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phamnotof wrote:Oh yeah, they've done challenges with electroshocking devices plenty of times (sorry, on mobile, can't reply properly) - it's just a different context entirely when you turn it into *that* thing. To me, that's basic bro-lemme-show-you-how-I-can-out-bro-you-bro, and they're not even being ironic about it. It's kinda like - D&P've made some good fart jokes, but this video is like, the equivallent of trying to light those farts on fire. It's not like there's anything wrong with it, or with enjoying it, I guess I feel about it the same way I feel about FIFA let's plays - I know they're out there, I know people enjoy them, but they're just not for me. Like it's just that very very "boyz will be boyz" culture that I see no allure in, I guess. I was drawn in by D&P because it makes me very happy that boys who like playing video games together can also be gentle, subtle & have these fascinating boundaries and so much depth for me to depict & overanalyze. And just generally, but that's my weird things, I like that despite being friends with most these people & having things in common with them, they don't feel the need to fit perfectly into that mold of a stereotypical dude bro broing about with his other bros.

I agree with this, as always well-said^
were *very* lucky to become 'relatable' youtubers when the nerd culture became popular (though their so-called un-manliness is not necessarily an attribute of those internet-addicted gaming-loving nerds either). But I doubt they would be able to truthfully brand themselves as bros or anything else if needs be. The timing for their careers on youtube was perfect, and now they are so big they can afford being more or less themselves with all little quirks, which are totally accepted as integral part of them. Though sometimes I catch myself with the thought that, branding aside, they are very unrelatable people (with unrelatable relationships goals).

vincentian wrote:Though sometimes I catch myself with the thought that, branding aside, they are very unrelatable people (with unrelatable relationships goals).

Aren't all YTers though? (well, "successful/well-known" ones, anyway...)

Not that I need the #relatability - I stalk/obsess/watch YTers because they have totally different lives to me.

sweetmm wrote:This is the type of gem I love finding on tumblr; in one of the old ls Phil changed behind the camera not realising the mirror show a reflection of him topless



credit: tam-taro

This is the kind of content I joined the phandom for

[offtopic]What are the best phandom Tumblrs? The keyword search can be a bit overwhelming and repetitive.[/offtopic]

IckleMissMayhem wrote:

vincentian wrote:Though sometimes I catch myself with the thought that, branding aside, they are very unrelatable people (with unrelatable relationships goals).

Aren't all YTers though? (well, "successful/well-known" ones, anyway...)

Not that I need the #relatability - I stalk/obsess/watch YTers because they have totally different lives to me.

Yeah, definitely. But I meant that they were unrelatable even before their huge success, as people. Idk it's vague and may be subjective as everyone’s experiences are different, but there are not many guys outside youtube as phamnotof said

phamnotof wrote:gentle, subtle & have these fascinating boundaries

vincentian wrote:

IckleMissMayhem wrote:

vincentian wrote:Though sometimes I catch myself with the thought that, branding aside, they are very unrelatable people (with unrelatable relationships goals).

Aren't all YTers though? (well, "successful/well-known" ones, anyway...)

Not that I need the #relatability - I stalk/obsess/watch YTers because they have totally different lives to me.

Yeah, definitely. But I meant that they were unrelatable even before their huge success, as people. Idk it's vague and may be subjective as everyone’s experiences are different, but there are not many guys outside youtube as phamnotof said

All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

Didn't realise today was a no-show day. Wonder where they are and what they're up to...

felucca wrote: All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

I know some stereotypical "lads", some guys like AP/DINOF, and some who are a mix of the two. But yes, most of them are less well-off than I imagine to be...!

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Didn't realise today was a no-show day. Wonder where they are and what they're up to...

felucca wrote: All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

I know some stereotypical "lads", some guys like AP/DINOF, and some who are a mix of the two. But yes, most of them are less well-off than I imagine to be...!

I think the difference between Dan and Phil and most guys that 'type' is that they are somehow effortlessly popular while also not really being social butterflies at all. And that definitely comes with fame and being a youtube star, but it gives him a strange aura of confidence in some ways that manages to still work with social awkwardness. It makes me really wonder what they're like - not just a bump into them in the street encounter but if you were actually someone in their social circle. I get the feeling they're aloof, but just shy of offensively aloof. Like... you might be offended that you can't breach their friendship circle but you can't actually find anything bad to say about them besides 'they don't want to be my friend.'

alittledizzy wrote:

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Didn't realise today was a no-show day. Wonder where they are and what they're up to...

felucca wrote: All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

I know some stereotypical "lads", some guys like AP/DINOF, and some who are a mix of the two. But yes, most of them are less well-off than I imagine to be...!

I think the difference between Dan and Phil and most guys that 'type' is that they are somehow effortlessly popular while also not really being social butterflies at all. And that definitely comes with fame and being a youtube star, but it gives him a strange aura of confidence in some ways that manages to still work with social awkwardness. It makes me really wonder what they're like - not just a bump into them in the street encounter but if you were actually someone in their social circle. I get the feeling they're aloof, but just shy of offensively aloof. Like... you might be offended that you can't breach their friendship circle but you can't actually find anything bad to say about them besides 'they don't want to be my friend.'

This^^ so much!

majitzu wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Didn't realise today was a no-show day. Wonder where they are and what they're up to...

felucca wrote: All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

I know some stereotypical "lads", some guys like AP/DINOF, and some who are a mix of the two. But yes, most of them are less well-off than I imagine to be...!

I think the difference between Dan and Phil and most guys that 'type' is that they are somehow effortlessly popular while also not really being social butterflies at all. And that definitely comes with fame and being a youtube star, but it gives him a strange aura of confidence in some ways that manages to still work with social awkwardness. It makes me really wonder what they're like - not just a bump into them in the street encounter but if you were actually someone in their social circle. I get the feeling they're aloof, but just shy of offensively aloof. Like... you might be offended that you can't breach their friendship circle but you can't actually find anything bad to say about them besides 'they don't want to be my friend.'

This^^ so much!

Yes! I see so much of my good guy friends personalities in them. Including my husband. I some how seem to befriend guys who have this problem. I think it is because I find it fun /a challenge to get to know them and they don't really have a choice. Haha. Makes me sound pushy but really it is more like mother/sister relationship. I see someone who is lonely and take them into my "pack". But if I wasn't myself I would not be able to be friends with them because they are so aloof that most people think that they are rude (?). I am a big believer in body language too, and what it says about people. All of these guys give of the same vibes. And I think instinctualy people are drawn away from them just because of how they hold themselves. But that is a whole other discussion. ...

( I hate that I had to write this so fast that I couldn't even check it to make sure it made sense...work is crazy. Monday's are great... :/)

alittledizzy wrote:

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Didn't realise today was a no-show day. Wonder where they are and what they're up to...

felucca wrote: All guys I know in real life are like D&P, so yeah, definitely subjective.

Edit: The guys I know in real life are slightly less rich and famous.

I know some stereotypical "lads", some guys like AP/DINOF, and some who are a mix of the two. But yes, most of them are less well-off than I imagine to be...!

I think the difference between Dan and Phil and most guys that 'type' is that they are somehow effortlessly popular while also not really being social butterflies at all. And that definitely comes with fame and being a youtube star, but it gives him a strange aura of confidence in some ways that manages to still work with social awkwardness. It makes me really wonder what they're like - not just a bump into them in the street encounter but if you were actually someone in their social circle. I get the feeling they're aloof, but just shy of offensively aloof. Like... you might be offended that you can't breach their friendship circle but you can't actually find anything bad to say about them besides 'they don't want to be my friend.'

They're popular enough for people to actively want to befriend them for monetary gain but they're closed off enough that most peoples efforts are in vain. I always don't mind the elitist DP click. Dan expressing his distaste for not wanting To socialize didn't rub me the wrong way. I appreciate the fact that the boys are picky about who they choose to join their circle. Louise and PJ are lucky they got it. With the boys being calculated and careful as to not be manipulated but also being socially awkward it's not surprising that they choose To form more intimate friendships than status ones. It takes a lot for the boys to actually genuinely open up to people and it's something I appreciate about them. What I find more interesting is even though they don't have a lot of social circles they are both adored and respected by all youtubers. No one has anything negative to say about the boys and many youtubers in the past have expressed how they really respect who they are as people. DP rule twitter, tumblr, and make a huge impact on the YouTube world. Everyone realizes that and can respect how far these boys have come to reach this success

personally i think the fear of the massive, intense fanbase is a larger reason for showing adoration for d&p rather than respect for them. half of them cant stand the phandom, arent that interested in d&p and dont make much of an attempt to hide it.

i mean, say what you want, but nothing really puts them above other youtubers other than our personal preference, their knowledge of their fanbase and their interests, and how quick they are to attempt other areas. the tour's great, but there are plenty other measures of success. theyre not really the most ___ in anything, theyre nice but so are most youtubers, and while theyve achieved a lot, other youtubers have achieved just as much but in other areas. if it wasnt for the massive fanbase, theyd have far more shade from other youtubers over stealing ideas to profit from, claiming everyone else is stealing their (basic, already being done) ideas, poor work ethic, elitism and general poor comments etc

its not that theres anything wrong with them - theres just nothing really worth respecting and hyping to that extent. if the phandom was the same size and less ravenous, the praise would shrink. theyre really lucky theyre so good at being involved with the phandom, because its that system of in jokes and replies that set them apart, nothing else

kuensukki wrote: They're popular enough for people to actively want to befriend them for monetary gain but they're closed off enough that most peoples efforts are in vain. I always don't mind the elitist DP click. Dan expressing his distaste for not wanting To socialize didn't rub me the wrong way. I appreciate the fact that the boys are picky about who they choose to join their circle. Louise and PJ are lucky they got it. With the boys being calculated and careful as to not be manipulated but also being socially awkward it's not surprising that they choose To form more intimate friendships than status ones. It takes a lot for the boys to actually genuinely open up to people and it's something I appreciate about them. What I find more interesting is even though they don't have a lot of social circles they are both adored and respected by all youtubers. No one has anything negative to say about the boys and many youtubers in the past have expressed how they really respect who they are as people. DP rule twitter, tumblr, and make a huge impact on the YouTube world. Everyone realizes that and can respect how far these boys have come to reach this success

It's interesting you see most people respect them. For me i don't see people see them that way. True they are respected by some, but not all, most youtubers are just afraid of them.

jaej wrote:If it wasnt for the massive fanbase, theyd have far more shade from other youtubers over stealing ideas to profit from, claiming everyone else is stealing their (basic, already being done) ideas, poor work ethic, elitism and general poor comments etc

care to explain, please?? out of those five things I only get two

fancy_nancy wrote:

jaej wrote:If it wasnt for the massive fanbase, theyd have far more shade from other youtubers over stealing ideas to profit from, claiming everyone else is stealing their (basic, already being done) ideas, poor work ethic, elitism and general poor comments etc

care to explain, please?? out of those five things I only get two

the 7 second challenge is a rip off of a game they played themselves in a liveshow
they go off on challenge videos/buzzfeed/tasting/tag videos a LOT to varying extents and act like they originated anything like that worthy of envy
the poor work ethic is obvious, not many others would get away with that
the elitism has already been addressed (their views on collabs with certain people arent necessarily that bad, but they would get hell for it if they werent them)
the general dodgy comments we notice here and move on with after a few posts would be massive deals on twitter if whoever was annoyed didnt get 40 messages saying they were just jealous or something else that ignores the issue

theyre shielded from pointless drama and things that other youtubers would get hate for unecessarily and that can be explained, like uplooad schedules, but also shielded from things that genuinely arent very professional. i dont think they DESERVE a lot of backlash for this stuff, its just that other people would get it

jaej wrote:personally i think the fear of the massive, intense fanbase is a larger reason for showing adoration for d&p rather than respect for them. half of them cant stand the phandom, arent that interested in d&p and dont make much of an attempt to hide it.

i mean, say what you want, but nothing really puts them above other youtubers other than our personal preference, their knowledge of their fanbase and their interests, and how quick they are to attempt other areas. the tour's great, but there are plenty other measures of success. theyre not really the most ___ in anything, theyre nice but so are most youtubers, and while theyve achieved a lot, other youtubers have achieved just as much but in other areas. if it wasnt for the massive fanbase, theyd have far more shade from other youtubers over stealing ideas to profit from, claiming everyone else is stealing their (basic, already being done) ideas, poor work ethic, elitism and general poor comments etc

its not that theres anything wrong with them - theres just nothing really worth respecting and hyping to that extent. if the phandom was the same size and less ravenous, the praise would shrink. theyre really lucky theyre so good at being involved with the phandom, because its that system of in jokes and replies that set them apart, nothing else

Yeah I agree that while Dan and Phil might very well be lovely people it's not that or the quality of their youtube content that gains them the flocks of praise they get from just about every youtuber going. That's down to the fact it's that it pretty much a universally acknowledged fact amongst youtubers that Dan and Phil's fanbase is a force to be reckoned with and as youtube might as well be a popularity contest they are mostly too smart too want to piss that force off.

Although in the defence of some of the youtubers that praise Dan and Phil I do think in some cases it's just because they are being repeatedly asked about them by the phandom and not that that youtuber has some big agender or is trying to gain views by mentioning them. People are always on other peoples stuff asking about and mentioning Dan and Phil, if other youtubers fanbases did that to everyone as often they'd probably be loads of people saying how much they liked them too.

OT as usual, but I just found this video made by an Australian YouTuber who reacts to videos (he's hilarious if anyone wants to check him out) while I was procrastinating my ass off.

In this certain video, he reacts to an extremely cringe video two girls made and sent to him after he criticised the Janoskians. Now the reason I'm sharing it is because at 1:39 you can see that one of the girls are wearing a llama hat. Yes, it is entirely possible that she isn't phan af and that she just got the hat because she liked it, but bear in mind that these girls are British (thus making it more likely for them to be phans?). This video was uploaded in 2013 as well, so assuming that they are phans, it gives us some insight on their demographic at the time.

I don't think I have ever cringed so hard in my life. Be warned ;



Just wanted to put it out there Please correct me if I got anything wrong

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the girls are mainly focusing on a facebook page called "facebeef" (made by that YouTubers' friends) which criticized the Janoskians in general I always forget the most relevant bits jfc...

akui wrote:
It's interesting you see most people respect them. For me i don't see people see them that way. True they are respected by some, but not all, most youtubers are just afraid of them.

I was basing it on wording I have heard from youtubers when talking about DP. Jacksepticeye being the most recent to say he respects them. I also agree with some of the points jaej and pearshaped34 said that it is maybe the actual fan base that is built that is the reason for their adoration. I mean the it's did get a silver button for a crafts prank channel and have the most fastest subscribed channel in the history of YouTube with their gaming channel The dedication of the phandom can even overpower the bro army. DP built that and are able to manipulate it and that I think is a quality that deserves respect. They have the charm and banter to gain such large popularity with so little effort put in.

kuensukki wrote:

akui wrote:
It's interesting you see most people respect them. For me i don't see people see them that way. True they are respected by some, but not all, most youtubers are just afraid of them.

I was basing it on wording I have heard from youtubers when talking about DP. Jacksepticeye being the most recent to say he respects them. I also agree with some of the points jaej and pearshaped34 said that it is maybe the actual fan base that is built that is the reason for their adoration. I mean the it's did get a silver button for a crafts prank channel and have the most fastest subscribed channel in the history of YouTube with their gaming channel The dedication of the phandom can even overpower the bro army. DP built that and are able to manipulate it and that I think is a quality that deserves respect. They have the charm and banter to gain such large popularity with so little effort put in.

the phandom to deps is like the dragons to khaleesi, she can't control them and they burn villages. And she can win the iron throne just by dragons, just like deps can't rely the phandom forever, to prove to the majority of their colleges who are serious content creators that they are more than just good looks and charming accents, they need to put more effort into building their channels.

Jack's comment on them, to me sounds like courtesy, but i have trust issues so i could be wrong.

Confession time: I am not a big fan of Dan and Phil. Well, sure, I watch them, their chemistry is really entertaining but in the end their content is not my favorite thing

What keeps me invested is what we're dicussing - the beauty of how they hold their large and rabid fanbase in the palm of their hands, teasing and hinting and #relatabling along growing their brand faster and faster. It's fascinating. It's a little bit creepy. And it's why i am such a fan of Phil: the man is a fucking pro

kuensukki wrote:

akui wrote:
It's interesting you see most people respect them. For me i don't see people see them that way. True they are respected by some, but not all, most youtubers are just afraid of them.

I was basing it on wording I have heard from youtubers when talking about DP. Jacksepticeye being the most recent to say he respects them. I also agree with some of the points jaej and pearshaped34 said that it is maybe the actual fan base that is built that is the reason for their adoration. I mean the it's did get a silver button for a crafts prank channel and have the most fastest subscribed channel in the history of YouTube with their gaming channel The dedication of the phandom can even overpower the bro army. DP built that and are able to manipulate it and that I think is a quality that deserves respect. They have the charm and banter to gain such large popularity with so little effort put in.

while I agree that the phandom is a huge part on most youtubers liking them I also have to say that's that viewing the stuff from one point only, you can't forget that dan and phil are lovely people and youtubers too, they always speak wisely about their subscribers never calling them fans or making fun of things like 'new' artists making fanart, they always speak on subjects that need addressing like how not okay if for a youtuber to take advantage of their subscribers, how they only promote stuff they do like and their strong moral code. If you get what I mean, I can think of lots of other behaviors of them that makes it easy to see them as someone likable if not a good role-model for newer youtubers.
I believe this behavior of them makes them pretty well liked by people who know about them even if they aren't fans or friends, and it makes a lot of youtubers respect them also, not all of them, but a significant number.
Of couse I'm not saying that all of previously discussed things are wrong, but you can't just look at that without forgetting this too.

gnostic wrote:Confession time: I am not a big fan of Dan and Phil. Well, sure, I watch them, their chemistry is really entertaining but in the end their content is not my favorite thing

What keeps me invested is what we're dicussing - the beauty of how they hold their large and rabid fanbase in the palm of their hands, teasing and hinting and #relatabling along growing their brand faster and faster. It's fascinating. It's a little bit creepy. And it's why i am such a fan of Phil: the man is a fucking pro

I'm curious why you think that Phil is such a pro. I know that people often theorize that behind the scenes Phil is a bit of a mastermind, but I always assumed they were talking about the business side of D+P. Idk, to me it always seemed that Dan was the one who was interacting w the fans and encouraging the rabid fan culture. I don't get the impression that Phil interacts that much with the fan base.

This is how you should tweet, Philip.

Hello good people of the internet How's everyone doing?
I'm back from a short holiday and clearly relapsing into my addiction. Been watching some 'react to D&P' video's today and all the footage i could find ( Pewphan) from people who did vlog at the creator's summit so i'm gonna chip in on the current debate because hey, where else than in these forums can we find in meaning for watching all these youtube clips

[/drPhil mode] I also think that Dan and Phil as people are generally "reserved nerds", if i gotta paint them with the broadest of pencils. Humorous, kind and sorta understated are words that spring to mind. When you see fragments of them in others people's vlogs, they look a lot less excitable and their laid-back nature becomes more visible -even though you can just see them snap into their roles pretty quickly as soon as the camera turns on.
I sorta disagree with some people here in that i think the 'social awkwardness' is mostly a spiel. I don't think they are half as awkward as they pretend to be, and i also think that (especially Dan) finds a lot of humor in awkward situations and that they are quite comfortable with making a 'social faux pas'. That's what the stories with Louise are all about, and they love using sexually charged innuendo or puns, pretend they are shocked by what the other person said and then laugh it away. To me that shows they like to play with social conventions and aren't to bothered deviating from them, and I don't think that's how people act who really feel awkward and have genuine social anxiety.
But yea, they remind me a lot of my friends too in that they probably prefer a chill day playing board games (or going to the sea) with a few close friends rather than befriending the youtube scene and going to all these parties and social meetups. They aren't outgoing in that way, as far as i can see. I think they do have a good social cercle of friends, but we just don't know them and won't see them. And they also just strike me as the type that take a lot of 'me time', just enjoying themselves browsing the internet or playing games or secretly maintaining an entire forest of centuries old bonsai trees - i'm on to you Phil Lester ![/size]

@Jaej I agree with about half of what you said. Yea, we are of course fans so we see them as our special little snowflakes. They do plenty you can criticize, but they've got all the vices I admire and none of the qualities I hate . Regarding the 'power of the fandom', I mostly disagree though. I don't think the youtubers they meet really are influenced that much by the fandom. Sure they might pop up in the comments and on twitter and on the margins you might gain some extra subscribers by engaging them, but that's not really that big a factor for the likes of pewdiepie or markiplier. Especially because they mainly play for different audiences. Things are different of course for much smaller youtubers where engaging a couple of ten thousand really dedicated fans or garnering attention of a couple of hundred thousands who in some way could be called 'fans' makes all the difference.
The real strength of the fandom for imo in that it gives them a significant group of people who are willing to shelf out a good amount of money to buy merch or watch a show that's entirely about themselves. And while the group is comparatively small to the amount of viewers, the passion and dedication of the fans does keep them relevant because it's a whole different sort of audience than the average casual viewer. And it offers them a pretty reliable source of inspiration for new content - philisnotonfire 8 anyone ?

spaceguitar wrote:

gnostic wrote:Confession time: I am not a big fan of Dan and Phil. Well, sure, I watch them, their chemistry is really entertaining but in the end their content is not my favorite thing

What keeps me invested is what we're dicussing - the beauty of how they hold their large and rabid fanbase in the palm of their hands, teasing and hinting and #relatabling along growing their brand faster and faster. It's fascinating. It's a little bit creepy. And it's why i am such a fan of Phil: the man is a fucking pro

I'm curious why you think that Phil is such a pro. I know that people often theorize that behind the scenes Phil is a bit of a mastermind, but I always assumed they were talking about the business side of D+P. Idk, to me it always seemed that Dan was the one who was interacting w the fans and encouraging the rabid fan culture. I don't get the impression that Phil interacts that much with the fan base.

Because throwing out the branding, the organization, the business: all the things we can only theorize about - Phil does what he does and is fucking good about it. He has his persona (collective IDB sigh) and everything else is underwraps. No inviting speculation about his personal life (beyond the part which makes him money), no public strong opinions, no tastes shared, no dramatic PR fuck ups. It's impressive

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