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Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:30 pm**

Kathrynxjane wrote:
danphil333 wrote:
how many kpop react videos do you need in your life?
0.20 seconds in and phil is so over it
Ugh
Not even going to bother watching unless someone says it is good.

Well, we did get Phil admitting he's not going to listen to K-pop, that it only happens when they film with the Fine bros.

And oddly enough, Dan pointed out one of the groups had the whole pastel thing "on point". Does this mean the pastel edits will get more traction?

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:34 pm**

Kathrynxjane wrote:
danphil333 wrote:
how many kpop react videos do you need in your life?
0.20 seconds in and phil is so over it
Ugh
Not even going to bother watching unless someone says it is good.

Ugh indeed. I just watched it, but don't really recommend you do so as well. Won't be missing much.

Phil's reaction at 20 seconds in was great, he is over it and so am I.
Also liked Phil admitting that kpop just isn't for him and he won't go and listen to it.

Totally agree with Phil that the third one was the worst one, just terrible really.
Agree with Deppy that the lyrics were pretty crap. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Them sitting so close together in the beginning was nice though.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:38 pm**

I'm happy Phil was bolder with the opinions on this one but I'm getting bored of watching people react to kpop and either finding it weird or loving it or pretending to love it. The only react videos I don't mind them having a million versions of is the try not to laugh videos when they have some good stuff.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:40 pm**

Is it just me or do D+P get little camera time compared to other youtubers in most youtubers reacts? Might just be because I only watch it for them but I feel like Swoozie, Emma Blackery and others tend to have longer remarks included. Also might just be because D+P don't say anything interesting but sometimes their interesting comments are in the Extras, e.g. Dan's comment about k-pop being manufactured in one of the previous kpop vids

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:42 pm**

Lurktacularr wrote: Oh and edit do they really only get like $2k for a 2m vid?? Surely its way more than that or smaller youtubers wouldn't be making a living?

[offtopic]Tomska made a video explaining youtube ad money where he explains that as his channel gets around 10million views a month he can get a cheque anywhere between £3000 to £10000 from ad revenues in that month.
How much a youtuber gets paid per ad depends on how niche their audience is, as Dan and Phil's audience are mostly teenagers who are also watching everything else on YT they'll likely be somewhere on the bottom end of the pay scale per view. Luckily for them they get enough views that this will still means they make good money.

And based on this I've also wondered how the smaller youtubers manage to have youtube as their primary income source.

If your interested in the topic the video explains the basics. He also made another one explaining sponsor videos.
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Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:46 pm**

SquishPhan wrote:
Phil's reaction at 20 seconds in was great, he is over it and so am I.
Also liked Phil admitting that kpop just isn't for him and he won't go and listen to it.

three years and five episodes later they finally "broke" him. it felt like it was a scream for help from phil. he cant take it any longer... same questions same answers.
just stop making him react to them. have some sympathy for the poor man.

i didnt like any of the react videos this year. NONE.
only good thing from these videos was phils voice. so deep and sexy.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:48 pm**

K-pop react are getting bad each video, not that they were good tho, and I didn't like any of the songs the last was so weird.

Phil was so done. I'm with you Phil.

I'll stop procastinating, go study and tomorrow pokemon go video

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:49 pm**

Phil with an actual no-holds-barred opinion. Take cover people, the apocalypse is nigh!!

Neither of them like knowing what the lyrics mean, because it spoils it, and they're often crap. This I can sympathise with. Dan's reactions at 0:40 and 9:41 are brilliant.

But K-Pop again? It says something when half the YTers you're featuring are calling you out for being repetitive...!

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:04 pm**

The react video is crap. Don't even bother watching it. If you want to see Phil looking bored and admitting that he will never watch kpop outside fine bro, the phandom video editors can do the hard work for you. But it was really funny seeing him admit that. That was his cry for help. I also found Dan's explanation on why he no longer keeps up with kpop funny. DAN, you don't need to make bs excuses just to appease the kpop fandom. Just admit that you are just not into kpop any more.

I think because D&P didn't make any animated comments or reaction (they looked so over it.) they didn't have a lot of screen time. They looked so bored that Emma B's reaction looked so over the top when in fact she was just jamming.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:30 pm**

(hello i just made an account and ive never posted)

tbh the K Pop Reaction vid was pretty boring if you're there for D&P but it was worth it just for me to hear Dan mention Yung Lean (even if its was in relation to that korean group being kind of shit) because I've always wanted to somehow introduce him to Yung Lean because its totally his type of music
Yung Lean is basically just some swedish kid who raps about being sad its amazing

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:05 pm**

danphil333 wrote:
SquishPhan wrote:
Phil's reaction at 20 seconds in was great, he is over it and so am I.
Also liked Phil admitting that kpop just isn't for him and he won't go and listen to it.
three years and five episodes later they finally "broke" him. it felt like it was a scream for help from phil. he cant take it any longer... same questions same answers.
just stop making him react to them. have some sympathy for the poor man.

i didnt like any of the react videos this year. NONE.
only good thing from these videos was phils voice. so deep and sexy.

Totally agree, I've found all the reacts this year so boring. It's not just the vids featuring Dan and Phil either, all the fine bros react vids have been boring for the past while. I think they're running out of ideas...

Love that Phil was blunt about not enjoying the Kpop, as a person who also isn't into it I'd be throwing my chair finding out I'd be reacting for the THIRD time. I mean what else is there to say that already hasn't been said before? It's not like the videos they featured were particularly special or unique compared to others seen before.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:00 pm**

Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.

I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?

Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?

Re: Youtubers react:

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:09 pm**

eevee wrote:Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.

I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?

Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?

Re: Youtubers react:

I definitely think part of the phandom is becoming a little obsessed with trying to get D&P to be Super Progressive Gender-Norm-Breaking™. I also understand why people would want to see that from them, but at some point, you have to take a step back. Sometimes people don't consider the fact that just because D&P are against gender norms (from what we've seen), that doesn't mean they're going to be the ones going out there and breaking them.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:12 pm**

eevee wrote:Re: Youtubers react:

This is my exact reaction to nail polish discussions. Dan will paint his nails if he wants to; he won't do it if he doesn't want to. Just look at him constantly straightening his hair even though, when his hair is curly, it's all people can talk about. However, the last thing he wants is it made a big deal out of (like his sexuality), so my guess is that he will do it once (if at all), in a situation that's casual, not attention-seeking, then probably go the route or brush it off. I don't mind being proven wrong, though.

tl;dr: I agree with dizzy, as always.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:29 pm**

I'm feeling really badly for poor Phil, who doesn't have his own trending safe sex hashtag. #takethepillforphil

ISG was good, and I usually hate it! Yawn @ ytr, just like most of you.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:33 pm**

pearshaped34 wrote:
Lurktacularr wrote: Oh and edit do they really only get like $2k for a 2m vid?? Surely its way more than that or smaller youtubers wouldn't be making a living?
[offtopic]Tomska made a video explaining youtube ad money where he explains that as his channel gets around 10million views a month he can get a cheque anywhere between £3000 to £10000 from ad revenues in that month.
How much a youtuber gets paid per ad depends on how niche their audience is, as Dan and Phil's audience are mostly teenagers who are also watching everything else on YT they'll likely be somewhere on the bottom end of the pay scale per view. Luckily for them they get enough views that this will still means they make good money.

And based on this I've also wondered how the smaller youtubers manage to have youtube as their primary income source.

If your interested in the topic the video explains the basics. He also made another one explaining sponsor videos.
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Yes. ^ I was going to recommend these vids. Thanks for posting it. A rough estimate is £1 per mil adult views (a "mil" is 1,000,) and the viewer must have watched the ads to count. Viewers are rated by their demographic, with younger teens and tweens not as valuable to advertisers - thus their view pays less - as older teens, and particularly 18-49 y.o. adults that are assumed to have money and spending authority. The formulas can get complex, but you get the basic idea. Therefore, a video with 2M views could potentially pay £2,000 if the viewers were all adults. If it was mostly younger teens, it would pay significantly less. I said $2,000 in my post because the pound is running like $1.30 now, and a slight down adjustment for teen viewers. The other thing to consider is their talent agency takes a 10-20% cut, and when ChannelFlip (a MCN) was involved, they probably took another 20%. Anyway, taking these numbers in consideration, it's easy to see why #spon is important to bigger YouTubers because it potentially pays them a lot more than a standard vid. I think that there's really only a few YouTubers who really make "bank," (from YouTube alone) or what I would consider a shitton of money - a lot of hype and misconception out there.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:33 pm**

The YouTubers React videos are getting boring but I am all here for Bored, done Phil. I thought I loved sassy Phil but I love fed up Phil even more. If he is going to change his brand he should bring his angry DM personality to the forefront and embrace it.

Also, I used to be really into kpop but it does move way too fast to keep up with so I agree with Dan- unless something really catches my eye or is from one of my faves then I am pretty checked out.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:35 pm**

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I agree with all of this.
Especially with this bit: "I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?"

Because I see it a lot in other fandoms, too. It irks me a bit. Let people express their gender in a way that they're comfortable with. Encouraging is great, and it's great to know that he could paint his nails if he wants to, but it shouldn't get to a point where people are pushing him.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:30 pm**

You know, never is the focus on Dan more pronounced than when we're discussing the potential emotional implications of him maybe doing a video where he might paint his nails sometimes in the future because he hasn't been bitting his nails for a few days.

As far as the actual potential video goes, you know, we'll see. He's good at expressing discomfort in a way that lets those paying attention know. (Remberer Glozelle?) So I think if he super-secretly hates the idea of doing the thing he'll be doing mostly because, as was pointed out, he kept answering questions about it and never said he doesn't want to do & therefore kept increasing demand for it... *Oh, well*, you know?

(Just remember the amount of times his second to last ls was spammed with "what the hell even is your sexuality" questions. He's capable of avoiding stuff if he really wants to.)

Also, like, doing what your audience wants you to is kinda a part of their job? It's meeting demand. Like, we want them to do Undertale again, too, and there'd be a hell to pay if they didn't - so at this point, we can hardly know how they feel about it. They might hate doing it, might think it's too hard with all the voices and editing and relatively low views, and yet - people who interact with them the most got hooked. It's a smaller scale with the nail polish stuff, but a similar line of just your basic rules of the game. Reading your audience and figuring out what they might enjoy is just relatively reasonable, imo, like the sort of market testing they did with the pastel edits idea.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:56 pm**

lilMango wrote:
eevee wrote:Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.

I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?

Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?

Re: Youtubers react:

I agree with all of this.
Especially with this bit: "I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?"

Because I see it a lot in other fandoms, too. It irks me a bit. Let people express their gender in a way that they're comfortable with. Encouraging is great, and it's great to know that he could paint his nails if he wants to, but it shouldn't get to a point where people are pushing him.

Both of you.

I'm getting to the point where I am SO done with the demands for them (though mainly Dan, lbr) to do this, that, or the other. I’m so sick of it all to the point I kind of just want to yell “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL JUST LAY OFF THE POOR GUY!!!” Two very good examples being the "paint your nails" thing and "pastel edits." I audibly groaned when Dan mentioned the "P-word" in the YTR tonight - though I'll admit that was partly because of all the interesting things they could have edited in, they chose to include THAT?!

Yes, people want positive role models/representation. That's natural. But doesn't it become somewhat completely valueless if it's only happening to appease a baying mob, and not, say, something the person concerned is doing of their own volition? If you want someone who represents you, go find a person who does that already. Don't try to mould someone else into acting/dressing/living their life to suit someone else's wishes.

Actually, I'll go a bit further, call it another form of fanbaiting, and put that on the same list as ship/queerbaiting for things I really don't want to see/have confirmed.

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:04 am**

Dan is a 25 year old man who is fully capable of making his own decisions. if he decides to paint his nails I'm sure it will be out of his own curiosity and want to and not because a few people on younow said it would make him look pretty.

sorry if I seem really blunt and grumpy, I was at sitc all weekend and I'm so exhausted mental health wise and trying to catch up and reading a bunch of people feeling sorry for someone being 'pressured' into something he hasn't even done is unnecessarily annoying me

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:18 am**

bluewho wrote:Re: Jack and Dean
fancybum wrote:I've pinpointed the main issue (for me): they're two straight dudes making a joke of two probable not-straight dudes.
Exactly. And not for the first time. I've hated them since this at 10:29 and 11:05:
Something about their comment that they 'gay it up for views' just rubs me up the wrong way big time. For two straight guys to talk about pretending to be homosexual to get views as if homosexuality is just something you can poke fun at and fetishize for manipulative capitalist purposes??

Well this was pretty disgusting. And their lovely comments on people who are now their own fans

The amount I know about J&D you could fit into a thimble but I didn't think they were at this level. I would've hoped, given this video was in 2012, they would've matured somewhat since then but given recent events, that is clearly not the case.

I thought the ISG was funny, on an ISG scale I guess? As good as can be expected for a format we are all clearly bored with. I'm foaming at the mouth for some old school DANectoes on dinof, the last one we got was three months ago with Louise (because that sadassed exams video doesn't count Dan, cmon). At least Phil has some classic AP-style stuff up recently with the houseplant vid. But, happy to hear we have Pokemon Go coming soon.

Actually I'm hoping that they'll just change their YT banners and icons at some point before the end of this century.

Philena wrote:I'm feeling really badly for poor Phil, who doesn't have his own trending safe sex hashtag. #takethepillforphil

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:21 am**

IckleMissMayhem wrote:
lilMango wrote:
eevee wrote:Re: nail polish. Will everyone who pushed for Dan to paint his nails actually feel satisfaction when or if he does it? It’s a good point that Dan probably will be doing it because he actually wants to, but on the flip side, there’s literally no way for him to do it now without acknowledging that the fans really want him to do it. In other words there’s no way anymore for him to do it independently of the fan’s demanding it since he’s well aware that it’s something a lot of people want. So therefore there will certainly be some influence by the fans. Now the fans wanting him to do it can either influence him to not want to paint them or influence him to paint them. I honestly don’t think he’s able to completely ignore it. Yes he chooses to read out those messages but perhaps that’s because of the sheer number of them. I feel like at this point, if Dan painted his nails, I would have no way of knowing if he actually wanted to do it or not, because the fans have made it such a big deal. If I had advocated for it, I wouldn’t feel satisfaction once he did it, because I would know I influenced it at least a little bit. If I wanted Dan to do something, I’d wait for him to choose to do it on his own.

I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?

Tl;dr The fans want him to break gender norms, but will they really be happy once he does if it’s only to appease them?

Re: Youtubers react:

I agree with all of this.
Especially with this bit: "I think pressuring someone to express gender a certain way isn't cool, whether it be within a norm or not. I understand the desire for Dan to break gender norms, or anyone for that matter, gender roles are harmful, but don't you think it's also a little harmful to strongly encourage someone to express gender a way you want to see them express it?"

Because I see it a lot in other fandoms, too. It irks me a bit. Let people express their gender in a way that they're comfortable with. Encouraging is great, and it's great to know that he could paint his nails if he wants to, but it shouldn't get to a point where people are pushing him.
Both of you.

I'm getting to the point where I am SO done with the demands for them (though mainly Dan, lbr) to do this, that, or the other. I’m so sick of it all to the point I kind of just want to yell “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WILL YOU ALL JUST LAY OFF THE POOR GUY!!!” Two very good examples being the "paint your nails" thing and "pastel edits." I audibly groaned when Dan mentioned the "P-word" in the YTR tonight - though I'll admit that was partly because of all the interesting things they could have edited in, they chose to include THAT?!

Yes, people want positive role models/representation. That's natural. But doesn't it become somewhat completely valueless if it's only happening to appease a baying mob, and not, say, something the person concerned is doing of their own volition? If you want someone who represents you, go find a person who does that already. Don't try to mould someone else into acting/dressing/living their life to suit someone else's wishes.

Actually, I'll go a bit further, call it another form of fanbaiting, and put that on the same list as ship/queerbaiting for things I really don't want to see/have confirmed.

Yes to all of this!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:28 am**

I rolled my eyes as soon as I saw the react vid title, the fine bros get all these youtubers from different cities/countries and make them watch the same kind of thing every year and that's just so damn annoying when there are literally a million topics/news they can get them to watch!

I do wonder if perhaps youtubers or their management ask to be excluded from certain topics, like banning certain type of discussions? I really can't believe how they miss on getting opinions about something else.

The only good side of this vid was Phil's "I'm so done with this shit" face throughout the whole thing. I really feel for him as it sucks when someone forces you to listen to something you don't like.

re: nail polish

I wouldn't want representation on something if it's so damn forced as well. I'm sure they don't mind painting their nails by how they've acted when asked that question so their "don't really care either way" is more than enough for me.

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:04 am**

i wish i was subbed to phil so i could unsub them BOTH over insulting keith ape and okasian #killerwhales korean hip hop is way too big of a scene and is way too complex to be given one video to a group of people to laugh over like shit we get it you don't like it and don't get it because is 5% different from what you usually see, calm down jeremy. tbh the same goes for korean music as a whole, gtf with this UGH MORE KPOP like bein from the same country makes it all the same
isg is one of my fave YouTube series so I watche and enjoyed despite not even making it through the last dapg video, hence the lack of posts. im just quickly losing all interest in them and theres nothing really keeping me to them now

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