree with you re: the nature of forums. There's no use in expecting a reply to every one of your posts - that's not how forums work! It can feel a bit isolating but most of the time people have probably read your post and agreed with it, but have nothing of worth to add on so the post gets left alone. Doesn't mean your opinions aren't valued, just that they've added to the construction of a particular topic but don't necessarily need to be interacted with in the way that other posts which may provoke more conversation or controversy do.

Also also I am betrayed, shocked and appalled that five months turned into seven months. Absolutely devastating news, if nothing ever comes from this I'm unstanning.

And thus concludes anything I have to say right now as I'm exhausted after being at work all day and haven't actually watched the liveshow yet, and kind of don't want to until I'm in a better headspace as it doesn't sound that amazing.

[phoenixfeather]

[offtopic]

Katka. I didn't "come at" you, I corrected the incorrect things that you said about Asia. I called it fiction because it was fiction. The things you were saying were totally objectively false. I don't care what your race is, you're not from here and it shows. I didn't misunderstand you, you were just wrong. If being corrected when you're wrong makes you feel attacked, maybe you should take a deeper look at your values.

Like, let’s agree to disagree on this, okay? Think I’m “totally objectively” wrong if you must. That’s me and most people who studied cultural anthropology or history then, but fine. You have every right to think that and I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong about your own culture, I’m not that person. But seriously, you don’t know anything about me, I don’t know anything about you, there is no need to accuse each other of having to check our values or anything. I’m just gonna say it because I’ve noticed this with you before: You might not come across quite as perfectly polite and respectful as you think you do. You’re telling me I need to check my values because I “don’t like being told I’m wrong” (which had nothing to do with it by the way but I’m not going there again) but you’re apparently just as sad you got some negative responses on here, so…

But yeah, can this die now though? I really regret even responding to that first post by now. But I’d just like you to know that I don’t talk about stuff I don’t know shit about. I did this stuff at university, so it’s not like I made something up for the lols or whatever you seem to think I did. Everything I’ve said is pretty basic knowledge, it’s even on Wikipedia. You can think these theories are wrong if you want to, I don’t care, but stop pretending I made all of this up just to spite you and all of Asia or whatever. I'm done with this and I'm going to stay out of serious discussions on the internet from now on. It's not worth it.[/offtopic]

relevant but non DP related thots so under spoiler

dearest katka and capybantsa ,
a mostly-lurker dropping in with her totally unasked for opinion, but i just want to let you guys know that i think it'd be a terrible idea to either a) leave the forum or b) stay out of serious discussions because of this. literally the opposite of what you should do. i mean i love this forum, i don't post a lot because i feel whatever i have to say will be said soon enough (*says prayer to zeus that the mods find a way to implement that like button one day*), but i'm saying that it's so important that you guys don't feel the need to keep yourself from joining in when you have something highly relevant and interesting to say. yes, arguments can get heated, especially since we're on the internet and because of that we're not pressured into using niceties we would be if we were having this discourse irl. but please, don't feel the need to stop sharing and discussing things you've experienced or learnt or think or know. even if you're wrong, even if others don't agree. it's the only way we can really educate ourselves on what others in the world think (and personally, i think it's even better than speaking with others in person, because you don't have your guard up as much and you can say what's really going through your mind). that's the absolute best thing about the internet, and why the internet has brought upon the age of globalization! how many literally DOZENS of countries do we have idbers from?! (pretend i'm linking to the thread here) we're all uniting over our common love for mature discourse over the private lives of two internet celebrities and in the meantime getting the opportunity to speak to people with totally different worldviews from our own. and that's actually a really amazing thing that shouldn't be taken for granted, yall.

[forced on topic comment] [yes i know this is nonworking code i did it on purpose] i noticed that moving mention too! i'm at the point where i think theres way too many coincidences and i've done so many d&p related google searches that idb came up as a result for THAT i'm pretty positive they've stumbled across this forum at least once. and maybe post here regularly hi cherrybomb lots of love [/yes i know this is nonworking code i did it on purpose][/forced on topic comment]

[lefthandedism]

I can certainly chime in with the feeling that most of my posts go unacknowledged, and at times it can feel a bit like standing alone in a party try to join some conversation, and failing . I have a couple of thoughts for IDB'rs who feel this way.

First, bear in mind that loads of people read this forum (and your posts). Not only all the 1.3k+ people who are members, most of whom are not participating at any particular time, but all the people who are not members who visit here regularly. I say that as someone who read all the main threads before I decided to join (I wouldn't recommend that now, it took forever then! ). But just by posting, you are contributing to the body of Deppy conversation in a relatively permanent way. Just think of all the readers who will go through the thread in the future and think "Hey that one really makes some good points!"

Second, try the side threads! There are dozens of other threads on this forum. They are guaranteed to be slower moving, and tend to be on relatively focused topics, which can increase the back-and-forth. Many are Deppy-related and many are not, but you can explore and bump (or start) a thread and get a bit more interaction.

[autumnhearth]

Did anyone else notice at 43:52 :wtf:
Chat:Dan, house tour.
Dan:No. I sti... I might move. I'm still not happy with the arrangement. (Laughs to himself) One day.

At this point I feel like he's just screwing with us.

I think he meant "I might move some things around" or something along the lines aka he isn't happy with the current aesthetics and therefore doesn't want to show the flat. Or he was just using that as an excuse (as if he needed one, just say it if you don't want to do it, it's fine).

Gotta catch up on the rest of the posts now, every time I go to bed after a ls or video, there are too many pages to catch up on

That is exactly how I interpreted his response. Unfortunately you can't directly quote Dan from his ls and take those words as his actual answer to the question. He was pausing and looking around at the shelves, which he had talked about earlier this show (and in previous shows) not being satisfied about. Of course *personally* I do think it's just an excuse. It might be uncomfortable responding with "Phil says no" every time he is asked.
(But seriously, Phil says no.)

Another thing that stuck me as odd during the LS was that Dan said *high-pitched voice* "Uuhhhh I wanna come to the musical too!!!1!" but then, three sentences later, said he wasn't excited to see Wicked? I don't see why admitting to having planned to go to a musical together with your friends would be such a big deal that he'd cover up the story. We all know he was on a 2 week vacation with Phil's family (I was about to spell it "phamily", someone save me), so why can't he admit he consciously planned to spend an afternoon with them?

I do think he was playing that up tbh. Given that Dan went with the Lesters to The Book of Mormon for Phil's parents' Christmas present last year/potentially early this year and also to the Motown musical for Mrs. Lester's birthday last year, I highly doubt he was left out of the plans. I think it's more likely he was always invited along, but was anticipating the outpouring of exaggerated reactions that would come from knowing Dan is inherently included in Lester family celebrations now. I sympathise with him and am not at all mad at him as he doesn't owe us any kind of an explanation, and I fully understand why he wanted to downplay the sentiment of it, but I don't believe him for a second.

Yeah... I wanted to mention that it my first post. I get it. And maybe that works on some people... but for most of the phandom I see, it just draws more attention to it and becomes a point of discussion.

22:30 “I haven’t watched [In a Heartbeat] yet, I will, I’m sure it will be very emotional and probably make me cry 10 times. Because as we all know, nothing f’s with your heart like short films that are animated with cute characters, they just make you emotional. It doesn’t matter whether it is something that you can relate to on a human emotional level or if it’s just like a seagull or something”

-one way of taking that could be a nice little fuck oooooooooffff (but nicer) in advance of people thinking him liking it (which, as stated, is inevitable no matter what it's about - human/animals sexuality/pancakes - animated shorts truly will get you every time) confirms or says fuck all about anything about him just because the short is about 2 dudes like can he fucking do anything without everyone breathing down his neck and being disappointed/x when he doesn’t bend to every expectation or use the 'proper' amount (to people that.. aren't him) of emphasis on words about his own life damn

Thank you for that. I needed that perspective. (And no, I don't think we will be getting a reaction video, as lovely as that idea is.)

I think long story short, these all are instances that Dan's desire to explain himself becomes uncomfortable. Phil seems much better at either ignoring or giving short simple answers to questions from the chat, but then we often feel more closed off from Phil emotionally...
I don't envy them.

Thanks missemma for completing my mental image of Dan at a Rammstein concert.
And thanks to Dan for his own details!

It seems odd to take a photo sipping tea in the shower. (Not that I would put it past him).
It *could* be a corner/nook of the kitchen, where you know... you brew and sometimes drink the tea. I much prefer the dark slate looking tile in the bathroom featured in Phil's sleepless night video.

*hugs you all*

[fancybum]

It seems odd to take a photo sipping tea in the shower. (Not that I would put it past him).
It *could* be a corner/nook of the kitchen, where you know... you brew and sometimes drink the tea. I much prefer the dark slate looking tile in the bathroom featured in Phil's sleepless night video.

All this layout sleuthing and nobody has pinpointed the location of the probable sex dungeon yet. Tile is easier to clean is all I'm saying.

[malday]

That Gleamers HelloWorld event is in October, as in two months from now...

[Awesomesauceness]

[offtopic]

Katka. I didn't "come at" you, I corrected the incorrect things that you said about Asia. I called it fiction because it was fiction. The things you were saying were totally objectively false. I don't care what your race is, you're not from here and it shows. I didn't misunderstand you, you were just wrong. If being corrected when you're wrong makes you feel attacked, maybe you should take a deeper look at your values.

Like, let’s agree to disagree on this, okay? Think I’m “totally objectively” wrong if you must. That’s me and most people who studied cultural anthropology or history then, but fine. You have every right to think that and I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong about your own culture, I’m not that person. But seriously, you don’t know anything about me, I don’t know anything about you, there is no need to accuse each other of having to check our values or anything. I’m just gonna say it because I’ve noticed this with you before: You might not come across quite as perfectly polite and respectful as you think you do. You’re telling me I need to check my values because I “don’t like being told I’m wrong” (which had nothing to do with it by the way but I’m not going there again) but you’re apparently just as sad you got some negative responses on here, so…

But yeah, can this die now though? I really regret even responding to that first post by now. But I’d just like you to know that I don’t talk about stuff I don’t know shit about. I did this stuff at university, so it’s not like I made something up for the lols or whatever you seem to think I did. Everything I’ve said is pretty basic knowledge, it’s even on Wikipedia. You can think these theories are wrong if you want to, I don’t care, but stop pretending I made all of this up just to spite you and all of Asia or whatever. I'm done with this and I'm going to stay out of serious discussions on the internet from now on. It's not worth it.[/offtopic]

relevant but non DP related thots so under spoiler

dearest katka and capybantsa ,
a mostly-lurker dropping in with her totally unasked for opinion, but i just want to let you guys know that i think it'd be a terrible idea to either a) leave the forum or b) stay out of serious discussions because of this. literally the opposite of what you should do. i mean i love this forum, i don't post a lot because i feel whatever i have to say will be said soon enough (*says prayer to zeus that the mods find a way to implement that like button one day*), but i'm saying that it's so important that you guys don't feel the need to keep yourself from joining in when you have something highly relevant and interesting to say. yes, arguments can get heated, especially since we're on the internet and because of that we're not pressured into using niceties we would be if we were having this discourse irl. but please, don't feel the need to stop sharing and discussing things you've experienced or learnt or think or know. even if you're wrong, even if others don't agree. it's the only way we can really educate ourselves on what others in the world think (and personally, i think it's even better than speaking with others in person, because you don't have your guard up as much and you can say what's really going through your mind). that's the absolute best thing about the internet, and why the internet has brought upon the age of globalization! how many literally DOZENS of countries do we have idbers from?! (pretend i'm linking to the thread here) we're all uniting over our common love for mature discourse over the private lives of two internet celebrities and in the meantime getting the opportunity to speak to people with totally different worldviews from our own. and that's actually a really amazing thing that shouldn't be taken for granted, yall.

[forced on topic comment] [yes i know this is nonworking code i did it on purpose] i noticed that moving mention too! i'm at the point where i think theres way too many coincidences and i've done so many d&p related google searches that idb came up as a result for THAT i'm pretty positive they've stumbled across this forum at least once. and maybe post here regularly hi cherrybomb lots of love [/yes i know this is nonworking code i did it on purpose][/forced on topic comment]

You said this so eloquently! This was kind of what I wanted to say as well, but didn't really know how to articulate. Discussion is really a good way to learn about new things and even though it may feel uncomfortable to see an opinion different from your own, it's always interesting to see things from another perspective. I do think that sometimes issues concerning our cultures and places we call home are hard to have a discussion about, because there is a lot of personal stake and attachment in the matter. While it doesn't excuse negative behaviour I guess, it's still understandable why someone might react strongly in such a discussion.

I think also, because we all come from (I'm assuming) pretty different and diverse backgrounds, there are definitely things some of us have been exposed to and others haven't. Obviously, it doesn't excuse reacting badly or attacking people, but it might be jarring for someone to be held up to an expectation (and berated (?) in a way for not meeting it) that they don't fully know about or understand. One may think that they're being perfectly respectful, but they simply didn't understand what entails "respect" for the other person. As someone who spent they're entire life in Asia, when I first went to America I caused a lot of unintentional negative feelings because I accidentally offended people, because I simply didn't know some things. Where I went in America, China was pretty much a laughing stock and the butt of a lot of jokes, and I didn't take well to it, blindly attacking people for saying such things without thinking why my home had such a perception. Obviously not quite the same issue, but I guess it's natural for people to be defensive about their home, or something they've studied and feel pride in?

So I guess after a very long winded post, I just wanted to say that while things can get heated, discussion is a great place to learn things and we can all try more to understand where people are coming from. Basically what phoenixfeather said in much better words. Please excuse my English, it is not my first language and is very hard to use right. >~<

EDIT: I guess I have to stay on topic. I'm really sad that dan had to take down the tinder video! I actually very very liked that video, because as an LGBT person it meant so much to see someone not come out but also come out? I never really grasped the notion before this. So I'm disappointed to see it go. I guess I'll have to comb through the corners of the internet for a copy and stuff. Anyone here who's perception of LGBT related stuff changed after Dan and Phil? What (or what did you discover) changed for you guys?

[DatCog]

That Gleamers HelloWorld event is in October, as in two months from now...

Ugh if they turn up at that, I'll be so disappointed in them! Did any of the Gleamers go to SITC or are they now completely separate from the rest of UK YouTube community?

Can I just say how much I appreciate IDB! I love the fact that everyone who participates here has an equal opportunity to post their views, regardless of follower counts or who they know. I don't take it personally if 99% of my posts get no response...that's just the nature of a forum. I tend to stay away from the controversial subjects because I'm woefully uneducated about a lot of stuff and I'm scared of conflict! This is the only place I get to indulge in my fondness of those two cute dorks and I'm very grateful

Really hope we get the Sims video tonight, can't wait to see what they do with the Howlter house!

[Vanderlyle]

That Gleamers HelloWorld event is in October, as in two months from now...

don't you DARE go there - no i will not allow it