Dan & Phil Part 77: getting that d........vitamin

[Phantasy]

Hmmm... there’s a rather careless amount of location based data in Dan’s pizza insta (for those inclined to look hard)... makes me wonder if we’re not too far off from forever home after all.

[lesterchuu]

@Catallena i mean, realistically, thats not going to happen. sure, it would be nice for dan and phils wallet but people tend to do what they want in fandoms anyway (both a good thing and a bad thing) and if its well received, then people will keep doing it. there is a reason why crack or compilation videos are widely normalized: its just another way for the fans to interact with each other. i mean, i personally enjoy seeing the uploaders funny captions and weird ass editing because sometimes the feeling of "ohmygod same" delivers a lot better in a different media.

BUT

maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves here...i have a theory. in the first place, people started video compilations because they wanted to have good bite-sized versions of all the cute (and sometimes eyebrow-raise worthy) ~phan~ moments. also, dnp have really stuck w the "giving the people what they want" as the theme for this year...and what does this tell us? notice how each recent upload had more innuendoes....more touching...more.......dare i say.....domestic flirting banters? with each upload, i catch myself thinking, "am i watching a dnp video that dan and phil filmed, edited and uploaded on youtube THEMSELVES? or a dnp fanmade CRACK video?" what if they are just slowly turning their uploads into crack videos themselves to eliminate any need for fans to make one in the first place? i rest my case

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lol, all shit posting aside, you guys make good points but also im interested to know what you mean by an "organized fandom". ive already expressed before how i find dnp have been gradually shaping us into the fandom that suits their needs - for the most part, we do do the job well. were known for being one of the most dedicated fanbase (in the youtube world). weve also improved quite a lot over the years - much of it is attributed to dnp being more open w us - where we dont freak out over their elbows touching anymore. weve been supportive of their success and relevance so much so that dnp themselves have told us to tone it down a little. we have our own charms, were just slowly maturing.

fandoms in general ARE chaotic no matter what; the only difference is in the intensity. coming from my childcare background, putting too much organization and rules to people will just put pressure and stress. ample structure with enough wiggle room for flexibility is enough. ive been in a couple huge "organized" fandoms in my lifetime and people will still make their own groups and have some sort of disconnect, though not as noticeable from the outside since people will just lump everyone in the same box. there were still in-fighting and drama regardless. and anytime those dramas grow big enough, it will start affecting the reputation of the fandom and hurt the people who make the show/thing themselves - in this case, dan and phil.

in a sense, the fandom reflects their philosophy - dnp's laissez-faire approach is mirrored within the community and thats what you see. theres less "organization" because theres not really an expectation from them for us to be. i mean, we could when the occasion arises (phandom gives doing phil and dans birthday thing, special organized signs during some of the tour shows, those phandom collab things that artists and writers do errr i forgot the term, etc.) and we make it count.

personally, id rather have a disorganized fandom where everyone is happy. me write too much words. me cant english now.

[fieldoflovers]

I'm curious as to what an "organized" phandom would exist of and whether that'd be something that dnp would want. In the fandoms I've been in where we've done watch parties and trend certain topics on twitter the goal ultimately is to show everyone else that this thing is big, that we have power, that we can win people streamy's and new people should maybe join us.

With dnp, I think they like their small community and when it gets away from them, or their space they're uncomfortable by it. Something like the "PROTIP" or "soft and neat" comments all over youtube are can example of that because on the one hand that is fandom cohesion because the fans are working together to expose more people to dnp and increase their presence/ audience but ofc it fails because its both annoying and dnp themselves don't like it.

I actually really appreciate dnp's lack of want in recent years to "break the internet" or to make fans do promotion for them and to treat us like a collective that works. With things like "Drawing my Viewers" video and the rize livestreams,I think they want to step away from the idea of treating the phandom as a group but rather a separate singular people. Idk if that's on purpose but I get the impression that they want to fight against the perception that their fans are one kind of person (teen, emo, internet child with a flower crown.
Idk i'm really enjoying being in this chill version of the phandom, and if they aren't bothered by views i'm not going to be either, they're getting that merch money and i'm happy for them.

Also, if someone wants to do a watch party of deleted/unlisted videos I'd be so down for that!

if this were to include that videothen that'd also be fun

[flarequake]

@Ablissa I can help a bit with the accounts. Debtors are people who owe them money, so spon companies, I guess YouTube Adsense falls into that. Creditors are people they owe, so rent, etc.

I had to look up intangible and tangible fixed assets - they're anything someone owns that can be exchanged for cash, intangible includes copyrights and tangible is maybe camera and computer equipment etc. Net current assets is everything left once they’ve been paid and paid what they owe. Capital amuses me, just one share of £1. I guess you just need at least one. I think it’s just how much of the company they personally own as a shareholder. Then the rest is in reserve for future needs, I guess that includes paying themselves. Provisions for liabilities sounds like money put aside in case something comes up, particularly legal debts, but the internet is telling me different things.

[kavat]

Thank you @flarequake for the explanation! If I could rake in that kind of money in a year I wouldn't worry too much about lower views either. To me it seems like they are happy doing the kind of videos they think are fun, getting paid enough to live a comfortable life and having the assets to do bigger things that might need a bit more investment, like tours. I don't see them as greedy people, as much as we joke about Capita£ester I see that as Phil enjoying the business part of running companies, more that just loving cash and wanting as much of it as possible. When you look at other creators that just want to be as famous and make as much money as possible, deppys little merch spons are just... Cute. And Dan is always a little reluctant to even mention that they have merch or tickets for sale.

All in all I think in the past couple of years they have been comfortable enough to make creative choices based on what they want (living their truth, if you will) rather than what will make them the most money. I think that's part of why we see them being more open with us and moving away from old personas, because they no longer care about alienating certain people or viewers. They don't need them. I've touched on this before but I do really think they have been working on shaping their core audience to one that actually care about them and their content, and they can make enough money off of that without viral videos and (too much) clickbait. And I mean, most of us are just rooting for them to get a house and a dog because that's what we think will make both them and us happy.

[QuiteFriendly]

Back to the subject on low views, while I agree that if D&P were worried they'd be doing something about it I've also seen the downwards spiral sneak up on a YouTuber often enough for me to be a bit alarmed. And I think that's mostly because of what @alittledizzy is saying about the phandom not being a cohesive unit. Aside from being disconnect between fans of various plaforms (Instagram tell me your secrets), the phandom is not really used to actually working for their faves success and relevancy other than the occasional voting on polls or whatever. Basically, Phannies are a lazy bunch. Ironically some are attracted to new shiny fandoms that are super organized. It'd be nice if we were able to organize in a more effective way. Like stop re-uploading half their new videos in bits and pieces for clout. At some point those few views that they lose from that WILL matter.

I AGREE! And I think it's difficult to predict, for them and us, at what point they won't bounce back the way they're used to. They really should make some effort with their channels. I really just wish that they have some plan on what content to put out. I don't think that quantity is more important than quality, but with a higher frequency of videos and a wider range they could appeal to more viewers (as in it's less important if you don't like a video cause there'll be a new and different one soon), especially on dapg. The way dapg is heading atm I can't see it being that appealing to casual viewers. As for their individual channels… I mean, there can't be quality if there's nothing… I think a storytime sort of video could be good comeback for both of them. “sorry for the lack of uploads… been on tour… here something funny that happen”.

I'm not surprised if people leave for “better” fandoms. I get the impression that there's quite a number of people who are into the phandom rather than dnp and their content and that's obvs okay. People want friends and a context, to been seen and heard and fandoms are a great place for that.

I understand the appeal of lots of followers/likes. But I kinda hate that people spend a lot of time using dnps original content but can't be bothered to include a link to the video. Something that might benefit deppy as well rather than just the gif maker (as an example). Sometimes parts of the phandom seem so disconnected from Dan and Phil especially when you realize that some makers of fan content don't regularly watch their videos but rather rehash things they find on tumblr

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to their next main channel videos. I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking I just want them back on YouTube.

[Ablissa]

@flarequake, you're a treasure! Thank you for the explanation, I can finally read these and make some sense of them I'm surprised at the amount under creditors, I wonder what kind of stuff that really covers.

I find it reassuring that the state of their finances seems really good, 2018 can't be worse for them with the tour and merch sales.
I don't think youtube makes a large portion of their income, but of course I'm not knowledgeable enough for it to be more than just a hunch. And yeah, losing viewers may in the long run mean losing money, but for a while now I thought they will continue to branch out into other projects, not just focus on maintaining millions of viewers. Like it has been said here - I think they're more comfortable with a smaller but dedicated fanbase, than the shitshow that we had in the past.

[Ataraxia25]

i don't have any input on the views matte roe on the money account (thanks @flarequake for your answer, and thanks @Ablissa for asking because i was to shy to do so!)
but i need to say that you're all writing amazing posts that i really really enjoy reading so keep them coming, i just cleaned my glasses, i have some coffee, go ahead

[glitterintheair]

All in all I think in the past couple of years they have been comfortable enough to make creative choices based on what they want (living their truth, if you will) rather than what will make them the most money. I think that's part of why we see them being more open with us and moving away from old personas, because they no longer care about alienating certain people or viewers. They don't need them. I've touched on this before but I do really think they have been working on shaping their core audience to one that actually care about them and their content, and they can make enough money off of that without viral videos and (too much) clickbait. And I mean, most of us are just rooting for them to get a house and a dog because that's what we think will make both them and us happy.

I wholeheartedly agree. God, the number of times i've read (and used) the sentence "i wanna give them money to finance their forever home"..

At end of the day, the majority of the core audience cares about dan and phil as people just as much - if not more - as content creators, and dnp must have caught up with it. Think about how they're using ig stories to keep us updated on their daily life. It all started as an excuse to give us updates about the tour but we're still getting snippets of their lives that have nothing to do with it because they know that's what we wanna actually see. That doesn't seem like a big deal but it actually is, since it's coming from two of the most private youtubers in the universe.

Anyway, if they want to make brand new content, I still stand by the idea of a podcast. They would be so great at it and it could replace the liveshows that, let's be real, we all know have a limited time left.

[Catallena]

@Catallena i mean, realistically, thats not going to happen. sure, it would be nice for dan and phils wallet but people tend to do what they want in fandoms anyway (both a good thing and a bad thing) and if its well received, then people will keep doing it. there is a reason why crack or compilation videos are widely normalized: its just another way for the fans to interact with each other. i mean, i personally enjoy seeing the uploaders funny captions and weird ass editing because sometimes the feeling of "ohmygod same" delivers a lot better in a different media.

BUT

maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves here...i have a theory. in the first place, people started video compilations because they wanted to have good bite-sized versions of all the cute (and sometimes eyebrow-raise worthy) ~phan~ moments. also, dnp have really stuck w the "giving the people what they want" as the theme for this year...and what does this tell us? notice how each recent upload had more innuendoes....more touching...more.......dare i say.....domestic flirting banters? with each upload, i catch myself thinking, "am i watching a dnp video that dan and phil filmed, edited and uploaded on youtube THEMSELVES? or a dnp fanmade CRACK video?" what if they are just slowly turning their uploads into crack videos themselves to eliminate any need for fans to make one in the first place? i rest my case

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It's not compilations and crack videos that bother me. There is actually some effort that goes into making them and those are usually not uploaded immediately after a new video goes up. Plus they're usually aimed at phannies who will have watched the video anyway. What bothers me is how my timeline is always full of short clips taken from the video, the point where half the video is on there. It serves no other purpose than the uploader getting more engagement on their own account.


I understand the alarm bells that ring inside people's heads when they hear 'fandom organization', but that's also not the kind of organization I'm thinking of. It's not about rules or even results beyond our own interests. Being a big organized fandom who constantly flex their power and then whine when a record isn't broken or a clickbait award isn't won isn't what we want in this neighborhood. It's just that some organization and a little more dedication to easy stuff like watching back old videos, is already the phandom being a little more organized than it is now. The goal isn't "zomg let's get this brand new video to a 100 million views within 24 hours to brag about it btw you're TRASH if you don't help us and your faves hate you" but more like "hey can we try and get this video that everyone liked and has been up for a while a million videos so that they know what kind of content we like and want more of?" instead.

This is just as much about content as it is about Deppy's bankaccounts, except I'm less worried about the latter since the rich bastards are smart with their money and we love them for it.

[kavat]

I understand the alarm bells that ring inside people's heads when they hear 'fandom organization', but that's also not the kind of organization I'm thinking of. It's not about rules or even results beyond our own interests. Being a big organized fandom who constantly flex their power and then whine when a record isn't broken or a clickbait award isn't won isn't what we want in this neighborhood. It's just that some organization and a little more dedication to easy stuff like watching back old videos, is already the phandom being a little more organized than it is now. The goal isn't "zomg let's get this brand new video to a 100 million views within 24 hours to brag about it btw you're TRASH if you don't help us and your faves hate you" but more like "hey can we try and get this video that everyone liked and has been up for a while a million videos so that they know what kind of content we like and want more of?" instead.

This is just as much about content as it is about Deppy's bankaccounts, except I'm less worried about the latter since the rich bastards are smart with their money and we love them for it.

I'm curious about exactly what an organized fandom looks like. I've never been in fandom before, nor have I ever payed any attention to them before getting into dnp. I see people mention sometimes that they think the phandom is a mess and has no dedication to fandom but what is the alternative? Exactly who organizes things like watch parties? How do you get the message out to such a big group of people across the worlds and on so many platforms? I'm genuinely curious, because that sounds like a full time job to me!

[citizen_erased]

I understand the alarm bells that ring inside people's heads when they hear 'fandom organization', but that's also not the kind of organization I'm thinking of. It's not about rules or even results beyond our own interests. Being a big organized fandom who constantly flex their power and then whine when a record isn't broken or a clickbait award isn't won isn't what we want in this neighborhood. It's just that some organization and a little more dedication to easy stuff like watching back old videos, is already the phandom being a little more organized than it is now. The goal isn't "zomg let's get this brand new video to a 100 million views within 24 hours to brag about it btw you're TRASH if you don't help us and your faves hate you" but more like "hey can we try and get this video that everyone liked and has been up for a while a million videos so that they know what kind of content we like and want more of?" instead.

This is just as much about content as it is about Deppy's bankaccounts, except I'm less worried about the latter since the rich bastards are smart with their money and we love them for it.

I'm curious about exactly what an organized fandom looks like. I've never been in fandom before, nor have I ever payed any attention to them before getting into dnp. I see people mention sometimes that they think the phandom is a mess and has no dedication to fandom but what is the alternative? Exactly who organizes things like watch parties? How do you get the message out to such a big group of people across the worlds and on so many platforms? I'm genuinely curious, because that sounds like a full time job to me!

I'm on mobile (at work) so I can't get any sources right now to back me up, but if you want an example of an organized fandom,just look at the kpop group BTS. Their fandom (Army) is massive and they constantly work to get the group in charts, on radio, etc. If there's an award that relies on fan votes, BTS will win, sometimes with over 90% of the votes. They trend all the time on twitter, which is in itself a good way of getting people to join in. Definitely one of the more organized fandoms I've seen.

[Ablissa]

I have been in many fandoms prior to this one, but never saw much organization. Guess I picked the wrong ones.
But... Reading about this makes me think. Why don't we try to start something here? IDB is read by people from all the corners of the phandom, I think it would be worth a try. I'd be totally up for watch parties and things like that just to help the boys out and have other like minded people to discuss their videos with.
If we would send out the message on tumblr and twitter, I'm sure we could get some people. I don't know how the insta phandom works but maybe someone could try there too
Of course it would be a much smaller scale than you all mentioned, but maybe it could grow into something bigger?

What do you think? Or is it really impossible here?

[kavat]

I understand the alarm bells that ring inside people's heads when they hear 'fandom organization', but that's also not the kind of organization I'm thinking of. It's not about rules or even results beyond our own interests. Being a big organized fandom who constantly flex their power and then whine when a record isn't broken or a clickbait award isn't won isn't what we want in this neighborhood. It's just that some organization and a little more dedication to easy stuff like watching back old videos, is already the phandom being a little more organized than it is now. The goal isn't "zomg let's get this brand new video to a 100 million views within 24 hours to brag about it btw you're TRASH if you don't help us and your faves hate you" but more like "hey can we try and get this video that everyone liked and has been up for a while a million videos so that they know what kind of content we like and want more of?" instead.

This is just as much about content as it is about Deppy's bankaccounts, except I'm less worried about the latter since the rich bastards are smart with their money and we love them for it.

I'm curious about exactly what an organized fandom looks like. I've never been in fandom before, nor have I ever payed any attention to them before getting into dnp. I see people mention sometimes that they think the phandom is a mess and has no dedication to fandom but what is the alternative? Exactly who organizes things like watch parties? How do you get the message out to such a big group of people across the worlds and on so many platforms? I'm genuinely curious, because that sounds like a full time job to me!

I'm on mobile (at work) so I can't get any sources right now to back me up, but if you want an example of an organized fandom,just look at the kpop group BTS. Their fandom (Army) is massive and they constantly work to get the group in charts, on radio, etc. If there's an award that relies on fan votes, BTS will win, sometimes with over 90% of the votes. They trend all the time on twitter, which is in itself a good way of getting people to join in. Definitely one of the more organized fandoms I've seen.

Yeah I've seen them around, they are unavoidable lol. But I still don't understand how. Is it just a group of friends who somehow gets the attention of thousands of people to do these things? Are there fanclubs with leaders? Are zines and newsletters still a thing? Who decides when these things happen? I feel like a grandma that don't understand the internet, even though I've been using it for the past 20 years...

I'm just trying to figure out how it works, because I would love to be more engaged in fandom but I wouldn't even know where to start or look for resources.

[Ataraxia25]

i agree with @Ablissa : idb is read by many people, even tho they are not registered or active (like me before last year). and even if it doesn't reach other people, maybe WE could at least do fun things together like the watch parties or even
more 'organised' stuff for those who are up to it (i would be!!!)

[flarequake]

Off the top of my head, just posting everywhere with the same name and avatar, using hashtags (I don't know instagram that well, but the most obvious and varied hashtags seems to be the thing), about things happening would get the word out. There's a Guild Wars 2 group called The Open Community and they post in the game chat, have a Discord and Teamspeak (an older voice chat server), they have their own site and forum and are on Twitter, spread the net, I guess. They do some LGBT related stuff, the positivity seems to have got them noticed, plus they run in-game meetups daily for game map events that need a big group, which is people's incentive to join in. When the vlogbrothers do Project for Awesome, they have branded avatars and headers people can use on Twitter etc to help spread the word.

Even if people aren't posting here, there are often dozens of guests reading so it's a good place to start. Could post about an event under the guys' latest videos too, I don't know that it would be too obnoxious if it's about a positive thing, though it would more likely get buried.

Btw, the name for fic and art fests is, well, fests

[alittledizzy]

I think it's rare that anyone in a fandom in the past at least 5-6 years would understand how a cohesive fandom works. But prior to the popularization of tumblr/twitter/instagram (that all happened within a few years of each other) fandoms operated much more centrally. I think UpdatedPhan is the closest thing to that currently existing but even so it's inherently twitter-centric.

But when I talk about organized fandoms the things I am talking about are definitely more along the lines of charity drives and group watches, though I won't deny that the same attitude is needed there that goes into stuff like getting a hashtag trending or trying to win them an award. PhandomGives raised a lot of money but in the end it was 809 people - in a fandom where a tweet gets close to 100k likes, an instagram picture gets 360k. There are people who exist on their platform, and only on their platform, and I genuinely don't know how the modern day iteration of an organized fandom touches every branch at once. I think mob mentality just plays a big part in it but it takes a loud voice to get that off the ground. Bands like BTS have a leg up in that they are the product of a company specifically marketing themselves for media consumption on an almost unending basis and catering to every platform with what appears to be an almost unending stream of content. Dan and Phil definitely do not want to have to put their lives on full blast exposure or put out daily fanservice content (at any level of effort-involving than ig stories) in exchange for continued growth, so I'm not really sure that audience experience is something they'd want anyone to emulate on their behalf. But I do think homegrown, fandom based things like video watches would be fun. I just have no idea how that'd get started.

[glitterintheair]

Video watches would be a great idea, imo, especially in the periods of time where dnp are quiet and there's no new content. I see quite a lot of people always complaing about how they're bored because nothing happens in this fandom when dnp are not active, so I think that people coming together to watch their videos would be a fun experience.

I have no idea how to do that either, though. I agree that starting here would be a good idea, but i also feel like we would need maybe some 'big blogs' (god i hate the term but i don't know how else to explain it) to spread the word on the other social networks so they could reach more people.

[autumnhearth]

Directors’ commentary?! Yes, fucking, please!!!

[opendoor]

I'd love to do watch parties- it'd be good cause it would bring us all together, also it would hoist up those video counts. I think I'd get a kick from actually seeing the figure go up.

I think twitter is the dominant platform for the phandom, but we'd need someone w/ the time/inclination to put it together.

PS I just rewatched the latest overcooked and that video is hilarious. and only half a mill views!! injustice!!

Edit: yep getting big blogs to spread the word would probs be a part of it!

[Ataraxia25]

omg directors' commentary i can't wait i can't wait! i was just mildly excited by the ii film
but now just for that, i'm SUPER excited! i cant wait i want it right. now.

[Ablissa]

I definitely think we could set up watch parties here and then spread the word onto other platforms. Just knowing a person or two that has more followers (sadly this is what it all comes down to with things like that) and having them pass it on would give us more interest.
Are there normally like, group chats while watching, or is it just people agreeing to start the video at the same time and later talk about it on their social media platform of choice? Because a chat would be fun, though it depends on the number of people that would join, and we'd have to set up something easy to access for everyone.

Anyway, even if it doesn't take off, this would be a fun thing to do as users of IDB, I think. This is my favorite part of the phandom tbh.

@ instastory - aaaaa I'm so excited when is the movie coming out whenwhenwhenwhen!!

[lesterchuu]

(its currently 630am on my way to work and on mobile so i pray i make at least some sense rip )

thanks for the clarification @Catallena! now i get what you mean but i still think thats something thats gunna be hard to start integrading in the fandom as of now. this is where the fandom culture comes in. taking on someones example, kpop fandom is HUGE, not to mention, the entire spectrum of idol fan culture itself. people will start breaking up into small groups within the community and try to make sense of it. for the most part, idol culture (not just kpop) has been around for such a long time that people just know what and how things work minus a few inconsistensies due to the changing sociatal norms. there are official fanclubs put up. there are fan meeting/signing ettiquette. what is an appropriate gift to give to your idols, etc... sure, kpop has been around for so long, but if i think about a more organized fandom, its got to be the jpop idol side. ive recently started liking this one group and watched one of their fan uploaded live performances and i was pleased by how everyone was collectively being polite and quiet for the majority of it because 1) they wanna hear the songs and 2) everyones recording it on their phones. heck, the recording came out pretty clear. and im aware that the big idol groups have an even more organized fanbase.

anyways, i digress.

ive been in the phandom for years and the oldest anyone can be in the fandom is about close to a decade (hello phil trash #1, our original phillie). were still relatively getting there in terms of organization. i do think itll be hard to start getting the phandom to get up from its lazy couches and do something BUT its not impossible. technically, phandom gives is one good example i could think of. as for helping their youtube careers-wise, i think dnp are on the cusp of something right now. i dont have facts, its just my gut feeling. as others have said, i do think they like keeping their fan bases low and dont want any attention right now. also @Ablissa, we could totally try something organized by the idb people. i know for one id be happy to help. (although i dont know how the insta phandom work either)


any wasy i gotta get to work now guys ty ly bb

edit: maybe a discord group? do we have a discord group?

[liola]

I'm so fucking READY for this movie to come out, I want all those comments!! I was sad we wouldn't get a behind the scene like for tatinof (which tbh is the one thing I watch over and over from tatinof)

Also they look fantastic, Dan looks so cute and it's nice to see him soft and smiley like that, you can tell how much being productive helps him

[alittledizzy]

(its currently 630am on my way to work and on mobile so i pray i make at least some sense rip )

thanks for the clarification @Catallena! now i get what you mean but i still think thats something thats gunna be hard to start integrading in the fandom as of now. this is where the fandom culture comes in. taking on someones example, kpop fandom is HUGE, not to mention, the entire spectrum of idol fan culture itself. people will start breaking up into small groups within the community and try to make sense of it. for the most part, idol culture (not just kpop) has been around for such a long time that people just know what and how things work minus a few inconsistensies due to the changing sociatal norms. there are official fanclubs put up. there are fan meeting/signing ettiquette. what is an appropriate gift to give to your idols, etc... sure, kpop has been around for so long, but if i think about a more organized fandom, its got to be the jpop idol side. ive recently started liking this one group and watched one of their fan uploaded live performances and i was pleased by how everyone was collectively being polite and quiet for the majority of it because 1) they wanna hear the songs and 2) everyones recording it on their phones. heck, the recording came out pretty clear. and im aware that the big idol groups have an even more organized fanbase.

anyways, i digress.

ive been in the phandom for years and the oldest anyone can be in the fandom is about close to a decade (hello phil trash #1, our original phillie). were still relatively getting there in terms of organization. i do think itll be hard to start getting the phandom to get up from its lazy couches and do something BUT its not impossible. technically, phandom gives is one good example i could think of. as for helping their youtube careers-wise, i think dnp are on the cusp of something right now. i dont have facts, its just my gut feeling. as others have said, i do think they like keeping their fan bases low and dont want any attention right now. also @Ablissa, we could totally try something organized by the idb people. i know for one id be happy to help. (although i dont know how the insta phandom work either)


any wasy i gotta get to work now guys ty ly bb

edit: maybe a discord group? do we have a discord group?

I actually don't think that'd be a great idea. I think anything that people have to actively sign up and join would just turn into a group chat and put people off. If people want to do a chat and rewatch, we could have a thread for it on IDB? That would it wouldn't be closed off to lurkers, even people who don't want to "chat" by posting could still watch along at the same time and read what other people are saying with full lurker capability.