I'm interested in your take on Dan
@thewaytobehappy , even though I agree with little of what you say. You can judge him to your heart's desire, but keep in mind that this is also a public forum so the judgement might come right back at you.
As a sidenote I have to agree with
@human 's sentiment and have found that some of the most easily offended people I ever interacted with are part of this fandom. I was surprised, since Dan's (and Phil's - but it's much more veiled with him) natural sense of humor would i have thought not appealed to the judgemental.
So yea, it's interesting to read how your take on his liveshow can differ so much but I have to say that I see a whole lot of little substantiated claims in your post that I would argue reveal more about your views on the matter than Dan's
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o name a few examples wrt emotinal immaturity: his inability to handle critisism or keep a structured work schedule, frequent baiting of his fans, his obsession with image rather then actual substance."
First: I don't believe the things you mention define emotional immaturity, with the exception of one's ability to handle criticism.
I don't find Dan to be handling criticism particularly bad, at least outwardly. I can't really think of particular instances. Or do you perhaps mean his denials of phan? Well i would of course say those weren't "ways he dealt with criticism" but rather him trying to set straight a view about his relationship with Phil that is untrue. I'm really unsure of what you mean. He's sensitive, he does get irritated quickly at times (are you talking about how he can be quick to raise his voice?), but I would say that's more of a dramatization or an act rather than a true reflection on his ability to handle criticism. The content he makes and his general demeanor as an entertainer rarely put him into a spot where serious, substantive criticism is brought forward i would say...
The structured work schedule and frequent baiting I don't see as key of
emotional maturity as such, but even if you put it under that umbrella i would say that i have no idea what you mean by baiting because people understand different behavior as "baiting" and also judge it differently. "Baiting" as I see it is either not something they do (pretending to be what? Gay? A couple? They've never even claimed they were ,
we are assuming those things about him) or it's something that every youtuber does and that i don't find that bothersome. A certain dishonesty in how they represent themselves and a focus on 'serving' content that people enjoy is what happens in all forms of entertainment.
The concern with image i can agree with to an extent, but I think you misjudge that to be saying something about his maturity. They are, like you said, public figures. As such, their image
does matter a lot. Being perceived positively and being found interesting and popular is literally why they can be so successful as professional youtubers. He would be a fool not to care about his image, and i think it is only fair he does, as
every little word and expression he makes will get analyzed, commented on, and judged. Most of what we think of them to be 'true" is based on (wild) speculation we do on the basis of very little they say or do.
Wrt intelligence: he seldom goes beyond the most basic talking points, and when he does he either stops midway or flounders. So it's either that or not doing his research.
Again I disagree that how he acts in a live stream says a lot about his true intelligence. Yes, he does mostly expand on "talking points": these are also the questions he reads in chat and picks up on social media. People desire information and answers about these issues. He (sometimes) gives them. Does he often go into tangents? I guess so, that's what i like about his shows for one. I don't doubt he has a particular conversational style that you may like or dislike, but I very much doubt that he stops mid-sentence because of a lack of intelligence. I don't really see him actually stopping mid-sentence much, what i do notice is that he changes topics while he doesn't
always complete his thoughs on the previous topic. Perhaps because he is moderating what he is willing to share and what not while he's speaking?
I'd very much like him to talk much more openly and raise more profound issues, but alas he more or less sticks to his role as entertainer and public figure while doing his live shows. It's also very much up for debate if that is what most of the audience wants to hear of him. Still, it's a more free flow of conversation and a broader field of topics that he talks about compared to a produced video.
