Dan & Phil Part 71: ty ly bb

[liola]

What are people making of the fact that he said he and Phil were in separate rooms?

I don’t think it’s a lie and I think they have separate rooms. They’ve done it before (and people discredited then too) in the tatinof documentary there is a section they are in two rooms and also in the Australia DITL they are also in separate rooms. I mean, the words came out of his mouth “Phil was in the room next door”, so they slept apart imo (also it’s not a big deal for me; they could be sleeping at the venue for all I care). I’m sure they spend the rest of the time together, they clearly ate together and they’re together all day at the show/m&g etc, it’s natural to want to have some time apart.

there are some other questionable parts of the Birmingham show that raised my eyebrow:

Phil was on the wheel of doom. Dan fired at him and it literally got him right next to his penis. Phil obviously whinged about it “if that had been 2 inches to the right” with Dan saYong to him “I strategically hit you in the thigh and you can still have children woo”.

Also, later on in the show they talk about how they can look back at the show and remember how good it was and Dan always says how Phil will be sitting in his rocking chair thinking about how good [insert collective fan name] was. Not that they’ll be sitting there together doing it. Sometimes he changes it up and says Phil will be sitting in space on his rocking chair but it’s always Phil on his own, never together which compared to tatinof where they are both in their rocking chairs seems odd to me.

I'm pretty sure it was later confirmed by Phil himself (I think, maybe it was Dan) during a liveshow that they indeed shared a room, I remember him saying how everyone had to share in Australia and he mentioned how he was obviously sharing with Dan, which is why I always rolled my eyes at that DITL because it was pretty obvious how they just tried to fake it. But anyone correct me if I'm wrong cause my memory is what it is.

Even if they did have separate rooms I wouldn't find it a #phandivorce, I think some times it could be an organization thing.

Not really spoiler but in reply to your post:

about the rocking chair thing, I might be the only one thinking it's about Dan implying he's gonna die first, but maybe I'm just too negative Lmao

I just don't understand why with how much we see them confirm the ways they're tied together and how much they show us they're content being together that people have to find every single ways to prove that this is the last toir/theyre separating/they don't see a future together etc. I really don't get it? There are so many more things that point to them not even thinking about separating any time soon..

[ratlad]

What are people making of the fact that he said he and Phil were in separate rooms?

I don’t think it’s a lie and I think they have separate rooms. They’ve done it before (and people discredited then too) in the tatinof documentary there is a section they are in two rooms and also in the Australia DITL they are also in separate rooms. I mean, the words came out of his mouth “Phil was in the room next door”, so they slept apart imo (also it’s not a big deal for me; they could be sleeping at the venue for all I care). I’m sure they spend the rest of the time together, they clearly ate together and they’re together all day at the show/m&g etc, it’s natural to want to have some time apart.

there are some other questionable parts of the Birmingham show that raised my eyebrow:

Phil was on the wheel of doom. Dan fired at him and it literally got him right next to his penis. Phil obviously whinged about it “if that had been 2 inches to the right” with Dan saYong to him “I strategically hit you in the thigh and you can still have children woo”.

Also, later on in the show they talk about how they can look back at the show and remember how good it was and Dan always says how Phil will be sitting in his rocking chair thinking about how good [insert collective fan name] was. Not that they’ll be sitting there together doing it. Sometimes he changes it up and says Phil will be sitting in space on his rocking chair but it’s always Phil on his own, never together which compared to tatinof where they are both in their rocking chairs seems odd to me.

I'm pretty sure it was later confirmed by Phil himself (I think, maybe it was Dan) during a liveshow that they indeed shared a room, I remember him saying how everyone had to share in Australia and he mentioned how he was obviously sharing with Dan, which is why I always rolled my eyes at that DITL because it was pretty obvious how they just tried to fake it. But anyone correct me if I'm wrong cause my memory is what it is.

Even if they did have separate rooms I wouldn't find it a #phandivorce, I think some times it could be an organization thing.

Not really spoiler but in reply to your post:

about the rocking chair thing, I might be the only one thinking it's about Dan implying he's gonna die first, but maybe I'm just too negative Lmao

I just don't understand why with how much we see them confirm the ways they're tied together and how much they show us they're content being together that people have to find every single ways to prove that this is the last toir/theyre separating/they don't see a future together etc. I really don't get it? There are so many more things that point to them not even thinking about separating any time soon..

tbh i think the room phil "woke up" in during Australia DITL was just martyn and cornelias.

[Grumpybisexual]

Isn't funny though that "What would you save from a burning building : your phone or your friends?" is an actual question that's part of the show and every night Dan roasts the audience for choosing "phone" but then he did exactly that?

[autumnhearth]

What are people making of the fact that he said he and Phil were in separate rooms?

I don’t think it’s a lie and I think they have separate rooms. They’ve done it before (and people discredited then too) in the tatinof documentary there is a section they are in two rooms and also in the Australia DITL they are also in separate rooms. I mean, the words came out of his mouth “Phil was in the room next door”, so they slept apart imo (also it’s not a big deal for me; they could be sleeping at the venue for all I care). I’m sure they spend the rest of the time together, they clearly ate together and they’re together all day at the show/m&g etc, it’s natural to want to have some time apart.

there are some other questionable parts of the Birmingham show that raised my eyebrow:

Phil was on the wheel of doom. Dan fired at him and it literally got him right next to his penis. Phil obviously whinged about it “if that had been 2 inches to the right” with Dan saYong to him “I strategically hit you in the thigh and you can still have children woo”.

Also, later on in the show they talk about how they can look back at the show and remember how good it was and Dan always says how Phil will be sitting in his rocking chair thinking about how good [insert collective fan name] was. Not that they’ll be sitting there together doing it. Sometimes he changes it up and says Phil will be sitting in space on his rocking chair but it’s always Phil on his own, never together which compared to tatinof where they are both in their rocking chairs seems odd to me.

I'm pretty sure it was later confirmed by Phil himself (I think, maybe it was Dan) during a liveshow that they indeed shared a room, I remember him saying how everyone had to share in Australia and he mentioned how he was obviously sharing with Dan, which is why I always rolled my eyes at that DITL because it was pretty obvious how they just tried to fake it. But anyone correct me if I'm wrong cause my memory is what it is.

Even if they did have separate rooms I wouldn't find it a #phandivorce, I think some times it could be an organization thing.

Not really spoiler but in reply to your post:

about the rocking chair thing, I might be the only one thinking it's about Dan implying he's gonna die first, but maybe I'm just too negative Lmao

I just don't understand why with how much we see them confirm the ways they're tied together and how much they show us they're content being together that people have to find every single ways to prove that this is the last toir/theyre separating/they don't see a future together etc. I really don't get it? There are so many more things that point to them not even thinking about separating any time soon..

tbh i think the room phil "woke up" in during Australia DITL was just martyn and cornelias.

Eh that’s only part of the story. Phil said in a liveshow that for the Australian leg of TATINOF they were housed in apartments, two people per apartment (that were probably two bedrooms anyway). But for whatever reason with the DITL they stayed in a hotel.

[Amiaw]

They definitely could be sleeping in separate rooms, they could have a 2 room suite, they could also be sharing but I don't think we'll really ever know for sure unless they confirm it.

With Dan and Phil it's easier to take what they say at face value if you are a casual fan. It's the little things - like the succulents. In the show Phil refers to them as his but in a liveshow he very clearly said all of the succulents were Dan's and he was their "uncle". Also, with the apartment. There have been a few instances were Phil has said "his neighbors" or "this is my house" when he's telling a story and then he turns around and tell the same story and it's now their shared apartment. Dan does this too so it's hard to figure out what the truth is exactly.

and not really a spoiler but related to the tour

Do they still do the speech at the end where they talk about doing separate things at the end of the tour? I haven't heard anyone talking about it since the first shows?

[missemma]

They definitely could be sleeping in separate rooms, they could have a 2 room suite, they could also be sharing but I don't think we'll really ever know for sure unless they confirm it.

I mean him saying Phil was in the room next door is pretty much a confirmation for me they weren’t sleeping in the same room. Not sure what else you’d want him to say.

and not really a spoiler but related to the tour

Do they still do the speech at the end where they talk about doing separate things at the end of the tour? I haven't heard anyone talking about it since the first shows?

nope, Dan changed the wording for the evening Brighton show and then since cut it out completely. Can’t blame him seeing as the phandom got really worries and the audience pretty much collectively gasped. On humans audio one of the people in front of us even says something like “what’s he saying”. Probably didn’t wanna risk that precious merch sale decreasing so cut it

Also, if you guys can link to the live show where they talk about getting an apartment I’d love to see it. I can’t remember that at all (although I didn’t watch all the Phil live shows anyway).

[alittledizzy]

They definitely could be sleeping in separate rooms, they could have a 2 room suite, they could also be sharing but I don't think we'll really ever know for sure unless they confirm it.

With Dan and Phil it's easier to take what they say at face value if you are a casual fan. It's the little things - like the succulents. In the show Phil refers to them as his but in a liveshow he very clearly said all of the succulents were Dan's and he was their "uncle". Also, with the apartment. There have been a few instances were Phil has said "his neighbors" or "this is my house" when he's telling a story and then he turns around and tell the same story and it's now their shared apartment. Dan does this too so it's hard to figure out what the truth is exactly.

and not really a spoiler but related to the tour

Do they still do the speech at the end where they talk about doing separate things at the end of the tour? I haven't heard anyone talking about it since the first shows?

Your whole point about how they swap between 'my' and 'our' even with things we irrefutably know they share is why I never panic over things like hotel rooms. Also, I just don't care that much. I'm pretty sure they share even when fans are in a tizzy convinced they aren't, but if they do have separate rooms - okay. I don't think they're together because of a hotel room situation, I think they're together because of a 'whole of their lives for the past eight years' situation.

I also strongly agree with @liola's point about not seeing any reason at all to think that this tour is the end of anything, except maybe literally touring - I do believe them when they say that they don't intend on doing it again. (While also understanding that in their career they can't really predict what opportunities will arise.) They used the same terminology around TATINOF, people had the same fears and expressed the same panic, and 2017 brought us nothing but a deeper committed closer Dan and Phil.

What Emma said, they cut that part after just two or three shows.

[captainspacecoat]

I don't really care whether they slept in the same room or not (it doesn't prove anything to me either way, being someone who 100% believes they're together based on broader implications/suggestions), although I will say maybe I'm a dumbass but "Phil was in the next room" didn't at all imply to me 'a separate hotel room next door', it implied 'the room next to the bathroom that Dan showered in'.

As in, the bedroom of their suite or whatever. Like that's what immediately sprung to mind when I read the words. Which admittedly, you'd think if Dan passed that room on his way to evacuate Phil would have gone with him, so maybe they were in separate rooms, but just thought I'd put that out there

Also, if you guys can link to the live show where they talk about getting an apartment I’d love to see it. I can’t remember that at all (although I didn’t watch all the Phil live shows anyway).

I can't link it because I'm tired and about to go to bed lmao, but from memory he wasn't talking about Adelaide (where the DITL was filmed). I think maybe it was specifically in reference to Melbourne? Maybe Sydney/Brisbane too idk. But I definitely remember him saying that they stayed in apartments, two people per apartment, and he and Dan shared.

[rizzo]

The whole convo of whether or not they share rooms is so strange to me. Not because I'm not interested, but because when you REALLY think about it, it's such pointless information as it applies to their relationship.

I can't figure out if it was the phandom or D&P themselves that created this kind of scrutiny, but it just seems so wholly unnecessary. I mean, sure, it's nice to know they're close enough to share a room, but in the end that tells us nothing? I hope they share a room because it makes no monetary sense not to. At the risk of sounding anti (though I'm very much not), I've shared rooms with coworkers, friends, family, etc etc. This isn't conclusive evidence of anything.

I come from a place of generally accepting that they're together, but there are a million details I want to know more than whether or not they both slept in a room with 2 beds. IDK, bro.

This goes the other way too. If they split rooms - ok? Great. They can apparently afford it. They want a break from each other or just a King bed to lie diagonally across. Good for them.

[obvsly]

I don't think them being booked into 2 separate rooms proves anything either. I worked in artist relations in the past and when you have 2 talents with no confirmed relationship status, you book 2 rooms as a norm, unless they specifically request one shared room. They might use both rooms or only one in the end, that's not anyone else's business, but you may not assume they only want one. Well, I don't know for sure if this is the case for them but it's just based on my experience.

However, reading what Dan said about it, I interpreted it a little differently. The time was 10.30 and Dan was alone taking a shower. He thought about his phone and laptop and didn't check if Phil was there before going down. I think he assumed Phil was already down there having breakfast or something. I think he only found out afterwards Phil was upstairs and just next door (Phil's room or with one of the staff/management or whoever.) It's a bit strange Dan didn't check first about Phil and I think this scenario can explain it.

[autumnhearth]

@missemma he talks about where they stayed at 28:45 in this liveshow, but I enjoyed listening to all his Australia and Hong Kong stories before that. Like their crew being made up of nice Australian surfers who like metal. Lol at Phil calling himself a “room service fiend” ya don’t say? Just a heads up there is a disconnect from streaming around the 7-8 min mark.



Edit to add: ooo! You know how people were freaking out over what they thought was a bisexual pride magnet on the fridge in their Easter Baking vid? Well it’s a Hong Kong magnet seen at 31 mins. Mystery solved!

[human]

Tbh I wouldn’t have expected Dan to say anything else besides something along the lines of I didn’t care about Phil so just got myself out yeah whatever. If he’d stood on stage telling us he had freaked out because Phil wasn’t answering when he knocked on his door, or wasn’t answering his phone and he was panicked so ran downstairs to see if Phil was there instead, people would discuss and analyse that even more than they are the version we were told already lol.

[knq]

Isn't funny though that "What would you save from a burning building : your phone or your friends?" is an actual question that's part of the show and every night Dan roasts the audience for choosing "phone" but then he did exactly that?

This is such an underappreciated observation.

@autumnhearth You found the magnets! I'm slightly surprised no one remembered Phil showing the camera two magnets in a liveshow a year and a half ago... and then I'm surprised at myself for being surprised at that because like, it was a year and a half ago.

This is pretty off topic from the current discussion, but quoting from the transcript @alittledizzy blesses us with:

D: So you know good thing I didn't wait for you to get my phone or laptop so there we go, I didn't die in a fire but I nearly died from exercising.

This is why I get confused about rumors like "Phil accidentally said 'our' bed on stage" going around. Because why would it be meaningful if he did. When you look at what Dan and Phil actually say, especially typed out, it often doesn't make perfect sense. They flip words from the beginning of a sentence to the end. They use common phrases to mean their opposite. The throw in some words related to the topic but unrelated to the sentence they're saying. Would Phil accidentally saying 'our bed' be any more meaningful than Dan saying 'our mum' in a gaming video?

What I'm saying is: they're secretly twin brothers who share a bed but not an apartment and we shouldn't shame them for it okay

[alittledizzy]

This is pretty off topic from the current discussion, but quoting from the transcript @alittledizzy blesses us with:

D: So you know good thing I didn't wait for you to get my phone or laptop so there we go, I didn't die in a fire but I nearly died from exercising.

This is why I get confused about rumors like "Phil accidentally said 'our' bed on stage" going around. Because why would it be meaningful if he did. When you look at what Dan and Phil actually say, especially typed out, it often doesn't make perfect sense. They flip words from the beginning of a sentence to the end. They use common phrases to mean their opposite. The throw in some words related to the topic but unrelated to the sentence they're saying. Would Phil accidentally saying 'our bed' be any more meaningful than Dan saying 'our mum' in a gaming video?

What I'm saying is: they're secretly twin brothers who share a bed but not an apartment and we shouldn't shame them for it okay

Yeah this is an issue I'm trying to work out, because I get a lot of questions about transcripts involving things that don't make sense to people and I have no real answer besides... have you heard Dan Howell try to speak? Sometimes he straight up just slams two full and contradictory thoughts together and doesn't pause or go back to correct himself. His brain works faster than his mouth, I doubt he even notices most of the time - and when you're actually listening it's obvious what he's done but reading it back in print later I think people expect dialogue to look more like what you'd seen in a fanfic. You know, gracefully worded and expressing something with clarity and precision.

Whereas irl even when Dan isn't actually misspeaking you get more stuff like:

P: I can do a sport!
D: A sport?
P: Yeah.
D: Would you do a sport?
P: Like do a sport.
D: What sport would you be good at?

It's just one of those situations where expectation and reality....... don't line up.

[ratlad]

This is pretty off topic from the current discussion, but quoting from the transcript @alittledizzy blesses us with:

D: So you know good thing I didn't wait for you to get my phone or laptop so there we go, I didn't die in a fire but I nearly died from exercising.

This is why I get confused about rumors like "Phil accidentally said 'our' bed on stage" going around. Because why would it be meaningful if he did. When you look at what Dan and Phil actually say, especially typed out, it often doesn't make perfect sense. They flip words from the beginning of a sentence to the end. They use common phrases to mean their opposite. The throw in some words related to the topic but unrelated to the sentence they're saying. Would Phil accidentally saying 'our bed' be any more meaningful than Dan saying 'our mum' in a gaming video?

What I'm saying is: they're secretly twin brothers who share a bed but not an apartment and we shouldn't shame them for it okay

Yeah this is an issue I'm trying to work out, because I get a lot of questions about transcripts involving things that don't make sense to people and I have no real answer besides... have you heard Dan Howell try to speak? Sometimes he straight up just slams two full and contradictory thoughts together and doesn't pause or go back to correct himself. His brain works faster than his mouth, I doubt he even notices most of the time - and when you're actually listening it's obvious what he's done but reading it back in print later I think people expect dialogue to look more like what you'd seen in a fanfic. You know, gracefully worded and expressing something with clarity and precision.

Whereas irl even when Dan isn't actually misspeaking you get more stuff like:

P: I can do a sport!
D: A sport?
P: Yeah.
D: Would you do a sport?
P: Like do a sport.
D: What sport would you be good at?

It's just one of those situations where expectation and reality....... don't line up.

the only thing i'm just confused about is how he said it, (not waiting for phil to grab his phone or laptop) i can't figure out what tone he used. i just have trouble with comprehending sentences/tone of voice. sorry if i sound annoying or as if i'm beating a dead horse, my brain is just stuck on that part and won't leave me alone

[Templeofshame]

the only thing i'm just confused about is how he said it, (not waiting for phil to grab his phone or laptop) i can't figure out what tone he used. i just have trouble with comprehending sentences/tone of voice. sorry if i sound annoying or as if i'm beating a dead horse, my brain is just stuck on that part and won't leave me alone

I was wondering about this too. Like, apart from misspeaking issues, I'm wondering if it was more "good thing I didn't wait for [you to grab get my phone or laptop]" or more "good thing I didn't wait for you [to get my phone or laptop]" or something else? I feel like the second one makes more sense with Dan's claim that he grabbed his own phone and laptop before running down 8 flights of stairs. I initially read it as the first one and was confused. But there are probably other reasonable interpretations in there, even before factoring in ways he may have been misspeaking.

[liola]

the only thing i'm just confused about is how he said it, (not waiting for phil to grab his phone or laptop) i can't figure out what tone he used. i just have trouble with comprehending sentences/tone of voice. sorry if i sound annoying or as if i'm beating a dead horse, my brain is just stuck on that part and won't leave me alone

I was wondering about this too. Like, apart from misspeaking issues, I'm wondering if it was more "good thing I didn't wait for [you to grab get my phone or laptop]" or more "good think I didn't wait for you [to get my phone or laptop]" or something else? I feel like the second one makes more sense with Dan's claim that he grabbed his own phone and laptop before running down 8 flights of stairs. I initially read it as the first one and was confused. But there are probably other reasonable interpretations in there, even before factoring in ways he may have been misspeaking.

I was wondering about it too, especially as someone whose first langauge isn't English, it's confusing how that sentence can mean two completely different things and is ambiguous, in Italian the meaning would be obvious for example

was Dan waiting for Phil to be ready/come back to the room to grab his stuff and leave so heI knew he was safe o did Dan imply that PHIL would get his stuff and leave, that means two complete different things god English I both love you and hate you in these situations

[Amiaw]

Dan is notorious for overthinking things and then not being able to express them the way he wants and that has always caused confusion in the phandom. I wonder if part of that comes from trying to keep Daniel Howell and “Daniel Howell” separate.

It is probably exhausting trying to keep a heightened version of yourself alive for audiences so they both probably tell us modified versions of events -“party stories” to keep us entertained and not give up too much of themselves

(And see - you don’t even have to be famous to have jumbled thoughts. This post was a mess)

[autumnhearth]

Rest up boys.

[human]

Those boys are nuts lol Cardiff is literally glorious right now, we’re having a blast and it’s so sunny and hot!

Still, hope that Sims video is almost done, lads!

[autumnhearth]

I would definitely take advantage of a day in Wales, but I imagine they have things to attend to... like in home haircuts apparently. Nice shirt Phil.

[ratlad]

is phil resting his head on the fluffy foot pillow from WITL???
edit, mainly for my own sake because hehehehe:
since phil got his haircut in the moon room from witl, and just got it done now, along with tweeting that he's reunited with his bed.... i forget what point i was trying to make here,,, but you get it.
im so annoying

[autumnhearth]

is phil resting his head on the fluffy foot pillow from WITL???

Looks like Dan’s/their furry blanket to me. You can see an edge and the underside.

[liola]

Jesus that second insta story, my god he looks glorious that's the only word I can think of. Just. I forgot everything else I wanted to say.

[rizzo]

is phil resting his head on the fluffy foot pillow from WITL???
edit, mainly for my own sake because hehehehe:
since phil got his haircut in the moon room from witl, and just got it done now, along with tweeting that he's reunited with his bed.... i forget what point i was trying to make here,,, but you get it.
im so annoying

you and i had the exact same thought. my goggles are on tight and SECURE.

i want to write the most absurd dissertation about how phil's new quiff has him consistently radiating confidence. he just looks so happy lately and so full of just... pride in himself??? and i like i love him and i love his self-love and i'm just so happy for his happiness? i mean look at that swish swish bish photo. like, the guy is INTO HIMSELF and honestly? same, phil. same. i'm emotional.