Dan & Phil Part 37: A better way to live

[trashqueen]

I still support the theory that the two of them get high and draft their tweets in January to plan out the rest of the year. This is such a quintessential Phil tweet, it's timeless, ageless. Bland enough to be friendly and relatable but without giving away any personal information or location, he could be anywhere right now. What country could he be in? Could this even be Phil tweeting or has he been abducted and new impersonated? Who knows.

i want someone to write that fic

[secretagentphan]

Old Phil videos always had a dark subtle David Lynch-y (one of my favorite directors) vibe to them and I absolutely LOVED IT. I hope he brings a little of that back in future projects. I'd love to see a Phil movie because of this. I think it'd have the potential to be fantastic. I need Director!Phil in my life right now.

I've always loved the subtle dark vibes of Phil's old videos, a movie that he made? SIGN ME UP.

YES! He seems to be able to use surrealism with a dark underlying tone to it that makes it amazingly creepy. He loves horror movies so I'd love to see a bit of that influence.

[SquishPhan]

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does. The creative projects he made with little financial backing were so fun, like the interactive adventure stories. For some reason it just really occurred to me that this is probably the first time since 2012 that either of them have had just abundant time for whatever they want. 2013-2014 was a weekly radio show, late 2014-2016 would have been dominated by book/tour/movie. No wonder he's excited. I can't wait to see what Phil - four years older, with a lot more experience, and ability to put more production value in - can do.

Yeah I'm really excited to see what Phil has got in store for us. Hope it is good.

I saw these gifs on Tumblr and Dan and Phil's faces are so perfect that I just had to share.

(gif source / link to post: wallflowerchronicles)

The first two gifs seriously give me life. What a great response (from both of them) to a bs heteronormative claim like "girls like hot boys and hot boys like pretty girls"

Just look at the disdain on Phil's face. Glorious. I think this counts as Phil priss face.

And then Dan is just like "r u kidding me wtf"

It's from the "A Guide to Vlogging Panel" from Vidcon 2014, at 7:26:

These gifs are great. Never noticed this before, but now love Phil's priss face.

[fringechecks]

And the tags on his tumblr post: #my shins #so much pain #it was all going smoothly until it suddenly wasn't

Phil's rubbing off on him.

yh phil rly is rubbing off on him lol

[fringechecks]

-accidental double post pls delete-

[fringechecks]

He's been explicitly teasing about them so i'm expecting he already has tons of ideas, just not a way to properly funnel them into a format!! Im thirsty for a Phil movie or something he writes and directs. I chanced upon an old interview of his where he talks about how his biggest dream would be to direct a movie



1:27: "I'd really like to direct and write my own Phil where money was no object so I'd be the most amazing film you've even seen"

other favorites parts:

2:01 Favorite thing to eat in morning? "I like toast" Oh, so i see his pancake obsession manifested later in his development

2:42 "videos have become a routine, if I dont make a video in a week I'm like video video" BETCHHHHHH what happened?? (jk I still love you but little Phil was a bit more comfortable with a schedule) Dan stop rubbing on him But he also said he'd still be making videos/be on yt and he is so Im happy for that!!

3:37 "with tv I was on quiz show and in movie I was play a part so I wasn't being myself.. I prefer to be myself..if I'm appearing anywhere"

3:52 "I dont think I'm a good actor" HMMMM...*sips tea*

He seemed very casual and chill in this interview but also had those pauses when he tried to inflect and make himself sound different/more interesting which I think was more common back in the day. It's still one of my faves because he is so small and cuddly in it

Other oldschool faves that I recommend (because they're so weird/creative but also give insight on his relationship with friends and how much they were willing to do to entertain his hobby) are:

Awaiting the Tide: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... nplR0JSMEk

The Game:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... ldXME44Y00

My First Videos: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cNK ... ktCVEVHWWM

I really miss Phil's old creative videos, it's a shame he sorta stopped making them. He's quite a creative guy, his channel's always had that 'film director vibe' so I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

I wonder who had more control over creating TATINOF, Dan or Phil? It'd be nice to know who had more input on the team of people creating sets/props/etc etc, if you get what I mean?

[kuensukki]

I think both dan and phil influenced the actual stage show TATINOF and had the director Ed give them cues on what to say and do. Some portions were inspired by dan others by phil but we know phil did request for his magic show and dan wanted the song. (All included in the documentary "Making of Tatinof")

For the creation of the documentary phil did refer to it as his "baby" but I think they both filmed bits and pieces that then got sent to a professional editor to clean it up. Ngl some of the editing was a bit kiddish and cringey like the llama noises and lion roars so it looks like it came from someone who "tried" to understand their content/audience (and failed imo). I''m sure they also had some degree of control over the editing and maybe did help with busgate and other things.

[anathema]

Didn't like the Happy Wheels video, for the same reasons other people have said. Between general distaste for them playing up Felix like him being problematic just something you have to laugh over, and queasiness over the casual manged-bodies-and-exaggerated-gore feel to the game, it is the first DAPG video in a while that I have no desire to ever watch again. (I do see the argument about how it might not have been them giving Felix a pass, but I still can't hear Dan's voice as anything but fondly exasperated when he calls Felix 'problematic dad.') I can catch the isolated cute moments in gif form on tumblr if I need to.

I think the "dad" part of it is what bothered me the most. If he had said something like "problematic youtuber" then I feel like it would've gotten a slightly different reaction. But when people call famous people their "dads" it's because they like them. It's almost become some sort of weird term of endearment for fans to call the male celebrities they like and/or look up to. So when Dan called him "everyone's favorite problematic dad" it had a much different connotation than it would've had if he had said "youtuber/person/whatever".

I keep thinking about Phil saying he can't sleep because his mind is so creatively wired right now. I am so, so interested to see what he does.

Now I'm just imagining Phil lying in bed and then getting an idea so he turns over and shakes Dan awake and is like "Dan listen to this idea" and Dan's just like "shut the fuck up Phil it's four in the morning"

[000dia000]

I think both dan and phil influenced the actual stage show TATINOF and had the director Ed give them cues on what to say and do. Some portions were inspired by dan others by phil but we know phil did request for his magic show and dan wanted the song. (All included in the documentary "Making of Tatinof")

For the creation of the documentary phil did refer to it as his "baby" but I think they both filmed bits and pieces that then got sent to a professional editor to clean it up. Ngl some of the editing was a bit kiddish and cringey like the llama noises and lion roars so it looks like it came from someone who "tried" to understand their content/audience (and failed imo). I''m sure they also had some degree of control over the editing and maybe did help with busgate and other things.

Yeah, I felt some of the editing was extremely cheesy and terrible. Done with no real respect given towards the audience and was kind of condescending. One moment that comes to mind is how they played up the "straight guy and weird guy" shtick in the scene in the diner, where Phil does something odd and it cuts to a close up of Dan's face saying "This guy".

[fringechecks]

I think both dan and phil influenced the actual stage show TATINOF and had the director Ed give them cues on what to say and do. Some portions were inspired by dan others by phil but we know phil did request for his magic show and dan wanted the song. (All included in the documentary "Making of Tatinof")

For the creation of the documentary phil did refer to it as his "baby" but I think they both filmed bits and pieces that then got sent to a professional editor to clean it up. Ngl some of the editing was a bit kiddish and cringey like the llama noises and lion roars so it looks like it came from someone who "tried" to understand their content/audience (and failed imo). I''m sure they also had some degree of control over the editing and maybe did help with busgate and other things.

I though that too. The director obviously gives them cues, isn't that what their job is for? I imagine that was the case, but I didn't get around to watching the documentary (mainly because I would feel bad for watching it/reading a transcript without paying for it and I don't have the money, lol).

Didn't they remove Phil's cape in the US/AUS of the tour? For the magic show, Phil had a cape in the UK version. Not sure if they removed it for health and safety reasons, I don't know.

Phil refers to quite a few things as his baby, so it could just be his way of speaking. I agree that the 'professional editor' was quite kiddish, trying to understand what the phandom/Dan and Phil's branding was with no prior knowledge can be quite challenging, though. I guess he saw how they were making fun of their old branding, thought it was their branding now and assumed they cater mainly to 7 year olds. Shame.

[anathema]

Didn't they remove Phil's cape in the US/AUS of the tour? For the magic show, Phil had a cape in the UK version. Not sure if they removed it for health and safety reasons, I don't know.

He didn't have a cape but he did have a shiny jacket. I would imagine they removed it just because it was a hassle and/or Phil didn't like it for whatever reason. Can't imagine it would be a safety hazard unless Phil almost choked himself with it every time he took it off

[lurker]

movie date night confirmed?

[000dia000]

movie date night confirmed?

Maybe Manchester By the Sea ?

[kuensukki]

movie date night confirmed?

Maybe Manchester By the Sea ?

BUTTTT..... I can totally see that being next on the list just for the memories ya know. Maybe Phil will mess up and tell us about it again. And those supposed Hamilton tickets that will most probably be given to Phil on his birthday

[mermaid blood]

can't take credit for this, it was in the comments under the video-

at 16.35ish in Happy Wheels, what is the white object that darts from the games board in the background propped against the wall to the direction of the door???

if they move house and say it's because it was haunted i will die. (happily, i love paranormal mysteries). probs the mouse problem is back again, though.

[Ticia]

can't take credit for this, it was in the comments under the video-

at 16.35ish in Happy Wheels, what is the white object that darts from the games board in the background propped against the wall to the direction of the door???

if they move house and say it's because it was haunted i will die. (happily, i love paranormal mysteries). probs the mouse problem is back again, though.

You can't see it quite well in these pics unless you zoom in, so it's best to replay those seconds at 0.25x. Next to the wooden board:





I assumed it was some dust in the camera lens, but it could perfectly be a mouse.

[Elemancy]

I think both dan and phil influenced the actual stage show TATINOF and had the director Ed give them cues on what to say and do. Some portions were inspired by dan others by phil but we know phil did request for his magic show and dan wanted the song. (All included in the documentary "Making of Tatinof")

For the creation of the documentary phil did refer to it as his "baby" but I think they both filmed bits and pieces that then got sent to a professional editor to clean it up. Ngl some of the editing was a bit kiddish and cringey like the llama noises and lion roars so it looks like it came from someone who "tried" to understand their content/audience (and failed imo). I''m sure they also had some degree of control over the editing and maybe did help with busgate and other things.

I though that too. The director obviously gives them cues, isn't that what their job is for? I imagine that was the case, but I didn't get around to watching the documentary (mainly because I would feel bad for watching it/reading a transcript without paying for it and I don't have the money, lol).

Didn't they remove Phil's cape in the US/AUS of the tour? For the magic show, Phil had a cape in the UK version. Not sure if they removed it for health and safety reasons, I don't know.

Phil refers to quite a few things as his baby, so it could just be his way of speaking. I agree that the 'professional editor' was quite kiddish, trying to understand what the phandom/Dan and Phil's branding was with no prior knowledge can be quite challenging, though. I guess he saw how they were making fun of their old branding, thought it was their branding now and assumed they cater mainly to 7 year olds. Shame.

For two people who pride themselves on managing every aspect of their creative decisions, to the point of micromanaging the task of personally calling venues to book themselves, I think most of the editing seen in the documentary, less than an unfortunate misunderstanding on the part of a third party, was a concious and deliberate play on the material of the show, which can itself be seen as 'cringey' and 'kiddish' at times, even though its presentation is deliberately manufacured as a tongue in cheek take on the themes they'd both already established in their videos up to that point. Including the lions and llamas as makeshift bumpers in the documentary doesn't necessarily indicate a failure of the editors to understand Dan and Phil's primary intent, but it seems more than anything to follow the path already established by the stage show by including it as a deliberate lighthearted nod to their past and as a fond, exasperating inside joke with viewers who understand-viewers who don't have to be seven years old.

I think in terms of taking on an endeavor as involved as the show was, of course there had to be a certain give and take on both Dan and Phil's parts in creating a story with enough cohesion that could be translated to the stage with all the proper choreography and stage direction that entails, two things which they obviously would know little about to execute successfully on their own without the added input of directors, designers, choreographers, etc. to make that a possibility. However, I don't think either of them sacrificed much by way of executive control over the final product, either to their creative team or to each other, but only conceding certain ideas which may not have flowed well in the context of the show such as Dan's initial attempt at the musical number being scrapped and Dan in turn rejecting the first professional draft of the song until both sides could reach a compromise for something that was still in line with Dan's original idea while still being adaptable as an appealing musical number. The stageshow and the documentary are presented like one seamless collaborative project that logically builds on and follows each other. Whatever appears to be lost in translation seems more of a case of subjective viewer opinion than a fault in miscommunication or an editor who didn't get the internal memo...

but then again, wolfgutscharlie, or Charlie/Elliot, maybe this entire reply to your question is just too 'irrelevant' and 'dumb' for me or anyone else to waste our time posting. Looks like a blood pact groupchat might be more your style.

[zvezdochka]

Re: acknowledging the marches. Y'all are deprived of a good role model entrepreneur. Pushing a like button is not equal to being supportive. It requires literally nothing and changes literally nothing. I'm not expecting activism from D&P, but let's not make such a huge deal out of it. Too much praise for a tweet.

Re: creative control over Tatinof. I'm still bitter they didn't properly credit the crew, making it seem like there was no creative input from stage designer, costume department, etc. However, I have to agree with Gnosia, the editing is probably deliberate.

Also, Tatinof and Story of Tatinof are no longer on PirateBay (KickAss and whatnots). So... how does one completely legally obtain it? Please PM me.

[MoonPride]

can't take credit for this, it was in the comments under the video-

at 16.35ish in Happy Wheels, what is the white object that darts from the games board in the background propped against the wall to the direction of the door???

if they move house and say it's because it was haunted i will die. (happily, i love paranormal mysteries). probs the mouse problem is back again, though.

You can't see it quite well in these pics unless you zoom in, so it's best to replay those seconds at 0.25x. Next to the wooden board:





I assumed it was some dust in the camera lens, but it could perfectly be a mouse.

It looks like a mouse, it moves too fast to be a spec of dust. Dan might need to restuff the hole in his room with a new crisp packet

[000dia000]

Re: acknowledging the marches. Y'all are deprived of a good role model entrepreneur. Pushing a like button is not equal to being supportive. It requires literally nothing and changes literally nothing. I'm not expecting activism from D&P, but let's not make such a huge deal out of it. Too much praise for a tweet.

I think the point was just pointing out the fact that they were acknowledging rather than ghosting it, as they tend to do with these kind of events. And what's wrong with reblogging them? Earlier this week people were discussing their anxiety, particularly Dan's in large crowds. There's no winning sometimes. How about me? I just retweeted stuff about it but didn't attend. I guess I'm scum now.

[papierklemmen]

the mouse: i thought it looked like the "unexplanable phenomenon" that dan zoomed in on in his "dan reacts to his old videos", doesn't really look like an animal to me.
at 2:51


not really visible in the screenshot

[oqua]

"unexplanable phenomenon"

I live for Dan's spelling mistakes.

[zvezdochka]

Re: acknowledging the marches. Y'all are deprived of a good role model entrepreneur. Pushing a like button is not equal to being supportive. It requires literally nothing and changes literally nothing. I'm not expecting activism from D&P, but let's not make such a huge deal out of it. Too much praise for a tweet.

I think the point was just pointing out the fact that they were acknowledging rather than ghosting it, as they tend to do with these kind of events. And what's wrong with reblogging them? Earlier this week people were discussing their anxiety, particularly Dan's in large crowds. There's no winning sometimes. How about me? I just retweeted stuff about it but didn't attend. I guess I'm scum now.

Whoa. Maybe I worded myself too harsh (as per usual ), but I only meant let's not take those tweets as a public display of their political views. Good on them for acknowledging the marches, but imo this forum gave them a little too much praise for an indirect online action, that is a retweet. I dunno, I guess, you and I just have to disagree on what "making a statement" is. No hard feelings, hopefully

[palpable]

A few thoughts on the Felix/pewdiepie situation under the spoiler, because I got some things on my mind I cannot leave unsaid.

Moral nuance,people. Of course it isabsolutely vital for a society to have discussions about morality and it is completely fair to speak up when somebody says or does something that is plain out shite (like the thing felix did)

But I really cannot stand the whole "person did a problematic thing now they are irredeemably bad" kind of thinking. How are we to progress as a society if we just discount someone completely because of something they said in the past? You call someone's mistake out (rightfully so) and demand they apologize but then never forgive.
How does that make any sense? You are not morally pure either, and each and everyone of us has done something morally questionable or will do something morally questionable at some point in their lives.

A callout should move someone to genuinely change their behavior and thoughts and not something to make you feel morally superior and super smug. And then demand that deppy publically ostracize a person because you passed a judgement over the goodness of a person. Ew.

I think we had these discussions about political correctness several times on thia forum and back on gg ( intense lurker for the past two years here ) and I never said anything but it gets me riled up again and again when people think they are these morally pure snowflakes who have the right to pass judgement over a person. And this is coming from a person who is all sjw, intersectional-feminist, lefty trash. People change, dont take tha away from them!

I hope this doesnt come across as too harsh (it probably does) I love this forum and its members, otherwise I wouldnt have stayed around so long. Diversity of opinion is gr8 so I am adding my viewpoint.

Also delete if this is too offtopic

[captainspacecoat]

A few thoughts on the Felix/pewdiepie situation under the spoiler, because I got some things on my mind I cannot leave unsaid.

Moral nuance,people. Of course it isabsolutely vital for a society to have discussions about morality and it is completely fair to speak up when somebody says or does something that is plain out shite (like the thing felix did)

But I really cannot stand the whole "person did a problematic thing now they are irredeemably bad" kind of thinking. How are we to progress as a society if we just discount someone completely because of something they said in the past? You call someone's mistake out (rightfully so) and demand they apologize but then never forgive.
How does that make any sense? You are not morally pure either, and each and everyone of us has done something morally questionable or will do something morally questionable at some point in their lives.

A callout should move someone to genuinely change their behavior and thoughts and not something to make you feel morally superior and super smug. And then demand that deppy publically ostracize a person because you passed a judgement over the goodness of a person. Ew.

I think we had these discussions about political correctness several times on thia forum and back on gg ( intense lurker for the past two years here ) and I never said anything but it gets me riled up again and again when people think they are these morally pure snowflakes who have the right to pass judgement over a person. And this is coming from a person who is all sjw, intersectional-feminist, lefty trash. People change, dont take tha away from them!

I hope this doesnt come across as too harsh (it probably does) I love this forum and its members, otherwise I wouldnt have stayed around so long. Diversity of opinion is gr8 so I am adding my viewpoint.

Also delete if this is too offtopic

Okay but what Felix did isn't really in the past, unless by 'the past' you mean the past few weeks? And he shows no sign of apologising, instead he remains pretty adamant that he's in the right and that the media is spinning the situation to position him as in the wrong. I definitely don't think I'm a "morally pure snowflake", I am constantly learning and challenging myself and trying to be a better person - after all, I'm white and cis so definitely have a lot of work to do with regard to unlearning racism/transphobia. If Felix were to apologise and own up to his behaviour, I would be all for giving him another chance but as it stands he hasn't done that and I'm kind of over excusing racism/homophobia/misogyny/transphobia etc, this is something I'm personally super passionate about given the state of the world right now and I apologise if I've come across as harsh but I really don't think there's much room for nuance when someone makes a video with blatant anti-semitism, especially when there is a literal rise in neo-Nazism in the year 2017.

Again, I never said I'm unstanning Dan and Phil or anything, they barely have anything to do with it, but it is disappointing when youtubers continue to brush off literal racism as just "edgy" or "problematic lol". Definitely not writing them off or anything, I still love them a lot, but I would think that part of having some "nuance" in fandom participation is both celebrating/admiring the people you love and also acknowledging when they do something you disagree with

Also sorry I can't stop dragging this conversation on, and sorry if this comes off as harsh I don't mean it to be