Dan & Phil Part 77: getting that d........vitamin

[ratlad]

my eyes are going to develop a cavity if they continue being cute as fuck? they look so happy..... curse them for posting cute shit while i'm cleaning my room. illegal and unfair. also the crush song dan filming for phils story them just having an ice cream date and being outside together

[LtrllySusan]

They're both in need of a haircut (and Phil is really rocking those ginger roots), but I can't deny that they both look very cute in that IG story. Seems like they are really trying to keep the stories going.

[wiccamoody]

Lol what a great update on that story

[LurkingTrash]

Great, as if I'm not already paranoid about my smile lines they post this and make me smile for hours just so the lines are sure they can stay

No, but seriously, cute boys are cute, I'm glad they are having a breather from editing

[Ablissa]

They're both in need of a haircut (and Phil is really rocking those ginger roots), but I can't deny that they both look very cute in that IG story. Seems like they are really trying to keep the stories going.

They probably do need a haircut, but I can't deny that I love the floof. I'd be happy if they both kept their hair longer at the top of the head and maybe trimmed the sides a bit. But well, as long as they keep the curls/the quiff, they'll always look fantastic.

(this post is so superficial and useless I am sorry but I'm still melting over their ice cream date)

[Catallena]

Ugh cuties

I really should not have feared that they'd stop Instastories as soon as they got back. A whole four posts from their little ice cream date? They're still giving the people what they want. Thanks boys!

[rizzo]

I'm DISGUSTED. How DARE they be so cute?!

[sonicgreen]

whAt was tHat, dan with a cute lil smile while eating his ice cream bite, these dorks listening to crush, and an ice cream date???? unfair

[flarequake]

The toasted marshmallows on top look amazing. Good to see in one caption that the word that so amused Dan is actually artisanal. Silly boy

[citizen_erased]

it makes so happy to see them so happy and healthy and being ridiculously cute

[lesterchuu]

wow i love being a thirdwheel

[daisyholland]

Re: the family videos, I checked with oqua and they were apparently removed July 1 and July 4, so not a recent thing at all. Did those dates coincide with anything?

adrian posted his second youtube video on the 4th (his first was like a month before that). does anyone know how long it takes for a video to be taken down after you claim copyright? imo it's likely that dan requested them to be taken down a week or so before and it took a couple weeks to be taken down

[sugar]

I'm still really curious to see whether Dan will respond in any way to Adrian's yt channel. idk whether he knew about it before but being home, he'll be online more and probably see the videos or instagram or something. I don't expect him to directly address it or anything but maybe he'd like a photo on insta? idk why i care so much abt this but it's interesting

i'm really interested to see what happens along these lines as well. dan's so far radio silence on the topic has intrigued me. i definitely understand why dan wouldn't have wanted to talk about adrian at all before, pretty much never even mentioning he had a brother, but now that adrian's a creator in the same space i think it would actually be a bit odd for dan to never mention it or even interact with his content.

it's also interesting from the standpoint that like...if dan was not talking about it because he doesn't want adrian to go down the same road as before with all the overzealous phannies stalking him and bombarding him with stuff about dan...those people already know about adrian's content. i'm pretty sure all of the hardcore, active dnp fans know about it. so if he were to mention adrian or his channel at some point, i don't think the unwanted attention would increase to a level any higher than it already is. it would only really be news to casual fans who are a lot less likely to bring unwanted attention. this doesn't have much of a point, just a stream of consciousness

If Dan does open up about his family, I think it will be about his mother. I don’t foresee him talking about his brother, even when he does have an online presence. There’s the question of whether Dan’s even close with Adrian, first, and second even if the more intense fans have already found Adrian’s photography content, Dan mentioning him to his followers would still result in substantially more people following Adrian and therefore criticizing his behavior on occasion.

Dan and Phil are also quite cautious with who they publically align themselves with (with that one notable exception I try not to think about). At the moment it’s unclear how Adrian will treat queer fans or how he’ll react to the sudden influx of income and attention. He doesn’t have the years of experience dnp do. When some drama pops up, because it always does, you know Dan doesn’t want people looking to him for explanation.

Besides that, Dan and Phil don’t like people who know them having a substantial and uncontrolled place in the fandom. The focus on Dan ‘breaking up’ with CharlieSkies is rightfully placed on Charlie threatening to out him, but that argument started because Charlie implied he knew the phandom better and was better to them than Dan was. Another instance that comes to mind is Onison, and Dan saying he didn’t want Onison to take advantage of the phandom. Obviously Dan had plenty of other reasons to want to break ties with both those people, but I guess I have a pet theory that it’s more about controlling influencers in their fan base than we give it credit for.

... the shit was I talking about? Family. Right. I’m not anticipating Dan to start talking about Adrian by name, but maybe his mum more often or even /gasp/ his dad.

His mum is someone with little online presence and the fully developed social filter of an adult. She’s not going to influence the phandom or create drama Dan then has to deal with. She and his grandmother are also the people he’s mentioned most from his family in the past. If he does want to open up, I think that’s where he’ll do it, or at least start.

But I’m also kind of stuck on whether his family is something he wants to open up about at all, despite the few indications lately that it might be.

In a recent Sims video, Phil asked if Dan reverted to his childhood mindset when he visited home, and Dan’s response was something along the lines ‘I have my own place, I’ve made my own life, don’t send me back.’ Both of those (reverting and distancing) are common reactions, IMO, but Dan’s reaction seemed like a very genuine desire to move on from, rather than explore and open up about, his family experiences. Perhaps he doesn’t want to reminisce or open up much, but just wants to be able to say their names.
tl;dr soz

great post and great points. i definitely agree with all of it.

but there's also that part of me that still just finds it...odd that he'd absolutely never mention it that his only sibling is also a youtuber now. that being said, his channel is still very new. if he starts to get more and more subs and he really builds a name for himself on yt maybe that would be what changes dan's mind about talking about it.

[autumnhearth]

Don’t mind me, just having a meltdown over the cuteness of that clip

Also, is that a new hoodie on Phil? I already love it, but honestly I’m just a sucker for him in any hoodie.

I’m pretty sure I found it!



https://www.insertcoinclothing.com/hood ... amacy.html

[lesterchuu]

Don’t mind me, just having a meltdown over the cuteness of that clip

Also, is that a new hoodie on Phil? I already love it, but honestly I’m just a sucker for him in any hoodie.

I’m pretty sure I found it!



https://www.insertcoinclothing.com/hood ... amacy.html

quietly....um...tucks this into my clothing reference.......cough thank you

[wiccamoody]

There's been some speculation on twitter and tumblr about where Phil will film his next video since a lot of people, myself included, think that the AmazingPhil room doesn't "suit" the changes he's made since the last video he filmed in it (the instagram explore vid with Dan). I definitely think it would feel like a step back if he were to film something that isn't pinof in it (just because of nostalgic consistency). Phil's all about subtle changes, and I feel like he's been taking some steps in the same direction ever since he changed his hair. I also don't ever recall a time where Phil's gone more than 2 weeks without uploading a video, and I guess you could blame tour being taxing for that (having gone to the last American stop I saw how spent Phil actually was irl), but I think there were points after that where he could have made an ap video, but he didn't and hasn't. You could probably also say that he just wanted to enjoy the last bit of tour and travelling without thinking about anything besides dapg, merch, rize etc., but idk. I could just be dramatic and very much indulging myself in my Phil-related conspiracies, but anyone have thoughts on the matter?

[idk]

There's been some speculation on twitter and tumblr about where Phil will film his next video since a lot of people, myself included, think that the AmazingPhil room doesn't "suit" the changes he's made since the last video he filmed in it (the instagram explore vid with Dan). I definitely think it would feel like a step back if he were to film something that isn't pinof in it (just because of nostalgic consistency). Phil's all about subtle changes, and I feel like he's been taking some steps in the same direction ever since he changed his hair. I also don't ever recall a time where Phil's gone more than 2 weeks without uploading a video, and I guess you could blame tour being taxing for that (having gone to the last American stop I saw how spent Phil actually was irl), but I think there were points after that where he could have made an ap video, but he didn't and hasn't. You could probably also say that he just wanted to enjoy the last bit of tour and travelling without thinking about anything besides dapg, merch, rize etc., but idk. I could just be dramatic and very much indulging myself in my Phil-related conspiracies, but anyone have thoughts on the matter?

I agree with all of the above. I definitely think it would feel odd if he were to return to filming in the AmazingPhil room and I hope, and potentially think, he feels that too.

I’ve said it before but I do think that Phil not uploading to his main channel was a deliberate choice on his behalf. I do think there’s potentially a relationship between the seeming/apparent(?) lack of direction(?) in the AmazingPhil channel and Phil's decision not to upload/leaving AmazingPhil alone rn. He seems, to me at least, to be at a crossroads of sorts regarding his channel content. Is he sticking with the challenges/tags kinda stuff? Is he moving forward with content along the lines of the why I changed my emo hair video? A mixture of both?

I also think there’s a relationship between his decision not to upload and the subtle but quite big changes in the way he presents himself to the internet this year. I think the fact that Phil has matured/grown and changed the way he presents himself to the internet this year is undeniable. It was quiet but quietly dramatic. It definitely hasn’t come into full effect on AmazingPhil but I feel like videos like ‘why I changed my emo hair’ was a start.

Phil is enigmatic to me because I genuinely cannot tell what he’ll do next. Even if he Does feel the disconnect between AmazingPhil/his main channel and the Phil Lester of now I’m not sure whether he’d actually attempt reconcile the two. I often wonder how he feels about Dan making quite fundamental changes in his relationship with his audience in terms of opening up and being more transparent. Is that something he wants too? IMO he has always drawn the line between himself and the internet/his audience far more distinctly than Dan ever did/does. Dan’s blurred the demarcation between him and his audience a lot more whereas Phil has always seemed more private/kept more to himself/kept firmly behind the dividing line. AmazingPhil and Phil Lester were two separate entities. I feel like Phil cares, or definitely used to care, a lot less about transparency with his audience than Dan did/does but it feels like he may have changed in that respect too?

I do feel like Phil’s definitely doing some behind the scenes thinking and decision making. Whether this results in actual change is unclear to me. It did take him over 6 months between initially deciding he wanted to change his hair and actually doing it. I’m so interested in seeing where he goes and what he does next. If he does change his video location, which I do hope he does, it would certainly be symbolic of that larger change he’s made this year and imo would fit well with 2018’s Phil Lester.

[liola]

I also think not uploading on his channel has been a conscious choice and not just something he's let happened. They managed to squeeze videos during their busiest time on tour so there's no way he didn't have time. I think a change will happen, probably continuing the subtlety that has been part of his journey in 2018. I don't think he would announce "so, I won't film in this room anymore" because that just isn't who he is. It reminds me of the first liveshow he did after he changed his hair, how he started out doubtful and would say "oh, who knows, the fringe isn't gone forever" and then switched to "quiff is here to stay"

He doesn't like to make big announcements until he's sure of the reaction. He's filmed things outside his bedroom before, so he probably will do that without acknowledging much if he wants to indeed change it. I'd be very surprised if he ended up making a big thing out of it.

Content wise, I do hope he's gonna change something. I think he feels constricted by the amazinphil branding now more than ever, and there's a big difference even with the Phil that we see in the gaming video - that Phil hadn't been the amazingphil in so long that sometimes it's hard to watch his main channel videos and see the same person. It's obvious he feels pulled back by his channel so I hope he pushes his growth to his main content as well

[glitterintheair]

I've been wondering about Phil's channel as well, so this conversation is extremely interesting to me. Like all of you said, I also think that Phil not uploading for so long is a conscious choice. I hope for a liveshow soon to see if Phil will mention his main channel plans - even though I'm aware they're busy with the movie so he probably won't - but I find interesting that he didn't mention filming an AP video in any of their past liveshows or acknowledged the fact that he hasn't upload in a long while.
I think that coming back to the AmazingPhil brand after all the changes that he made on tour would be kind of a step back on the way he now presents himself on the internet. Unless it's for Pinof, it's difficult to imagine Phil still in that frankly childish bedroom, with the green and blue duvet and the Tatinof props all over the place. However, I can see him struggle with the choice of stopping filming there just like he struggled with his hair; that bedroom is the last thing that really links him to his branding, and getting rid of it would be a big deal. I really hope he does it, although there's a voice in my head that keeps telling me he's not gonna change his filming space until they move into their forever home next year.

[ratlad]

interesting discussion !!! i pretty much agree with what's been said, the AmazingPhil bedroom does not reflect where phil is at now professionally. if he were to film somewhere else, i feel like he would still address it in a light-hearted way like: "i needed a different backdrop after tour to match the change i made with my quiff" or something to make (mostly casual) viewers not worry so much if they are still stuck on the old emo fringe amazingphil.
maybe he will film in the slounge but put some pop of colour with decorative pillows to make it less grey. also lion might be in the background as a smooth way to transition into a merch spon, of course.
i also think it'd be weird to see the old tatinof props in his filming bedroom since it's what we saw in GTPWTW pinof reaction... that's a dead giveaway that he doesn't use that room outside of videos, but i don't expect him to tell us that. (i still wonder why they were even there in the first place?? cough moving perhaps cough)

[autumnhearth]

Great discussion! And I agree, but I have a hard time picturing him addressing things. However there are some videos he could do that would need to take place outside the AP room, like Viewers Choose My Outfits 2.0.
It’s almost been a year

[phantastically-avg]

Regarding the topic of Phil’s filming location, I’m going to stay away from the reasoning Phil may have for changing it, because frankly everyone else can and is putting into words my thoughts better than I can and instead focus on the more practical, logistical side of it. Where would he film instead?

I agree that if Phil rebrands, and moves towards more ‘adult’ content, that the AP room and it’s bright, more childish look doesn’t fit as well anymore. But then what choices does that leave him?

He could redo the AP room, but as they rent they’d have to find a place for the furniture, and when PINOF comes around you’d want that setting back anyway – both for nostalgia, and because a bed gives a lot more sitting/movement options than two guys on a sofa. Plus how would he change it up? Would it just change it to a more mature looking bedroom, or change it to be something else entirely?

The other option is the slounge, which I don’t think would work as a full time location. The room is very dark, in look both due to the grey walls and furniture, but also because it gets almost no natural light, given that the glass door room is at one end, and the kitchen is at the other, and the ceiling lighting isn’t super bright. Whenever they film in there, it seems no matter how many extra lights they set up that it always looks a little gloomy. Not a setting I’d imagine Phil would want for his videos full time, rebranded or not.

One option could be to film upstairs, where it’s much lighter and airier, but they seem to want to avoid filming videos there generally (though obviously there have been some exceptions) - partly I’d imagine for privacy, and also the fact that all their camera equipment is in the filming flat and moving it about would be a pain for regular content.

Filming upstairs would also bring financial issues in to it – the flat they rent for filming would hardly be used any more. The kitchen twice a year for baking videos, the glass door room almost never, no AP room if he moved upstairs, and the slounge is only used when they need some extra space. Basically they’d be renting a flat just for the gaming channel room. Now while I’m sure they can afford that, it doesn’t seem like a smart move.

The tl;dr of this is that my bet is Phil staying in the AP room, but maybe changing the look of it slightly. Given how Phil likes to ease into things, I think that’d be something he views as a safe move. He could remove a few of the more childish items, maybe replace them with more mature things, and even new bedding that better reflects who he is now would make a huge difference to the look of the place.

[hello9217]

This is something I've been thinking about for awhile, and tried to voice on this forum but was never able to find the right words. The last video we have seen in that room was in March when Phil still had the fringe, it wasn't even in the witl video, and since then Phil has changed so much. The amazingphil room doesn't fit the phil that I think we have all seen over these past 5 months. I also think that not filming was a conscious decision mainly because I feel like there have been many opportunities past when American tour ended that Phil could have filmed something.

I feel like there are many places he could film, like where dan filmed his top dan memes video this year. They have a really nice apartment, which makes Phil's room feel even more disconnected from everything. It seem like the majority of the apartment is different grey hues and warm colors and then the amazingphil room is stark white and blue and green. It has just become too different from everything and even from Phil himself. Like others have said it did take him 6 months to figure out that he needed to change his chair but Phil has said constituently that he regretted ever waiting that long so maybe that taught him that if he wants change he should just do it.

[LadyLackless]

I have nothing to add to the discussion, I just love that #twoflats is the accepted truth around here now

I always imagined that the glass wall room at the end of the slounge is the AP set - could be wrong! there was one AP video where he grabs some blinds (was it the Instagram exposed one?) that looked similar to those on the glass wall. And until the “week in the life” video I didn’t realise that the baking kitchen was open plan with the slounge, which begs the question: why did they pick such a dark flat as the filming flat???

[alittledizzy]

I'm gonna throw my two cents in here with the opinion sharing, even though nothing I'm saying is really an original thought: I agree with what everyone has said about the break between videos being on purpose. I do think it's hard for me to imagine him coming to the decision to change filming location while they live in the same place, though. I think when they move (to a forever home or whatever the next in-between stage is) will be a more natural break and that'll be when he'll take the plunge. How he interact with the audience in videos might still get the shift, but setting won't - in terms of sit down and talk to the camera videos. He could definitely change it up with video formats that don't require as much sit-and-talk though, like the viewers pick my clothes one, and I'd be a totally happy camper.

I also think wherever he ends up filming next will still retain the brightness and happiness that reads as childish to a lot of people. I actually do think that's a genuine reflection of Phil's personality, I don't think he views it as childish. I think there's room for him to incorporate more of who he is or recent reference items into the same general color scheme and aesthetic, though, and I think that's what we'll see happen eventually. (I'm also okay if he wants to lay the duvet cover to rest.)