Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

[jaej]

As we've already discussed, deppy both don't really fit the bill when it comes to typical masculinity and I think a lot of straight cis men have issues with internalised gender roles here. "They don't act manly, if I like them that means that I might also not be perceived as masculine, this is not good", that kind of thought process. That's what's so toxic about that kind of masculinity. It's inherently misogynistic because interest in feminine coded stuff is always seen as worth less than interest in masculine coded stuff or even as funny/shameful.

a problem with this is that it isn't always just about the view of the person who likes the thing considered less masculine. you may be an AMAB person who is totally comfortable with doing things perceived as more feminine, but that doesn't necessarily mean other people will be. it's a lot easier to just avoid some youtube videos you might like than put up with annoying comments (and even potential violence depending on what the area you're in is like and how open you are about liking it). chances are there a lot more people who are not teenage girls who do like d+p but either don't watch, dont keep up to date any further or just deny liking them.

on higher levels, plenty of guys aren't going to find makeup funny or shameful or worse less, but they are aware of the potential violence they'd face and choose to play it off as something they don't know about instead. there are items of feminine clothing i'd love to wear, but i'm not going to last 15 minutes without some kind of horrifying response to it. wanting to be perceived as more masculine than you are isn't just an ego thing or about thinking it's better, it can very much be about safety

[fondsmiles]

Let me just contribute by saying I had a dream/idea when I was falling asleep whereby Dan releases a video with the title "I GOT MARRIED!" and in this video he treats it like a typical Reasons Why Dan's A Fail, never mentioning who he actually got married to, just giving us details about the reception and about all the times he coughed in a relative's face or fell down the aisle And then, at the very end, he looks straight in the camera and mimics, "But Dan, who did you get married to?". He laughs and goes "Who do you bloody think?"

Roll end screen and boom, subtle double coming out.

EDIT: I'm finding it really hard to change my avatar. As in, it won't let me Help??

This made my freaking morning. Whatever train this is, I'm jumping on it and holding on for dear life.

Anytime

Let's be honest though, if Dan and Phil came out, they would never show them kissing or anything. My cynical ass thinks they would give us the bare minimum (ie, we got married, have the new forever home) both because they're private people and also because of the backlash/insane fangirls fetishizing them.

when i woke up today i knew i had to post about my dream, and this fits perfectly now.
I dreamt that i watched a gaming video of the two of them, and when phil won, dan kissed him on the cheek. just like that. and then they moved on. and i remember getting on here and someone being like "oh btw did you see that moment, that was cute". it made me so happy in my dream, but in a very unexcited way.

this was not the first dream like that. I've dreamed about deppy being couple-y on camera very very casually, and people just accepting and liking it without making it a big thing, about twice before.
i kind of wish that was possible, i sometimes find it a bit sad that there's so much hype around their every move (although i am definitely not immune to that).

[socksparadox]

just a small comment i wanted to add (i'm not very good with all this serious conversation so i usually lurk and read other peoples responses), i have been made fun of before for liking dip n dot bc theyre mostly seen as youtubers for young teens or teen girls. (which i am not either of those lol), and it sucks because sometimes whenever i mention i like deppy, people will like.. either, not mind, or hate me for it. i've literally gotten blocked, defriended and just made fun of in general just cause i like deppy. and it sucks, cause a lot of people just see them as youtubers that young girls watch. but thats not the case. :/

edit: sorry if this was all over the place i just wanted to add my two cents even if its not that good

Oh god, same. I currently use a side of twitter that's nowhere near the phandom, and almost every time I've mentioned that I like deppy, I've been patronized for it. It sucks because I'm almost positive it happens because people associate dip n dot/all their fans with the youngsters on instagram and tumblr. Y'know, that side of the phandom. It upsets me so much when people (deppy, for example) are stigmatized because of their fanbase.

[Birdie]

As we've already discussed, deppy both don't really fit the bill when it comes to typical masculinity and I think a lot of straight cis men have issues with internalised gender roles here. "They don't act manly, if I like them that means that I might also not be perceived as masculine, this is not good", that kind of thought process. That's what's so toxic about that kind of masculinity. It's inherently misogynistic because interest in feminine coded stuff is always seen as worth less than interest in masculine coded stuff or even as funny/shameful.

a problem with this is that it isn't always just about the view of the person who likes the thing considered less masculine. you may be an AMAB person who is totally comfortable with doing things perceived as more feminine, but that doesn't necessarily mean other people will be. it's a lot easier to just avoid some youtube videos you might like than put up with annoying comments (and even potential violence depending on what the area you're in is like and how open you are about liking it). chances are there a lot more people who are not teenage girls who do like d+p but either don't watch, dont keep up to date any further or just deny liking them.

on higher levels, plenty of guys aren't going to find makeup funny or shameful or worse less, but they are aware of the potential violence they'd face and choose to play it off as something they don't know about instead. there are items of feminine clothing i'd love to wear, but i'm not going to last 15 minutes without some kind of horrifying response to it. wanting to be perceived as more masculine than you are isn't just an ego thing or about thinking it's better, it can very much be about safety

Agreed. I don't think my original post excludes anything you just said by the way. There are many reasons different people might not like deppy or pretend not to like them, I was just trying to offer one of many explanations. It wasn't necessarily just about ego either, I think internalised toxic masculinity goes way deeper than just that. It's more like... society's forcing men to present extra masculine. And someone who has internalised that kind of thing might think they have to present a certain way or aren't allowed to do something different so finding you like something feminine coded is going to be scary and you might even try to repress that feeling because you think it's wrong, therefore you pretend not to like it. And of course that's a huge problem. I meant this concept ("Men aren't allowed to like this, it's for girls!") was inherently misogynistic, not the men who suffer from it, just to make that clear! In a way we're speaking about the same issue, I think? But yeah, everything you just said is absolutely true so thanks for adding to my post!

Btw, I'm having massive problems expressing what I mean right now so if anything's unclear or I'm not making sense, please tell me. This is srs bsns and I don't wanna be misunderstood.

[relatablemood]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

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I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

[Ablissa]

Let me just contribute by saying I had a dream/idea when I was falling asleep whereby Dan releases a video with the title "I GOT MARRIED!" and in this video he treats it like a typical Reasons Why Dan's A Fail, never mentioning who he actually got married to, just giving us details about the reception and about all the times he coughed in a relative's face or fell down the aisle And then, at the very end, he looks straight in the camera and mimics, "But Dan, who did you get married to?". He laughs and goes "Who do you bloody think?"

Roll end screen and boom, subtle double coming out.

EDIT: I'm finding it really hard to change my avatar. As in, it won't let me Help??

[Offtopic]Oh my gosh, that is amazing Could I use your dream/idea as a phanfic prompt if I give you credit? It's totally fine if you don't want that
As for your avatar did you go to your profile -> edit profile -> edit avatar -> upload your picture somewhere and paste the link there?[/Offtopic]

I'd just like to add that I'm enjoying reading everyone's posts. I have some thoughts of my own, but I don't really want to participate as I'd hate to offend anybody, this is a rather tender subject. I agree with a lot of the points made here though

[jesp]

EDIT: I'm finding it really hard to change my avatar. As in, it won't let me Help??

[Offtopic]As for your avatar did you go to your profile -> edit profile -> edit avatar -> upload your picture somewhere and paste the link there?[/Offtopic]

That's how to do it, but if you're still having problems send me a message.

[malday]

If you're curious about IDB demographics there was a survey, results are on this thread: http://indepthbants.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=502

[hello9217]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

I'll answer some of these
1. I personally prefer Phil mainly because have a lot of stress in my life and Dan's doom and gloom attitude just really rubs me the wrong way. No matter what, it is very rare that I can watch something with Phil in it without smiling throughout the whole thing.
4. If dip and pop ever actually come out I already feel like thats the biggest step of all and would be proud of them for that-also keeping in mind that Dan basically came out with his diss track. I would never feel like they are ship baiting because they have never used 'phan' in really anything unlike an actual Youtube couple-like Zoe and Alfie, who use their ship, Zalfie, anyway they can. It may be an unpopular opinion but if they came out but not as a couple I would actually be ok with that because it's a good representation of qpr's.
6. I already answered what I found most annoying about Dan in the first question. I do think humor is how he copes with his own mental health but anytime anyone tells him to tone it down or expresses concern he goes on the defensive and chalks it up to people just not getting him.
The thing that annoys me about Phil is I wish he would share more. Unlike Dan, Phil actually did go to university and has somewhat alluded to the fact that he was sometimes pressured into going to parties or clubs and acting like a proper lad. I feel like a lot of people would love to hear Phil's own experience growing up around the idea of what it means to be a man and how he had to navigate through not living up to peoples perceptions of what a man is. Sometimes he just says these off handed comments that don't really hit you until someone like Oqua makes a compilation showing them to you.
7. I'm 20

[flarequake]

Interesting video from Doug

[somethingsketchy]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

1. The short answer: Phil. Joint content is the best, but if I had to name my favourite YouTuber, I'd say Phil.

2. I've never seen or shared voldy. (I've read a summary of the content, though.)

3. I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. Why would anyone want them to leave YT? I'm fine with the content we're getting now, but wouldn't be opposed to more videos.

4. I would probably raise my eyebrows
because I would find that unexpected, but in the end, their sexualities are none of my business really, so I would accept that and go on with my life.

5. No.

6. Dan: the bloody screeching
Phil: the fact that he refuses to share his opinions on anything serious

[simmehchan]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

Dan.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

Uhhh, many.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

I wish they did more gaming tbh.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

I think people would definitely just assume they're in a relationship. They already get accused of everyhing baiting, so I don't see it getting much worse than it is now.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

One of Dan's old selfies shows up on my phone's photo map at his parent's exact house. I am a stalker for other stuff too, though I really know I shouldn't.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

Dan - how edgelord and pretentious he can be, and how he talks down to his audience, like "oh i listen to this really cool obscure band, you guys won't have heard of them or care, they're called radiohead". Phil, probably the whole "oh i'm so wacky and weird haha" thing.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Just turned 18

[relatablemood]

[Offtopic]

I'm loving the responses thus far! And thank you for the advice on the avatar thing, I just thought you'd be able to upload from your computer like last time so I was confuse

Not sure who asked but I would love to have the concept made into a phanfic also!

[/Offtopic]

[goingbackto505]

[Offtopic]
:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

lol I kind of love this type of questions, mainly bc seeing different perspectives is pretty fascinating to me (even though it can result in some sort of unnecessary controversy ), so..

1) I'm totally a Phil person, both when it comes to their personas personalities and their content in general. I could write a whole post about why I love Phil so much, but I'm just gonna say that I don't really like 60-70% of Dan's videos (unpopular opinion, I know), while Phil's have this anxiety-reducing, positivity-igniting effect on me, Dan's on the other hand can stress me out a bit lol. and his ridiculous need to go out of his way to be #relatable straight up annoys me sometimes. I have a hard time understanding when he's being genuine or when he copies another tumblr post. so I tend not to take him seriously, although sometimes it's hard not to start over-analyzing his waffling and rants his "jokes" about wanting death and never going outside is one thing I can't stand the most, though. but overall, I love both Dip and Pip a lot and their gaming videos and collabs make me happy, so I try not to choose between them, since they're not in a competition and everything.

2) you mean have I ever shared voldy? because I don't think I've ever shared it with anyone lol but I do have it saved on my laptop (frankly I actually wish I wasn't aware of its existence in the first place, but it's being quoted and leaked all over youtube and other social media, so it was very hard to avoid finding out about the whole mess. and to think it's been 7 years and it's still being shared..)

3) I'd prefer if they did whatever makes them happy, honestly, it doesn't matter to me that much I guess? but I really miss their radio show and would love it if they started some sort of podcast together. basically anything where they could share their non-persona-heavy opinions and banter. would be interesting to see them act somewhere again and/or direct something (esp Phil). maybe another (actually proper and more honest this time) book would be nice? idk

4) I would have zero problem if that happened, because that's exactly what I think of them as both of them aren't straight, but personally I don't believe they're a thing. I see them as two platonic best friends (even though I can have my doubts from time to time, but who would blame me ). and as long as it's not queer baiting, they can 'shipbait' if they want to, it's not really that morally wrong since they've never said that they're anything other than friends, so it wouldn't be a lie, technically.

tbh I don't think they'll ever come out in a typical youtuber fashion, and their relationship status is not important to me either, I mean I don't watch them for the ship lol, so

5) nope, don't think so lol.

6) well, since I've basically shaded Dan in the first answer already.. not that I couldn't go more in-depth with the Dan shade, but when it comes to Phil, I suppose what I find the most annoying about him is that he doesn't allow himself to let go of the AmazingPhil™ persona as much as I would like him to (same thing with Dan and DINOF™) also the fact that he hardly ever expresses his opinions on various subjects. it's not annoying, exactly, but rather sad. I miss his pre-Dan type of videos and wish he would let us get to know him better. oh, and probably the most annoying thing is the way DnP deal, or rather not deal with their fanbase. they never speak up about anything anymore and hardly ever acknowledge anything (even their own wrongdoings). imo the way many phandom members treat the guys isn't okay and I wish they would say something.

7) I'm 23.

[blackdenim]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

I'm bored and I like talking about myself so I am responding to this!

1 - Honestly, I prefer Dan. He reminds me of my brothers and the boys I grew up with at school. That kind of slightly pretentious/arrogant and banter-y guy makes me feel very at home. I do like Phil (how could you not!) but he can be a bit 'children's TV presenter' for me sometimes, and it puts me off.

2 - I've never even watched it: if it's a joke, it's mean and it makes me want to un-stan. If it's true, it feels too invasive to watch it.

3 - I like them being on YT and I don't want them to stop. I'd like them to post more regularly on their own channels/side channels. And I'd love it if they did more TV or radio presenting.

4 - I think coming out as a couple is a bigger deal than 'officially' coming out as non-straight. It's pretty much confirmed that Dan isn't straight in my mind, and Phil is definitely more and more ambiguous by the day. If they came out as non-straight and didn't confirm a relationship but continued to act as they do now, I'd feel like they were ship-baiting (more than I already do but that's a contentious issue on here so I won't go into it!)

5 - I live in the area of London they used to live in and I worked dead opposite their old flat for a year (until recently). So I've known exactly where they lived from about 2012 when they filmed out of one of their windows and I saw something I recognised, to when they moved. I've never bumped into them though which I guess means the people who used to get 'I casually ran into D&P on my way home from work' selfies were actually doing some serious stalking.

6 - Dan: the way he talks down to Phil, his audience, everyone sometimes. His 'quality threshold' for his channel and how much he talks about it. Phil: the fact that (until recently) he was happy to perpetuate the 'precious angel'/'smol bean' type 'branding' the Phandom gave him. It irritated me that a 30 year old man was happy to be infantilised by (mainly) girls almost half his age.

7 - I'm 29 :/

[socksparadox]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

Good questions!

1. I've always preferred Phil. I think it's because I relate to Dan more but I prefer Phil's personality.

2. I don't recall ever sharing it I don't think? I've only seen it twice and then lost the link immediately after watching so I didn't have the opportunity to share it even if I've tried.

3. Personally, I've always enjoyed their own youtube content on their own channels as oppose to anything else they've branched out and done. I feel like it's what they know best and they seem most comfortable doing it.

4. I'd be elated tbh. I think them being open about it would have a positive impact on their younger audiences in terms of representation, but I do unfortunately feel like the debate about the dynamics of their relationship would get a bit more...intense? I fear that, if they came out as queer, people would see it as them opening the floodgates for a free-for-all in terms of invading their privacy and vehemently pressuring them and harassing them to discuss the nature of their relationship in-depth. (sorry if that sentence was a hot mess)

5. If you count delving into internet archives to look at their old accounts as stalking, then yes, I'm guilty of doing that. That's the worst I've done though.

6. Dan - I feel like he can get a bit too persona-heavy when he tries too hard to stay in-brand sometimes if that makes sense.
Phil - The ~uwu smol bean that needs to be protected~ façade got taken a bit too far at some points and it was just plain cringey.

7. I'm 16, which is on the younger side of the age demographic if I'm correct?

[pilotlight]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
I don't really have a preference, I like them both for different reasons. I think Dan's sarcasm is funny, and Phil makes me smile. I like their joint content a lot too.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
Never seen it.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
Imo they're both out already as not being straight.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
Nah, I don't really care where they live or about names of people who haven't chosen to be public.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dip's screaming, and Pip's food tweets are a bit much.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
I'm 26, which I think is pretty average for the users who post regularly but I think the actual average skews younger.

[obscureDnPreference]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

1. I prefer joint content over anything, but I think I prefer Dan's content. I feel like he has more classic content that I go back and watch. I also found the two of them through Dan's videos (Stalker Prank Call) so there's some nostalgia there. I love Phil and when I'm down, I go watch his stuff. I love both of their natural storytelling mannerisms. I honestly love them both.

2. When I was getting back into Dan and Phil a few months ago, I was catching up on what they've done in the last few years and someone referenced the video, which I had never heard of previously. I had no idea what it was and honestly thought it was a video on one of their main channels or something. I did find it and found myself smiling like an idiot, then felt like I was intruding. Knowing what I know now, I feel bad about watching it.

3. I selfishly want more consistent videos from the both of them (Dan especially), but I also don't want them to feel forced into making things they aren't proud of. So I'm content with them in this area. I love when they get off YT and do things like the interview with Sue Perkins.

4. In any other situation, I would say that coming out is a bigger deal than "hey I'm in a relationship." In this case, I'd say that them coming out as a couple would be a bigger deal than separate coming outs.

5. Nope.

6. Dan: sometimes he goes over the top with the fake crying and yelling. Phil: I would like to see some more non-persona Phil. I feel like he never gets out of it, even in live shows.

7. I'm 22.

[autumnhearth]

1. Sigh, probably Dan if I'm honest. I see more of myself in him and might have found him more attractive at the beginning. But I love Phil. He's delightful and getting better with age.
2. Once, privately.
3. Um, yes... I always want more. Where is the candle/things that ground me vlog?!
4. I'd be proud of them, if a bit surprised that they decided to. I would say the relationship is a bigger deal. And no, I don't see how either one of them coming out could be seen as shipbaiting.
5. Nah. I was curious last week about how easy it was to find their hotel based on the headboard and pillows, since others mentioned it. Very easy.
6. I have a hard time explaining what it is that annoys me about Dan sometimes, there is a certain way he talks sometimes, the opposite of soft and cute. But then I feel guilty that I might not be accepting of all of his personality and worry that I only want some pastel persona of him of, which isn't really true. I guess it's the edgelord thing. Phil, I dunno. I hate feeling lied to by him, more than Dan.
7. I'm 31.

[Moonbeamsonthepath]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
Dan. Phil seems nice and all, but I probably wouldn't be subscribed to him if it wasn't for Dan.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
Shared-never.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?
Took me a while to realize who you meant by dipper brothers. I do like them being on Youtube.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I feel like Dan has already come out in a way. Phil coming out would mean a lot lgbtq-community-wise. Them coming out as a couple would be different-it would feel good in the way it feels good when your favourite book or film otp ends up being together.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
possibly


6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan is really pretentious. Phil seems fake a lot of the time.

[Whommel]

Answers to gohomohowells questions:

1: I relate more to Dan and I tend to look at him more because he's so beautiful so I guess I prefer him. But if I could choose one of them to date, I would not hesitate for a second to choose Phil. I repeat: I relate more to Dan

2: I've seen it several times I must admit, but it does make you feel like the scum of the earth to watch something that's so clearly not meant for your eyes, doesn't it.

3: I prefer their Youtube content most, but would love to experience them on stage. I'm too new a fan to have had the chance to watch TATINOF.

4: Errr...I don't think no matter what that I'd ever accuse them of ship baiting no matter what they do. I do recognize that QPR's exist but I really don't think that's what they're in though. Far too much eye fucking.

5: A little, but not much and if I were to discover something myself I wouldn't tell a soul not even here. They and their families need their privacy. But I am extremely nosy and most of what's been revealed I've read. So I'm a consumer of gossip/info, not a bringer.

6: I've read what other people find annoying about them, but I don't really have anything myself regarding them right now. But 2012 No-Homo Howell on Tumblr is not a fun aquaintance and I avoid it, mostly because I can't help think about how it must have been to be Phil at that time and hear/read Dan say those things. Heartbreaking.

7: 39 and here to do my part in bringing up the average age.

Will also say that the post you made Sparkle was high quality and I will point any doubters towards it.

[idkwhattowrite]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I'm having a slow night so I hope no one minds if I throw in some answers to this one too!

1 - I would say Dan. I relate to him a lot more than Phil, which I'm sure contributes, but the type of content he makes just appeals to me more than a lot of Phil's main channel content. I also think that Dan shares more of himself with the internet, and I always find it easier to related to that. I also am way more likely to re-watch Dan's videos than I am to re-watch Phil's.

2 - I've watched it twice (with very differing reactions, tbh) but never shared it.

3 - I'm quite happy with what they're doing now, tbh. I'll also be really boring and say that I kind of look forward to seeing what they do going forward, whether that is staying on youtube, doing another radio show or something completely different. They're smart, know a lot about the entertainment industry and business savvy, so I trust that if they make a change then they're making it for the right reasons.

4 - I don't really know how to answer this (no shade, I just think my tired self can't work out the question properly), but her's an answer: I think they are as out as they ever will be, in the sense that I don't believe they'll ever be clearer about it than making throwaway comments like they are now. Which is more than fine by me. I think that, for them, coming out as a couple would be a bigger deal because it could and probably would affect their professional lives to some extent, although not as much now as a few years back.

5 - I honestly haven't. I clicked a link for the listing for their old London flat so I know where they used to live, but I didn't know that until 2 months after they had moved to the new place.

6 - Again, I'm pretty easy-going so very few things truly annoy me, but just to mention something. Dan: I sometimes get frustrated by his quality threshold, and with how he sometimes feels the need to defend his opinion before it's even been contested and a result comes across as condescending. But I also understand where that's coming from, to an extent. Phil: I wish he could be a little bit more outspoken about his opinions on things. It doesn't even have to be anything controversial/divisive. I just love the rare (but increasingly common) instances when he is assertive.

7 - I'm 28.

This was fun, it made my Wednesday night less boring

[Marika]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

It changes almost every time I watch a video - if I liked something Phil did/said/etc. I'd answer Phil, and the other way round with Dan. But I've got a weak spot for guys playing the piano and can identify with Dan more so... overall maybe I slightly prefer Dan? Then again Phil's videos have a higher chance of improving my mood on a really bad day. Honestly I don't know.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

None. And I doubt I would even if I had someone to share it with.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

I'm rather satisfied as long as I get at least 1-2 videos/live streams a week but I'd definitely welcome more regular content on their main channels (especially Dan's) as long as that wouldn't drag down the quality.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

First of all I'd be really happy about it and for them. Then I'd wonder what that meant for their relationship and might be a bit disappointed... But in the end not coming out about their relationship doesn't deny a romantic one so regarding that it's be the same as now.
I'd think generally coming out as a couple would be easier because you wouldn't be alone?
Definitely wouldn't take it as ship baiting.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

I wanted to say NO WAY but... After their moving out video I searched for the bus driving down their road, trying to find their house. But then I got distracted by video bus tours through London and before I found the correct bus I stumbled across their address in an instagram comment. Anyway, in my defence, I was looking for their house out of pure curiosity and fun and they'd already moved by then. Wouldn't wanna try that again, though.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

That's actually pretty difficult for me as I'm not a very critical person. Dan's extremely negative comments about himself in his tinder video made me sad and a bit annoying at first but then I remembered he was (mostly) joking or exaggerating.
Can't say anything that annoys me about Phil.

7. What's the average age on this site?

I'm 23.

[dailybooth]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

Phil. Dan annoys me sometimes (love him dearly tho). Phil constantly intrigues me.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

Never shared it. Watched it twice.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

I like them on YouTube. I think it would be cool if they did some more short flim-y vids. As for off YouTube content, I'm down for whatever they want to do.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

(I think Dan has already done this tbh) I think coming out as a couple would be a bigger deal just BC of the monster that is Phan™

5. Have you ever stalked too far?
No

6. Most annoying thing about DnP?
Dan- pretentiousness
Philly- predictability

7. I'm a baby...I'm 17.

[queerofcups]

[Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

Oh I popped in at the right time, i love lists of questions.
1. Danthaniel, largely because I identify with him pretty hardcore and I feel like Phil's privacy/closed-offness can sometimes make it hard to know even little bits of his current personality to identify with.

2. Shared? Once. Watched? Several.

3. Lord. Bless their non-acting hearts. I'm fine with seeing them on Youtube and I enjoyed seeing them in a non-youtube context with the Sue Perkins interview, I just don't want to see them in any more acting gigs.

4. I'd think "...I mean, are you sure?" but otherwise be pretty non-plussed about it after I got over the initial surprise. As for the other question-- six in one hand, half dozen in the other. Regardless, they're gonna get pigeon-holed into being "those gay youtubers" and people will assume that they're actually together if they aren't and it would fundamentally change their presence on youtube, just a question of to what tenor. (i also get irrationally annoyed at "shipbaiting" but that's a whole other post)

5. Flip- echoing others here, but I really want more of Phil's personality, I want to know his opinions and things he likes and dislikes, because he's said it not because we've intuited it and I don't think that's incompatible with his persona. But I also think its totally his right to not share those things.

Dip- a whole fucking suite of things but mostly a tie between his delusions of an edgelord and his dedication to using whatever trendy word the internet is using on a particular week which, lbr, is appropriated AAVE 85% of the time