Dan & Phil Part 98: forever home!!1!!!

[Secretstanner]

With those numbers and views, knowing how expensive London is, I would say they are in a middle class range - earning as a senior manager in a company.
Not an luxury life - but pretty comfortable.

Being middle class is literally a life of luxury if you are working class. That doesn’t include money from when they would get over millions per video, gaming channel, 2 book sales, 2 world tours, merch sales, radio show, app, board game etc. They could retire and never have to worry about money again. The boys don’t splash the cash like we see other youtubers doing. Buying fancy cars, bags, clothes. I don’t like the down playing that they don’t have a lot of money. Who can afford to pay for 2 flats for almost 4 years because the house you bought and Renovated isn’t ready? They gotts the money

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[shan]

With those numbers and views, knowing how expensive London is, I would say they are in a middle class range - earning as a senior manager in a company.
Not an luxury life - but pretty comfortable.

Being middle class is literally a life of luxury if you are working class. That doesn’t include money from when they would get over millions per video, gaming channel, 2 book sales, 2 world tours, merch sales, radio show, app, board game etc. They could retire and never have to worry about money again. The boys don’t splash the cash like we see other youtubers doing. Buying fancy cars, bags, clothes. I don’t like the down playing that they don’t have a lot of money. Who can afford to pay for 2 flats for almost 4 years because the house you bought and Renovated isn’t ready? They gotts the money

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Absolutely, not to mention the two flats being in central London and one being a penthouse! They'd be more than comfortable. Sponsorships Phil has for most videos would easily be more than the revenue gained from ads.

Really interesting to see the range of revenue with higher-viewed videos earning less than some lower ones.

[alittledizzy]

Yeah - definitely the youtube revenue is NOT the biggest chunk of their income. If they saved and invested right after what were probably the big lump sums they got (book deals x3, documentary, dvds) plus sponsorships and merch and tour ticket sales... then I'm absolutely sure they're doing more than fine.

[Morganaa]

Comfortably yeah, but when someone thinks they are god knows how rich, they're probably wrong. Im saying that because i know the reality and i know how people think others must be extremely rich while in fact - they arent. Yup, i'll probably shoot myself in a foot by sayin that, but im PRETTY SURE they have less than you all think they do.

[Levitating]

. They could retire and never have to worry about money again

It would be really difficult! London is reaaally expensive. A rent that gives you one single room in a share flat can give you a whole house and garden outside of it (and the nicer the area, the newer the place, the higher the cost). Not to mention living cost. They also mentioned that they had invested "all" of their money in the tour so they had to find recover it + earn some more + pay rents + living costs + pay taxes and their own pension scheme + save money + mortgages now.

Plus Youtube is really an unstable job, so I can only image they must have used a big deposit for the mortgage to secure a good deal.

I am happy for them! Being white, cis, British men must have helped a great deal, of course, but it's still due to their hard work! Being self employed is nice, but you are also your own source of income.

[shan]

Of course living in the city is more expensive, that's the same the world over. London being London obviously costs more that most others but people who are only comfortable/middle class don't travel business class all over the world, stay in extravagant Japanese hotels (as someone who has been multiple times, the places they stayed were outrageously expensive), have two inner city apartments, buy designer clothes while one partner spend two years working on a book and additional projects that don't eventuate.

They invested their own money in the tour because they wanted to be in charge. They absolutely got it back + some with exception of Asia during II.

Like others have said, it's not only their new videos bringing in money, they get income from views to their old content as well. And contrary to idea they have less than we think, I watched a video recently were a content creator said the exact opposite, that online entertainers make a lot more than you probably expect them to.

[rizzo]

It's amazing that all it takes for people to believe Dan and Phil aren't completely loaded is for them to publicly live below their means. But like -- guys, really... think about it.

Secretstanner is correct They've just spent 4 years renting 2 (two) central London flats, one of which is a duplex penthouse.

In addition to that, Dan's entire wardrobe is designer at this point (though props to him on that #curatedcloset) and I don't believe it was all given to him for free like he claims. But like also - look at Phil. I know that all he buys is Topman and ASOS, but it sure ain't the clearance section. That man buys himself the Fresh Topman Releases at full price like... weekly. When they travel, they're always first class (unless it's to IoM and the plane literally doesn't have a first class section). And unless it's on a tour with employees, they stay in the Nicest Suite in the Nicest Hotel on the Top Floor. They want something? They buy it. New iPhone? Theirs. Limited edition NASA shoes Phil wanted? Dan found 'em. Adopting a betta? Bought the fanciest tank they could get your hands on. And when Dan donates to random livestream charities - he literally just drops hundreds. And these are just the minimal things off the top of my head that signal money is not an issue for them. Don't even get me started on them putting every single thing they want(Dan's words, not mine) into a new build London home.

Look at the sponsorships they've taken in the last few years. You'll recognize every brand and those brands come with big money. DIsney. Tinder. Warner Bros. These men are selective - if they wanted to, they'd take on less lucrative stuff. But they don't want to because they don't have to. Their tours sold out merch at ever stop - they literally had to limit quantities per stop. They make a percentage on everything IRL sells. They make 4-5 figure incomes from every single live show and stream they've ever done from all the "high fives" and "messages" people paid to send, and that doesn't even include contractual payments from Stereo and YouNow/Rize. And alittledizzy mostly covered this, but the passive income on all their (CONSTANTLY REWATCHED) videos doesn't just stop. That's money into their wallets daily while they play video games on the couch. Plus a bit of money here and there from the books and board games and DVDs.

These men ran the internet for a number of years. You won't find a tumblr user between 2010 and 2015 who didn't know who they were. They drove comments on irrelevant videos, the longest lines at conventions, and the loudest screams... and frankly they still do. That's why you see bitter old creators grumble about them on occasion still. That kind of presence does not an empty wallet make.

Plenty of youtubers have been more obvious about their wealth and have driven significantly less engagement and done significantly less work (LA isn't cheap either - so this isn't a London thing). Dan and Phil have been hoarding their pennies (give or take 2 rental payments)... and frankly, idk about you, but I'm ready to see it in the form of glass windows (heh), green feature walls, and a very spoiled dog.

I know I rant about this like.... twice a year, but i have feelings.

[shan]

It's amazing that all it takes for people to believe Dan and Phil aren't completely loaded is for them to publicly live below their means. But like -- guys, really... think about it.

It feels like another form of the relationship debate tbh. If they don't flaunt their relationship, they're two besties buying a forever home for convenience. If they don't flaunt their wealth, we'll see them working the registers at ASDA in a few years to make ends meet.

[soveinco]

JUST the leaderboard prize money for Stereo (which I think we originally all figured he wouldn't be part of since he was sponsored, but that didn't seem to be the case, since he was listed on it, and the other creators complained about him) had me both happy (for them) and slightly nauseous (about the state of society): Phil got the $5000 and Dan got the $4000 for the Phil and Phriends episode . . . and then the "afterparty" was a new week, so they got it AGAIN a few days later.

$18,000 in less than two weeks for talking to your boyfriend for two hours.

Nice work if you can get it, lads.

(*unless there was some info about this that I missed saying they didn't get that money, but it sure looked like they did to me!)

[oblongdisposition]

I’ve seen a theory going around that Dan’s rumored Netflix project will be him voicing the existential dread cube in season 3 of the umbrella academy. Apparently because of his connection to Gerard Way and existential dread branding. I can’t really imagine Dan taking on such a big voice acting role.

[Secretstanner]

I’ve seen a theory going around that Dan’s rumored Netflix project will be him voicing the existential dread cube in season 3 of the umbrella academy. Apparently because of his connection to Gerard Way and existential dread branding. I can’t really imagine Dan taking on such a big voice acting role.

I havnt not seen that but I am 100 percent here for that theory. And now if it doesn’t happen I won’t be happy. Do I think it’s true? Maybe not but this is a fun theory anything could happen. I don’t know if Dan would put all his fingers in so many pies lol (that’s not the right saying, I’m just saying random crap that would come out of Phils mouth) If Dan said he was working on 3 things of his own would he also want to do a voice acting role when he might of had to sign for multiple seasons? It’s a lot of work but more power to him if it was true. I wouldn’t be mad

[shan]

I noticed that bryony has privated her video with dnp Does anyone know if it has been reuploaded anywhere?

I'm definitely gonna work on hunting this down.

Please share if you find it! I've just gone searching with no luck. Damn Bryony for deleting all her social media posts! I was thinking about it recently too and am now kicking myself for not downloading a copy. Dan's liveshow with them is still up though and I'll definitely not be making that mistake again.

Edit: follow up question; does anyone have a recommended site for downloading youtube vids?

[kavat]

Comfortably yeah, but when someone thinks they are god knows how rich, they're probably wrong. Im saying that because i know the reality and i know how people think others must be extremely rich while in fact - they arent. Yup, i'll probably shoot myself in a foot by sayin that, but im PRETTY SURE they have less than you all think they do.

I mean it's all relative. Compared to, idk, Jeff Bezos? Practically dirt poor. But compared to most of us? Definitely rich. (Unless you lot are all millionaires, which in case, please share.)

They have made more money than I ever will in my lifetime. That makes them rich in my eyes. I don't know what you qualify as "extremely rich" but that's also going to be a different number for different people.

And to clarify, when I talk about them being rich I am referring to net worth, so including any investments, shares in companies etc. They are probably smart enough to not have put everything they've made in a savings account.

[Templeofshame]

I noticed that bryony has privated her video with dnp Does anyone know if it has been reuploaded anywhere?

I'm definitely gonna work on hunting this down.

Please share if you find it! I've just gone searching with no luck. Damn Bryony for deleting all her social media posts! I was thinking about it recently too and am now kicking myself for not downloading a copy. Dan's liveshow with them is still up though and I'll definitely not be making that mistake again.

Edit: follow up question; does anyone have a recommended site for downloading youtube vids?

Bryony recently replied to someone on IG saying that if they had a particular vid they were looking for, let her know. So I think people could politely ask and potentially receive?

Re: money, people can have different opinions about how rich multimillionaires are and whether or not one can retire on an amount that most of us will never see in our lives. Personally, I think we also often under-stress the wealth that Phil grew up with and the impact that has on his relationship to money; I think the way we see Phil relate to money reflects that "rich person thinking." They're smart business people with investments and sponsorships and many other revenue streams, and they're famous enough that there are lots of people who want to give them more money and free stuff. I think it can be interesting to look at the specifics of YouTube numbers but the argument about whether they're rich seems to end up more about the privilege and perspective of the arguers than reaching any new insight about these two multimillionaires.

[inanerat]

Other people have already made good points about everything so I won't repeat them. Another thing I think that comes into play for me personally is how hard big numbers are to wrap your head around. It's hard for me to honestly comprehend ever having more than like,, a million dollars (and that even is a mark of privilege for sure), above that my brain is just like 'wow Lot Of Money ok' :shutdown:

In addition to that, Dan's entire wardrobe is designer at this point (though props to him on that #curatedcloset) and I don't believe it was all given to him for free like he claims. But like also - look at Phil. I know that all he buys is Topman and ASOS, but it sure ain't the clearance section. That man buys himself the Fresh Topman Releases at full price like... weekly.

On this, one of my main predictions for the house is a lot of closet space, at least in their room. I mean, as people who are(or were lol) on camera regularly, it makes some sense that they have quite a bit so they don't repeat super often. The moon room had a lot of closet space and I'm sure they used all of it, and since they get to choose with the house I'm sure they will plan for storage.
Between the two of them, those lads need a lot of closet space... even though they don's have to fit themselves in there anymore.. badumtis

Completely unrelated but what the fuck is this emote and why have I not realized it existed until now

[Levitating]

the argument about whether they're rich seems to end up more about the privilege and perspective of the arguers than reaching any new insight about these two multimillionaires.

I agree! I just wonder whether Tumblr-users who call them billionaires/ "greedy for money" (when all they do, as everyone should, is earn their living) are younger fans with little experience in the job market/expenses of a life as an adult or if it's comes from people who simply - somehow - do not see money as an important resource one needs to keep earning and thus judge them for simply... wanting to support their lifestyle? There's a sort of patronising tone in that Capital Lester they use for Phil.
These conceptions paint Phil as someone who's sneaky for simply waiting to keep his earnings stable? I find it a bit sad, since nobody is there, I don't know, criticising a lawyer taking a new case after the other for money (hopefully, and most likely, at an increase rate as their skills grow), or a yoga teacher doing more and more classes each weak, at a more and more luxurious sport centres. Or even a factory worker who, even if he already earns for food&shelter, changes job to earn some more.

I do not know much about Phil's family, but I have always had the perception that Dan was a little bit out of touch with what poverty in the UK is, as a white British family. And nonetheless, he suffered form depression - as anyone can do, regardless of social location - and he managed to build what he has now. And he's about to become a home-owner before his 30th birthday!

[Templeofshame]

I agree! I just wonder whether Tumblr-users who call them billionaires/ "greedy for money" (when all they do, as everyone should, is earn their living) are younger fans with little experience in the job market/expenses of a life as an adult

I've never seen anyone refer to them as billionaires but if I did I would assume they were joking? But I think the point about very large quantities of anything is a very good one, and most people don't have a firm grasp of how large the difference between a few million dollars and a billion is (especially for those of us who would absolutely retire if we had a few million). If we're all talking about something that's being said outside of IDB, I haven't seen it and I'm probably totally off-topic with this and I'm sorry.

I have historically (not recently) seen a lot of people enjoy the capital£ester meme and enjoyed it myself without any patronizing or even truly critical intent. I think it's fun to identify traits and patterns in D&P and to joke about them, and from the perspective of fans who have dramatically less money than them, it can be amusing to see Phil nickel-and-dime things like visual effects (and this attitude is part of the "rich person thinking" I was referring to). Sometimes I think there's an air of finding Phil smart for monetizing things in particular ways, or of suggesting things that he could do that would benefit us and also have profit in them, or being amused and maybe a little eye-rolly at the clunkiness of some #spons.

I don't know how much anyone on IDB wants to get into ~*Capitalism*~ as a larger issue but I also think a lot of the Tumblr phandom that I see is coming from a place of criticism toward capitalism as a whole more than blaming Phil for functioning within it. But it is definitely a strange mixture in the overall phandom, with some people who feel betrayed that D&P do anything for money, people who feel that because it's their job they should be held to standards like other types of jobs, people who don't believe D&P are wealthy, and everyone in between and outside those (who often get generalized and lumped into categories that don't really fit).

[Morganaa]

Well, i believe they are wealthy and definitely dont struggle with money, but i kinda cringe when i see people calling them multimillionaires(or billionaires wtf???) All of the things you've mentioned make them money, but A LOT of this income goes into running this. And im not just a troll who dont believe coz they aint showing off - im actually know and knew people who others thought were wealthy as holy shit, while in fact - they have $$$ but not this much. Sponsorships probavly dont pay them in millions and these big companies are probabky not chasing them around and payin them millions just for them to talk about them for a while. I said earlier - i know the reality. And the reality is that in most cases people seen by their fans as "loaded" are not. They have money, like i said, but i dont think they get paid like crazy - plus dont forget that they have a lot to be putting this money into, like tours, irl, etc. Im just saying what i know from my experience. And if course different figures have different meaning and comparing them to most people(i dont know how it looks like in the UK, since im a dumb american, comin from gangster cify of Detroit, but id also say(like somebody else did before) they probably just normal middle class. On the higher range, but middle class still. And it doesnt matter whats in their closets and what fhey buy-you'd be surprised how folks tight on money can be buying really expensive shit and how often. We dont know the whole history of their income , so im JUST SAYING that reality aint not a fairytale. From my experience, id tell you they probs have a nice account, but aint as "loaded" as you think.
Oh, and the net worths that can be find on the internet are often made-up shif.
I kinda feel like this discussuon is pointless and will lead us absolutely nowhere. You believe they're mulfimillionaires(probably because of the lack of experience and knowledge of how this all works ), which to me me sounds laughable, and i, out of my job and experience, just dont think thats the case. not to mention it"s ALL speculating as there's no official info that i know of, and will i convience you? No. I just wanted to add a little doubtful opinion along all those saying they're crazy rich, and like i said it"s not based on cloudy shit but actual experience, but aight,
Just like i thought, i've made... Maybe not a shitstorm, but a situation where other users(who are much more into them than me, maybe thats the additional factor in your extreme wealth theory( tryin to conviencs me im all wrong, even when i said whats the matter here.

[casualsun]

Re: money, people can have different opinions about how rich multimillionaires are and whether or not one can retire on an amount that most of us will never see in our lives. Personally, I think we also often under-stress the wealth that Phil grew up with and the impact that has on his relationship to money; I think the way we see Phil relate to money reflects that "rich person thinking." They're smart business people with investments and sponsorships and many other revenue streams, and they're famous enough that there are lots of people who want to give them more money and free stuff. I think it can be interesting to look at the specifics of YouTube numbers but the argument about whether they're rich seems to end up more about the privilege and perspective of the arguers than reaching any new insight about these two multimillionaires.

Can someone tell me how we know that Phil grew up wealthy? We’ve seen his childhood home and it is definitely nice, but it is not a mansion and seems like a normal house to me. He worked retail jobs in his teens and in college, like most young people do, and never seemed to be rolling in cash from his parents. Phil over the years has also shown himself to be quite frugal, wise with his purchases, and definitely does not seem to take money for granted. This doesn’t seem like someone who grew up “wealthy”. I’m sure his family was comfortable, and maybe I just have a different definition of wealth than everyone else, but they never seemed to be especially well-off.

I also think Dan’s family’s apparent poverty is over-exagerrated. I believe Dan that his family was not well-off, but he had toys and game consoles and his own bedroom in a house. Of course we will never really know. I just wondered if people have more concrete evidence for these things.

[alittledizzy]

Re: money, people can have different opinions about how rich multimillionaires are and whether or not one can retire on an amount that most of us will never see in our lives. Personally, I think we also often under-stress the wealth that Phil grew up with and the impact that has on his relationship to money; I think the way we see Phil relate to money reflects that "rich person thinking." They're smart business people with investments and sponsorships and many other revenue streams, and they're famous enough that there are lots of people who want to give them more money and free stuff. I think it can be interesting to look at the specifics of YouTube numbers but the argument about whether they're rich seems to end up more about the privilege and perspective of the arguers than reaching any new insight about these two multimillionaires.

Can someone tell me how we know that Phil grew up wealthy? We’ve seen his childhood home and it is definitely nice, but it is not a mansion and seems like a normal house to me. He worked retail jobs in his teens and in college, like most young people do, and never seemed to be rolling in cash from his parents. Phil over the years has also shown himself to be quite frugal, wise with his purchases, and definitely does not seem to take money for granted. This doesn’t seem like someone who grew up “wealthy”. I’m sure his family was comfortable, and maybe I just have a different definition of wealth than everyone else, but they never seemed to be especially well-off.

I also think Dan’s family’s apparent poverty is over-exagerrated. I believe Dan that his family was not well-off, but he had toys and game consoles and his own bedroom in a house. Of course we will never really know. I just wondered if people have more concrete evidence for these things.

For me it's speculative based on a lot of things. That Phil never really had to work (he always references his time at WH Smith as very short, he quit when a woman threw a chocolate orange at his head, and didn't hold any jobs during uni), that his parents had two homes going back years (one in Manchester that they built from the ground up and one on Isle of Man where Phil's grandparents lived, per Martyn's tweets from years ago), that Phil could afford his own apartment while still job searching after uni, the weeks long holidays to Florida multiple times a year with nice vacation homes, and that Dan and Phil certainly had to have gotten help from somewhere to afford that first London apartment before they actually started getting BBC paychecks.

[casualsun]

Re: money, people can have different opinions about how rich multimillionaires are and whether or not one can retire on an amount that most of us will never see in our lives. Personally, I think we also often under-stress the wealth that Phil grew up with and the impact that has on his relationship to money; I think the way we see Phil relate to money reflects that "rich person thinking." They're smart business people with investments and sponsorships and many other revenue streams, and they're famous enough that there are lots of people who want to give them more money and free stuff. I think it can be interesting to look at the specifics of YouTube numbers but the argument about whether they're rich seems to end up more about the privilege and perspective of the arguers than reaching any new insight about these two multimillionaires.

Can someone tell me how we know that Phil grew up wealthy? We’ve seen his childhood home and it is definitely nice, but it is not a mansion and seems like a normal house to me. He worked retail jobs in his teens and in college, like most young people do, and never seemed to be rolling in cash from his parents. Phil over the years has also shown himself to be quite frugal, wise with his purchases, and definitely does not seem to take money for granted. This doesn’t seem like someone who grew up “wealthy”. I’m sure his family was comfortable, and maybe I just have a different definition of wealth than everyone else, but they never seemed to be especially well-off.

I also think Dan’s family’s apparent poverty is over-exagerrated. I believe Dan that his family was not well-off, but he had toys and game consoles and his own bedroom in a house. Of course we will never really know. I just wondered if people have more concrete evidence for these things.

For me it's speculative based on a lot of things. That Phil never really had to work (he always references his time at WH Smith as very short, he quit when a woman threw a chocolate orange at his head, and didn't hold any jobs during uni), that his parents had two homes going back years (one in Manchester that they built from the ground up and one on Isle of Man where Phil's grandparents lived, per Martyn's tweets from years ago), that Phil could afford his own apartment while still job searching after uni, the weeks long holidays to Florida multiple times a year with nice vacation homes, and that Dan and Phil certainly had to have gotten help from somewhere to afford that first London apartment before they actually started getting BBC paychecks.

Thank you, those are great points and exactly what I was looking for! I didn’t realize they built their manchester house, nor did I know that they had always owned a IoM house. The Florida trips are also very relevant. I still don’t think Phil’s family was ultra-wealthy, but they definitely seem better off than the average English family.

[dontpanic]

I always kinda assumed they have about as much as a doctor/general practitioner just based off, like, the vibes. But any way we cut it though, the idea that they could retire atm is so weird to me. I guess if they really downsize their pretty high standard of living, never have kids, and don't go on many more opulent vacations?

So when do we think we'll next see Dan's face? I'm being optimistic and saying 4 months? I've weirdly been missing his endearingly pretentious music opinions, I want to hear him complain about The Weeknd snub from the grammys

[Secretstanner]

I always kinda assumed they have about as much as a doctor/general practitioner just based off, like, the vibes. But any way we cut it though, the idea that they could retire atm is so weird to me. I guess if they really downsize their pretty high standard of living, never have kids, and don't go on many more opulent vacations?

When I say retire I mean purely from being a youtuber not never having to work a day in their life again. They wouldn’t have to worry about money in the sense of ‘can I pay my bills this month’. They have so many connections they have made through their careers that if they wanted to take a step back but work in the background and business side of things they could. And I’m sure they will in the future.

Dan being able to take over a year to put out a video and then another year to write a book and not have to worry, while still managed to be able to pay rent on 2 apartments, mortgage and a full house renovation shows that they have the means.

Could they personally live off the rest of their money they have made and never work? No. They go on LUXURY holidays, can afford to never cook, take a taxi anywhere in London and never get the tube. Could I? Yes because me and Dan and Phil have two very different ideas of what extravagant and normal is. Even though they like to pretend they don’t. It’s okay they have a lot money. I’m not saying that at all. They worked for it. And I think it just adds to my point. If Dan and Phil didnt have such a “luxurious” life they COULD live off the money.

Gonna change the subject. The video they put out nearly two weeks ago has really kept me fed. Normally I would be inching for a Phil video but I’m still living off the high from the joint content. I have no idea when we will see or here from Dan again. I’m kinda not expecting anything till March. Will Phil need to put out a video this month since his last video got 2 million views? Probably not. But when he does I literally have no expectations for what it will be.

[shan]

The video they put out nearly two weeks ago has really kept me fed. Normally I would be inching for a Phil video but I’m still living off the high from the joint content. I have no idea when we will see or here from Dan again. I’m kinda not expecting anything till March. Will Phil need to put out a video this month since his last video got 2 million views? Probably not. But when he does I literally have no expectations for what it will be.

The thumbnail showed up in my recommended vids after watching something completely unrelated this morning and my heart was so full just remembering that actually happened

I don't think we'll get a new video this month because of the crazy amount of content we got in December. I'd love for him to surprise us with one but I'm keeping my expectations low for Jan.

[Catallena]

I'm not particulalarly interested in the discussion rn, but as the inventor of Capita£ester (read the £ as an L!) I had to react because if that joke has ever had a derogatory tone to it, it was simply used wrong. And like it says in my signature, I do not stand for that.

The joke is from an era where while Dan was going on about ~authenticity and all that good stuff, Phil seemed the one that remembered that It Is A Job and seemed more money oriented. Not in a greedy laxative tea sponning influencer kind of way, just in a funny way compared to Dan. The way he would make sure to plug merch and get those videos over 10 minutes, in combination with his entire wardrobe being from Topman and (jokingly) complaining about the price of a fireworks effect was really funny to me. It was a quirk that added a bit of personality to the Extremely Safe For Work Phil that we knew back then, before he became comfortable enough to be the chaotic gay that he is now on the AP channel. So yeah, I ran with it. Remember, Phil was often perceived as too innocent and childish. That made the money thing more amusing to me and apparently many others. Nothing bad, just a way of appreciating something about Phil that wasn't sterile and safe.





Anyway, hey look a Dan thing! (together with the wonderful jessica kellgren-fozard)