Dan & Phil Part 55: DOWN IT! DOWN IT! DOWN IT!

[deppytrash]

EDIT: "...and annoying my friends, and Dan" - I love that Phil puts Dan in a separate category from his friends.

I guess the contract from hiring dan to be his friend must have expired

And with it their contract to take photos of each other. RIP.

See, danisnotafriend. They secretly hate each other. It's proof.

(Edit: Oh lord, top of the page. I'm so sorry...)

[whelpkeeper]

I liked the liveshow quite a bit! I forgot how much I missed his soothing, soothing voice. Plus the lava lamp was a nice ambiance enhancer

Quick notes- I definitely want to hear more about Dan's family thing but I probably never will so whatever. Also, way to gloss over the Tom Daley bants I wanted maybe the family thing was a cover-up and jealous boyfriend Dan was really in the background going and keeping things PG

I hope that Dan physically appears in the Clothes video too, a faceless voice would disappoint. Also maybe possibly please film it in the Moon Room? Thank you. :ccc:

Waiting to see the Louise collab before I judge: I think babies are both cute and gross depending on the day so we'll see how I feel either way I'm looking forwards to it dropping

I'm definitely not a pro-dream analyzer but why not try: I'll 100% wager that his dream was spurred on by anxiety, whether it be around travel, planning, letting his loved ones down, etc. The false taxi probably represents his fears of being deceived due to his trusting nature: he trusted the cab would be safe but it wasn't, putting his loved ones in danger. This shows concern over him directly put his family in harms way, and fear over anything bad befalling them. The "pillowman" must have represented these fears, and his pleading to escape the cab would show him trying to escape those fears. If so, the way Dream-Phil ultimately handled the situation might be promising since Phil directly confronted them in his dream-scape by literally facing them head on, unmasking his fears and attempting to find resolution: that would show development in Phil's willingness to confront his fears.

...then again I'm a hack-job analyst so what do I know

EDIT: "...and annoying my friends, and Dan" - I love that Phil puts Dan in a separate category from his friends.

I guess the contract from hiring dan to be his friend must have expired

And with it their contract to take photos of each other. RIP.

DnP Insider was on to something after all I wonder if the NDA expires with it, what kind of tea will we get??

[casualIDBstalker]

Just out of curiosity, do you think Dan & Phil were asked to be a part of HelloWorld? I was watching a video & Alfie said there are people that are a part of it but he can't disclose who they are. Seems like most of the British (not just British)YouTubers are involved so I'm curious if they also are. The list involved seems to be growing.


*for those unaware, HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

[Phantasy]

Dan's 'gone out to a family thing' and I'm crying because I'm curious and I'll probably never know.
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[alch]

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[Ewok]

I liked the liveshow quite a bit! I forgot how much I missed his soothing, soothing voice. Plus the lava lamp was a nice ambiance enhancer

Quick notes- I definitely want to hear more about Dan's family thing but I probably never will so whatever. Also, way to gloss over the Tom Daley bants I wanted maybe the family thing was a cover-up and jealous boyfriend Dan was really in the background going and keeping things PG

I hope that Dan physically appears in the Clothes video too, a faceless voice would disappoint. Also maybe possibly please film it in the Moon Room? Thank you. :ccc:

Waiting to see the Louise collab before I judge: I think babies are both cute and gross depending on the day so we'll see how I feel either way I'm looking forwards to it dropping

I'm definitely not a pro-dream analyzer but why not try: I'll 100% wager that his dream was spurred on by anxiety, whether it be around travel, planning, letting his loved ones down, etc. The false taxi probably represents his fears of being deceived due to his trusting nature: he trusted the cab would be safe but it wasn't, putting his loved ones in danger. This shows concern over him directly put his family in harms way, and fear over anything bad befalling them. The "pillowman" must have represented these fears, and his pleading to escape the cab would show him trying to escape those fears. If so, the way Dream-Phil ultimately handled the situation might be promising since Phil directly confronted them in his dream-scape by literally facing them head on, unmasking his fears and attempting to find resolution: that would show development in Phil's willingness to confront his fears.

...then again I'm a hack-job analyst so what do I know

EDIT: "...and annoying my friends, and Dan" - I love that Phil puts Dan in a separate category from his friends.

I guess the contract from hiring dan to be his friend must have expired

And with it their contract to take photos of each other. RIP.

DnP Insider was on to something after all I wonder if the NDA expires with it, what kind of tea will we get??

I loved your analysis! The dream having an overall theme of facing your fears seems spot on to me. I'm a firm believer that more often than not your dreams mean something. (In my experience dreams are brought on by something going on irl.) Phil sure gave us a lot to analyze with that one.

Also if I'm being totally honest if DnP Insider was right (lolol) and they came out with this huge scandal about faking their friendship etc etc... I would live for that tell all.

[mermaid blood]

phil is SO bubbly and hyper in this liveshow. i wonder if he had a few coffees during the day with the movie, the filming etc. maybe he was just a bit more free being home alone. i hope dan has a nice time with his family tonight.

the youtube thing next week...i feel like i *don't* want it to be Hello World, but i can't articulate why?
the Louise collab will be interesting. i'm looking forward to them reacting to baby related stuff, but Louise has left me with a sour taste in my mouth the last while so i'm going in with low expectations. their chemistry is fun to watch though, if they've been able to pick it up from where they last left off.

the dream - i love when phil shares his anxiety nightmares with us (have we ever learned about any good ones? lol). the part where he was accused of being a witch is far more interesting to me than the travel anxiety he can readily admit to. he's been noticeably more open lately, more expressive, more daring verbally and in subtle ways (eg. his twitter likes). i wonder if his subconscious is carrying a little bit of fear and paranoia related to ostracisation, taboo and guilt/disapproval as a result.

edit: almost forgot to comment on the 'my friends...and dan' - adorable. reminded me of the black & gold dress discussion a few years ago where he referred to dan as family.

[mintsans]

HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

this reads like it was written by an out of touch 50+ year old creative director in a PR agency

I usually listen to liveshows live while working, like a podcast as Phil says and I enjoy them greatly especially Phil's but today's liveshow was Phil's voice sounded even nicer than normal. I was almost having ASMR. He should consider making a career out of audiobook recording or something like that.

[alch]

HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

this reads like it was written by an out of touch 50+ year old creative director in a PR agency

I mean does anyone younger than 50 ever actually call this generation "the iPhone generation"

[lefthandedism]

[Offtopic]

HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

this reads like it was written by an out of touch 50+ year old creative director in a PR agency

I mean does anyone younger than 50 ever actually call this generation "the iPhone generation"

Indeed. But I think "this generation" (by which I'm assuming we're referring to what I've been calling the post-Millennials) better come up with its own name fast. There's already a book out called "iGen" . I think generation names are insidiously stupid, but at least "Millennial" is a pretty word, and "Generation X" was cemented as a name by a book written by a member of the generation.[/Offtopic]

[mermaid blood]

i would venture to say a lot of tweens and teenagers also wouldn't get the Woodstock reference.

i think it's a summary from a pitch to get middle+ aged investors to invest. the thing that makes me think it's not that is it's unlikely they wouldn't have advertised dan and phil at the ticket selling stage, they're such a big draw. having them as a surprise is sort of odd. i saw someone say youtubers react maybe? is it too early in the year to be filming that?

[casualIDBstalker]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't write the description for Hello World, it's from the website - I just copied & pasted it.

I'm glad that from my post, that's the thing people decide to comment on.

[mintsans]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't write the description for Hello World, it's from the website - I just copied & pasted it.

I'm glad that from my post, that's the thing people decide to comment on.

I know that (I checked!), it's quoted in various websites that have covered the event so it's likely it's literally a press release (written by an older person in an agency), websites literally copy and paste stuff from the press releases they are given.

Sorry if I came across as mean, it was definitely not my intention!

As for the thing they'll be doing, it is probably Youtube Rewind. Tomska was contacted to be featured in it last week and he suspects it's because of the beep beep I'm a sheep song. Since youtubers are filmed in blocks depending on what region they are linked to I assure deps will be involved in the same parts as Tom (unless YT shells out the ca$h to fly them over somewhere else).

[LtrllySusan]

Speaking of the future plan mentions in Phil's video - I found his phrasing a bit weird? Sure, we read too much into everything and are still hyped about thatweekinmarch, but it seemed like he really cut off his own thought there.
(Paraphrasing cause I g2g and don't wanna find the timestamp): "We're going to a thing next week that you might hear about cause other Youtubers will be there and then .... filming some more videos" whereas Dan has been hinting at Spooky Week and Baking recently. I really highly doubt they have absolutely nothing planned for the next 3 months.

Disclaimer: I still don't think they are moving, and my thatweekinmarch hype levels have been reduced so far down that I think maybe they both just had diarrhea that week and that's why it was difficult to go and view apartments and they are too embarrassed to tell Keeping expectations low over here!

And a quick though: Gaming stream tomorrow? The German election is on Sunday and they've previously cancelled a LS (think it was Phil's) because of their own election. IDK how much they care about Germany/their German audience/International politics though.

[am.schtz]

Dan's 'gone out to a family thing' and I'm crying because I'm curious and I'll probably never know.
On the upside, Phil seems quite energetic and happy

EDIT: "...and annoying my friends, and Dan" - I love that Phil puts Dan in a separate category from his friends.

Regarding the 'family' thing: it was someone's birthday yesterday, but I'm not gonna mention whose though as he's obviously not very keen on talking much about his fam

[smol beans]

i love shane and have been watching him much longer than dan and phil but i don't like his conspiracy theories on them.
now that shane mentions them so often, i get a feeling that maybe he feels bad for "exploiting" them so this is his way of promoting how much he likes them and "means no harm". idk it just makes me wonder how dan feels about it since he too has watched shane as a viewer in the past.

That's a very strange way of showing he feels sorry for exploiting them, because it just looks like he's exploiting them, again.

No, I agree, but instead of including them in his conspiracy theories, he mentions them in like his recent video where he pays other people online to promote dan and phil and bashes himself (i think it's just shane's coping mechanism tbh) so i can see that's him thinking it's okay to do that but everyone, including dan, can see that differently.
i just see other people comment on shane's videos to collab with them all the time so i wanted to know if anyone who is for it lurks/posts here and what they think about it.

[blackdenim]

[Offtopic]

HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

this reads like it was written by an out of touch 50+ year old creative director in a PR agency

I mean does anyone younger than 50 ever actually call this generation "the iPhone generation"

Indeed. But I think "this generation" (by which I'm assuming we're referring to what I've been calling the post-Millennials) better come up with its own name fast. There's already a book out called "iGen" . I think generation names are insidiously stupid, but at least "Millennial" is a pretty word, and "Generation X" was cemented as a name by a book written by a member of the generation.[/Offtopic]

[Offtopic]Technically 'this generation' is Generation Z, and 'Millenials' (me!) is just a nickname for Generation Y, since both of us follow on from Generation X. I think nicknames for Gen Z most often used are 'iGeneration' (barf!) and post-millennials, but yeah they already have an 'official name'. I wonder what the next Generation will be called since we're at the end of the alphabet already! [/Offtopic]

I said this last time the Hello World talk was brought up, but I don't think they'll be doing it. Not because I don't think they'd do it (I think it actually sounds like quite a good YT event, as YT events go), but because surely they would be announced early because they'd be a big draw for people to buy tickets? I don't think the event is totally sold out yet but I think the tickets that give you the opportunity to meet YTers are and the Phandom would really complain if they weren't given any advance warning of an event where you could possibly meet D&P! Maybe Phil was hinting at some kind of press event? Or a FlipSide thing?

[alittledizzy]

I definitely think Youtube Rewind makes the most sense. It's something we know they do every year around this time, they're generally fine with us knowing that's what they were filming, and it's sometimes done in big groups with other youtubers. And excursion sounded more like a day trip than an extended one.

[rizzo]

I definitely think Youtube Rewind makes the most sense. It's something we know they do every year around this time, they're generally fine with us knowing that's what they were filming, and it's sometimes done in big groups with other youtubers. And excursion sounded more like a day trip than an extended one.

Also, Tomska talked about being invited to YT Rewind in his last vlog. So, in that context, that's likely what it is.

[lefthandedism]

[Offtopic]

[Offtopic]

HelloWorld is to create the world's first fully immersive live show featuring the biggest online and social media talent from across the globe all under one roof.
"Think 'Woodstock' for the iPhone generation."
The performance will take place on Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 October at Birmingham's Genting Arena.

this reads like it was written by an out of touch 50+ year old creative director in a PR agency

I mean does anyone younger than 50 ever actually call this generation "the iPhone generation"

Indeed. But I think "this generation" (by which I'm assuming we're referring to what I've been calling the post-Millennials) better come up with its own name fast. There's already a book out called "iGen" . I think generation names are insidiously stupid, but at least "Millennial" is a pretty word, and "Generation X" was cemented as a name by a book written by a member of the generation.[/Offtopic]

Technically 'this generation' is Generation Z, and 'Millenials' (me!) is just a nickname for Generation Y, since both of us follow on from Generation X. I think nicknames for Gen Z most often used are 'iGeneration' (barf!) and post-millennials, but yeah they already have an 'official name'. I wonder what the next Generation will be called since we're at the end of the alphabet already!

Well, there's actually no office in charge of coming up with stupid generation names. The post-Millennials are getting called "iGeneration/iGen/iPhone generation" because that's what old people are calling them in news articles and on book covers. So that's why I'm suggesting fighting back with better names--there's still time!

Generation X is called that not because anyone was following the alphabet, but because it was following the massively-hyped and fawned-over Baby Boomer generation. 'X' as in unknown and uninteresting. There really wasn't a name for GenX, because nobody cared, until Douglas Coupland dropped a book called "Generation X" which captured the disaffection of everyone born in the shadow of the Boomers--who had grabbed everything for themselves--and it was all downhill from there for the people following behind, picking up the crumbs. The late 80s/early 90s were a grim time politically as well as economically--Reagan/Thatcher anyone?

I was delighted when "Generation Y"--which was just a name because some folks thought it was cute to have that come after "Generation X"--got overridden by "Millennials". Much prettier, and more evocative of the experiences of the people actually stuck with the label.

[onetruetrash]

[Offtopic]I'm part of that generation and I've never heard of us being called anything.
Hopefully we don't end up as the "iGeneration"
but it wouldn't surprise me.[/Offtopic]

[obscureDnPreference]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't write the description for Hello World, it's from the website - I just copied & pasted it.

I'm glad that from my post, that's the thing people decide to comment on.

I think we all knew that. The wording is just such that it demands discussion! I would be surprised if dnp went to Hello World. It doesn't strike me as anything they'd even remotely be interested in, especially with a tagline like that.

[leaveimreading]

I'm not sure if anyones pointed this out yet (and im like 3 days late), but I felt like contributing this to the reflection posts:

At around 31 minutes in Dan's most recent liveshow, he picks up a candle, giving us this view:
https://imgur.com/x6LK3ij

And then he puts the candle down, resulting in a second reflection shot
https://imgur.com/NjPuAsE

It seems like he notices though and looks at the glass after he puts the candle back.

I'm also 90% sure of those image links are going to work so heres a direct link to the liveshow, and you can just skip 31:10

[alittledizzy]

Phil liveshow notes:

:12 - Phil saw a horse hedge today.
:56 - he saw It with Dan and then Dan went to a family thing
1:07 - Phil is 15% terrified
1:59 - He does not have a clown phobia.
2:45 - Dodgy lift.
3:31 - Completely empty cinema. For prime spookiness he would have watched it in the middle of the night, but they spontaniously went in the daytime today.
3:50 - Just got back from holiday, got such a good load of freckles.
4:10 - Quotes Dan from Dan's liveshow about Phil not tanning, his freckles just blending.
4:50 - He's got a shorts line so he knows there's a difference (in skin tone).
5:01 - Lathered on the factor 50, which is made for babies. Gives us a cheeky shoulder glimpse.
5:23 - Went with some pals for a little mediterranean break at a place surrounded by fish. He's turning into a fish nerd now.
6:06 - "Annoying my friends, and Dan." with his new hobby fish watching.
6:46 - He wouldn't scuba dive, too deep - but snorkeling in a cove was okay.
7:04 - Adorable Phil pounding on the table and making frustrated noises. (Very Dan-like.)
7:20 - Few excursions but mostly just relaxing.
7:25 - Brought the Buffy comics to read.
8:17 - If you're under the age of twelve look away. (Shows centaur tits.)
8:50 - "Sexy centaur girls."
9:01 - Horse Prince in real life.
9:09 - "Why is it getting sexy with this other character while she's half horse?"
9:36 - Plane back was uncomfortable, Dan was on one side and another guy on his other side didn't respect personal space. He tried to lean into Dan as much as he could.
10:21 - Phil didn't want to get passive-aggressive and start elbowing him back, didn't want to get plane rage.
10:48 - He forgot to put anything fun to watch on the phone, didn't have any music or a book and his phone died halfway through the journey. "Alone with my own thoughts. Tumbleweed went past." He had ideas and feelings about the world. Why is this whole bit so cute?
12:08 - Hung out with Louise and filmed a video for her channel. (Baby video.)
12:40 - She tested them on baby and pregnancy terms. "It was an enlightening experience."
13:28 - They ordered wagamama's. She made him watch a birth video, he closed his laptop when the food came. Opened his laptop hours later to a crowning baby. Bigger jumpscare than the clown.
14:58 - The giyoza were pretty great from wagamama. He loves something you can dip.
15:26 - Talks about the kids in It/Stranger Things.
15:56 - Anti-Akinator
17:57 - He's been whacking out his Stranger Things jacket. His new winter/autumn/fall jacket for sure.
18:26 - Viewers pick his outfit, Dan might be off camera doing funny commentary. Dan's got a short list, but he could pick a couple more.
19:27 - He knows nothing about fashion, just picks things that look nice.
19:35 - No souvinirs from his holiday, just a mosquito.
20:38 - He got level five bug spray. Bad idea, he stank when he went out. Surprised anyone wanted to sit near him at dinner, don't use level five. ("Here's your rose, sir." - Hm, Phil's wine preference?)
21:27 - Talks about people starting uni/school/homework.
23:48 - Favorite movie from 2017; he suddenly can't remember any movies he's seen in his entire life.
25:19 - Phil returns from the void.
26:00 - iPhone talk. He's still happy with his iphone 6, he wants different internet but maybe he'll get a new phone when he goes down that route.
28:06 - Didn't like the Ready Player One trailer.
29:22 - Tom Daley tweet. "He said I need some practice." mmm sure that's what he said.
28:58 - Someone asks him about turbulence.
31:06 - Fact about sociology no wait never mind Phil isn't paying a website for a fact.
31:33 - Phil thinks Sonic is a good game but finds it frustrating.
31:56 - uniqulo shirts
33:09 - He and his brother argue with their parents about turning the heat on.
33:29 - Asks for suggestions for the gaming channel.
34:45 - Sounds really not into the idea of more series. "Is that one that needs like twenty seven videos, or can you just play it a couple times?"
34:18 - Hard no on The Impossible Quiz 2.
34:50 - Bit of a pause when someone asks him what's coming up for him. xcursion for a youtube thing next week. (Rewind?) Obviously no more holidays or anything. Make some more videos.
35:15 - Netflix; caught up with Rick and Morty. "Everyone has been pressuring me to watch it. Dan was trying to get me to watch it." He got over the burping after the first few episodes.
36:01 - AHS Cult, Evan Peters' character is insane. More clowns.
36:26 - Talks about a dream and immediately relates it to organizing things, he recently had to organize people to get somewhere on their recent holiday. British horror story. (He dreamed he was with his family and he was trying to get them from a theater to a restaurant and couldn't find a taxi. They got into a black cab and realized it wasn't a licensed taxi. Next to the driver was a creepy guy with a hood over his head and the guy was like "this pillow man has just told me to drive and has locked the doors" and his mum was getting really scared and they couldn't get out of the car. He kicked the window of the car. Pulled off the pillow case off his head and it was a super wrinkly old man. Old man told him he was a witch and then Phil woke up.)
38:57 - Woke up and it was like six am and he just had to get up and get a glass of milk.
39:07 - Usually his dreams make some kind of sense, he's in a place he knows or the situation makes sense.

And some general thoughts:

- Setting Dan apart from his friends. Like @mermaid blood mentioned, he did this a couple years ago - and I think he also did it earlier this year, didn't he? But the context of that is escaping me. It always makes me wonder what the difference in perspective here is between Dan and Phil. Obviously I think that they both consider each other their best friend, but privately I wonder if Phil ranks partner so much above friend/best friend that instinctually he separates Dan? Because this seems like mostly a thing Phil does.

- His evasion of the Tom Daley mention. Is he uncomfortable with an attractive queer man flirting with him, because he's so set on separating sexuality from his public persona? Is he uncomfortable with anyone flirting with him, because he doesn't want the perception of being single or responsive? Phil let me in your brain please.

- Phil and his anxiety dreams. I'm still so fascinated by this, and fascinated by how this is one thing that he seems to feel open about sharing. I would honestly be fine if ten minutes out of every liveshow was just dedicated to Phil telling us what he's dreamt about lately. The fact that most of them that we actually know about involve Phil having some measure of responsibility and failing/putting people he cares about in danger - and then the one from Scotland with Dan and Dan's mum? Or the one with the cat in the oven? If I had enough free time I'd try to pinpoint those dreams with things going on in their lives/Phil's life then.

[snokoplasmic]

- Phil and his anxiety dreams. I'm still so fascinated by this, and fascinated by how this is one thing that he seems to feel open about sharing. I would honestly be fine if ten minutes out of every liveshow was just dedicated to Phil telling us what he's dreamt about lately. The fact that most of them that we actually know about involve Phil having some measure of responsibility and failing/putting people he cares about in danger - and then the one from Scotland with Dan and Dan's mum? Or the one with the cat in the oven? If I had enough free time I'd try to pinpoint those dreams with things going on in their lives/Phil's life then.

i never really realized that, but now that you say it it reminds of that dream he had once where he accidentally killed a bunch of people on rollercoaster and the amusement park people punished him by sticking a pencil in his eye and he died. wow. think it was his video Worst Day Ever where he talks about it?