Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

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sparkle wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:22 pm I have revision I should be doing but this seems more interesting right now.
I love this your take on it! And thank you for revisiting all the moments as I know what I'll be going through on YouTube tonight :garbage:

Speaking of Phil's videos, I wish he would go back to longer comedy skits, as opposed to the life updates mingled with humour and short clips. He's always done these kind of videos but I don't know.... maybe I'm just greedy for more :lol:
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gohomohowell wrote:- At what point did the majority of the Phandom all come to the conclusion that Phan is real, because it was only last year that there were still anti-phan blogs + anti phan proof floating around Tumblr so it's surprising how strongly people believe in it now, even if they don't ship it
I’m personally still not sure they’re together and I think many others feel the same way but you’re right, a lot of aggressive antis have disappeared. But so have a lot of aggressive shippers to be fair. I think it’s because no one really cares that much anyone. This time last year everyone was still really curious about the big phan mystery and whilst loads of people still want to know, a lot of people are basically ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ about it by now. Maybe I just managed to avoid it but I think the general fight between “antis” and “demon phannies” has died down a lot and the phandom got a lot more chill about whether or not they’re together. I don’t really know why, maybe everyone just finally got bored with trying to find out the truth. People still have strong opinions on this but I see a lot less fighting.

Btw, I didn’t mean to police the dickscourse! If you wanna discuss The Incident, go ahead, I’ll just sit in my little corner over here and wait until you’re done. I was just uncomfortable with it and I think it’s usually good to share that too, idk, just part of the discussion, I guess.
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gohomohowell wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:44 pm
sparkle wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:22 pm I have revision I should be doing but this seems more interesting right now.
I love this your take on it! And thank you for revisiting all the moments as I know what I'll be going through on YouTube tonight :garbage:

Speaking of Phil's videos, I wish he would go back to longer comedy skits, as opposed to the life updates mingled with humour and short clips. He's always done these kind of videos but I don't know.... maybe I'm just greedy for more :lol:
Thank you! If only my exam tomorrow was on the history of Phan, I'd honestly probably get 90%+ on it. (though I've already passed this module without an exam, anything above 50% on the paper guarantees me at least a 2:1 module grade, if I get 60% I pass with a First :D no matter what I get, from tomorrow I have a fucking degree?! :o)

also add to that list #floorgate and the reignition of that following the moon room live show
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sparkle wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:22 pm Wouldn't be surprised if they did a coming out video, whereas before it would've been A Big Deal™, now it would just me being like 'fucking OBVIOUSLY'. And I think thats why its been mostly accepted now, before it felt like tinhatting and speculation on tiny details. Now it feels like its deliberate subtext. And because they are part of the entertainment industry, I can't help but think this feels like we're living in a period of foreshadowing.
Is this like a hypothetical, or do you actually expect them to make a coming out video? And if so, do you mean a joint one 'coming out' about their relationship, or joint/separate about their sexualities only?
I've been mulling this over since I posted tbh. It's hypothetical, I don't expect it but if it happens I'm not going to be surprised. I'd be more surprised if they confirmed anything to the contrary tbh. Even moments that you can read as 'D&P are telling us to give up and stop speculating' i.e. a sleepless night being in Phil's room and not the moon room - I'm seeing as it more Phil getting people to calm down, but without addressing it explicitly?

I also am aware that they are two people who are alive and how ever much of a persona 'AmazingPhil' and 'danisnotonfire' are, the people Dan Howell and Phil Lester are not perfectly scripted pieces of media. For all we know they've been married since Vegas 2012 and Dan has contacts from wanting to do Law that have made him be liberal with the NDAs. Or they don't actually live together and their new apartment is their two separate apartments + IRL office space.

Going to put the rest under a spoiler because apparently I have a lot of thoughts today :garbage:
To answer as if I am expecting it - I think I'm expecting either a joint confirmation on their relationship, or a confirmation (which doesn't rely on subtext - ala Tinder video, Diss Track etc) from Dan and not Phil. Not because I think Dan owes it to the phandom, I don't. But because I think this isn't something that suits Phil in his current branding, I don't think Phil has ever addressed anything serious (please correct me if I'm wrong on this), his liveshows and videos are more of a 'lets hang out and have it be super happy and fun'. Whereas Dan is more expressive and emotional about his feelings, particularly in his liveshows. So I would be expecting it more from Dan, a confirmation video about sexuality from Phil completely separate from Dan would honestly shock me so much. Even if it was on LAP not AP, I would be so unbelievably shocked and proud? I love it when Phil is more serious and we see that side of him, he is more than capable of it, he just chooses to not share it which frustrates me. Which is sad because Phil went through the entirety of his compulsory education whilst we still had the bullshit of Section 28 and I want to know his thoughts on that, it affected my schooling and I left in 2011 when Section 28 had been gone for 8 years. Now I just want to hear both of them discuss this at length because it would be fascinating.

I think if they ever, ever make a statement about the 'true' nature of their relationship be it 'guys we're married to each other' or 'guys we're married... to other people' (i.e. what Emma and Dan - as in NerdCubed Dan - did). It would 100% be together. Neither would 'out' the other, that I am convinced of. If we get a statement about relationships it will be from the two of them. I don't think we'd get another 2012 situation where it would be radio silence from one and reams and reams of denials and reactions from their other. Honestly, if a video surfaced now showing them undeniably kissing each other/someone else I can't see anything other than a completely united front on it.

What I would like to happen in an ideal world is for them to confirm/deny their relationship with each other, whatever they say now I'll believe because nothing has leaked. Mainly because I just want the 'are they aren't they' to be over, they'll never escape it until they address it (unless they're profiting off it to stay relevant and thats an entirely separate can of worms). I feel like they are - or just really want to feel like they are - going to address it soon because the amount of 'evidence' from the last year is starting to outweigh the amount from 2009 in my mind. After they address it, I would love to see a video of them talking about their sexuality and relationship in relation to education and YouTube etc because that I find fascinating. And then I'd like nothing else, because there doesn't need to be anything else. There doesn't need to be labels, I'd just like a discussion :lol:

There is a small, horrible feeling of doubt in me though that the reason we've never had a confirmation is because theres nothing to confirm, and its all a big scam with them playing on how two attractive men who appear queer will be fetishised. The only reason I'd want a confirmation either way is so I know wether my anger towards Dan especially was ever justified, and to know that they're better than to sink that low, or wether YouTube success really does mean people will be that shitty.
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cherrybomb3 wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:30 am current aesthetic - albion's signiture gif thing
thank you, glad to see my creative efforts don't go underappreciated. i feel like it conveys my general stance on d&p, but also, how i feel everytime i read the threads.
gohomohowell wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:49 am - Why haven't they gotten Patreon yet? Is their fanbase too big or is there just no need for it?
i mean, i dont know if you've talked about this yet but dapg livestream was through youtube gaming, which has the feature of "sponsoring" the channel, which is around 4 dollars a month, and it gives u the benefit to be in the priority chat and some other things, but it's basically just giving them 4 dollars a month for doing livestreams. A few people have done it already and they read their names out during the livestream. so obviously patreon is not a necessary thing for creators who already have enough capital to invest in creating their own things, but the sponsorship system on youtube gaming works similarly.
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malday wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:04 pm I think someone suggested it before, but listening to that podcast, especially the part about getting new talent out there, i agree with the idea that the thing they did in February that we "might or might not see" was a pilot for a show they are trying to pitch.

Oooh I love this idea, I hadn't considered it before. I think it's definitely a possibility especially because of the fact that during their interview with Sue they talked a lot about the process of pitching a TV show. I know they chalked their knowledge about it up to experience with the radio show but I think it's definitely worth considering that it's rooted in actual experiences.
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OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

I'm guessing no liveshow but I'll take itttt
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"as our internet is literally too slow to stream atm"......i mean i don't wanna be that person but they are 100% moving right now
(also GOLF YAY ! they know how to keep us happy)
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Internet too slow... = moving? :garbage:
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FUCK YES GOLF

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AroboticPhil wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:38 pm "as our internet is is literally too slow to stream atm"......i mean i don't wanna be that person but they are 100% moving right now
(also GOLF YAY ! they know how to keep us happy)
I wasn't even sure about the idea of them moving this month but after this whole slow wifi thing, I am so on board with the moving right now theory!! *tin hat emoji* I want to believe!!!
And yayyy golf with friends!!!
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Hilarious "internet too slow to stream". Oh, Daniel. And in his pyjamas no less.
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Ugh really?? The one day I was looking forward to Dan's liveshow! Just my luck...
And these guys omg. Get your internet together, or just move already but don't deprive me of liveshows :(
At least it's golf, i really like those. Will watch when I get out of work.
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I'm still watching but at 14.17 Dan's "we're together" is gonna be taken out of context A LOT :mrgreen:
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So Dan hasn't streamed from his normal spot in how many weeks? And they've only shown us the gaming room lately? And they prefilmed a bunch of videos even though they were only in Scotland one day? And they tethered to livestream the gaming over the weekend?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I see.
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I'm honestly quite disappointed... I love golf with friends and will be watching it soon, but really, ANOTHER cancelled live show? There's been so many cancelled shows lately. I love all the content they make, but honestly live shows are what I always look forward to most because they have set dates when they're supposed to do them, so you wait for that day and then it just gets cancelled. Something must be going on though, there's been so many cancelled shows and usually when Dan cancels it sounds like a poor excuse.
Oh well, at least the live shows last week were amazing. Maybe I'll rewatch one after watching the golf video. :garbage: I hope whatever is going on will be done soon and they'll be back to regular schedule.
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I honestly am fine with not getting a live show tonight, because I love these golf with friends vids and this one was no exception.

It was really good and relaxing imo and I am still down with getting more of these. Will rewatch.

Also I'm starting to get a little bit more on board with this moving theory.
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I'm not saying they're moving but
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why has the internet suddenly become so slow? i knew something was up when they tethered mariokart using the excuse of slow internet. 100% moving.
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So instead of laggy gaming stream we get a laggy gaming video? Why is Phil's perspective being recorded on his shitty Macbook with 10 fps when they have a perfectly fine gaming computer right at the desk? If the gaming stream hadn't been after the recording of this I'd say it's cause they already moved the desktop computer
I mean the banter is on point but the quality is kinda meh.

sparkle wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:22 pm I have revision I should be doing but this seems more interesting right now.

From my perspective as someone who was out of the Phandom for the entirety of 2016 and then came back looking to catch up after Dan killed off Danis No Ton Fire. The 'big indicators' are:
- moving together for a 3rd time - as two millionaires who *at the time* were 30 and 25 - you can afford to not live together. Moving again shows a level of commitment, if they were gonna move apart moving out of their old apartment was the perfect time, especially because there were so many hints. It would have been more sense to be building to a 'Phan isn't real, we're going our separate ways guys, these are our partners' than a 'were moving to our non forever home', indicating a fourth move.
- forever home and a future dog - these boys are more committed than my parents at this point tbh
- BONCAS incident - like Phil thanked Dan and brought him up on stage in a way that indicates their relationship is more than just two p l a t o n i c bros doing p l a t o n i c bro things.
- Roast Yourself - Dan acknowledged his sexuality in a way that IIRC he has never done before - its no longer debatable that Dan is heterosexual, I think he's made it fairly clear he isn't and this is one of the most explicit examples
- Tinder videos - Phil's because it was something in the past - Dan because he firstly didnt just do women, never made it weird that it wasn't only women (i.e NO HOMO), and he admitted to never having used Tinder before. And there were absolutely zero forever alone jokes from them. What a better time to make one than in a #spon for a dating app.
- Phil's room - Phil is a man of simpler tastes than Dan, Phil likes nice things but he isn't as materialistic than Dan (not a bad thing either way) but I have a hard time believing Philip '6"2' Lester sleeps in that room, and so do a lot of people.
- Tour Bus Room - Do we really think Daniel "6'3" Howell (google tells me he's 6"4 though) slept in a bunk? Really? For months? Especially because the sign on the door clearly said 'Dan and Phil'.
- Moon Room - apart from being GORGEOUS, this room was supposed to never be on the internet. It is much bigger than Phil's room, and it contained things that are questionable in who they belong to. Furthermore, if you watch Dans eyes during it, I do believe Phil was sat on the floor and Dan was looking for his permission in what to show. I don't think that we only saw approximately half of it was any coincidence. He wouldn't have just shown it - if Phil was editing/test streaming, doing a live show is also part of Dans job and that should have taken precedence over whatever Phil was doing.
and finally
- THAT video - not that video, I mean THAT video - that hot sexual mess of a baking video - and their attitude that has come after it. It is genuinely different, before they announced DAPG I remember everyone on tumblr being like 'HOLY SHIT ITS GONNA BE A COMING OUT VIDEO!!111!!1!!!!1!11111!', if that video had dropped in 2014 I swear to god the internet would have exploded. If some of the videos they are making now had happened then, the reaction would be the same. But there is an attitude shift and its not just confirmation bias either, its obvious to someone who was away for so long, it felt like coming home but the same way that it felt when I came home for christmas after leaving for uni and my parents had redecorated my room. It is the same, but its also different.

I do genuinely think they drop hints though - like they have admitted to it in the past. I think they've been dropping hints and people are picking up on them and that is why there is a noticeable attitude shift. I think its more believable now because D&P are consciously making it more believable to us.

Wouldn't be surprised if they did a coming out video, whereas before it would've been A Big Deal™, now it would just me being like 'fucking OBVIOUSLY'. And I think thats why its been mostly accepted now, before it felt like tinhatting and speculation on tiny details. Now it feels like its deliberate subtext. And because they are part of the entertainment industry, I can't help but think this feels like we're living in a period of foreshadowing.

(Spoiler by me to save space)
I would definite support sparkle's Phan Theory Patreon :garbage:
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:lol: cute moment at the end of the video, where they shook hands and dan said he would still buy phil a pint at the country club... oh these boys
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Just ended watching Golf with friends, and I found that handshake at the end so adorable?
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I'm a bit disappointed about no liveshow, but that was pleasant to watch too so I'll survive.. We haven't seen a danny liveshow for such a long time though :shock:
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ayyy golf with friends! always v relaxing to watch. whenenver i put it on the TV my dad and brother always watch along bc they'll take up any sports content aha.

i thought exactly the same about the "we're together" comment being taken out of context lmao.

nice, chill vid. i can only imagine how frustrating it is for them when it crashes tho.

(phil was robbed of his victory tho).

anyway, patreon? nah. they don't need it tbh. plus, fans that really want to send premium messages/get into the super chat or whatever it's called, can donate money to them without it causing a massive public outrage directed towards dnp seeing as people can't see how much they're making from it. along with the fact that dnp haven't asked for people to spend their money on it, and can just accept what they're given (which is a good amount tbh) without ppl accusing them of "taking advantage of fans" or whatever.
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That video was super cute, I loved sassy Phil. He deserved to win though, dammit.

Also I'm 100% on the moving train, there's no going back. I'm sorry but their internet worked okay to stream up till last week and now it's suddenly so bad that they can't livestream? Hmmm. Horton hears a bitchass liar. :illuminati:
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video was so cute! did anyone else see phil's roots, or is that just the light reflecting?
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Loved the gaming video. Much bants much fun. I'm pretty sure before the game crashed they were actually 47-54 not 47-52 (I could be wrong). It wouldn't have changed who won but either way Phil was robbed.

No liveshow is just cementing my belief in the moving theory
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