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human wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:45 pm I figure Dan’s tweet is just because they’re heading to russia and know they’ll be off the grid so may as well take a break.
what u mean?? i seen other people say this as well. is it cause of laws?
btw i am fine with him taking a break, he needs it probably. i dropped a majority of my social media usage this year, definitely less stressful.
hope phil takes cute bf pics of him tho (if dan's willing to let that happen)
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watsonian wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:53 pm Dan: for absolutely no reason at all
Phandom: here is an itemized list of exactly 84 plausible reasons
@watsonian This might be awkward because I could be wrong, but is that a Hamilton reference?
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ratlad wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:00 pm
human wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:45 pm I figure Dan’s tweet is just because they’re heading to russia and know they’ll be off the grid so may as well take a break.
what u mean?? i seen other people say this as well. is it cause of laws?
btw i am fine with him taking a break, he needs it probably. i dropped a majority of my social media usage this year, definitely less stressful.
hope phil takes cute bf pics of him tho (if dan's willing to let that happen)
It may well be that, but also I think U.K. mobile phone networks don’t roam there and there could be WiFi issues also etc.
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The show tonight was amazing however meeting up with the lovely people from here was even better ❤️

We had seats on the balcony and
omg the lighting and stage is so much better from up there it was sooo good from up high! I didn’t realise how good the lighting was until today it really compliments the show so much.
Also if Dan wants some time off, enjoy it dude! He said there was no reason so I’m gonna go with what he said and there is no reason other than he wants some time to himself. I hope he has a good time. They must be knackered after their long day today!
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sweetlyphan wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:06 pm
watsonian wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:53 pm Dan: for absolutely no reason at all
Phandom: here is an itemized list of exactly 84 plausible reasons
@watsonian This might be awkward because I could be wrong, but is that a Hamilton reference?
If it is it's unfortunately not an intentional one, as I've never gotten to see Hamilton! In case you feel awkward here's a cute tweet of someone's turtle enjoying Dan and Phil. :love1:
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Ugh I know it doesn’t help to worry but the wanting distance from social media + that tweet about caring about people more than they care about him is reminding me a lot of myself when i’m going into a depressive episode. I really hope it is just him simply wanting to take a break.
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KatjaZoe wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:11 am Ugh I know it doesn’t help to worry but the wanting distance from social media + that tweet about caring about people more than they care about him is reminding me a lot of myself when i’m going into a depressive episode. I really hope it is just him simply wanting to take a break.
he said "think" in the tweet, and it was probably just a weird thought that was going through his head. perhaps about celebrities that aren't aware of him or thinking too much of what other's think about him. or it could have been a sad tweet, we don't know.
i think people are looking too deep into it, which i'm guilty of doing as well with what dnp do sometimes, but it's going to be okay.
maybe it is a wave of a depressive episode, it's at least okay to know that he's taking care of himself.
edit: i realized i might have sounded like an asshole when i corrected what his tweet said, i didn't mean to. i was just trying to reassure you that it wasn't about him not feeling cared for.
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For a bit of levity, did this tweet that Phil liked get shared yet? Because I'm cackling. Of course Phil liked it.
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alittledizzy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:05 am For a bit of levity, did this tweet that Phil liked get shared yet? Because I'm cackling. Of course Phil liked it.
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Ok this is gonna sound weird but since seeing the show yesterday I have all the weirdest kind of emotions and I can't even pin point what they are. I'm just feeling strongly about something intangible.

Something that feels weirdly final and like closure? Maybe it's the lack of videos that is causing this, and Dan's social media break on top. Is he feeling bad? Am I contributing to this by going to the show? Is it ok that I didn't like parts of the shows, especially
when Dan constantly insists we are bad people? I know it's supposed to be a joke but I'm bad at taking those. The majority of the show felt like an ironic "You all need to leave us alone and expect less".
Maybe I'm just pms'ing but someone please tell my emotions to shut up.
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alittledizzy wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:41 pm Phil. Phil. I know it looks phallic. But please don't stick the candy up your butt. That's not where candy goes.

we can count the number of times on one hand phil has insinuated something up his butt, even if not a person, wouldn't be the worst thing to happen. and two of them have been this year. 2018 is wild!
LtrllySusan wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:18 am Ok this is gonna sound weird but since seeing the show yesterday I have all the weirdest kind of emotions and I can't even pin point what they are. I'm just feeling strongly about something intangible.

Something that feels weirdly final and like closure? Maybe it's the lack of videos that is causing this, and Dan's social media break on top. Is he feeling bad? Am I contributing to this by going to the show? Is it ok that I didn't like parts of the shows, especially
when Dan constantly insists we are bad people? I know it's supposed to be a joke but I'm bad at taking those. The majority of the show felt like an ironic "You all need to leave us alone and expect less".
Maybe I'm just pms'ing but someone please tell my emotions to shut up.
if it helps, i had the same thing after seeing tabinof. i felt really weird about them for days. i think something about the live experience causes introspection and a sense of occasion. most likely reality is dan is a tired introvert who tends toward low moods and needs recharging, who instead of being able to hide for a few days in his house is about to travel somewhere he's never been before that has a complicated political relationship with his identity. it feels significantly positive to me, rather than foreboding, that's he's trying something new and communicating his intentions.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Dan taking a sm break. Maybe he's taking that time to work on the vid he wanted to do for June. And if he is feeling low, I'd rather he stay away from sm then have another meltdown like last March. He has a good support system and he'll be back when he's ready.

As someone who attended yesterdays matinee,
They definitely were dragging the phandom, or rather it's invasiveness and mob mentality. And let's not pretend it isnt a collective problem. I know people on here are pretty good at reigning it in, but the phandom has a bad rep for a reason.
I didn't get the vibe of finality, but I do think they'l never do anything on this scale again. At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if youtube becomes less of a priority to them post tour, and they focus more on joined and individual projects outside the limelight. Which would be good and healthy for them. They've been doing it for a long time, and taking a few steps back would allow them to live more freely without having their privacy constantly invaded.
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thewaytobehappy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:48 am As someone who attended yesterdays matinee,
They definitely were dragging the phandom, or rather it's invasiveness and mob mentality. And let's not pretend it isnt a collective problem. I know people on here are pretty good at reigning it in, but the phandom has a bad rep for a reason.
I didn't get the vibe of finality, but I do think they'l never do anything on this scale again. At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if youtube becomes less of a priority to them post tour, and they focus more on joined and individual projects outside the limelight. Which would be good and healthy for them. They've been doing it for a long time, and taking a few steps back would allow them to live more freely without having their privacy constantly invaded.
It's fine with me if they wanna point out problematic behaviour in their fandom, but in the form of a stage show? Idk, I don't feel like I should pay €70 to be ironically told I'm a bad person. At times in the show I felt like the one innocent kid in class when the teacher is scolding everyone. I didn't do nothing, please don't blame me!

I guess maybe it's just me who has a hard time enjoying this somewhat aggressive ironic honesty.

I really enjoyed the second part of the show, but the first half was definitely not for me.
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I didn't mean to upset you, if I did I apologize. I don't think dragging us was all they were doing btw. Dan can be very cutting in his humor (which is why he isn't my cup of tea individually) but on the whole it was in good humor.

But then I'm not on any social media and can only see the "surface" of the phandom, so I'm probably not the best person to make an assesment.

On the matinee itself, I was surprised that they included 2 of my suggestions for "Wholesome Howell and X-Rated Lester". I was Laura who suggested the wet sock and dancing in flowers, haha. I only filled in a handful of things on the form we were sent.

I was also surprised at how delicately Phil carries himself irl,
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It’s really interesting seeing your take on the show @LtrllySusan and @thewaytobehappy
ive never come away feeling like they’ve dragged the phandom during the show or that they think we are bad people. I find them to be quite sincere during the show especially during the part where they talk about how they can look back and remember the shows in years to come and when they say how much we mean to them/without us they wouldn’t be on the stage etc. It’s interesting to see your take on it though, I’ll be waiting to see how you feel in a few days Susan.

I do agree though that the second half of the show is 1000x better than the first! And it is annoying to me that for the dilemmas and most of the interactive parts they are using the same things over and over. I can literally give you Dans speech about humanity being bad word for word “meteor me up daddy” at this point. That isn’t what they said it was going to be, they said each show would be different. I guess they didn’t expect people to go to more than one show and realise that!
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LtrllySusan wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:18 am Ok this is gonna sound weird but since seeing the show yesterday I have all the weirdest kind of emotions and I can't even pin point what they are. I'm just feeling strongly about something intangible.

Something that feels weirdly final and like closure? Maybe it's the lack of videos that is causing this, and Dan's social media break on top. Is he feeling bad? Am I contributing to this by going to the show? Is it ok that I didn't like parts of the shows, especially
when Dan constantly insists we are bad people? I know it's supposed to be a joke but I'm bad at taking those. The majority of the show felt like an ironic "You all need to leave us alone and expect less".
Maybe I'm just pms'ing but someone please tell my emotions to shut up.
I also remember people feeling the exact same way about TATINOF and I think partly to blame is the fact that Dan and Phil seem to have this idea that something will mean more to fans if the fans believe what they're seeing really is some kind of big life event for both us and them; hence them using for TATINOF the whole "this is so you can remember us when the world ends" line that freaked everyone out and had them predicting an impending split as soon as the tour was over, and the "when we're 80 in our rocking chairs" bit from II. I agree with what they explicitly say, I don't think they'll tour again; beyond that, I think all the feel of 'finality' you were getting I put no more stock in that the TATINOF 'this is so you can remember us' bit. It just feels there to hype the project they're working on right now.

I do also agree with @mermaid blood that seeing them live makes you more introspective. I definitely remember feeling weirdly heavy towards them in the immediate aftermath of TATINOF.

In terms of Dan insisting we're bad people; he really is translating the humor he uses on twitter toward fans into real life. If you're not one of those people making those jokes on twitter I can see how it would be jarring in real life, though. I don't think he intends the theme to be 'leave us alone and expect less' so much as he is doing what he talks about in bed during the week in the life video, exploring the various themes of connection.
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mermaid blood wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:45 am
most likely reality is dan is a tired introvert who tends toward low moods and needs recharging, who instead of being able to hide for a few days in his house is about to travel somewhere he's never been before that has a complicated political relationship with his identity. it feels significantly positive to me, rather than foreboding, that's he's trying something new and communicating his intentions.
I think your assessment is spot on! :tu: (and beautifully articulate :stan: )

Performing and traveling when you are truly an introvert is exhausting in itself! That alone would make me want to crawl in a cave for a week! And I think his desire to detox could be as simple as that.

But we also know how in touch he is with his inner world, geoglobal politics, and his own views of the larger cosmos. He's been open about his desire to live his truth, so the complexities of heading to Russia may very well be an additional drain on his energy.

I appreciate that he being upfront, and agree that saying "no particular reason" is both a healthy sign, and probably an attempt to try to minimize some of the "angst" his little break may cause some in the phandom. It shows an awareness of his fans, and is a caring gesture.

Here's to Dan's sanity retreat :ribena:
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Very good addition to a post post from someone who is actually Russian on the topic of Dan and Phil in Russia:
(I'm told that this isn't showing up for some people, so here's a direct link to the post!)
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alittledizzy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:50 pm (I'm told that this isn't showing up for some people, so here's a direct link to the post!)

doesn't show for me either, but as someone who's also Russian (not that it means we all must have the same opinion) and has seen the show yesterday, I completely agree with everything that person has written. I would, of course, love some kind of gesture of support, like Dan wearing his equality-written-in-Russian shirt or something, but even if they don't do anything, I'm still appreciative of the fact that they decided to go and hope they'll love Moscow, it's a beautiful city with all kinds of entertainment on offer, especially if you have money. I'll be more afraid for them being in the US, if I'm completely honest. Is that the anti-guns propaganda? I don't know, but it's working on me :shrug: jk
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About Russia, I think they are perfectly aware of what to expect and looked at every possibly controversial country before committing on going there. Maybe they'll tone down some jokes a little bit, that I can understand, after all they did it when Phil's family was in the audience and it wasn't a big deal.

Anyway, I just saw a post on tumblr (that I can't link because mobile hates me) but apparently for a few hours after Phil uploaded his video, the first recommended video was a re-upload of video-that-shall-not-be-named. It was taken down after a few hours and that upload is not up anymore but i find it awfully, tragically funny. I know, I know, I'm a bad person. It's just...sorry Phil.
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alittledizzy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:40 am
In terms of Dan insisting we're bad people; he really is translating the humor he uses on twitter toward fans into real life. If you're not one of those people making those jokes on twitter I can see how it would be jarring in real life, though. I don't think he intends the theme to be 'leave us alone and expect less' so much as he is doing what he talks about in bed during the week in the life video, exploring the various themes of connection.
I'm curious how you'd describe the humor Dan uses on twitter. Do you notice it being different from humor he uses in livestreams or on YouTube? By those jokes, do you mean jokes about being bad people? And like, why is that a thing or a theme in the phandom?

A lot of the time when Dan addresses the audience on YouTube and twitter I find myself thinking he's projecting, because whatever he says about us doesn't apply to me and I'm just that self-involved. But I also feel like I'm missing a big part of phandom culture and it's likely that a lot of things are references or in-jokes I don't get. I want to understand those interactions better.

I'm a bit sad if they won't be vlogging from Russia. I'm enjoying traveling vicariously through them while comfortably tucked in at home with my cat.
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So, I know they’re attached at the brain, but does Dan taking a social media break mean Phil is? Or...
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rizzo wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:41 pm So, I know they’re attached at the brain, but does Dan taking a social media break mean Phil is? Or...
I'm more inclined to say they're actually just traveling. Though if we go a full 24 hours and nada from Phil I'll rethink that.
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Honestly, on days when I’m breaking down, it would be nice to have such an influx of content like we got yesterday and the day prior. But I have a feeling these few days are actually a much needed break for both of them instead of just Dan, they looked kinda exhausted most of the time tbh. If I were either of them rn I’d definitely not even want to touch any social media. I hope this detox helps them both

What are some content that makes you guys smile every time you see it? I’ve just been watching the Blindfolded Cat Drawing and the Bean-Boozled thing from the same session over and over and I need smth else
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yeetussy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:58 pm Honestly, on days when I’m breaking down, it would be nice to have such an influx of content like we got yesterday and the day prior. But I have a feeling these few days are actually a much needed break for both of them instead of just Dan, they looked kinda exhausted most of the time tbh. If I were either of them rn I’d definitely not even want to touch any social media. I hope this detox helps them both

What are some content that makes you guys smile every time you see it? I’ve just been watching the Blindfolded Cat Drawing and the Bean-Boozled thing from the same session over and over and I need smth else
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also, i'm not saying it'll happen because it won't but if Dan drops a video mid 'social media break' i'll die
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