Dan & Phil Part 66: Rainbow Nerds

[Stakhanov]

No I mean that it is upon the person making the claim to provide the sources which they base their claim on. Sasstronaut is saying that this is a fact backed up by actual research, well i'd like to see that research.
Just googling is not a way you can do this. I have no idea what specific research is meant, it's very plausable there are multiple studies that handle those subjects, probably looking at different aspects and drawing different conclusions. I'm not going to google and just assume that everything i find that might vaguely support or contradict this research is actually what's meant here (most serious scientific research is not available on google anyway and is published in hundreds of different peer reviewed magazines). Yes I do question the statement "White men are socialized to have more confidence in their own intelligence and capability than women and people of color", as it is phrased here, to be a fact.
As i talk about in my post too, a more nuanced form of that statement I would find plausible to be true but i'd still like to see the research, because I bet like any good research it's very much limited by context, situation, talks about correlations and degrees of confidence, etc... The broader point being that such research, while bringing to light interesting differences which no doubt also have a gender and ethnicity dimension, are sorely inadequate to talk about a specific individual. In short: you can't claim to know how somebody thinks about something just because he's in the category 'typical white dude". It's imo a rather poor categorization to start with. I don't like talking in terms of "typical black woman" "typical white dude", unless there are very good and specific grounds why this kind of categorization of people is important for what you're trying to say.

In the case of how Dan thinks about himself and his confidence, i think it's not very relevant and needlessly puts labels and categories on people which have little explanatory power.

[ratlad]

interrupting the arguments by sayin: i hope we get a gaming vid today... will it be another Sims? I'd take anything at this point. their personalities and presence just comforts me and i am very thankful for their existence. he did mention the Sims yesterday in the ls, so i feel like it was a lil hint....

[Stakhanov]

Yes, I hope we get a gaming vid too and today feels about right for getting one. The larger mystery is when the dinof will be released. Phil is about to double him on the uploading track again

[mermaid blood]

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[snokoplasmic]

interrupting the arguments by sayin: i hope we get a gaming vid today... will it be another Sims? I'd take anything at this point. their personalities and presence just comforts me and i am very thankful for their existence. he did mention the Sims yesterday in the ls, so i feel like it was a lil hint....

I'm slightly hoping that we do get a Sims soon......to be honest, I've actually liked the last few episodes a lot. I guess it's because they've started focusing on the Dab and Evan storyline, instead of just like sending Dil to work every day lol

[DatCog]

Feels too soon for another Sims...maybe it's just because I re-watched it today but I'd love it if they attempted a bit more of Getting Over It!

[Stakhanov]

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Well on that note I would like to apologize to @sasstronaut for taking a jab at the username, it was meant light-heartedly and with sass, but I only mean to engage in civil disagreement, which by itself can quickly become sharp when you talk about things people are passionate about and fundamentally disagree about.
I would also like to say that I did feel offended by that labeling of Dan, and the mention that apparently by virtue of previous opinions I have voiced, sasstronaut mentions not wanting to bother communicating with me. You're free to communicate with whoever you wish, but either don't, or do. I don't see the point in mentioning it if you are going to engage in the conversation anyway. It would also be a bit of sad state affairs for a public forum if people would start not talking to each other for opinions they hold. We end up all talking in our own virtual bubble
In general, I have had bad experiences with the moderation on this forum, feeling like the own rules of the forum were not applied when somebody directly called me an asshole. This was deemed to be acceptable though, as i was deemed to be a poster "who could take that". So my trust is fair moderation is hurt, nevertheless I try to adhere to the forum rules, even while I don't agree with some of them. Likewise though, I would like them to be upheld when someone insults me too. And i mean that in a general way, apart from the current conversation.

Anyway I should get some work done. My "procrastinator" tag on this forum is proving to be a bad influence :mrgreen:

[mermaid blood]

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Well on that note I would like to apologize to @sasstronaut for taking a jab at the username, it was meant light-heartedly and with sass, but I only mean to engage in civil disagreement, which by itself can quickly become sharp when you talk about things people are passionate about and fundamentally disagree about.
I would also like to say that I did feel offended by that labeling of Dan, and the mention that apparently by virtue of previous opinions I have voiced, sasstronaut mentions not wanting to bother communicating with me. You're free to communicate with whoever you wish, but either don't, or do. I don't see the point in mentioning it if you are going to engage in the conversation anyway. It would also be a bit of sad state affairs for a public forum if people would start not talking to each other for opinions they hold. We end up all talking in our own virtual bubble
In general, I have had bad experiences with the moderation on this forum, feeling like the own rules of the forum were not applied when somebody directly called me an asshole. This was deemed to be acceptable though, as i was deemed to be a poster "who could take that". So my trust is fair moderation is hurt, nevertheless I try to adhere to the forum rules, even while I don't agree with some of them. Likewise though, I would like them to be upheld when someone insults me too. And i mean that in a general way, apart from the current conversation.

Anyway I should get some work done. My "procrastinator" tag on this forum is proving to be a bad influence :mrgreen:

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[autumnhearth]

Just going to skim right over all of that to say that I looked at TopMan’s earring selection and while there are lots of nice options I see no five packs (and yes I set it to the UK). Lots of 3 packs, one 4 pack, but no 5 packs. Linking the 4 pack of rhinestone studs below, as I can see the dual colors appealing to him.

http://www.topman.com/en/tmuk/product/r ... i=20&ps=20

Edit: I would *love* another Getting Over It, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Not saying they’ll never play it again, despite Dan’s assertion, but that they would maybe space it out further to deter people from thinking it could become a series (not like the Sims, but like Golf or Bombs, god I miss the bombs). I’m up for something new.

[thewaytobehappy]

I'd like another entry of Phil's nostalgia quest. I'd squee if they'd ever play Super Mario World.

[alittledizzy]

Hah, Dan and Phil both just liked this tweet of John's:

[mermaid blood]

wait phil AND dan liked it? that's unusual right, it's usually just phil with john (and most of his old youtube friends, really)?

YES to more of phil's game, and anything super mario.
i want another sims soonish just so they don't lose the momentum and boldness of the potential storyline with Evan, which i think is a real risk. i'm still pissed we didn't get more Dream Daddy i don't even care if i'm beating a dead horse. gimme that emotionally fulfilling content!

but also ditto Getting Over It was hilarious more pls.

[myselfandI]

I know I will definitely get flak for saying this. But as someone in DnP's age group, and as someone who struggled with the things Dan still struggles with, I want to say it just once.

I can't watch Dan's liveshows for more then a minute without rolling my eyes.

The way he covers his emotional immaturity with edginess, and lack of intelligence and a real opinion with pseudo intellectionalism is really sad.

I keep hoping for his sake that he'll grow out if his obsession with image, but going by this ls it's not happening.

I'm so glad other people feel the same.
I honestly cant watch Dan's liveshow because sometimes I just cant stand him, I even took a break from the phandom so I could clear my mind and care less (and I'll probably take another after this post).
He just sounds so self-absorved, maybe he doesn't mean to, but whenever he talks down his audience, I just want hit him with some hard facts.
People says he's so elonquent when he spends most of the time rambling. He just seems like the type of guy that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with.

P.S.: I know the topic has changed but I was actually thinking about that when I entered the forum so I couldn't help but coment on it, now keep going .

[DatCog]

Just going to skim right over all of that to say that I looked at TopMan’s earring selection and while there are lots of nice options I see no five packs (and yes I set it to the UK). Lots of 3 packs, one 4 pack, but no 5 packs. Linking the 4 pack of rhinestone studs below, as I can see the dual colors appealing to him.

http://www.topman.com/en/tmuk/product/r ... i=20&ps=20

Edit: I would *love* another Getting Over It, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Not saying they’ll never play it again, despite Dan’s assertion, but that they would maybe space it out further to deter people from thinking it could become a series (not like the Sims, but like Golf or Bombs, god I miss the bombs). I’m up for something new.

Oh I just assumed he meant 5 packs of earrings, so that could be potentially loads! Just been looking at the selection and there are so many I'd like him to wear. One of these would look super cute! (photo hidden as it's mahoosive)

[rizzo]

I'm generally enjoying this live-show except for everything he said about Hamilton. IDK. I just... I want that topic done. There's so much I want to correct him on with that musical that I just don't want him to talk about it anymore.

Correct him on what exactly? His opinion? He said it was great but he preferred Book of Mormon. I don’t see anything problematic about that.

I don’t get why people think it’s offensive if people have different opinions to them lol I see it a lot in this phandom tbh. He wasn’t offensive or rude at all.

Nah. The bit that got me heated was:

"I had no idea what to expect, because unlike all you freaks that would listen to a soundtrack without watching something first. Ugh! Man, I just... I don't get it. i don't get it. I'm not shaming you, but I'm judging you. Ok? So, I'm judging you, but I'm not shaming you."

Because everyone and their mother can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for a ticket, let alone get to a location where Hamilton is playing.

And tbh? I think going into a musical with absolutely zero knowledge of it is a bad idea. Because I think Dan's expectations for a quality production were set by Book of Mormon (which I'm not arguing is bad - I fucking love BoM), but it feels like he and Phil thought Hamilton would be funnier than it was. Why? Because they didn't take any time to look into what made Hamilton good. So reality didn't meet expectation.

Also on a selfish level, I really wanted Dan's opinions on Hamilton when it mattered. It's been 2 years now, I don't care anymore.

All that is what frustrates me. Beyond that, he's welcome to have whatever opinions on the musical he wants to have.

38:44 - Dab getting rejected by Evan was a surprise (aka Watch Dan Bullshit. Bullshit, Dan, Bullshit.)

Preach! I love Dan but this was the worst kind of bullshit. None of that was a surprise, buddy. Y'all are setting up this romance like award-winning soap opera producers.

[Secretstanner]

Just going to skim right over all of that to say that I looked at TopMan’s earring selection and while there are lots of nice options I see no five packs (and yes I set it to the UK). Lots of 3 packs, one 4 pack, but no 5 packs. Linking the 4 pack of rhinestone studs below, as I can see the dual colors appealing to him.

http://www.topman.com/en/tmuk/product/r ... i=20&ps=20

So the way he worded about the earrings i took that he meant he bought 5 separate packets not that he bought 1 packet that contained 5 sets of earrings. This is literally a pointless reply but received what he said a bit different so maybe that’s why there isn’t any packets containing 5 sets of earrings.

[DatCog]

I'm seeing Hamilton in October (cheapest seats) and I'm sure as hell listening to the soundtrack before I go and am absolutely convinced I'll enjoy the experience a lot more as a result! I already have a few favourite songs that I'm looking forward to very discreetly singing along with (not really...although some of them will be difficult to resist)!!

[Kimship]

Nah. The bit that got me heated was:

"I had no idea what to expect, because unlike all you freaks that would listen to a soundtrack without watching something first. Ugh! Man, I just... I don't get it. i don't get it. I'm not shaming you, but I'm judging you. Ok? So, I'm judging you, but I'm not shaming you."

Because everyone and their mother can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for a ticket, let alone get to a location where Hamilton is playing.

And tbh? I think going into a musical with absolutely zero knowledge of it is a bad idea. Because I think Dan's expectations for a quality production were set by Book of Mormon (which I'm not arguing is bad - I fucking love BoM), but it feels like he and Phil thought Hamilton would be funnier than it was. Why? Because they didn't take any time to look into what made Hamilton good. So reality didn't meet expectation.

I'm pretty sure he's mostly joking about judging people who listen before watching something. He knows he's a bit of an outlier when it comes to avoiding spoilers.

However, I never listen to cast recordings before I see a show, somewhat for spoilers but mostly because I don't feel much connection to a show's music until I see it. I tried with Book of Mormon after it won the Tony(because the album was $5), but it didn't make much of an impression on me, except the one song I saw performed(I Believe). I haven't bothered to listen to Hamilton despite the hype because getting tickets is so hard, despite me living near NYC(now, but I used to live in FL and was lucky to see a handful of touring shows and some local productions). I just won't appreciate it without the visuals and the non-singing dialogue. I also think that knowing what song is coming up next in a show, when I do eventually see it, will change how I experience it, and you can never get a first experience again. If there was never a way to see the/a show, maybe it'd be different for me, but I, like Dan, do have that opportunity and I'm going to take advantage of it.

[flarequake]

I’m so looking forward to whatever he’s got up his sleeve for his next dinof and I’m hoping he remembers he’s bought all these shiny/sparkly earrings and wears some when we can see them.

I mostly agree with smartcookie on the criticisms of him. Dan has reasons for how he works, how he reacts in the moment and how he expresses his opinions or knowledge, especially in a livestream. I think he is an intelligent guy and very aware of everything, his emotions included.

I praise his eloquence because I think he speaks well. He gets the point across and knows his audience whether it's a liveshow to thousands of us, a press interview or an industry thing like the one in Camden we saw clips of. He adapts well on the spot too, I thought he was very sweet a few times in yesterday's liveshow at the start and the end, talking about the anti-bullying campaign and responding to the person who was worried about their age when they said they're 42.

[rizzo]

Nah. The bit that got me heated was:

"I had no idea what to expect, because unlike all you freaks that would listen to a soundtrack without watching something first. Ugh! Man, I just... I don't get it. i don't get it. I'm not shaming you, but I'm judging you. Ok? So, I'm judging you, but I'm not shaming you."

Because everyone and their mother can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for a ticket, let alone get to a location where Hamilton is playing.

And tbh? I think going into a musical with absolutely zero knowledge of it is a bad idea. Because I think Dan's expectations for a quality production were set by Book of Mormon (which I'm not arguing is bad - I fucking love BoM), but it feels like he and Phil thought Hamilton would be funnier than it was. Why? Because they didn't take any time to look into what made Hamilton good. So reality didn't meet expectation.

I'm pretty sure he's mostly joking about judging people who listen before watching something. He knows he's a bit of an outlier when it comes to avoiding spoilers.

However, I never listen to cast recordings before I see a show, somewhat for spoilers but mostly because I don't feel much connection to a show's music until I see it. I tried with Book of Mormon after it won the Tony(because the album was $5), but it didn't make much of an impression on me, except the one song I saw performed(I Believe). I haven't bothered to listen to Hamilton despite the hype because getting tickets is so hard, despite me living near NYC(now, but I used to live in FL and was lucky to see a handful of touring shows and some local productions). I just won't appreciate it without the visuals and the non-singing dialogue. I also think that knowing what song is coming up next in a show, when I do eventually see it, will change how I experience it, and you can never get a first experience again. If there was never a way to see the/a show, maybe it'd be different for me, but I, like Dan, do have that opportunity and I'm going to take advantage of it.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I understand not wanting to spoil the show, I've certainly done that before. But for me Hamilton's a bit of an outlier in 2 aspects: the difficulty of getting tickets (and in turn how shitty it is to judge people for not waiting to see it) and the fact that there is no dialogue outside of what's on the album. So, outside of visuals, nothing is really being missed. For those who want to say it: Yes, there's one line, but come on.

This is why I say they should have taken some time to learn about it. To understand why they should or shouldn't listen to the album, but moreso to learn about what kind of musical it is and why people are raving. It's one thing to go into something not knowing the plot, it's another to not know the tone or topic and reason for hype - which is what I think Dan and Phil missed based on both of their reactions.

I'm fully aware I'm just being salty and he is mostly joking re: judging people, but it sucks when you're a really big fan of musicals but not up for spending $600 for a nosebleed. Musicals aren't movies. You can't just wait a month and get it on RedBox/Netflix.

All of that said, I still obviously love Dan and Phil and all of these feelings are more from me wishing they had a better Hamilton experience than they did. I feel like they missed out on what made it so great and it makes me sad.

[autumnhearth]

Ooo multiple sets of earrings has me even more excited!

I highly recommend getting ahold of the documentary Hamilton’s America. I caught it on PBS when it aired, but I’m sure there are other ways. I’m very excited that Hamilton is coming to our nearest city this summer, tickets go on sale in two months and my mom is counting on me to be ready to pounce.

[LtrllySusan]

(Somewhat off topic)
I had a lazy day and been watching Queer Eye. Didn't Dan say he's only 3 episodes in? Cause oh boy, he's in for something watching the fourth one then. It's about a closeted gay guy who wants to be more open and come out to his step mom. Me right now ->

(Somewhat on topic)
I am also hoping for a new gaming video today. Has it been that long since the last Sims already?

[argo]

I highly recommend getting ahold of the documentary Hamilton’s America. I caught it on PBS when it aired, but I’m sure there are other ways.

Yes the PBS documentary is great and really gave great meaning and context to the story if you're not familiar with it. And Lin Manuel's style. It's also great if you don't have a chance to actually see the musical!

[noodlebum]

Hi first post, mostly to say how dare he recommend queer eye, I watched 4 episodes while off sick today and cried during the last 3. Wow. Love it.

[DatCog]

(Somewhat off topic)
I had a lazy day and been watching Queer Eye. Didn't Dan say he's only 3 episodes in? Cause oh boy, he's in for something watching the fourth one then. It's about a closeted gay guy who wants to be more open and come out to his step mom. Me right now ->

(Somewhat on topic)
I am also hoping for a new gaming video today. Has it been that long since the last Sims already?

I think that episode of Queer Eye was the most emotional for me - I was such a snotty mess by the end!

I think a big part of why I want to be pre-prepared for Hamilton is because I don't know anything about that part of US history and I don't want to be sat there wondering what on earth is going on! Also, my hearing is a bit rubbish and it's easy for me to miss some of the finer details when the dialogue is all sung, especially as I'll be miles away from the stage and won't be able lip read I need to track down that documentary you mentioned @autumnhearth.