Dan & Phil Part 62: Cat Master and Boy-slave

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Viofish wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:38 am not sure if this was already discussed, but what is happening with dnp's views? or most of youtube's views for that matter? a good chunk of their videos haven't surpassed 1mill+ and I'm just wondering if they're becoming irrelevant??
not just them, it seems to be across the board. the little jokes today (and they've made them before, too) about what they'll do 'after youtube' make me feel comforted, not stressed, for some reason. maybe knowing they're self-aware, and they're good businessmen and act on that, usually?
alien wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:31 pm Talking about Dan's perfect person to make steamy love to "You could be a penpal - they could move in with you. Oh god what am I saying." Yes what are you saying PJ because that definitely doesn't sound like someone we already know.:garbage:
alittledizzy wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:03 pm Some very hasty timestamps:

:15 - Phil and the mpreg right out of the gate. "It hurt my than childbirth. And I would know."
1:55 - Phil points out the pigeon mating, they take an interlude to watch.
2:45 - Neither Dan nor Phil see tentacles as a drawback. (Phil jokes about the tentacle under the table.)
3:11 - The tentacles are self-lubricating. Phil thinks that "could be interesting."
3:26 - Dan is gender specific but with Ricky, Phil's "Bro to the end."
3:46 - Ricky can kiss his own butthole.
4:09 - Dan describes Phil as "a very nice, peaceful person" and Ricky is "a violent maniac."
4:44 - Dan saying "we" throughout Phil's scenario; probably means Phil and Ricky, but still amusing.
5:10 - Phil sticks the cards down his shirt.
5:17 - "He have sex, then he snacc." "Dan have snacc." "Can I have snacc?" "We all snacc." So, orgy? Orgy.
8:42 - Dan wants to make steamy love. (Gender neutral)
9:48 - Phil points out that Dan will turn into a furry Dan.
10:26 - Phil's is "x."
11:44 - PJ jokes about it being a penpal. That could move in with you. Dan makes a joke about moving fast, Phil says, "Then you marry them."
12:39 - Phil's 'awww, Dan.' seems so sincere.
i just came here to yell about the marry them thing! happy yell, slightly confused yell. i'm shocked more people aren't discussing...

on the pronouns - the cards are all worded gender neutrally, right? so the divergence is actually when they gendered them. phil made pj's female, susan, and dan made phil's male, ricky. pj and phil just didn't stray from the card for dan's; thus i don't think we can draw any conclusions about them making a conscious accomodation for one another unless we also want to say that dan was accomodating phil being gay. (i'm not going to go down that rabbit hole).
000dia000 wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:07 pm
  • Dan always likes to include, for whatever a character may be, to say that they are "valid" the way they are. I'm not sure if he has mistook what is offensive/inoffensive or whether he's trying to be a nice, encouraging guy
yeah he latched onto the rectal prolapse part especially, he left it as the last point when listing the traits even though it wasn't in that order when playing the game, so he must have felt it important. i got why - he doesn't find the inclusion of a medical problem (and perhaps the insinuations of why it would happen, if i can join some dots) all that funny, and didn't want to be seen passively laughing at it for comedy. phil's 'aww, dan' felt very genuine in tone and i thought the whole thing was extremely sweet. (i'm with dan, i wouldn't laugh at that in a game, either. good on him, basically).

9.49 - phil: can't text them or he'll turn into a furry dan.
pj: i didnt think this through.
10.05 - dan: wow, every socially awkward furry's end game.
pj: i may have picked the wrong one.

clearly to me pj is aware of dan's furry proclivity. so he didn't quite make sense here, he should want dan to pick his card, and dan's comments weren't negative. maybe he just got a bit flustered thinking about dan in a teddy bear suit. yes, i think i'll go with that.

11.00 - phil: however, that could be like a sexy anime fantasy where they look up at you and go [coyly] s-s-senpai!
dan: i thought this would be quite funny, and there'd be no way to make me feel uncomfortable, but we got there.

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THIS was both of their biggest reactions of the whole video - but why? dan was extremely chill and didn't flush or stammer once, despite the topics (highly unusual, in my eyes, but that's a whole other post), and phil saying this one thing got him embarrassed. phil looked so pleased with himself, so delightfully cheeky. they've joked about the senpai thing so many times over the years, dan himself often initiating, so why those reactions, now? the only thing that goes through my mind is it's a kink dan has, and he either consumes the related porn or roleplays these scenarios, but again, doesn't explain why today. it reminded me of a 2015 radioshow moment where phil teased dan after Bitch Better Have My Money played, in that Dan liked Rihanna at the end of that music video (she's naked, lying in a trunk, covered in money and smoking, for the unfamiliar). he got similarly coy and moved on quickly. did he interpret phil as imitating a female anime character in a sexual situation and that triggered an insinuation/memory that dan got blushy over? for all his filthy mouthed unashamed moments over males? intriguing.
captainspacecoat wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:00 am Overcooked livestream thoughts - What I have learned is that I need to stop reading people's responses to their videos before I actually watch the video, because I was so wary of them being in a stressed/tense mood that I was tentative to watch the video. I actually really enjoyed it, and didn't pick up on tense vibes at all. The game itself was stressful (I felt that those levels seemed more difficult than the previous ones they've played), so naturally they were stressed while playing, but to me that added to the immersion of the video and got me hooked. Admittedly, I didn't watch live so maybe the tension was less noticeable watching it back than it was when they were live, but I am confused as to how people are interpreting the stress/tension as related to Dan and Phil rather than as related to the game itself. Anyway, I thought it was great, 8/10.
agree with all this. I've long stopped reading opinions (i don't even like talking to a friend online who's already seen the video before i've seen it) before viewing, i find i have a much more enjoyable experience, and in turn enjoy comparing my unbiased reaction to other's after the fact.

having said that, fans finding dan irritating is perfectly valid. i definitely do at other times. however i didn't find dan out of the ordinary today, at all - what i did notice was phil asking him to calm down, which he doesn't usually. collectively everyone has hit the nail on the head - dan yells because he's frustrated with phil not thinking and acting as fast as himself (we know dan's internal reactions are just 0.25 faster than a normal person's, i often think that's the reason for his word flubs), and phil further freezes in reaction.

i think what we saw today was phil hitting a point where he's frustrated, but also perhaps concerned from reading fan opinion that people are irritated by their content when dan screams. he mentioned earphone users in the last few days on another occasion. phil is within his rights to express himself, he's not a robot and they're not a perfect couple, there's no such thing. but funnily enough i think commenting doesn't help, either - dan naturally calms down when the game starts going better, and phil in turn does better because dan is calmer. when they raise the problem with each other after an initial stressful patch, it seems to set off a loop, that the fans then feed into by commenting dan is hurting their ears. it's like a catch 22 of people noticing afresh what has always been a dynamic with them (going back to 2010 gaming vids).
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Finally caught up on the videos!

I loved the PJ collab so so much, it was delightful. I really enjoyed how they went completely genderless for Dan's lover (the penpal moving in with him omg :garbage: )and how they both basically took Phil's perks with the anime love and such. I also love how for Phil they went male mmention from Dan and genderless from PJ.

Phil getting distracted by the pigeons and the tentacles, I had to pause the video to hysterically cry but that might be because of my slight tentacle kink and everyone was tagging me in it and I couldn't deal

I liked the live stream, but maybe because I was wearing headphones I really thought Dan's screaming was on another level. Like Jesus I would freeze up like Phil too, it would confuse me way too much. There were lots of cute moments though and I really like the game.

I'm doing a prayer circle for a DITL ;_; and also I really loved how they mentioned they were seeing Martyn, it was unnecessary to say who they were seeing tbh and I think that's what the noise was for, to kind of like make fun of a cute family mention/double date
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completely unrelated note but
hazel and jack have just broken up, it appears.
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overcookd- I've only enjoyed the first one. All the levels are somewhat similar, so 'visually' there is nothing to maintain my interest in the game. And this time the bants were average, but I thought from the very start that Dan was not in a 'gaming suitable' mood, that's fine, he's a real person, but his fuse was much shorter than usual, and Phil was overcompensating with his zen, but telling someone who is agitated/out of sorts/feeling stressed to calm down repeatedly won't help, so it turns into a cycle of trying (failing) to put on a front. I think that if they hadn't promised a livestream yesterday evening, they would have held off filming anything.

Pj vid- I like the creative thought they had to put in. Made it very different from anything deppy usually do, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Truthbombs- deps really keep focus in collabs, they are the front-men of whatever group vid they film, which is the case in most collabs, the host is the 'star', but I have to say that deppy sometimes get very intense in collabs and it makes the 'third-wheeling' more obvious, pj/sophie, hazel/tom, if you're collabing with deps you have to get onto their wavelength, otherwise you're just along for the ride.

yt rewind: too fast. or maybe my eye-to-brain pathways are showing their age. too many spinners, the train/snow part what fun, the rest were silly. Was slime really that trendy? really? slime? that four groups had to showcase it? and floor lava? seriously? oh.em.gee. overall, rewind was what i expected, a corny and biased take on 2017 youtube, sort of.

edit- Ricky can also be Ricki/Riki, so it's genderless, ungendered, what's the word...unisex...idk
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katemko wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:36 am completely unrelated note but
hazel and jack have just broken up, it appears.
second time i'm replying to an unrelated post today, but regardless it's under the cut
it appears they unfollowed each other on twitter, and hazel unfollowed him on instagram...maybe as this progresses it can be moved to one of their threads for further discussion because i'm confused and interested, but still wanting to respect their privacy
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obsessivelymoody wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:48 am
katemko wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:36 am completely unrelated note but
hazel and jack have just broken up, it appears.
second time i'm replying to an unrelated post today, but regardless it's under the cut
it appears they unfollowed each other on twitter, and hazel unfollowed him on instagram...maybe as this progresses it can be moved to one of their threads for further discussion because i'm confused and interested, but still wanting to respect their privacy
unrelated to main topic of thread
yeah, this discussion will probably be eventually be moved elsewhere, but might as well hop on this thread

I'm surprised they made it so public, I wonder when it happened. Maybe they were better off just ghosting each other's existence until it became more apparent that have broken up. Making a public announcement then saying "pls don't speculate" just makes it worse, it would literally cause more people to speculate [me]. Maybe they think people pay enough attention to notice? Idek.

Is it bad that I could see it happening when they first got together? They both seem like the kind of people that would get married and divorced like 3 or 4 times in their life tbh. Hazel has kind of changed a bit in the last couple of years since dating Jack, she grew more entitled and kind of sharp in her manner, she used to be kind of more normal and softer, less aggressive. I wonder how what her manner will be like next year, she'll probably change into a different person entirely.
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liola wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:08 am I liked the live stream, but maybe because I was wearing headphones I really thought Dan's screaming was on another level. Like Jesus I would freeze up like Phil too, it would confuse me way too much. There were lots of cute moments though and I really like the game.
I always wear headphones and i expect there to be screaming but this was something else, my ears actually hurt at the volume spike this time.
I don't know if it's their microphone or what but it picks up Dan's screams sharper than in older videos.

And i understand they wanted to express frustration and the chaos is entertaining and results in great exchanges but the exaggerated screaming becomes more annoying than funny for the viewing experience when they do it so much, imo.
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I agree that dan's screaming was a bit too much this time. I always wear headphones, so I'm used to it and generally I don't mind, but this time it hurt my ears. And I felt bad for phil, I would've had a hard time focusing on the game too, with someone screaming so loud in my ear.

PJ's video: definitely enjoyed it, but I need to rewatch it, as I have probably missed some things.

I didn't read much into the gender of the companions tbh. Apart from dan, who chose a scenario where he would need a lover, in which case the non gender specific pronouns are definitely noteworthy, pj and phil's scenarios didn't imply they would have a romantic/sexual connection with their partner, I think? Pj wanted someone to help him get off the alien planet and phil wanted someone to help him survive the zombie apocalypse.
Dan called phil's partner bro to the end, which made me laugh, but I can't tell if he meant it ironically or not.
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000dia000 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:24 pm
obsessivelymoody wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:48 am
katemko wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:36 am completely unrelated note but
hazel and jack have just broken up, it appears.
second time i'm replying to an unrelated post today, but regardless it's under the cut
it appears they unfollowed each other on twitter, and hazel unfollowed him on instagram...maybe as this progresses it can be moved to one of their threads for further discussion because i'm confused and interested, but still wanting to respect their privacy
unrelated to main topic of thread
yeah, this discussion will probably be eventually be moved elsewhere, but might as well hop on this thread

I'm surprised they made it so public, I wonder when it happened. Maybe they were better off just ghosting each other's existence until it became more apparent that have broken up. Making a public announcement then saying "pls don't speculate" just makes it worse, it would literally cause more people to speculate [me]. Maybe they think people pay enough attention to notice? Idek.

Is it bad that I could see it happening when they first got together? They both seem like the kind of people that would get married and divorced like 3 or 4 times in their life tbh. Hazel has kind of changed a bit in the last couple of years since dating Jack, she grew more entitled and kind of sharp in her manner, she used to be kind of more normal and softer, less aggressive. I wonder how what her manner will be like next year, she'll probably change into a different person entirely.
I've quoted this discussion in Hazel's thread - we don't appear to have a Jack one - if you want to continue here:

Everything else >> Other Youtubers >> Hazel Hayes

(please do, I hadn't noticed this development as i don't follow them and i'm interested too!)
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mermaid blood wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:45 pm I've quoted this discussion in Hazel's thread - we don't appear to have a Jack one - if you want to continue here:

Everything else >> Other Youtubers >> Hazel Hayes

(please do, I hadn't noticed this development as i don't follow them and i'm interested too!)
A few of us were talking about it in the Jack and Dean thread too. But I’ll migrate to the Hazel thread with everyone. :)
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Just thought I put this up. When Phil said they didn't complete the whole of overcooked in the beginning and then Dan said they got 100% on every level I don't think Phil was lying. They have two consoles and they leave Phil's in the gaming room and mainly play on Dan's. They mentioned this in the a Mario Kart stream that they rarely use Phil's. So they haven't finished the game on that switch but they did finish it on Dan's. I just thought I would say this because I saw a couple posts mention this on here and tumblr.
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I thought they had Overcooked on a different console? They finished it on that one, then it came out on the switch, so they bought it for the switch and started streaming with that copy.

edit: different console, meaning the playstation. not just the other switch
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mermaid blood wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 amyeah he latched onto the rectal prolapse part especially, he left it as the last point when listing the traits even though it wasn't in that order when playing the game, so he must have felt it important. i got why - he doesn't find the inclusion of a medical problem (and perhaps the insinuations of why it would happen, if i can join some dots) all that funny, and didn't want to be seen passively laughing at it for comedy. phil's 'aww, dan' felt very genuine in tone and i thought the whole thing was extremely sweet. (i'm with dan, i wouldn't laugh at that in a game, either. good on him, basically).
This part was genuinely sweet to me as well - it makes me wonder what kind of moment or eye contact we'd have gotten if Dan and Phil had been side by side? I think PJ being physically between them meant that they gave more even focus to PJ, which doesn't happen with anyone when Dan and Phil are given the option to only interact with each other, but in moments like that it's still frustrating.
mermaid blood wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 am11.00 - phil: however, that could be like a sexy anime fantasy where they look up at you and go [coyly] s-s-senpai!
dan: i thought this would be quite funny, and there'd be no way to make me feel uncomfortable, but we got there.
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THIS was both of their biggest reactions of the whole video - but why? dan was extremely chill and didn't flush or stammer once, despite the topics (highly unusual, in my eyes, but that's a whole other post), and phil saying this one thing got him embarrassed. phil looked so pleased with himself, so delightfully cheeky. they've joked about the senpai thing so many times over the years, dan himself often initiating, so why those reactions, now? the only thing that goes through my mind is it's a kink dan has, and he either consumes the related porn or roleplays these scenarios, but again, doesn't explain why today. it reminded me of a 2015 radioshow moment where phil teased dan after Bitch Better Have My Money played, in that Dan liked Rihanna at the end of that music video (she's naked, lying in a trunk, covered in money and smoking, for the unfamiliar). he got similarly coy and moved on quickly. did he interpret phil as imitating a female anime character in a sexual situation and that triggered an insinuation/memory that dan got blushy over? for all his filthy mouthed unashamed moments over males? intriguing.
The concept that what it takes to make Dan truly bashful now is Phil teasing him about female attraction is amazing. I love 2017 purely in the Dan and Phil sense because lord knows the rest of the world is a burning compost heap.
mermaid blood wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 ami think what we saw today was phil hitting a point where he's frustrated, but also perhaps concerned from reading fan opinion that people are irritated by their content when dan screams. he mentioned earphone users in the last few days on another occasion. phil is within his rights to express himself, he's not a robot and they're not a perfect couple, there's no such thing. but funnily enough i think commenting doesn't help, either - dan naturally calms down when the game starts going better, and phil in turn does better because dan is calmer. when they raise the problem with each other after an initial stressful patch, it seems to set off a loop, that the fans then feed into by commenting dan is hurting their ears. it's like a catch 22 of people noticing afresh what has always been a dynamic with them (going back to 2010 gaming vids).
It's definitely the feedback loop, this whole point is spot on; I think it feels new - to us and them - because in the past few months since livestream gaming started it's the only time they've had to deal with the instant reactions to things like this. Also agree that both of them do have the right to express through frustrations, though. In fact, I kind of enjoy it? It humanizes both of them and makes it obvious that they're sincerely playing, and trying to play together. Also despite them stressing each other out, it ultimately worked, they did quite well for trying to banter entertain us while playing.
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Am I the only one who doesn't get bothered that much by Dan's screaming? :lol:

Anyway, a bit off-topic, sorry, but in my defence, I'm having a horrible month where I have to work 7 days a week without any break and I'm late for everything. I've just watched Youtube Rewind (which I liked btw), Emma's video and Lilly Singh's latest video about what it's like currently to be a youtuber re: algorithm etc., that was recommended to me by a friend yesterday and that I'll put here under spoiler because I find it really interesting and nobody has brought it up on the main thread yet. After watching Emma's video, I only have to say that I find it so cool how Deppy have managed to cut out this place for them where they're respected by everybody, everybody's catering to them including youtube and there's no drama, I want their business and marketing skills, for real, you go boys :respekt: And Lilly's video made me think about the changes that they've made this year. I must be in a cynical mood, but I'm wondering if the amount of sexual references isn't, at least in some measure, a way to keep the phandom hooked in the face of the uncertainty that is youtube right now (I'm not saying the q-word, that doesn't have to do with their real or perceived relationship or orientation, just in general, say "sex-baiting", if you will). I was honestly surprised at Dan's choice of scenario in PJ's collab, for example :?

edit: or, to stay more positive, they've seen the changes, too, like Lilly and just don't give a shit anymore and do/say entirely what they want
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coffeepenguin wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm
edit: or, to stay more positive, they've seen the changes, too, like Lilly and just don't give a shit anymore and do/say entirely what they want
I think this is exactly it - YT is in freefall, everyone knows it's not going to last forever. D&P don't have to think about building a long term career on the platform anymore so they can do and say what they want. They've made a good amount of money over the last few years: probably enough that they'll be financially secure - if not rich - for the rest of their lives. So now it's time to kick back, make videos they enjoy making, say things that make themselves and each other laugh, and not have to try desperately to stay 'relevant'. Jenna is also a great example of this. She literally just puts whatever she feels like filming on her channel and doesn't care if people hate it.

I also personally think this is why D&P haven't bought a house/houses yet: they might want to wait and see what their income looks like as YT dries up, so they know what they can truly afford in the long term, rather than buying a couple of mansions, mortgaging themselves up to the eyeballs in the process, and then when YT dries up, spending 25 years struggling to pay it all off coughAlfieandZoecough.
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alittledizzy wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:40 pm
mermaid blood wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 am11.00 - phil: however, that could be like a sexy anime fantasy where they look up at you and go [coyly] s-s-senpai!
dan: i thought this would be quite funny, and there'd be no way to make me feel uncomfortable, but we got there.
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THIS was both of their biggest reactions of the whole video - but why? dan was extremely chill and didn't flush or stammer once, despite the topics (highly unusual, in my eyes, but that's a whole other post), and phil saying this one thing got him embarrassed. phil looked so pleased with himself, so delightfully cheeky. they've joked about the senpai thing so many times over the years, dan himself often initiating, so why those reactions, now? the only thing that goes through my mind is it's a kink dan has, and he either consumes the related porn or roleplays these scenarios, but again, doesn't explain why today. it reminded me of a 2015 radioshow moment where phil teased dan after Bitch Better Have My Money played, in that Dan liked Rihanna at the end of that music video (she's naked, lying in a trunk, covered in money and smoking, for the unfamiliar). he got similarly coy and moved on quickly. did he interpret phil as imitating a female anime character in a sexual situation and that triggered an insinuation/memory that dan got blushy over? for all his filthy mouthed unashamed moments over males? intriguing.
The concept that what it takes to make Dan truly bashful now is Phil teasing him about female attraction is amazing. I love 2017 purely in the Dan and Phil sense because lord knows the rest of the world is a burning compost heap.
That's interesting because I didn't really take it that way. It seemed to me that he was uncomfortable because Phil was imitating the person they were discussing (the person dan wanted to make steamy love to) because up until that point they'd only been discussing the scenario but Phil "took it to 11". I'm very unfamiliar with anime though so I don't know if the whole senpai thing is only ever m/f and that's what I'm missing. Either way I love how cheeky Phil was haha
coffeepenguin wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm Am I the only one who doesn't get bothered that much by Dan's screaming? :lol:
No I've never been bothered by his screaming either. I don't even notice it until I read people's reactions to it lol
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I watched both Emma’s and Lilly’s video because i wanted to know what other ytubers views on what is going on and this is why I would love Dan to get interviewed by Casper for life after yt. I think this is really the only way they will address it, I don’t see phil making a main channel video explaining their views about what’s happening + what their plans for the future is. I see a lot of people get upset and lash out when someone mentions dnp no longer doing yt and say “they said their gonna do it forever”. Dnp wanting to move on or change their content is okay and I know it’s upsetting to think that you will no longer having them in your life anymore but with the way yt is changing it’s something everyone including them need to prepare for. A lot of creators arnt happy. As adults you have to realise they won’t be doing yt forever! It’s not gonna happen. As a person with a normal job you don’t want be stuck in the same place doing the same thing forever so why should we expect them to want to do the same.

I think dnp not bringing up the bad parts of yt is because they want to believe in it. I think they have a lot of love for yt and we don’t know what happens behind the scenes but dan in the gaming livestream yesterday jumping to talking about a live show when someone asked about yt rewind. I do hope that means he will bring stuff up

2018 they will be really focussing on their tour which worries me because who knows what’s gonna happen next year, I’m guessing a lot of their content is gonna be filler for people who can’t go on tour. I don’t see dan making videos like his mental health video, which I’m upset about because this year iv started to enjoy his main channel content. But I like that he has stared trying invloved with the anti bullying campaign and becoming an mental health ambassador. I think he should do more public speaking he seems to be great at it.

I have no idea where I’m going with this I just wanted to know if anyone had any opions close to mine.

With the person saying that dnp maybe trying to be more sexual to keep people interested, I don’t see that at all. Did dan asking about a partner shock me? Yeah because it’s something they have try to keep away from, I don’t know his reason behind picking that situation for the game but I don’t think it’s to get people to click the video.
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Secretstanner wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:03 pm I see a lot of people get upset and lash out when someone mentions dnp no longer doing yt and say “they said their gonna do it forever”. Dnp wanting to move on or change their content is okay and I know it’s upsetting to think that you will no longer having them in your life anymore but with the way yt is changing it’s something everyone including them need to prepare for. A lot of creators arnt happy. As adults you have to realise they won’t be doing yt forever! It’s not gonna happen. As a person with a normal job you don’t want be stuck in the same place doing the same thing forever so why should we expect them to want to do the same.
The only thing that kinda worries me is if YouTube doesn't pan out and deppy moves on, is that just... it? I'd like to think they'd still share parts of their lives, but I hate to think I've invested time into these people for years and that they might just disappear from the public eye, stop making content, etc. I doubt they'd ever do that but still, makes me sad to think about. I hope that no matter what they do in the future, they share it with the people that have grown to love them so much- even if that means no more videos or regular content of any kind.

That being said... I'm really unsure about the future of YouTube, so it wouldn't totally surprise me if they left the platform and found other ventures to focus on. It's just the idea of no more DnP content that makes me a little sad inside.
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blackdenim wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:52 pm
coffeepenguin wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm
edit: or, to stay more positive, they've seen the changes, too, like Lilly and just don't give a shit anymore and do/say entirely what they want
I think this is exactly it - YT is in freefall, everyone knows it's not going to last forever. D&P don't have to think about building a long term career on the platform anymore so they can do and say what they want. They've made a good amount of money over the last few years: probably enough that they'll be financially secure - if not rich - for the rest of their lives. So now it's time to kick back, make videos they enjoy making, say things that make themselves and each other laugh, and not have to try desperately to stay 'relevant'. Jenna is also a great example of this. She literally just puts whatever she feels like filming on her channel and doesn't care if people hate it.
Do we suppose that the demise of the internet as we know it is part of the calculation? The internet is about to become just another cable TV channel, at least in the US--the FCC is lighting the fuse to blow up Net Neutrality on Thursday. A friend of mine was opining last night that in ten years we'll all be trying to describe YouTube to our disbelieving (grand)children. All my friends constantly spout gloom and doom these days, but jfc, what do you expect.

I, like many, seek solace from the horrors of the world with so many things that are online--YouTube, IDB, ao3, chats with friends, etc., etc. And now there's the very real possibility that all of that will get spoiled in as-yet-unimagined horrible ways.

Well, enough of that! Puppies! :undertaledog: Sunshine! :sunshine:

I loved PJ's video for all the reasons everyone's mentioned. I loved the gender-neutral language for sex partners on general principles, regardless of any possible deeper meanings. A long long way from "You need a girlfriend!", and that is something that makes the world a more positive place for all of us. :platonic: :ribena:


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off-topic but adding to the yotubers who talked about the issues, Jacksepticeye also made a video speaking his mind on the matter (he's also one who actually turned down being in rewind this year):
starting at 5:40
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Secretstanner wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:03 pmDid dan asking about a partner shock me? Yeah because it’s something they have try to keep away from, I don’t know his reason behind picking that situation for the game but I don’t think it’s to get people to click the video.
I think the reason Dan asked for a partner was just because he thought the answers/suggestions would make for funny content, there’s literally nothing more to it... am I naive? I imagine it’d be kind of weird to ask your significant other to create somebody for you to make steamy love with, but who cares. Maybe that’s how they roll. Btw, I hope I’m not too late to comment on this video - I really liked it, I like PJ’s style, it’s good, refreshing, exactly what I needed in the midst of gamingmas. Some of my favorite bits are:
- 1:56 – I bet Dan thought the moment where Phil spots two mating pigeons wouldn’t be included in the video, hence he didn’t bother to react. That was quite amusing, I strongly believe we saw a little bit of real life Dan there, which we don’t really get in their videos – they’ll delete any millisecond of them not being entertaining.
- 12:47 - Phil: “THANKS FOR HAVING ME!”
Dan: “Thank you for coming to visit us.” – omg... Phil only thinks about himself! (I’m just kidding. But really.)
Sorry for not contributing to the current discussion. I'm off to watch that new jacksepticeye's video, love the guy.
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Regarding the tweet: Waiting for someone to point out how many hundreds of dollars that coat costs :lol:

malday wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:07 pm off-topic but adding to the yotubers who talked about the issues, Jacksepticeye also made a video speaking his mind on the matter (he's also one who actually turned down being in rewind this year):
starting at 5:40
Is it just me or does JSE have the ability to say nothing concrete while talking for hours on end? I feel like the only thing I got from this was that he thinks things aren't ideal, he has no suggestion how to improve it and he will continue to be a youtuber. I stopped watching his subscriber milestone videos cause they were 15 minutes of basically saying the same thing/nothing every time.
coffeepenguin wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:37 pm
I really liked this one. I haven't watched her videos in a while but I enjoyed what she had to say and how geniune she sounded.
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