Dan & Phil Part 76: i can't i don't have legs

[Phantasy]

From Dan's likes...

[Stakhanov]

Political Dan. Yassssss.
Great news from the world's largest democracy I hope it builds to an unstoppable momentum that doesn't only remove homosexuality from the penal code, but brings out proposals to effectively combat societal discrimination on domains like housing, employment... and ultimately marriage too! May the ghost be out of the bottle. In the whole of east-asia.

[ratlad]

From Dan's likes...

fuck!!! yes!!!
i'm so happy for them, i hope LGBTQ rights progress from there on

about the rize shows- they give me more of a positive feeling than the ones they did back at home. these to me don't seem 'forced', i think the stories we get from 'em makes dnp in a better mood since they're travelling and doing something cool as hell.
the individual liveshows at home always left me feeling... empty? kinda overwhelmed? i'm not sure why. honestly, those felt more 'forced' to me than rize shows do. they had not much to talk about at the beginning of the year and then there was that one Cursed Liveshow that left me feeling reaaaalllyyy shit. watching people in low moods really affects me negatively for days after... i don't mind watching low energy or hearing someone vent, it's just there's something different about rize shows that i looked forward to watching later and put me in a good mood. (watching live gives me anxiety)
although i still very much dislike the app itself, i adore them together telling us stories about their eventful day and being domestic.

[knq]

Perception is so interesting in its diversity, especially related to understanding and reading other people.

I'm of the opinion that Dan is "on" as soon as anything that he remotely considers a witness or anyone that isn't in his intimate circle is around, so I'm always surprised when people say they think he's being his most authentic self in liveshows.
I don't see that at all. I think he has improved a LOT but I think he has at least 5 more years of therapy, maturity and self-analysis to allow himself to be actually relaxed and spontaneous in public.
In the meantime, what the audience sees in him imo is more projection than reality.

Phil's Amazingphil in liveshows, on the other hand, I think is just himself with some areas turned off, and a bit more smiley.
I'm also of the idea that people have taken Phil's "anxiety" a bit too far and a bit too literally. Being nervous about certain interactions or being a bit shy doesn't equal someone having a social anxiety disorder.
If any one of the two has a harder time making authentic connections with people in small interactions for me is definitely Dan. He may be ready to fight for a cinema seat, but Phil is the one who may leave learning something about the strangers around them just from a casual chat.

Oh, what a treat is my addition to armchair psychology history. You're so very welcome.

Armchair psychology sign me the fuck up!

Dan at a M&G really highlights why they called the tour Interactive Introverts, imo. He's the epitome of an introvert switched on in a social setting and turned up 200%. But I think that shows how many levels of "on" there are. While Dan is never going to be a creature caught in his natural environment on camera, there are times when he's clearly more comfortable, more willing to allow for silences, more willing to accept that the person he's talking to might be bored or disinterested and keep talking anyway, or more willing to let Phil be 'on' and in charge, which I think is what we see some of the time in the Rize liveshows that can feel refreshing. (tangent within a tangent, but in the first liveshow that they pulled fans on the screen, Dan expressed anxiety about it all going wrong and then said "but I believe in Phil" and damn, I feel that.)

I bolded part of you comment because of just how damn much I agree. When you collect the stories Dan and Phil tell about 'awkward' things Dan did in public, so many of them sound like an introvert with their switch stuck in the on position. They're often stories about how Dan tried to make some joke or do some entertaining thing that confused or put-off the other person because they weren't having the kind of interaction where Dan going into entertainer mode was appropriate. Like, 'get 'muffin'side me' and 'backing it up for Bilbo' are absolutely jokes Dan would make in gaming videos. They end up being awkward moments because they're inappropriate for the context, which is just like, ordering coffee or taking a photo for some strangers.

So I'd hesitate to call a Dan who is "on" (and damn I wish I could think of a better word for that. I keep wanting to say "turned on." pfft) a less authentic version of himself. He's like that meeting fans, he's like that in liveshows, he's like that ordering coffee and visiting tourist attractions. His dinof videos suggest he has a judgmental sort of 'observing ego' that he might perform for, either in his own mind or externally, even when he's entirely alone. imo there's a real possibility that he's like that when no one is watching--as he talks to himself--just because Dan is always watching Dan.

On the AP side of things, I always enjoy it when Phil talks about his anxiety because I find it relatable and because it's refreshing to hear about his internal experiences, which isn't something he often chooses to share, but I'm not sure I've seen too much discussion about Phil having a social anxiety disorder outside of perhaps fan fiction. I don't delve too deeply into tumblr so perhaps that's a more common discussion there, dunno. He may or he may not, I don't think he's said either way, but at least for me when I talk about Phil's social anxiety I'm not trying to diagnose him, just relating to his experiences.

And, as I said, it's good to see Phil describe his emotional experiences. The recent liveshow where Dan poked him until he admitted he didn't actually cry at Hobbiton sort of highlighted that for me. Dan was being a brat there, so don't @ me, but I also think it's healthy and important for Phil to describe his own experiences in a way that's, like, accurate to how they felt, rather than perhaps just how Dan would describe an experience. That little interaction made me wonder if Phil thinks the only way to describe an intense emotional reaction is to say you cried, just because Dan is a big crier and Phil spends all his time with Dan. So when Phil talks about types of anxiety he experiences and Dan doesn't, or about repressing his emotions, even in a joking way, I'm always there for that.

/that was more than a bit of a ramble soz

[alittledizzy]

On the AP side of things, I always enjoy it when Phil talks about his anxiety because I find it relatable and because it's refreshing to hear about his internal experiences, which isn't something he often chooses to share, but I'm not sure I've seen too much discussion about Phil having a social anxiety disorder outside of perhaps fan fiction. I don't delve too deeply into tumblr so perhaps that's a more common discussion there, dunno. He may or he may not, I don't think he's said either way, but at least for me when I talk about Phil's social anxiety I'm not trying to diagnose him, just relating to his experiences.

What a fantastic post. I plucked this bit out because it's what I want to respond to, but that entire thing is just - imagine me kissing my fingers or something cheesy like that. I hope someone else bites into the Dan side of the discussion because it's just endlessly fascinating to me to see people unravel his layers.

But re: Phil, I agree with not seeing many people discuss Phil having a social anxiety disorder. I am definitely someone who really enjoys analyzing those moments, but I know I specifically am very careful to use the word anxiety in conjunction with times that Dan or Phil have describe Phil's behavior as anxiety based. The distinction you're making here is important. Anxiety/social meerkat mode/etc are phrases that they themselves have used multiple times, but they're also not specifying it's disordered behavior so much as describing anxious tendencies. I think it's clear (again, referencing their usage of the words) that Phil has a personality that veers towards being anxious, but we would have absolutely no way of knowing if it's an anxiety disorder unless Phil himself chose to divulge that. I think it's fine for us to stay in the middle ground, much like we did with Dan before his depression video, where we're not ignoring the things that they say but also not pretending that it's an official diagnosis that we as the audience knows about. And generally I think people are pretty good about that.

[chatterbox]

Long time lurker but this conversation is just too interesting not to join in (sorry for such a long first post). My initial reaction was ‘I really love the Rize liveshows but somehow also miss the old computer liveshows and I kinda hope they go back to them’ and then I was trying to put my finger on exactly what it is I miss about them. I actually think it’s not really anything to do with how authentic or whatever they’re acting – everything I have to say on that has already been said, and I fully agree that neither of them (but especially not Dan) is going to be 100% relaxed and “real” with a camera on them. So like in that sense I don’t think there’s been much difference between the old and new shows.

I think for me its really more about the content of the shows. You know when you’re seeing friends for the first time in a while and you spend the first half hour or so catching each other up on what’s happened since you last met, telling funny anecdotes etc.? And that’s lovely and obviously you want to hear those stories. But then after you’ve run out of news to tell, you spend the rest of the time playing stupid games, or gossiping about celebs, or discussing films/books/CDs, or going off on ridiculous tangents, or having weird under-informed but still kinda interesting philosophical/political debates. And that’s maybe even better? I think Rize shows, because they’re usually shorter, and also because they just are doing so much on tour and have so much to tell, always feel like that ‘catching-up’ part, and the old liveshows felt more like the ‘shooting the shit’ part. Does that even make sense?

So like in old Dan liveshows I was genuinely interested in his opinions on music (but I get why a lot of people might not care, its just personal preference), and kind of enjoyed his ‘deep’ rambling (while fully recognising that is was not, actually, that deep). Of course there were some kind of unpleasant moments when he was in a bad mood or defensive about something or really put his foot in his mouth, but those didn’t ruin his liveshows for me overall. And in old joint liveshows I enjoyed the silly games they would play to kill time (karaoke, who can jump further, what’s in my hand?, drawing game). Got to admit, solo AP liveshows aren’t really my cup of tea. I love love love seeing them so happy in the new shows, and there have been some great stories and hilarious banter, but I also kind of like the inane rambling of the old shows. They felt just a bit more casual, and I sort of like that I can zone out listening to them, or just have them on as background noise (whereas in Rize shows I don’t want to miss any exciting stories). So basically, both please?

[fancybum]

I think for me its really more about the content of the shows. You know when you’re seeing friends for the first time in a while and you spend the first half hour or so catching each other up on what’s happened since you last met, telling funny anecdotes etc.? And that’s lovely and obviously you want to hear those stories. But then after you’ve run out of news to tell, you spend the rest of the time playing stupid games, or gossiping about celebs, or discussing films/books/CDs, or going off on ridiculous tangents, or having weird under-informed but still kinda interesting philosophical/political debates. And that’s maybe even better? I think Rize shows, because they’re usually shorter, and also because they just are doing so much on tour and have so much to tell, always feel like that ‘catching-up’ part, and the old liveshows felt more like the ‘shooting the shit’ part. Does that even make sense?

This makes perfect sense yesss :thanks:

And just to add on to it, for me personally, the tour isn't even something I necessarily want to hear that much about so all that 'catching up' isn't even doing anything for me but making me more sad lol. I just want them to be at home and being boring and talking about being at home and being boring. I just have to keep thinking 'home stretch home stretch almost there'.

[glitterintheair]

Ngl, I would like to know what a Phil's ls would be like nowadays. The last time we got one was in January, wasn't it? Phil has changed a lot since then; his progress on his own channel, on the gaming channel and on Rize is noticeable and while in the past there was quite a distinction between the Phil on AmazingPhil and the Phil on the gaming channel and in the ls, I think now they're more or less the same Phil(and i think it's interesting the comparison with how Dan has been evolving in the last two years or so, because to me Phil might take longer to come up with a decision and stays quiet until he goes through with it, but once he does, than he immediately goes fully into it and never turns back; while Dan is more someone who announces to the world that he's doing something even if he's not 100% ready and sometimes he stumbles trying to reach his goal. Both valid situations, of course, but I thought this highlights one of the differences between them).

Anyway, it'd be interesting to see how post-quiff!Phil would do in a liveshow without Dan to rely on.

[phanfckingtastic]

Yeah, @watsonian , thanks for the reply btw
to clarify I don't think Dan's public personality (even off camera, irl outside in the world) is fake.
(And I feel like I understand it very well because I see myself in him between the ages of 8 and 16. Maybe that's why he makes me cringe a lot more than Phil lol. But during that time, despite finding it very easy to stand my ground or ask for things from strangers if I thought they were within my right, I would rehearse every thing I wanted to say in my own head several times before speaking out loud, and even plot out the different possible outcomes, I used to blush and get embarrassed over any little public faux pas, get very caught up in others' views of myself and often found myself rambling on and on at parties or during phone calls, especially if it involved new people or I was speaking in front of a group.) Like Dan, I'm also an introvert but not a shy person.
At 16 I tried a few new hobbies that pulled me out of my comfort zone, and I suddenly but consciously stopped giving a fuck about other people's opinions, and was able to be much more relaxed, started to be more evenly myself regardless of the setting or the company.
As you see, I'm also projecting like crazy lmao

Just wanted to make that distinction re my previous post, that I don't see Dan as a liar or a phony, but as someone who is still not able to be spontaneous with people he doesn't know well, and no matter how cas' liveshows are supposed to be, liveshow Dan is "in professional defense mode" to me more than anything else. He has to deliver news and do promo, he has to get feedback about recent work, also get a sense of what his audience is into at that moment (his "opening tabs" etc), all that without leaving too much dead silence and answering a few specific questions but keeping it engaging yet vague enough. And add to that in the background a phandom history of intrusion and gossip. I bet ideally Dan would like to be able to script his liveshows even more, beyond the list of reminders or bullet points.
But just like I don't think "real" d&p are their saccharine pastel personas, I also don't take Dan as this fragile tortured soul, an image from liveshows that many people grab onto. He's an overthinker for sure but he has improved a lot and imo just needs a bit more time and life experience to be fully comfortable in himself.

About Phil, I mentioned the word disorder about Phil's anxiety in certain situations because I've read many descriptions that sound like he has the mental condition known as anxiety instead of "he experiences or has experienced the feeling of anxiety" in certain situations, as a synonym of nervousness, which I think is more how he would describe it himself (forever guessing over here, of course). Being hyper aware or being nervous when making a phone call, for example, doesn't mean he has anxiety, but as he admitted himself he has control issues and seems to have a tendency to micromanage. To use two examples, Phil gets nervous imposing himself on people but also a few years ago renewing their contract negotiated a better rent price with the landlord for the old apartment (if I recall correctly), and would keep an eye on what the gas people were doing. Dan said he wouldn't do it himself because he didn't care, but I also don't see Dan making small talk with them at all, while Phil managed to (awkwardly, reluctantly) discuss flow pipes Anyway. I'm all over the place. It's wonderful when mental health issues are openly discussed, but in his case I would make the distinction to call it more a personality trait of Phil's rather than actual anxiety.

tldr
Did I make any sense?
In conclusion: from my armchair I'm prescribing Dan a daily meditation chanting director Ed's wise advice for tatinof: "be in your body, not your head".
-
and can I ask twice in the same day for a new video? it's weird that Phil hasn't hinted at a new ap vid, tho, right? the forehead exposure and the collective thirst has changed him, man

[liola]

This conversation is just so good, I'm loving reading everyone's opinion. Like I said it IS fascinating and interesting to me, that was not sarcastic, because I realize how different our perspective is.

I'm on the boat of finding Dan's solo liveshows often my least favourite content, and that's because he often projects this aura of being on, of "performing" for his audience and without Phil there to distract him and making him focus on other things, it can be easy for him to let his anxious energy out and through the screen. And that's fine, God of course it is, he's fucking human, but for me personally, someone who find Dan relatable in a lot of things and particularly when it comes to behaviour and mental health, I can't stand it. I've found myself dreading Dan's solo liveshows because the anxious energy, even when it's not inherently negative, is too much for me to handle. When he starts fidgeting and look around, without Phil there or a video to distract him, when he's waffling about it makes me feel anxious. And that's not on Dan per se, it's my projection issues.

Then we have the whole passive aggressive reactions and mocking of the audience that can happen that just makes me feel bad, and I just.. Even with beautiful calm liveshow, because those exist in Dan's ecosystem, I find myself always on edge that negativity is coming. I don't find that on Rize shows, because he has something to focus on.

On the other hand, I do miss Phil solo shows more. They're calm and high energy and I can listen to him talk for hours, even of he's not saying anything substantial, just like I'm listening to an old friend waffle about something completely pointless but his energy has a positive effect on me. Do I want more openness from him? Yes. Do I think Phil could have really interesting and complicated feelings on mental health, from experience as a bystander with Dan or experiencing first base, that I wish we knew? Hell yeah. I hope he goes back to solo shows, even random ones, and gives us more of this confident open 2018 Phil because I want to get to know him!

...So this was a Long post, sorry. I wouldn't mind having a video btw, and I'm craving solo videos as well.

[phanfckingtastic]

oh, in case it didn't read sarcastically enough, I'm being (mostly) facetious about the deepak chopra advice, nothing in life is that simple. But I do recognise that Dan has done a lot of work on himself, I applaud him for that and only wish good things, hopefully one day he gets to be exactly who he wants to be wherever he goes

[ratlad]

This conversation is just so good, I'm loving reading everyone's opinion. Like I said it IS fascinating and interesting to me, that was not sarcastic, because I realize how different our perspective is.

I'm on the boat of finding Dan's solo liveshows often my least favourite content, and that's because he often projects this aura of being on, of "performing" for his audience and without Phil there to distract him and making him focus on other things, it can be easy for him to let his anxious energy out and through the screen. And that's fine, God of course it is, he's fucking human, but for me personally, someone who find Dan relatable in a lot of things and particularly when it comes to behaviour and mental health, I can't stand it. I've found myself dreading Dan's solo liveshows because the anxious energy, even when it's not inherently negative, is too much for me to handle. When he starts fidgeting and look around, without Phil there or a video to distract him, when he's waffling about it makes me feel anxious. And that's not on Dan per se, it's my projection issues.

Then we have the whole passive aggressive reactions and mocking of the audience that can happen that just makes me feel bad, and I just.. Even with beautiful calm liveshow, because those exist in Dan's ecosystem, I find myself always on edge that negativity is coming. I don't find that on Rize shows, because he has something to focus on.

On the other hand, I do miss Phil solo shows more. They're calm and high energy and I can listen to him talk for hours, even of he's not saying anything substantial, just like I'm listening to an old friend waffle about something completely pointless but his energy has a positive effect on me. Do I want more openness from him? Yes. Do I think Phil could have really interesting and complicated feelings on mental health, from experience as a bystander with Dan or experiencing first base, that I wish we knew? Hell yeah. I hope he goes back to solo shows, even random ones, and gives us more of this confident open 2018 Phil because I want to get to know him!

...So this was a Long post, sorry. I wouldn't mind having a video btw, and I'm craving solo videos as well.

i am nodding my head aggressively and agreeing because SAME !!!!!

also unrelated- i just watched a couple of Natalie Tran's older vids and i.... am in lov,,, i kinda see where dan's 2010-2013 vid inspiration came from. although i found myself laughing more at Natalie's videos than i ever have at dan's earlier content.
i am immediately stanning her from this point on.

[LtrllySusan]

Out of interest, I made a survey: https://www.strawpoll.me/16410235
"Would you rather have 2 solo liveshows per week or 1 joint one?"

[coffeepenguin]

I was just thinking about how I could express my thoughts on the liveshows (because apparently, it's something I feel strongly enough about to come out of my perpetual lurkdome, who knew) and then chatterbox went and said it all except for the thing where I actually love watching both of their liveshows, and especially with the evolution of the gaming channel, I feel like we get enough of their interactions already, whereas I love to have the opportunity to get to know them individually, too, like Phil not being interrupted by Dan every 5 seconds and Dan being able to waffle as he pleases, even with all the annoying premium questions, shout outs to top fans, etc.

[rizzo]

Agreeing with @chatterbox as well! Though, I'll say that I only felt that I got the sort of "shoot the shit" mentality mostly from Dan. I've never been the biggest fan of solo Phil liveshows, because his felt more fake to me. Sure he was peppy and generally left me feeling in a better mood, but I never felt like he was honest or really letting me in on anything new (give or take the occasional anecdote about anxiety or what have you). So, what I value specifically, was Dan liveshows where - yeah, sometimes he was shitty and in a shit mood - but at least he was real? In some capacity?And not just reviewing the past week the whole time.

And as I type that I realize that Phil has genuinely changed a lot since we've last seen him do a LS alone, so I'd be interested to see what he's like alone in this, the Year of Our Phan Blessings, 2018. I feel like it could be really, really good. Imagine a quiffed-up Phil, telling us his thoughts what he's seen or done without Dan interrupting every .35 seconds??? Fuck, I think I'm salivating.

Anyway, all of this is to say:

Out of interest, I made a survey: https://www.strawpoll.me/16410235
"Would you rather have 2 solo liveshows per week or 1 joint one?"

I need an option for both. I like to watch them bounce off of each other about generic topics and not just games, but also.... I need solo Dan back pls.

Maybe they could have a nice middle ground. Where they switch off each week. One week they do joint, the next they go solo. BRB, emailing Carl~

I bolded part of you comment because of just how damn much I agree. When you collect the stories Dan and Phil tell about 'awkward' things Dan did in public, so many of them sound like an introvert with their switch stuck in the on position. They're often stories about how Dan tried to make some joke or do some entertaining thing that confused or put-off the other person because they weren't having the kind of interaction where Dan going into entertainer mode was appropriate. Like, 'get 'muffin'side me' and 'backing it up for Bilbo' are absolutely jokes Dan would make in gaming videos. They end up being awkward moments because they're inappropriate for the context, which is just like, ordering coffee or taking a photo for some strangers.

So I'd hesitate to call a Dan who is "on" (and damn I wish I could think of a better word for that. I keep wanting to say "turned on." pfft) a less authentic version of himself. He's like that meeting fans, he's like that in liveshows, he's like that ordering coffee and visiting tourist attractions. His dinof videos suggest he has a judgmental sort of 'observing ego' that he might perform for, either in his own mind or externally, even when he's entirely alone. imo there's a real possibility that he's like that when no one is watching--as he talks to himself--just because Dan is always watching Dan.

Adding this in as an edit and I have absolutely nothing to add here, but I just wanted to say I loved your post and this bit especially. I spent a good 2 minutes staring into the abyss and pondering the kind of person Dan is. I loooove this.

[dc34]

I hate Rize the app, soooooo I just want them to stop and go back to younow or youtube

But this discussions is interesting, and I'm glad I didn't comment sooner. I like to read everyone's responses first bc it helps me articulate my thoughts better. I agree that the Dan we see is never going to be who he is behind the camera bc once that camera is on he becomes so aware of it he gets "on". It's like that with Phil as well. Its still him, but just one layer of his personality that he saves for the people he's closest to. Which imo is good, you never want to show your whole self to a very, at times, intrusive audience. Just watch vlogs whenever they're at conventions, and they know they are being vlogged, they get so tense and self conscious. It goes back to them liking being in control of what we as an audience see. In a live show, its live theirs no editting bits out, so if they mess up we will see.

I have always preferred Dan's live shows over Phil's tbh. Phil's aren't bad, they're lovely to watch once, but I never find myself wanting to re-watch which I don't feel with Dan's whose I re-watch whenever I'm bored. But I will take duo live shows over solo ones any day of the week bc I feel like the things I don't enjoy about their individual live shows go away when they're together.

I am curious to see a solo Phil live show with this new found confidence. I wonder if he would be open to give more opinions.

[bluntedclaws]

I do miss their individual content a bit and I'm really not a fan of the Rize app but aside from that, I think one of the things that I found intriguing when they first started doing the Rize shows is that they seemed to struggle a bit with it being officially a joint channel. Before Rize when they did combined live shows one of them would be officially the "host" and the other would be the "guest". The guest was always quite aware that he was on the host's channel and would let the host be in charge.
It seemed to me in the first few shows that they weren't quite sure how to handle both being equal hosts. It looks like that dynamic has gotten easier as they've got used to the format. I was worried at first that Phil would just let Dan completely take over but I'm really pleased to see that he hasn't let that happen!

eta: @watsonian As always, an insightful post. The bit about Dan watching Dan is probably spot on.

[sweetlyphan]

Then we have the whole passive aggressive reactions and mocking of the audience that can happen that just makes me feel bad, and I just.. Even with beautiful calm liveshow, because those exist in Dan's ecosystem, I find myself always on edge that negativity is coming.

This would be the exact reason I don't like Dan's solo liveshows. Besides that, going off of what @chatterbox said, I enjoy his "deep" ramblings. I like learning about them as individuals and I feel we've gotten some (for lack of a better word) "iconic" moments from Dan's shows that we wouldn't have gotten from a joint liveshow.

I've never been the biggest fan of solo Phil liveshows, because his felt more fake to me. Sure he was peppy and generally left me feeling in a better mood, but I never felt like he was honest or really letting me in on anything new (give or take the occasional anecdote about anxiety or what have you).

And as I type that I realize that Phil has genuinely changed a lot since we've last seen him do a LS alone, so I'd be interested to see what he's like alone in this, the Year of Our Phan Blessings, 2018.

I'll be one to admit I don't really care for Phil's liveshows either for this reason. But now I want to see a solo Phil liveshow because he has changed tremendously since his last solo liveshow. Which was a couple days after he got the quiff. Watch all of us who say we don't like Phil's liveshsows do a complete 180. But that all being said, I still really love their joint shows. Although like @dc34 & @bluntedclaws, I hate the Rize app. I think we all can agree on that.

[alittledizzy]

Dan providing us with some cute via a new twitter like:

[ratlad]

Dan providing us with some cute via a new twitter like:

ffuuucccc.,....... yeah.....
it just sounds like they're goin
"okay.....
oooooh kay.."
back n forth,, and then they clean. :–( wow
i love cats so much i can go on and on about them. i really like how every cat has their own unique meow and voice. it's beautiful.
i wonder if phil is allergic to cat hair only, or if he has a reaction to their saliva as well?? im so glad im not allergic to animals tbh.

[sonicgreen]

When cats make their pigeon chirping noises i cry... too cute.
Also I loved catching up on all the discussions surrounding dnp's personalities, some great things to think on!

[yeetussy]

Idk abt y’all, but this live show talk makes me ache for a linguistics lecture ls from Phil. That is honestly one of my favourite ls moments bc he was showing genuine passion and interest. I’m not a huge fan of any liveshows in general as of late (even for other people. Dunno what it is) but PLEASE can I get my two-hour chat abt the “d” and “p” sounds

[Phantasy]

No...no no no...STOP...DANNY!!!

[itasca00]

Excuse me, Daniel. I was NOT prepared for that Instagram story. Damn.

[dc34]

No...no no no...STOP...DANNY!!!

I'm dead, i'm alive but dead