Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

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[socksparadox]

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I had a feeling it was only a matter of time until this happened after the golf vid

[citizen_erased]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
Honestly, I prefer Dan. His sense of humor is much close to mine, and Phil's 'quirkiness' sometimes REALLY annoys me. Like all of the random animal sounds and weird faces and things like that? Ugh. I do enjoy a lot of Phil's videos but I'm also generally more neutral about those than about Dan's videos.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
I've only seen like the first 20 seconds maybe in a moment of unguarded curiosity, then clicked it away because I really felt like I was infringing on something incredibly private and I felt incredibly guilty about it. Never shared it.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?
Obviously I like them being on youtube I do sometimes wish they'd do more but then I also wonder if by getting more we'd get some kind of over-saturation and lose interest.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
Honestly? I'd love to say 'I'd stay calm and think "good on you, you do you" ' but idk, I might also be really excited if they really, properly, unequivocally came out, but that's mostly because I grew up very isolated as a queer person so it feels like i'm constantly starving for more lgbt creators & content. But as for the couple thing: I'd both love for them to be a couple and for them to be actual queer non-romantically involved best friends so either outcome is totally fine by me.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
oh god no. I have never done that with any kind of celebrity even in my most obsessive times, and I'm not about to start now. I don't even read phan fiction because it feels creepy.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan: well he's a pretentious one isn't he. Sometimes all the "look at me reading ~~philosophy~~ and thinking about politics" really bugs me, but then I read philosophy and think about politics so honestly I'm equally pretentious and shouldn't complain also a very, very personal one that's hard to explain: that thing Dan does with the making up words and changing words slightly? (insert word here)-rino and all that? It bugs me, because my mom does a similar thing. But my mom does it because she literally can't find the right words because of brain tumors & epilepsy, and me and my family have basically build up a separate vocabulary to kind of know what my mom is talking about, and often we still don't know and have to spend ages trying to figure out what's going on. It just makes me a bit uncomfortable, but like I said, for very personal reasons. also who the fuck uses internet slang while actually talking out loud please stop

Phil: like I said before, the random animal sounds and the 'look how quirky I am' annoy me. I know it's been his thing since literally the beginning but he also shows this different side sometimes that's a bit more actually witty and jokey (about Dan, especially) and I just really prefer that side.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
idk about the average age but I'm 27.

man I feel so incredibly salty about these two now I promise I love both of them!

[nephilimcat]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

Phil, he is very intriguing and much more mysterious than Dan as his AP persona seems a lot different from Phil than the DINOF persona from Dan. I also think it's very impressive how he handles the business stuff, Dan seems a bit embarrassed by merch plugs and losing integrity and Phil doesn't seem to care at all, even joking about having no integrity on his channel. And to be superficial: I am more attracted to him, he looks very unique and beautiful, I mean, have you seen that man's face?

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

Never shared it, never seen it, never plan on doing either.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

I'd love to see something else from them but I am also quite happy with their content atm. I'd love for Phil to do something with his creativity or them doing something together that isn't tied to their YouTube channels. Something a lot more professional and different from what they've done so far would be amazing. Direct that horror movie, Phil!

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

Well, they are out in my opinion, though in Phil's case I understand that many people would not know about it. Dan has made it very obvious though and it's tiring to see that people still think he is in the closet or something. I think in their case confirming a relationship would be a bigger deal than being out, which is quite rare, I think. And I am not going into the whole shipbaiting thing because it almost always ends in a queerbaiting discussion

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

Not really. I searched for their old flat on listings because I was curious how it was advertised but since they didn't live there anymore at the time and the photos were shared by Phil before, I don't think it really counts as stalking. It's definitely the most stalking I've ever done. I don't remember accidentally coming across something either.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

Dan: he can be so obnoxious and I really hate when he screams like a banshee
Phil: sometimes his persona frustrates me a bit because I know how creative he can be and how smart he is

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

I am 19

[sentinel]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
Dan, hands down. I just relate to him more, down to the existential crisii. Not that I don't like Phil, I just don't truly understand him the way I do Dan.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
None lol I keep it for personal consumption only

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?
Danyl could start uploading more frequently than twice a year POSSIBLY??? 2012-13 sucked BUT US DANGIRLS HAD CONTENT AT LEAST

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I'd be kinda sad tbh. They seem like a perfect match but after all if they are gay and not together it's not like I'm in their shoes and I can't feel what they feel. As for coming out, I like the secrecy. I think they've grown to see it as this little game of ours (Moriarty voice). I think they are together but don't want to risk the stigma of being *the* gay couple of youtube. So they just drop hints because it entertains them and it entertains us while keeping casual viewers out of it.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
Sadly yeah. But it's always been casual stumble upon lmao. Public information in government registers. Dan's mum popping as a connection I might know on linkedin. For a while I could stalk them on facebook too.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Screaming. I'll mcfreaking lose it one day and then I'll bill him for the laptop I broke because of his annoying and incessant screaming.
Phil no longer feels genuine. He's 30, not 13 and I think he will benefit from moving a bit away from the sunshine bean persona. Give me deep voice Phil. I deserve it.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
Am I supposed to guess? I'd say we average out to 24-5 when you factor in adults with kids that write here and teenagers.

[SquishPhan]

1. Phil.
2. Zero times. Have never even finished watching voldy.
3. I like them on Youtube and want them to stay there, but I will also be fine with some other projects on the side.
4. For me they have already come out as non-straight. And I don't think they are ship baiting.
5. Nope.
6. I have to side with the people that mentioned Dan's screaming, because that can be really annoying. Also I think he takes himself a bit too serious at times.
As for Phil, I have to say he doesn't really annoy me, but I would like for him to share more with us (though I do think he gives opinions on things, but that people don't always hear it for some reason).
For the most part though they don't annoy me too much which is why I enjoy watching them.
7. I'm 26.

[000dia000]

I really enjoyed hearing people's discussion here on female audience and misogyny and putting down women's interests, etc. Funny enough, it wasn't something I realized was a thing until people called out the deppy's Sunday Time's article for blatantly doing this. It was only then I realized how I was suspecible to judging things by the number of female fans it has and how people constantly do this. That, and how the person presents themselves. If the person (mostly women) isn't hot, what's the point of watching? If the person seems gay, then how are you able to watch without feeling repulsed? Surface level, people just seem to be artificial, defensive, and insecure about what they choose to watch. I remember showing deppy to my brother, he found them funny and didn't hate them, but immediately just called them "gay" afterwards and left it at that. He already made up his mind. I do believe that people are very basic and are not that complex of creatures. I also don't think everybody is born completely free of judging people based upon who they are, people are usually shaped by society and also changing themselves and how they view and judge people.

Strange enough, no matter how charismatic and talented, and how brilliant your videos are, if you don't fit into the whole "straight, white, cis man" category, you're doing something wrong and are already a step behind. For some reason, the only YouTubers that seem to be discussed on reddit are men (big surprise) and the usual types like Phil de Franco, H3H3 and every other bro that fits that channel mould. Never anything more, and even though at certain standards some users can have trash videos, they could still have a larger recognition. I

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

1. I hate them both. but Phil.
2. None.
3. I think they're lazy bastards.
4. Consider, they're probably both already "out." Also, Scomiche and if that is shipbaiting. Probably, then.
5. I have been a whistle blower in many a group chat.
6. They have "go to" answers and repeat the same things constantly. Favourite movies. TV shows. Opinions. Memories. Feelings. It's difficult to sieve through and find something new and HUMAN. Mostly Phil. Also Dan needs to sort himself out.
7. I'm 19

[obscureDnPreference]

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:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

Hmm, my question answers. In advance i'm sorry for number 2 and 5.

1. I alternate, but if you had to ask me. Honestly, truly, probably Phil. Every instinct tells me to go with Dan but Phil seems more reliable and dependable. Phil frustrates me sometimes, but Dan is the only one of the two to ever genuinely piss me off. So whilst I might prefer Dans content, Phil is the one who I'd stick with if I had to pick one. Also Phil is who I go to when I need comfort, more so than Dan. Dan I go to laugh with, but I need comfort more than I need laughter.

2. technically three times, but in reality twice. And never to anyone in the phandom. I wish I'd never found out about it tbh.

3. I'd like them to do more adult content more than anything, on or off YouTube. I miss them working with the BBC - I miss having a reason to give a shit about Radio One. I'd like them to work with Channel 4 if possible, I think they're very suited to that. If they ever did anything with ITV I'd be annoyed, because I personally cannot stand ITV and think they're better than the vast majority of stuff on ITV.

4. I would be curious. I think i'd see it as a phan confirmation because I 99.999998% believe in phan anyway, unless they confirmed otherwise. If either of them were to come out and say they were with someone else, i'd be very curious and impressed that they hid it so well. I wish they'd talk about GSM stuff more in general though, like I don't think they have to say anything about their sexualities but i'd love to know their opinions. I just want them to talk about this, and many other sociopolitical topics basically

5. oh boy. So I've found 'the usual' going too far stuff in like 2012-2014, like the dailybooths and stuff. But for other stuff, I did once get lost on their old street in London by accident in 2014 - which is where I met Patty Walters - but that was an accident and I didnt connect that it was their street until about May this year when I found out their entire address when trying to find out what halls Dan was in. Which was a surreal moment. But recently I've found out way too much about what Adrian is currently up to and it makes me feel really fucking uncomfortable. I didnt even mean to find out anything about him and it makes me upset that I have found it.

I did go through a period in 2014 of getting VERY invasive with Dan and found a few things that upset me quite a bit, but would mean nothing to anyone else, and I feel like I've learned my lesson from that.

6. most annoying thing about Phil is his stubbornness to drop his innocent persona. If the guy set up an 18+ patreon where you pay £5 a month to access an 18+ livestream where he talks about everything and anything and has no language filter I would love it. Sometimes I feel like i'm watching CBBC with Phil - give me that post-watershed Channel 4 Philip. I don't mean quite that TV show where everyone is naked, but maybe a little more 'bitch' and a little less 'bish'

the most annoying thing about Dan, to me personally, is how flaky he can be with videos. How much he teases and hypes, only for it to be ISG 94. I would love him to just say fuck it and make whatever the fuck he wanted, honestly my dream for Dan would be for him to have dinof for comedy, dini for streams, and then a new channel for the content he'd make if YouTube was a hobby again. Like have his main revenue come from IRL/dinof/dini/DAPG but to just have this one channel where its pure unfiltered Dan? I'd love that, in a way that I don't like about the livestreams. Politics me up Danny fire.

7. idk but I'm 22 and I think the average age would be ranged in their 20s

[relatablemood]

Hehe, I'm smiling ear to ear now reading all of these responses! I should do more in the future.... only when it's slow, though, as I wouldn't want to derail.

So, let's break down things a bit and discuss. A vast majority seem to prefer Phil, claim to be very respectful of boundaries in regards to not watching voldy/stalking and think Dan's a pretentious twot at times And hey, here's my theory...

You're all mature, wise adults

And sparkle, I love it! Totally worth the money spent

It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

[arequian]

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:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

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I really like this questions gohomohowell!

1. I don't prefer one's content over the other's really, but if I have to choose between their personas/personalities then I guess... Dan's? I don't know, I'm basing this on how often I get annoyed with them (because apparently I can't think of anything positive about them right now), and it might just be that I don't like hearing about Phil's family and he brings them up a lot.

2. I have seen it, but I have never shared it.

3. I don't want them to do less, that's for sure . I think I would like another big project (not as big as the bour), and I miss the radio show. I'd also be happy if they made the livestreams in DAPG something reular.

4. I think Dan has already come out, and I wouldn't mind if Phil did too. I think it's getting less and less of a big deal as time passes, and I'm happy for them.

5. Nope, though I have never actively tried to find anything.

6. Dan: In his liveshows when he starts talking about something interesting and then goes “No one wants to hear me talk about this”. Oh, and his “relatable” content, mostly because I don't find it relatable at all.
Phil: His robot tweets. I just don't want to hear about how his blood is now *insert food* ever again.

7. I'm 19.

[queerofcups]

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan: well he's a pretentious one isn't he. Sometimes all the "look at me reading ~~philosophy~~ and thinking about politics" really bugs me, but then I read philosophy and think about politics so honestly I'm equally pretentious and shouldn't complain ....[/size]

This is totally me getting my own personal shit all over your post so feel free to ignore, but I sometimes feel like literally any time Dan mentions something that isn't mainstream people love to call him ~pretentious~ and it gets under my skin so bad. Because I, well I don't read philosophy anymore. But I used to read queer theory, and listen to less well-known bands, and think about politics and I don't think just talking about shit that's interesting doesn't automatically equal being pretentious?

like, don't get me wrong, Dipthong is totally a pretentious asshole (though i think he's toned it down in the last year) but sometimes he's...literally just talking about shit that he likes and people are still like ohhhhh my gooood so preteeeeentious.

[yellowsubmarine]

I'm procrastinating from revising so yes, this is perfect right now.

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:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

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I don't have eloquent answers as many of you do here, so I will just answer with the first thing that comes to mind.

1. I prefer Dan. I love Phil too, but Dan just won't let me go. I don't know what's his problem.

2. Just saw it once, never shared it.

3. Of course: on youtube I found them, on youtube I want them. I don't know, really, what they're doing right now is fine to me. Maybe more frequent main channel uploads and an actual schedule (and no to cancelling liveshows, damn it Dan).

4. I'll answer this in the same order of the question. Not suprising to me, I already think they're both queer. Coming out as a couple is bigger to me because I believe the mayority of the people don't think they're straight, at least not Dan. Phil coming out as not-straight may come as bigger a surprise than Dan, is what I think. But as a couple, that would be huge. As for coming out as not a couple, well... I guess I would just accept that I was mistaken and all that I saw as coupley things was just friendly and leave it at that.

5. Nope, don't think so. My knowledge of phandom secrets is kind of shallow, I know what the mayority already know and don't really feel like digging too deep.

6. Right. This is hard because I don't find either of them annoying at all. When Phil tells where he is or what he is doing and explains it with "I was here" "I went there" "I feel like", etc. But then we find out they were actually together there, and sometimes Dan includes them both, but Phil doesn't. Bothers me just a bit.
Depending on my mood, Dan's self-deprecation bothers me; if he is down, I feel down. If he is happy, I'm happy. I really don't get bothered by him, I think I tolerate his shit too much.

7. I'm 26. A month older than Dan, ha.


I do this weird thing where I read everyone's answers first and in a subconscious level let them influence my own, but I didn't do that this time. So now I'm off to read all of your answers. This was fun!

[liola]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

Phil. I love Dan with my heart, I relate to him a lot - I think we'd be great friends in real life, it seems like we have the same kind of humor and taste in most things. Which is why I think I'm so so drawn to Phil. There's just something about him that fascinates me, I find his mind brilliant and quirky and I'd love to have a serious conversations with him. It also helps that I'm so incredibly attracted to him, the man has the kind of beauty that once you see you can't ever not think about it

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

Never shared it. I found it late, around 2014, when I still thought most of the shipping was just..shipping. Watching it changed my entire perspective. And I felt so bad after, like I had intruded something too personal.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

I'm happy with them being on Youtube, I wouldn't mind if they ever released that super serious super real documentary about their story

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

As someone who is fan of Superfruit, who shipbait A LOT, I can honestly say Iìve never, not once, thought Dip and Pip shipbait. So if they ever came out without mentioning being together, I'd be very surprised, but not upset. I think neither of them really likes labels though, and I'd think in their case it'd be way more powerful to come out as a couple - confirming their non.straightness - than anything else.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

I don't think so, no. And, sorry, I tried. I'm that kind of nosy person, what can I say. Sorry

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

Sometimes the dinof persona is a bit too much for me to handle, and there are videos from the past especially where I find myself rolling my eyes at Dan. Not recently I gotta say.

Phil..I just wish we knew more about HIM. I wish he opened up a bit for us, let us know his opinions on serious topics. I wish he'd show some more mature humor and my guilty pleasure is still to hear him swear. I'm a simple person, and I fit the stereotype of the italian that curse a lot. I know. I know. Fite me.

To answer the last question, I'm 25.

[SquishPhan]

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Lol, this was not what I expected, but I liked it nonetheless.

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And sparkle, I love it! Totally worth the money spent

I just want to clarify I didnt buy the website! I was just watching it with somethingsketchy and wrote it down because it made me laugh, and then we discovered some utter ledge had bought the domain

[citizen_erased]

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan: well he's a pretentious one isn't he. Sometimes all the "look at me reading ~~philosophy~~ and thinking about politics" really bugs me, but then I read philosophy and think about politics so honestly I'm equally pretentious and shouldn't complain ....[/size]

This is totally me getting my own personal shit all over your post so feel free to ignore, but I sometimes feel like literally any time Dan mentions something that isn't mainstream people love to call him ~pretentious~ and it gets under my skin so bad. Because I, well I don't read philosophy anymore. But I used to read queer theory, and listen to less well-known bands, and think about politics and I don't think just talking about shit that's interesting doesn't automatically equal being pretentious?

like, don't get me wrong, Dipthong is totally a pretentious asshole (though i think he's toned it down in the last year) but sometimes he's...literally just talking about shit that he likes and people are still like ohhhhh my gooood so preteeeeentious.

Hmm, I do get your point. And yes he's a pretentious asshole But I think it's specifically the way he talks about things sometimes? Plus philosophy and politics especially, together with art, are generally seen as very pretentious to begin with.

I'm someone who absolutely loves reading theories and backgrounds and way overthinking things, and it does upset me that I get called pretentious as well when I'm really just genuinely excited about it (which is a whole different can of worms that goes back to a lot of bullying throughout my life.) And I definitely have no issue with people talking about shit that's interesting. Please, I wish both of them would talk about more in-depth things more often because I love me a bit of intelligent discussion and these two are very intelligent boys with obviously a lot of opinions. But, again, with Dan specifically I think it sometimes comes down more to the way he talks about it, not the topic itself, though I can't think of specific examples right now. I just know that sometimes he says something and I go "uuuuuuuuuuurghhhh dude".

(I say "intelligent discussion" and end my own post with "basically ugh". Sorry about that. It's late and I'm tired and not nearly as eloquent as I'd like to be. I might come back and explain a bit more tomorrow? I used to have a lot of thoughts on pretentiousness but I need to think about it for a moment to really phrase it right.)

[twix]

re: Q5: once i was looking for dan and nick jonas crack art so I set out to google "dan howell and nick jonas" and got as far as "dan howell and" before google suggested completing the query with what i can only assume is dan's ex girlfriend's full name.

[goingbackto505]

It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

the Dan-focus is just the usual thing that typically happens when it comes to the phandom, sadly. I wish the guys would receive equal amounts of appreciation and attention, because honestly, they both deserve it and both are equals. it's just I suppose Dan says so much shit and Phil.. Phil tends to get over-looked and unfairly ignored. some of it has to do with the fact that dangirls exist , (I don't mean here, on IDB, but just in general) but I think the main reason for it would be that Phil doesn't share that much, usually. you need to pay attention and become interested in him to get more insight. he's never controversial, either. on one hand it's a pretty smart thing to do and allows him more privacy (hence people don't stalk his family members *cough*), and it also protects him in a lot of ways, which is good. but on the other, it can be frustrating sometimes. he seems like such a wonderful and interesting person and it's really a shame he feels like he can't be more open. though yes, it's also understandable, and it's not like he owes us anything. but still, I do want more Phil I also feel like he kind of lets Dan over-shadow him most of the time. even though it's been getting a bit better these days, at least imo, he acts somewhat less persona-y in his videos, like in his collabs with Anthony he seemed more like the radio show!Phil and less like the Phil we see in most of his AP stuff. he's more flirty and more confident and one day I hope the phandom will finally realize that he's neither "pure" nor "innocent" just because he chooses not to swear on the internet.
TL;DR: Dan is loud and overwhelming and he creates this /illusion/ that he's the most relatable person for everyone ever, and Phil is the opposite, so I guess that's why it happens everywhere? that being said though, I actually don't think Phil has ever annoyed me in the true sense of the word, it's more the way the phandom tends to see him as/ignore him that pisses me off.

[lemon something]

I love an opportunity to be opinionated. Thank you gohomohowell!

1 – Dan. It’s narcissism probably. I see a lot of myself in him and unfortunately that includes his faults. I love Phil with all my heart though.

2 – I haven’t shared, though I have saved it. I know it’s intrusive and wrong, but in an emotional emergency watching it restores my faith in the world like nothing else.

3 – Of course! I only ever want more.

4 – See, I don’t even get this question. To me they’re both out. Unambiguously. What do they have to do for people to listen? Considering their fame and career, I’d say coming out as a couple is the bigger deal and I’d understand if they chose not to. It’s really their business. Ideally, I’d love a cute deps relationship reveal though. Everyone’s like “think of the young people” but nah, think of us oldies. It would be great to see that everyone doesn’t have their life and their sexuality sorted out by the age of 20.

5 – No. Nothing I’d want to know would be accessible through stalking anyway. I want to know their deepest thoughts, not their parent’s addresses.

6 – Danticle forgets his audience knows things too. Phosphorus is too guarded and doesn’t let us see enough of who he is.

7 – Same as Whommel! And on a wider point, I don’t understand why they’re not supposed to appeal to me. They’re likeable, entertaining, intelligent adults. I think it needs more explanation why 12 year olds like them tbh (not that they’re not perfectly welcome to).

[000dia000]

It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.

Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.

Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.

Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.

I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over

[sparkle]

re: Q5: once i was looking for dan and nick jonas crack art so I set out to google "dan howell and nick jonas" and got as far as "dan howell and" before google suggested completing the query with what i can only assume is dan's ex girlfriend's full name.

Okay so I typed in 'dan howell and' into google after seeing this out of curiosity to see what would pop up. Idk wtf is in my metadata but the top suggestion was 'dan howell and emma blackery fan fiction'.

thanks google xx

[jaej]

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
dan

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
i think i've sent it to 2 people before? had a copy on my laptop a couple years ago but deleted it in 2014/5, i think

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?
if they had something good to do on tv/radio then yes, definitely, but i don't want their main content to be abandoned for cringey shows or something. youtube is safe

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
them coming out just isn't a thing i care about anymore. there are going to be some very obnoxious responses if they come out but not as a couple and if they come out as a couple, so i'd just accept that whatever one they'd gone for was what they'd planned out and decided was the best option

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
anyone remember the phantaray radio livechat? i used to lurk in them like every week and never talk and one week a user (who said she used a friend's tumblr url) said she'd met a youtuber at a festival who'd confirmed d+p to her. i followed that user at the time, knew who her main friend was on tumblr, went to that page and the girl had not only posted about meeting that youtuber a while before, but had said elsewhere that the youtuber had told her too much gossip, that she'd had her otp confirmed the weekend they met. could just be coincidences, but the person in the chat also said that the youtuber she met was in a relationship with another, and this fact wasn't confirmed for another couple of months, so that felt like more of a confirmation.
not really stalking, but it felt weird knowing when there were like 30 or something other people in the chat and idk how many others knew the girls real tumblr and stuff. that confirmation is still my main reason for believing theyre together tbh


6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
in general the whole 'smol wholesome bean uwu' thing annoys me and phil veers close enough to that for me to put off. i'm also not into the super positive, quirky, familial love, ignoring world issues stuff. just feels obnoxious to me idk
for dan, i wish he'd talk about his interests more like he starts on liveshows or says he should do on the side channel. doesn't make content he clearly wants to and would be good at

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
i am recently 20 and mourning my teenage years jk

[blackdenim]

re: Q5: once i was looking for dan and nick jonas crack art so I set out to google "dan howell and nick jonas" and got as far as "dan howell and" before google suggested completing the query with what i can only assume is dan's ex girlfriend's full name.

Okay so I typed in 'dan howell and' into google after seeing this out of curiosity to see what would pop up. Idk wtf is in my metadata but the top suggestion was 'dan howell and emma blackery fan fiction'.

thanks google xx

Google obviously has your number I got "Dan Howell and Phil Lester", "and Dodie", and "and Adrian Howell".

I realised after I'd done it that I was signed into my boss's Gmail (I monitor her email for work I'm not trying to give myself a payrise I swear) so I bet she's going to get some funny suggested searches/YT vids now!

[liola]

It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.

Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.

Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.

Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.

I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over

I'm much too tired to say anything complex but can I just say I love love love this entire thing you've written about Phil. I read this with my mouth hanging open and just..yes. I wish I could form a coherent sentence.