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Lurktacularr wrote:Is it weird that I wanna see deppy driving because I think I'd find it attractive?

Terrifying, more like, judging by the evidence! To be fair though, automatics can be tricky to park, especially if you're used to manual cars... totally not projecting here, oh no. Sneezing whilst parking and hitting the accelerator instead of the brake is also v. bad and not at all recommended...!

phamnotof wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote:Edit - never knew details about that stalking thing. Good on Dan for refusing a pic with her. Fucking embarrassing, reminds me of that girl who vlogged the whole process of stalking them (too lazy to find a link). Those girls need to do less... so much less.

someone *vlogged* stalking them? oh dear.
(I mean I kinda wanna see that because I love me a good trainwreck, but mostly, )

Yeah some girl vlogged trying to find them when they were in America (I wanna say Chicago?) and they eventually met them at the airport when were on their way home.

Does anyone else remember this? I can't remember enough details to find it. Maybe she took it down... I would if I were her. Then again I wouldn't do it in the first place because I'm not batshit crazy

Also don't feel bad IckleMissMayhem we may as well get something positive out of a fucked up situation: sexy hobbit haired Phil. Thatswhatimtalkinabout. Also lolsame I once stood on my accelerator when I was getting out of my car and it was still turned on. I drive an obnoxious sports car so my eardrums shrivelled into raisins.

Edit Kathrynxjane I'm here for you kid

Lurktacularr wrote: akui they'll pay tax regardless of whether or not they pay dividends as it doesn't affect operating profit. Salaries affect it (i.e. reduce it) but since they're high earners its more tax efficient to do it through dividends. Our different understandings here may come from UK laws being different (you're from Aus right?)

Ohhh that make sense, thanks!
Yeah I'm in Australia, I just started doing an accounting degree.

And yes, deppy driving will be sexy as fuck.

The whole company thing is so confusing especially since Dan chose to run it. He usually seems to be the one to always be in the background of the business side of things. They have Martyn doing the business for their shared merchandise so I would expect him to manage the company (maybe he suggested this). Dan is making a good salary but the majority of his income is similar to Phil's since most of their money is coming from merch, book, and now tour, so why would he start a whole new company under his name and add the gaming channel and pay Phil salary. It puts a difficult lens if we looks through because having Phil as an employee kinda complicates things. Didn't these boys learn not to mix business and pleasure

Dan is paying his daddy's salary

Lurktacularr wrote:
Also don't feel bad IckleMissMayhem we may as well get something positive out of a fucked up situation: sexy hobbit haired Phil. Thatswhatimtalkinabout.

Always an upside, I s'pose! I just wish there wasn't such a negative story behind it...

I wonder if someone were to contact one of the fan channels under Dan's network if they'd know anything about the situation. I quickly checked two of them and saw they monetized clips/vids from Dan so I guess these channels under his network are ones that monetize copyrighted videos.

Technically instead of filing a copyright claim against them, they could demand a cut of whatever those channels would make off their videos. Which I guess may be smart business-wise, but I'm kind of surprised they'd do that if that turns out to be the case. How much money could those fan channels possibly make anyway? I wonder how the earnings are divided (or if they're divided at all). Surely the fan channels would know ?

blueapple_x wrote:I wonder if someone were to contact one of the fan channels under Dan's network if they'd know anything about the situation. I quickly checked two of them and saw they monetized clips/vids from Dan so I guess these channels under his network are ones that monetize copyrighted videos.

Technically instead of filing a copyright claim against them, they could demand a cut of whatever those channels would make off their videos. Which I guess may be smart business-wise, but I'm kind of surprised they'd do that if that turns out to be the case. How much money could those fan channels possibly make anyway? I wonder how the earnings are divided (or if they're divided at all). Surely the fan channels would know ?

I think it was stated a few pages ago that it was a glitch from the website, but I might be wrong

kuensukki wrote:The whole company thing is so confusing especially since Dan chose to run it. He usually seems to be the one to always be in the background of the business side of things. They have Martyn doing the business for their shared merchandise so I would expect him to manage the company (maybe he suggested this). Dan is making a good salary but the majority of his income is similar to Phil's since most of their money is coming from merch, book, and now tour, so why would he start a whole new company under his name and add the gaming channel and pay Phil salary. It puts a difficult lens if we looks through because having Phil as an employee kinda complicates things. Didn't these boys learn not to mix business and pleasure

Dan is paying his daddy's salary

Omg your last sentence cracked me up

I'm actually not so sure Dan make more these days because he uploads less than Phil so their views should be similar on their individual channel every month, if they take the same percentage from channelflip i could say video wise they make similar amount of money? But apparently now Dan makes more cuz he ain't sharing with no one!

Or it could be Dan's percentage on ad revenue is larger cuz he has more subs. Or Phil's percentage is larger if he renewed his contract more recently than Dan.

Lurktacularr wrote:

phamnotof wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote:Edit - never knew details about that stalking thing. Good on Dan for refusing a pic with her. Fucking embarrassing, reminds me of that girl who vlogged the whole process of stalking them (too lazy to find a link). Those girls need to do less... so much less.

someone *vlogged* stalking them? oh dear.
(I mean I kinda wanna see that because I love me a good trainwreck, but mostly, )

Yeah some girl vlogged trying to find them when they were in America (I wanna say Chicago?) and they eventually met them at the airport when were on their way home.

Does anyone else remember this? I can't remember enough details to find it. Maybe she took it down... I would if I were her. Then again I wouldn't do it in the first place because I'm not batshit crazy

This is the video... it is VERY cringe :wtf:

Ticia wrote:

blueapple_x wrote:I wonder if someone were to contact one of the fan channels under Dan's network if they'd know anything about the situation. I quickly checked two of them and saw they monetized clips/vids from Dan so I guess these channels under his network are ones that monetize copyrighted videos.

Technically instead of filing a copyright claim against them, they could demand a cut of whatever those channels would make off their videos. Which I guess may be smart business-wise, but I'm kind of surprised they'd do that if that turns out to be the case. How much money could those fan channels possibly make anyway? I wonder how the earnings are divided (or if they're divided at all). Surely the fan channels would know ?

I think it was stated a few pages ago that it was a glitch from the website, but I might be wrong

I checked the source code for one of the copyrighted videos and danhowell ltd shows up when you ctrl+F. Since youtube recognizes the videos as Dan's, maybe it automatically puts the views as earnings for Dan without him having to file a copyright claim or do anything? That's pretty cool if that's the case lol. I still wonder if the fan channels know about that though.

i have nothing productive to add but i wanted to say that i have so much respect for them if they are actually leaving channelflip and managing themselves, they do a lot more by themselves than most youtubers already, i'm guessing it's a lot of work, are there any major youtubers doing something like that already? (i know about the felix thing, but it's not exactly the same is it?) i can totally see them and martyn owning a successful talent management company in a few years

akui wrote:

kuensukki wrote:The whole company thing is so confusing especially since Dan chose to run it. He usually seems to be the one to always be in the background of the business side of things. They have Martyn doing the business for their shared merchandise so I would expect him to manage the company (maybe he suggested this). Dan is making a good salary but the majority of his income is similar to Phil's since most of their money is coming from merch, book, and now tour, so why would he start a whole new company under his name and add the gaming channel and pay Phil salary. It puts a difficult lens if we looks through because having Phil as an employee kinda complicates things. Didn't these boys learn not to mix business and pleasure

Dan is paying his daddy's salary

Omg your last sentence cracked me up

I'm actually not so sure Dan make more these days because he uploads less than Phil so their views should be similar on their individual channel every month, if they take the same percentage from channelflip i could say video wise they make similar amount of money? But apparently now Dan makes more cuz he ain't sharing with no one!

Or it could be Dan's percentage on ad revenue is larger cuz he has more subs. Or Phil's percentage is larger if he renewed his contract more recently than Dan.

I was looking at the views and apprently phil in 2015 (with postin more videos) had a higher view count so I'm guessing they make the same. Even when we take in ads etc the discrepancy isn't large since most of the real money is coming from joint branding. I'm positive phil is in on this deal. He is always the mastermind behind the business side of things and monopolizing the most out of everything they make. Since they both have equal responsibility of DAPG than it should have been under their IRL company Martyn owns instead of giving Dan full rights? It must be consensual but why give it to dan who is younger, a bit less organized (trusting phil to the the tour back stage planning) full claim financially of their very successful joint channel? They are both up to something, and I want to find out what

trashqueen wrote:i have nothing productive to add but i wanted to say that i have so much respect for them if they are actually leaving channelflip and managing themselves, they do a lot more by themselves than most youtubers already, i'm guessing it's a lot of work, are there any major youtubers doing something like that already? (i know about the felix thing, but it's not exactly the same is it?) i can totally see them and martyn owning a successful talent management company in a few years

I agree that it would be really cool. I do assume though that it means even more work for them. They do like being busy. They are control freaks, and don't want to give out control, so it does make sense for them to just manage themselves.

akui wrote:

kuensukki wrote:The whole company thing is so confusing especially since Dan chose to run it. He usually seems to be the one to always be in the background of the business side of things. They have Martyn doing the business for their shared merchandise so I would expect him to manage the company (maybe he suggested this). Dan is making a good salary but the majority of his income is similar to Phil's since most of their money is coming from merch, book, and now tour, so why would he start a whole new company under his name and add the gaming channel and pay Phil salary. It puts a difficult lens if we looks through because having Phil as an employee kinda complicates things. Didn't these boys learn not to mix business and pleasure

Dan is paying his daddy's salary

Omg your last sentence cracked me up

I'm actually not so sure Dan make more these days because he uploads less than Phil so their views should be similar on their individual channel every month, if they take the same percentage from channelflip i could say video wise they make similar amount of money? But apparently now Dan makes more cuz he ain't sharing with no one!

Or it could be Dan's percentage on ad revenue is larger cuz he has more subs. Or Phil's percentage is larger if he renewed his contract more recently than Dan.

I mean, if I was gonna be really obnoxious about it, I'd say they stopped deviding their money a nice while ago...

But they did also start Dan and Phil Productions Limited at the same time they started Tatinof Limited (oct. 2015) - so maybe they'll eventually move everything to the former? Idk. It's confusing. Business stuff is entirely beyond my grasp. Maybe they're having the AP channel be their connection to ChannelFlip, there are benefits to having a big umbrella company as well, they can connect you to a lot of advertisers and crap & it would seem that Phil's usually the one to handle those deals. Idk.

On the topic of networks and what they do:
(Jenna Marbles and Julien did a podcast on the topic)

They start with the topic at 10:20

Maybe Dan's new status isn't a big business venture, since channelflip wasn't doing much except taking their money anyway?
And he could still work with them for spons, without being signed to them.
And they are probably still managed by flipside, right? We haven't heard anything that indicates they have left their management too, have we?

I think a lot of people keep mixing up MCNs and management. (Although the line is blurry for me, what do i know)

faerietales wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote:

phamnotof wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote:Edit - never knew details about that stalking thing. Good on Dan for refusing a pic with her. Fucking embarrassing, reminds me of that girl who vlogged the whole process of stalking them (too lazy to find a link). Those girls need to do less... so much less.

someone *vlogged* stalking them? oh dear.
(I mean I kinda wanna see that because I love me a good trainwreck, but mostly, )

Yeah some girl vlogged trying to find them when they were in America (I wanna say Chicago?) and they eventually met them at the airport when were on their way home.

Does anyone else remember this? I can't remember enough details to find it. Maybe she took it down... I would if I were her. Then again I wouldn't do it in the first place because I'm not batshit crazy

This is the video... it is VERY cringe :wtf:

Thaaaat's the one. Jfc girls reign it all the way in. If you're old enough to drive yourself around to be able to pull that kind of shit, you're old enough to be held accountable and can't get a get-out-of-jail-free card for being too young to know where the line is. Anyway I'm pretty sure we hacked that conversation to death back over on The Dictatorship Dot Com so I'll leave it there - just reminded me of how fucked up that was.

kuensukki totally agree they're up to something and I wanna know what cos I feel like its gonna be some power couple gold. No chance is it random/unplanned that they've stuck DAPG under Dan's company and I wouldn't assume Phil's a passive by-stander in this arrangement.

I'm not saying he's the brains of the operation... but he's the brains of the operation. Dan's just as smart imo but seems to prefer to expend his mental capacity on pondering the great questions of our universe... Phil's more 'don't really give a shit why we're here but while we are i'm getting that bank fam'

Lurktacularr wrote:I'm not saying he's the brains of the operation... but he's the brains of the operation. Dan's just as smart imo but seems to prefer to expend his mental capacity on pondering the great questions of our universe... Phil's more 'don't really give a shit why we're here but while we are i'm getting that bank fam'

Lurktacularr wrote: kuensukki totally agree they're up to something and I wanna know what cos I feel like its gonna be some power couple gold. No chance is it random/unplanned that they've stuck DAPG under Dan's company and I wouldn't assume Phil's a passive by-stander in this arrangement.

I'm not saying he's the brains of the operation... but he's the brains of the operation. Dan's just as smart imo but seems to prefer to expend his mental capacity on pondering the great questions of our universe... Phil's more 'don't really give a shit why we're here but while we are i'm getting that bank fam'

Totally agree with this. Phil is always on it when it comes to the business side of it all, so I can't believe that they are not plotting something together.

wtfamidoinghere wrote:On the topic of networks and what they do:
(Jenna Marbles and Julien did a podcast on the topic)

They start with the topic at 10:20

Maybe Dan's new status isn't a big business venture, since channelflip wasn't doing much except taking their money anyway?
And he could still work with them for spons, without being signed to them.
And they are probably still managed by flipside, right? We haven't heard anything that indicates they have left their management too, have we?

I think a lot of people keep mixing up MCNs and management. (Although the line is blurry for me, what do i know)

Thanks for posting this video!

I don't think they'd leave flipside just yet. Maybe in the future, but not yet. They're probably still useful to D+P for finding opportunities for them.

EDIT: Based on what Jenna said in the vid around 11:40, MCN also find brand deals/outside opportunities for youtubers to get paid. So they're essentially doing the same as talent management companies (FlipSide) with that aspect, but maybe MCNs directly take more money from youtubers since they get a cut of the adsense money.

I haven't finish reading the last 2 pages but I wanna say something.

The limit size you can use is 50 now, 50 and up, I'm gonna be blind trying to read those tiny letters.

smh

Lurktacularr wrote:

phamnotof wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote:Edit - never knew details about that stalking thing. Good on Dan for refusing a pic with her. Fucking embarrassing, reminds me of that girl who vlogged the whole process of stalking them (too lazy to find a link). Those girls need to do less... so much less.

someone *vlogged* stalking them? oh dear.
(I mean I kinda wanna see that because I love me a good trainwreck, but mostly, )

Yeah some girl vlogged trying to find them when they were in America (I wanna say Chicago?) and they eventually met them at the airport when were on their way home.

Does anyone else remember this? I can't remember enough details to find it. Maybe she took it down... I would if I were her. Then again I wouldn't do it in the first place because I'm not batshit crazy

This is why I always find it laughable when people claim that it would be possible for either of them to be going on dates secretly/hiding a significant other...this fandom is full of the biggest stalkers I have ever encountered. They can't do anything without someone finding out. If the Phandom can find out the exact hotel rooms they stay in and pinpoint which country they are in from a picture of an insect, the prospect of 'secret girlfriends' seems pretty ludicrous to me.
Also, you guys are all good writers, I mean that seriously.

Here's the full, unedited picture of Phil in Cyprus.


apparently I named it "2014 cyprus fan stalker photo daddy phil" lmaoooo

And here's a random Phil fact from the radio show (13:57):

Phil likes to delve into the past and has a memories box, a giant shoe box where he puts memories. He once found a note in it he had saved from his college dorm mate. The note was saying:

“Hi Phil. Do not steal my milk again. I was watching you. Thanks, xxx.”

Phil admits he was “a bit of a milk stealer.”

kuensukki, they have IRL Digital, which Martyn, Phil and Dan owns equal share, and they are all directors, Dan and Phil Production and Tatinof limitedowned by Deppy, Dan Howell limited which solely owned by Dan, and Phil has AmazingPhil limited. I would make most sense if DAPG is under DNP Production.

phamnotof, idk if they need channelflip tbh, from what i can see they don't do much shit except for giving deppy crappy spon on the gaming channel. But if they do need an umbrella company couldn't it make more sense if they keep DAPG under channelflip? Since it has both of them? And if Dan left and Phil stayed, how did Dan managed to take DAPG? If I'm channelflip i will fight him on this, unless Phil also made it clear he won't renew the contract.

Btw what if the crunchyroll spon was channelflip forced Dan to do and it made him unhappy so he decided to take his channel and leave?

wtfamidoinghere, i think they are still under flipside, their work email on youtube is still the flipside one.

bedhead91 wrote: This is why I always find it laughable when people claim that it would be possible for either of them to be going on dates secretly/hiding a significant other...this fandom is full of the biggest stalkers I have ever encountered. They can't do anything without someone finding out. If the Phandom can find out the exact hotel rooms they stay in and pinpoint which country they are in from a picture of an insect, the prospect of 'secret girlfriends' seems pretty ludicrous to me.

Same. I mean it could happen, but in my mind that percentage is really tiny. I just don't see how it would work.

felucca wrote:Here's the full, unedited picture of Phil in Cyprus.

apparently I named it "2014 cyprus fan stalker photo daddy phil" lmaoooo

That caption is great, it really sums it up well I feel.

i find it slightly conforting phils a bad driver becase im a terrible driver myself haha i wonder if it was automatic or manual.

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