Dan & Phil Part 76: i can't i don't have legs

[Phantasy]

My post-tour imagination is whirling... I’m guessing total hibernation mode will active the second they are back and they will be off grid for a while, hopefully after a long rest Dan will feel ready to reboot his channel with Living My Truth 2.0: Sexuality Edition (the Phandom collectivly reacts “we been knew”), they drop the II Tour Film, then SPOOKY WEEK, followed by more hibernation or maybe a quick getaway to IoM or Brighton (or a couples weekend to the Mediterranean with Bryony and Wirrow... are they back together?), and bam, before you know it it’s time for PINOF 10: Giving People What They Want Editon, where it’s just a series of private outtakes from the last 10 years revealing they are a couple, after the tidle wave of Phandom reaction subsides, the hunt for the forever home begins, and for Christmas and a house warming present they each suprise each other with a dog (a Corgi for Phil, a Shibe for Dan). And thus concludes 20GayTeen, the year of Phan.

[Ablissa]

My post-tour imagination is whirling... I’m guessing total hibernation mode will active the second they are back and they will be off grid for a while, hopefully after a long rest Dan will feel ready to reboot his channel with Living My Truth 2.0: Sexuality Edition (the Phandom collectivly reacts “we been knew”), they drop the II Tour Film, then SPOOKY WEEK, followed by more hibernation or maybe a quick getaway to IoM or Brighton (or a couples weekend to the Mediterranean with Bryony and Wirrow... are they back together?), followed by PINOF 10: Giving People What They Want Editon, where it’s just a series of private outtakes from the last 10 years revealing they are a couple, after the tidle wave of Phandom reaction subsides, the hunt for the forever home begins, and for Christmas and a house warming present they each suprise each other with a dog (a Corgi for Phil, a Shibe for Dan). And thus concludes 20GayTeen, the year of Phan.

I'm sorry but my lawyer will be in touch in regards to you getting my hopes up sky-high and making me feel emotional at 2 in the morning. I accept payment in the form of sharing more of your post-tour imagination when it comes upon you again.

[missemma]

I am so late to this party but I have just watched the Anime Bucket of Doom video and wow, it was so glorious. Phil and the innuendos and Dan's face at him being so forward, this is what I signed up for. I'll admit I've watched it like three times already, I'm gonna go and watch it again. Loved it.

[ratlad]

My post-tour imagination is whirling... I’m guessing total hibernation mode will active the second they are back and they will be off grid for a while, hopefully after a long rest Dan will feel ready to reboot his channel with Living My Truth 2.0: Sexuality Edition (the Phandom collectivly reacts “we been knew”), they drop the II Tour Film, then SPOOKY WEEK, followed by more hibernation or maybe a quick getaway to IoM or Brighton (or a couples weekend to the Mediterranean with Bryony and Wirrow... are they back together?), and bam, before you know it it’s time for PINOF 10: Giving People What They Want Editon, where it’s just a series of private outtakes from the last 10 years revealing they are a couple, after the tidle wave of Phandom reaction subsides, the hunt for the forever home begins, and for Christmas and a house warming present they each suprise each other with a dog (a Corgi for Phil, a Shibe for Dan). And thus concludes 20GayTeen, the year of Phan.

i wonder what kind of outtakes they have from pinof 1&2
what happened after the tackle? what caused the pillows to move in the background with every jumpcut? what caused their sharpie noses to be so smudged?
i need answers.

[werewolfdjh]

[autumnhearth]

Thank you for that fantasy @Phantasy that’s a whirlwind of the next three months. I was just thinking earlier today that it’s almost demon phannie season and was wondering if it was too soon to listen to the October phan song on a loop.

Sweet jacket @werewolfdjh and I’m glad Dan saw and liked it.

[RiriPandaHeart2]

Aww this is lovely welcome back, hopefully you'll stick around.

I'm hoping to stick around too. Thanks for the welcome back!
And lowkey saying sorry in advance for most likely using too much emojis on my post.

I'm also really soft for the Phandom rn. Meeting people irl who also love Dan & Phil was quite the experience. Nobody around me really likes them (my sister knows them but she's not really a fan). So experiencing just saying one thing about them, and people immediately understanding what I'm talking about was a really refreshing experience.

@Phantasy, now I have my hopes up (and I'm already starting to steel myself for a disappointment), but what you wrote down would be the perfect way to celebrate the later months of the year.

[Ataraxia25]

i love that we can see phil in the background, agitated and anxious to get their luggage back hihi

[Stakhanov]

Lol they are really going to pretend like nothing happened and offer no explanation why they cancel the 12th because they want to "give the best show possible" and there are logistical problems with getting the set there and then just perform without set on the next show anyway. Their behavior is very puzzling. In poland, the set appaz didn't matter to much and they perfomed. In manilla, it's both a reason to cancel a show - or that's what they give as reason anyway but then no problem when they have to give the next show. Saying the fact they performed without set on the 13th is somehow more reason to believe the 12th was cancelled because they had no set makes little sense to me. That's like saying the reason you're late at work today is proof of how you tried being on time yesterday when you didn't show up.

I think there are many fair or reasonable explanations why they might have cancelled or played without set but I do think they or at the very least the company/people involved owe an explanation to the fans. The dry facts now are 1 cancelled show and 1 where only part of the set are present and no coherent story why.

[autumnhearth]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

Speaking of Manila, this is a really funny M&G:

Also another breakfast story. Can anyone tell us what is in each bowl? I don’t want to assume egg and coffee, but...

[Stakhanov]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

> Didn't they know they would have to perform twice on that day when they arranged the venues? Did they not have ample time to plan the travel itinerary then? If logistical/set issues were the deciding factor in cancelling the 12th and necessary 'to give the best show', why in Poland do two shows if it is impossible to organize the set to be there in time of the other show?
Was there a miscommunication between the people who arranged the venues and the people in charge of logistics?
They didn't say anything about it afaik, so 'im left to with their explanation that on the one hand the set/logistical problem was crucial for cancelling the one show because it did not meet their norms of what a proper show would be, but at the same time doesn't seem to play a role in the other shows. I sure do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is just bad communication and just saying nothing is not sufficient or fair towards the different audiences at those venues. Either what they missed on the 12th was (in their eyes) essential enough for the show experience to cancel it and then they should say something when that essential element is also lacking the show after that (and in Poland), or it's not and then the question remains why they really canceled.
I'm not implying nefarious or commercial reasons, but I've got little grounds to exclude them either if they provide so little explanation.

> How do we know it's customs? They haven't mentioned customs so far. If that's based on that one tweet of a person saying 'customs can be troublesome in the Philippines', that's not much to go by imo. Customs can be difficult anywhere. Even if customs in the Philippines is particularly troublesome, which I don't really have any evidence for, it doesn't have to mean that it's the cause of the specific logistical issues they were having. They did not bring it up as part of their explanation

I'm not somebody who grabs their pitchforks at the first mistake Dan and Phil -or more likely people who work for them make- but in this case I think the fans who got robbed of the show on the 12th deserve better than radio silence, and so do the fans who saw them without set in Manila, if they were honest when they implied that not having the set is that important that it meant they couldn't offer people the best show and therefore cancelled

In unrelated news Dan and Phil are the only instagrammers i'm not annoyed by if they share pics of their food, especially if it comes with a (sex) joke

[werewolfdjh]

@autumnhearth that jacket isn't mine haha, i found it on twitter

[LadyLackless]

Also another breakfast story. Can anyone tell us what is in each bowl? I don’t want to assume egg and coffee, but...

Egg and soy sauce?

[dancy]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

> Didn't they know they would have to perform twice on that day when they arranged the venues? Did they not have ample time to plan the travel itinerary then? If logistical/set issues were the deciding factor in cancelling the 12th and necessary 'to give the best show', why in Poland do two shows if it is impossible to organize the set to be there in time of the other show?
Was there a miscommunication between the people who arranged the venues and the people in charge of logistics?
They didn't say anything about it afaik, so 'im left to with their explanation that on the one hand the set/logistical problem was crucial for cancelling the one show because it did not meet their norms of what a proper show would be, but at the same time doesn't seem to play a role in the other shows. I sure do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is just bad communication and just saying nothing is not sufficient or fair towards the different audiences at those venues. Either what they missed on the 12th was (in their eyes) essential enough for the show experience to cancel it and then they should say something when that essential element is also lacking the show after that (and in Poland), or it's not and then the question remains why they really canceled.
I'm not implying nefarious or commercial reasons, but I've got little grounds to exclude them either if they provide so little explanation.

> How do we know it's customs? They haven't mentioned customs so far. If that's based on that one tweet of a person saying 'customs can be troublesome in the Philippines', that's not much to go by imo. Customs can be difficult anywhere. Even if customs in the Philippines is particularly troublesome, which I don't really have any evidence for, it doesn't have to mean that it's the cause of the specific logistical issues they were having. They did not bring it up as part of their explanation

I'm not somebody who grabs their pitchforks at the first mistake Dan and Phil -or more likely people who work for them make- but in this case I think the fans who got robbed of the show on the 12th deserve better than radio silence, and so do the fans who saw them without set in Manila, if they were honest when they implied that not having the set is that important that it meant they couldn't offer people the best show and therefore cancelled

They have actually mentioned customs in the FAQ on the tour website:

Why was the show moved?

We want to bring as much of the usual Interactive Introverts show to Manila as possible, however due to customs and freighting with the size of the equipment we had to make changes from when we first set our Manila dates. We couldn't logistically bring enough of our kit from Australia to Manila in time to do a great show on the 12th. So instead we decided to combine both shows to the evening of the 13th where we will be able to put on an amazing show as usual.

I find arguing about this topic a bit futile at this point to be honest. I do still think it could've been handled better initially but the show has already happened and while there have unfortunately been some issues, from what I've seen a lot of people enjoyed it regardless and I feel like D&P have already said all they could. Not to mention, there's probably a lot more going into tour planning and organising that we just don't know about and therefore we can't really judge the situation properly.

[hihello]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

> Didn't they know they would have to perform twice on that day when they arranged the venues? Did they not have ample time to plan the travel itinerary then? If logistical/set issues were the deciding factor in cancelling the 12th and necessary 'to give the best show', why in Poland do two shows if it is impossible to organize the set to be there in time of the other show?
Was there a miscommunication between the people who arranged the venues and the people in charge of logistics?
They didn't say anything about it afaik, so 'im left to with their explanation that on the one hand the set/logistical problem was crucial for cancelling the one show because it did not meet their norms of what a proper show would be, but at the same time doesn't seem to play a role in the other shows. I sure do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is just bad communication and just saying nothing is not sufficient or fair towards the different audiences at those venues. Either what they missed on the 12th was (in their eyes) essential enough for the show experience to cancel it and then they should say something when that essential element is also lacking the show after that (and in Poland), or it's not and then the question remains why they really canceled.
I'm not implying nefarious or commercial reasons, but I've got little grounds to exclude them either if they provide so little explanation.

> How do we know it's customs? They haven't mentioned customs so far. If that's based on that one tweet of a person saying 'customs can be troublesome in the Philippines', that's not much to go by imo. Customs can be difficult anywhere. Even if customs in the Philippines is particularly troublesome, which I don't really have any evidence for, it doesn't have to mean that it's the cause of the specific logistical issues they were having. They did not bring it up as part of their explanation

I'm not somebody who grabs their pitchforks at the first mistake Dan and Phil -or more likely people who work for them make- but in this case I think the fans who got robbed of the show on the 12th deserve better than radio silence, and so do the fans who saw them without set in Manila, if they were honest when they implied that not having the set is that important that it meant they couldn't offer people the best show and therefore cancelled

I am from the Philippines and I have seen the show last Thursday. To be honest, when they announced that the Day 1 show will be canceled, I am one of the people who got upset because that is my show. However, when they explained that it is because of logistical issues, some of us already assumed that it is the fault of the Customs Bureau of my country. And apparently, it was indeed our Customs, which we already accepted because all of us know how our Customs work. They were not the first one to be affected by the incompetencies of our Customs. Few years ago, the kpop group that I am a fan of was not able to sell their tour merch because our Customs held it, hence, it shows how troublesome our Customs is.

Dan and Phil's team may have thought that all of the set will go past the Customs and arrive on the 13th but unfortunately, it didn't. That happens all the time with our Customs so for us, we're used to it. We may be disappointed at first but the giant theatre screen made up for it and we felt that we already have the stage, so at the end of the day, we enjoyed the show.

It may still be unfair to us Day 1 ticket holders because we were relocated at the back of the theatre but we cannot do anything about it. now Our system in the Philippines is chaotic and we just accepted everything and just enjoyed the show and screamed all our hearts out to make it memorable to us and for dan and phil, despite the unforeseen circumstances.

I know some may want explanations on this matter, why we didn't have set or anything, but if our government is already involved in this matter, neither dan and phil nor us will get anything because that's beyond their power or our power.

[LurkingTrash]

I watched Dan's airport ig story when I had barely woken up (yes I had only one eye open too) and thought he zoomed in a 'we come ....' sign, and I didn't even blink, I just accepted it.
Only after like 30 minutes that I went to look back because I was wondering what was the whole phrase bc the start didn't really make sense that I noticed it was a 'welcome' sign...
2018

[autumnhearth]

There’s also a huge difference between consolidating two shows at the same venue that is already booked and shifting it to one day than having to find another day that the theater is available, that they would have had to with Poland, it wasn’t an option unless you expect them to double book for all their locations in case something happens and even then they wouldn’t know how long it would take...

Thank you for weighing in on this @hihello

Stage from today

This is cute

[kavat]

This is cute

Good thing they put the explanation there or I would have thought it was a weird version of the shocker...

[liola]

A wholesome like from Dan

[Ataraxia25]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

> Didn't they know they would have to perform twice on that day when they arranged the venues? Did they not have ample time to plan the travel itinerary then? If logistical/set issues were the deciding factor in cancelling the 12th and necessary 'to give the best show', why in Poland do two shows if it is impossible to organize the set to be there in time of the other show?
Was there a miscommunication between the people who arranged the venues and the people in charge of logistics?
They didn't say anything about it afaik, so 'im left to with their explanation that on the one hand the set/logistical problem was crucial for cancelling the one show because it did not meet their norms of what a proper show would be, but at the same time doesn't seem to play a role in the other shows. I sure do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is just bad communication and just saying nothing is not sufficient or fair towards the different audiences at those venues. Either what they missed on the 12th was (in their eyes) essential enough for the show experience to cancel it and then they should say something when that essential element is also lacking the show after that (and in Poland), or it's not and then the question remains why they really canceled.
I'm not implying nefarious or commercial reasons, but I've got little grounds to exclude them either if they provide so little explanation.

> How do we know it's customs? They haven't mentioned customs so far. If that's based on that one tweet of a person saying 'customs can be troublesome in the Philippines', that's not much to go by imo. Customs can be difficult anywhere. Even if customs in the Philippines is particularly troublesome, which I don't really have any evidence for, it doesn't have to mean that it's the cause of the specific logistical issues they were having. They did not bring it up as part of their explanation

I'm not somebody who grabs their pitchforks at the first mistake Dan and Phil -or more likely people who work for them make- but in this case I think the fans who got robbed of the show on the 12th deserve better than radio silence, and so do the fans who saw them without set in Manila, if they were honest when they implied that not having the set is that important that it meant they couldn't offer people the best show and therefore cancelled

In unrelated news Dan and Phil are the only instagrammers i'm not annoyed by if they share pics of their food, especially if it comes with a (sex) joke

reading this made me think of something : i may be wrong but the difference between the shows in poland and the shows in manila is that the set was actually there in Poland, but it couldn't fit the door, right? am i imagining things?

so if im right, i understand why they did the shows in poland anyway, everything was ready apart from the set not fitting through the door, you cant possibly cancel a show *for that*, especially because they must have realised one or two days before the day of the shows

[Ablissa]

People keep siting Poland as an example, but I think they had way less notice on that one and it was two shows in one day (on Dan’s birthday) with a tight travel itinerary on either side, they couldn’t just cancel the whole thing. Whereas with Manila they had a heads up the set wasn’t going to clear customs by the 12th, it seems they hoped it would by the 13th, who knows when they found out it wouldn’t. Do I wish they could have performed both shows so that nobody had to miss it? Of course. But hindsight is 20/20 and the damage is done. I don’t think they owe us an explaination and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt that it was out of their control.

> Didn't they know they would have to perform twice on that day when they arranged the venues? Did they not have ample time to plan the travel itinerary then? If logistical/set issues were the deciding factor in cancelling the 12th and necessary 'to give the best show', why in Poland do two shows if it is impossible to organize the set to be there in time of the other show?
Was there a miscommunication between the people who arranged the venues and the people in charge of logistics?
They didn't say anything about it afaik, so 'im left to with their explanation that on the one hand the set/logistical problem was crucial for cancelling the one show because it did not meet their norms of what a proper show would be, but at the same time doesn't seem to play a role in the other shows. I sure do want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is just bad communication and just saying nothing is not sufficient or fair towards the different audiences at those venues. Either what they missed on the 12th was (in their eyes) essential enough for the show experience to cancel it and then they should say something when that essential element is also lacking the show after that (and in Poland), or it's not and then the question remains why they really canceled.
I'm not implying nefarious or commercial reasons, but I've got little grounds to exclude them either if they provide so little explanation.

> How do we know it's customs? They haven't mentioned customs so far. If that's based on that one tweet of a person saying 'customs can be troublesome in the Philippines', that's not much to go by imo. Customs can be difficult anywhere. Even if customs in the Philippines is particularly troublesome, which I don't really have any evidence for, it doesn't have to mean that it's the cause of the specific logistical issues they were having. They did not bring it up as part of their explanation

I'm not somebody who grabs their pitchforks at the first mistake Dan and Phil -or more likely people who work for them make- but in this case I think the fans who got robbed of the show on the 12th deserve better than radio silence, and so do the fans who saw them without set in Manila, if they were honest when they implied that not having the set is that important that it meant they couldn't offer people the best show and therefore cancelled

In unrelated news Dan and Phil are the only instagrammers i'm not annoyed by if they share pics of their food, especially if it comes with a (sex) joke

reading this made me think of something : i may be wrong but the difference between the shows in poland and the shows in manila is that the set was actually there in Poland, but it couldn't fit the door, right? am i imagining things?

so if im right, i understand why they did the shows in poland anyway, everything was ready apart from the set not fitting through the door, you cant possibly cancel a show *for that*, especially because they must have realised one or two days before the day of the shows

I was at both the shows in Poland and that is what they told us, that their set wouldn't fit through the door. Honestly, no one was surprised, because the venue was pretty damn bad and small. I haven't seen anyone blame them for it.
I can't pretend to know what happened in Manila, but I do believe that they chose the lesser evil and if they could have performed on the 12th, they would have.

Edit: new video yayyy! PHIL IS WEARING BLACK

[LtrllySusan]

Ok I watched about 20 seconds and EXCUSE ME, they got a free gaming laptop (those are expensive af) and they've been playing Dumb Ways To Die?! Excuse me.

[knq]

I was literally thinking 'I wonder if we'll really get a new gaming video so soon?' as the YouTube notification came up on my phone!

Only 4 minutes in but I have the least spoilery of comments to make: I love how annoyed Dan is/they both are that the weather expansion to the Sims cost $40. That shit is ridiculous.

[Stakhanov]

@dancy @hihello @autumnhearth @Ataraxia25

Thanks, that's a wealth of information. Now I see how their story makes sense. I read the faq the moment it went up and thought I remembered it but was wrong, I'd totally forgotten them mentioning customs. That makes most of my questions moot and with hihello's (welcome btw post about customs and now knowing the rebooked venue in Poland was so small there was a good reason they didn't have a set, I belief their official reasoning.
I personally think they did what they could and handled an unfortunate situation pretty ok. I still think that their initial communications was a bit poor (Phil's tweet didn't cut it). I'm guessing who does communications either isn't really defined or Dan and Phil themselves kind of take general responsibility of communicating stuff like changes in the show, venues, tbc deates etc. Honestly I think it would be a good idea to invest in a more dedicated tour 'spoc' because you sometimes see questions/concern raised about a bunch of (little) issues and a person who proactively keeps us updated in detail would easy a lot of minds. But I also understand unexpected issues can rise up.

Actual. content. Unfortunately i can't watch it now but man, it's been a while since i could wake up on a sunday with a D&P video still to watch :mrgreen:

[Ataraxia25]

i haven't finished the video, i just need to say that phil is so so so so so beautiful.