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On this topic, and under the spoiler, some porn-related things I found on Tumblr (made by pseudophan). TW: flashing colours, too.
I'm a bit internally conflicted here. I kind of find them a tad funny, in the most horrifying way (just like one would react to a dating a horse simulator video), but at the same time, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of objectifying them to this extent. Am I overreacting?

Ticia wrote:On this topic, and under the spoiler, some porn-related things I found on Tumblr (made by pseudophan). TW: flashing colours, too.

I'm a bit internally conflicted here. I kind of find them a tad funny, in the most horrifying way (just like one would react to a dating a horse simulator video), but at the same time, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of objectifying them to this extent. Am I overreacting?

Well, that got me out of lurking in the shadows.

You're not overreacting. Those kinds of jokes are polarizing not just due to humor being subjective, but also due to its offensive nature. It's like Pewds' Hitler and Jews jokes. You know it's a joke, but it is in bad taste.

But really, holy crap, that is one of the worst examples of objectifying D&P (even if in a joking manner). I never did get why many "phans" continue to either extremely baby them or treat them like fuckboys. Some are joking and doing it one or two times is okay, but constantly?

GossipLurkingGhost wrote:

Ticia wrote:On this topic, and under the spoiler, some porn-related things I found on Tumblr (made by pseudophan). TW: flashing colours, too.

I'm a bit internally conflicted here. I kind of find them a tad funny, in the most horrifying way (just like one would react to a dating a horse simulator video), but at the same time, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of objectifying them to this extent. Am I overreacting?

Well, that got me out of lurking in the shadows.

You're not overreacting. Those kinds of jokes are polarizing not just due to humor being subjective, but also due to its offensive nature. It's like Pewds' Hitler and Jews jokes. You know it's a joke, but it is in bad taste.

But really, holy crap, that is one of the worst examples of objectifying D&P (even if in a joking manner). I never did get why many "phans" continue to either extremely baby them or treat them like fuckboys. Some are joking and doing it one or two times is okay, but constantly?

Yikes, those are bright and to the point I don't like seeing things like that either, it's very reductive and dismisses everything else about a person.

Ticia wrote:On this topic, and under the spoiler, some porn-related things I found on Tumblr (made by pseudophan). TW: flashing colours, too.

I'm a bit internally conflicted here. I kind of find them a tad funny, in the most horrifying way (just like one would react to a dating a horse simulator video), but at the same time, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of objectifying them to this extent. Am I overreacting?

Don't worry, you're not overreacting because... I also feel very uncomfortable. I mean, I get the humor, I get the joke, but... I mean, this is probably not meant to be taken seriously, but I find it really uncomfortable to look at. This is (probably) the worst objectifying of Deppy that I've ever seen.
Now, to the video:
...I actually wanna say that I enjoyed it, but... I just find it weird. Even their bantz can't save it for me since... I don't exactly enjoy the gameplay? I mean, sure, there are some really cute moments, but... it's just not for me. I'm really glad that they seem to enjoy it though, mostly Dan, but... I think I'll skip it over if it really becomes a series. Sorry, boys, but I don't find the game appealing

I feel like with these jokes there's a line to how far you can go and they push that limit a bit too much :/

Honestly I'm getting sick of their 'this weird thing happened oh no @ me' tweets. I usually hate the 'persona' convos, but I mean... get some new material already. Phil couldn't tweet something human about how his parents visit went? Dan can't tweet out some frustration at trying to write a dinof vid or... I don't even know. But 'I heard somebody arguing outside so I threw my salad in the bin and the Queen's corgis looked at me' is just becoming mad libs. Everybody drags Phil over it, well it's not just him now, they're both sounding like bots.

Gaming vid: liked it but I hope that game doesn't end in bestiality (or maybe I do just to see Phil's reaction..) but it's not one that'll go on the rewatch list. Their uploading consistency keeps shocking me though so I don't even care-- there's going to be a lot more bad videos just because there's lot more videos in general now, so the occasional flop isn't the end of the world anymore. I prefer them experimenting with new stuff to see what sticks rather than getting a #spon sandwiched between Sims and Undertale for the month, you know?

Anyway I've been catching up on Chris's liveshows and he answers the 'what happened to the FF' question again for the millionth time at 1:08:50 - 1:14:00 here: vyou paid them ~20cents per question, is that new info? It was new to me.

1:17:35 (chat) I meant the flirting in Fantastic Foursome [is what I miss]
"Yeah, I guess we did flirt a lot, but we did it in a non-sexual way knowing that you guys would react to it strongly. Still do it now."

Anyway he ends it on the above quote and I thought antis/whatever might like that. I mean he still does it jokingly with PJ when they're on camera together, but is that all he meant by it etc. Happy Monday!

fancybum wrote:

Honestly I'm getting sick of their 'this weird thing happened oh no @ me' tweets. I usually hate the 'persona' convos, but I mean... get some new material already. Phil couldn't tweet something human about how his parents visit went? Dan can't tweet out some frustration at trying to write a dinof vid or... I don't even know. But 'I heard somebody arguing outside so I threw my salad in the bin and the Queen's corgis looked at me' is just becoming mad libs. Everybody drags Phil over it, well it's not just him now, they're both sounding like bots.

Just gonna reply to this. I think that someone in this forum said that maybe Deppy makes drafts of their Tweets, and maybe that's why it's on-brand? Like, they'll review their tweets before posting it, and will decide that "yup, this is on-brand"?

fancybum wrote:
Gaming vid: liked it but I hope that game doesn't end in bestiality (or maybe I do just to see Phil's reaction..) but it's not one that'll go on the rewatch list. Their uploading consistency keeps shocking me though so I don't even care-- there's going to be a lot more bad videos just because there's lot more videos in general now, so the occasional flop isn't the end of the world anymore. I prefer them experimenting with new stuff to see what sticks rather than getting a #spon sandwiched between Sims and Undertale for the month, you know?

I'm actually hoping that it won't. That would just be very disturbing. And, yes. I'm actually fairly surprised with their uploading consistency since I actually thought that they'll be back to their "once a month" video uploading. I'm glad that isn't the case, though Also, I'm hoping that their next DAPG video won't be a miss since... this is the very first miss since... well, since I joined the Phandom, tbh. I mean, like... I don't actually enjoyed this at all (unlike other vids where it's almost a miss, but their bantz saved me, so...)

fancybum wrote:

Honestly I'm getting sick of their 'this weird thing happened oh no @ me' tweets. I usually hate the 'persona' convos, but I mean... get some new material already. Phil couldn't tweet something human about how his parents visit went? Dan can't tweet out some frustration at trying to write a dinof vid or... I don't even know. But 'I heard somebody arguing outside so I threw my salad in the bin and the Queen's corgis looked at me' is just becoming mad libs. Everybody drags Phil over it, well it's not just him now, they're both sounding like bots.

this has probably been said before at some point, but i actually think the "they get high on new years eve and compose all the tweets for the year" theory is partially true. staying at home for most of the time while at the same time not wanting to share personal or domestic stuff doesn't leave room for a lot of topics. it might be that they turn the things that might be tweet-worthy into drafts and then use them as fillers if there's nothing spontaneously tweet-worthy happening (or nothing they want to share, apparently, re: phil's parents), which is why when they might be having quiet/uneventful days, we get the "omg this awkward thing happened" and "here's this generic weird thing i thought about" tweets from their stash.

edit: CallMeAyana said something along the lines while i was typing

I enjoyed the Horse Prince video but it wasn't one of their best. My highlight was this moment:




Source: http://qanhowell.tumblr.com/

CallMeAyana wrote: Just gonna reply to this. I think that someone in this forum said that maybe Deppy makes drafts of their Tweets, and maybe that's why it's on-brand? Like, they'll review their tweets before posting it, and will decide that "yup, this is on-brand"?

lurker wrote: this has probably been said before at some point, but i actually think the "they get high on new years eve and compose all the tweets for the year" theory is partially true. staying at home for most of the time while at the same time not wanting to share personal or domestic stuff doesn't leave room for a lot of topics. it might be that they turn the things that might be tweet-worthy into drafts and then use them as fillers if there's nothing spontaneously tweet-worthy happening (or nothing they want to share, apparently, re: phil's parents), which is why when they might be having quiet/uneventful days, we get the "omg this awkward thing happened" and "here's this generic weird thing i thought about" tweets from their stash.

Well my annoyance I guess is coming from the whole '2017 re-branding' talk. I don't doubt weird things happen to them or that Phil really loves sugar, but if that's all they're tweeting about, it gets old. This year is supposed to be less robotic, but I'm not seeing that looking through their tweets. Obviously they don't want to tweet out 'boring' stuff so they try to make them funny, but the little quippy 'lol I'm awkward' things have become boring because that's all there is. Once you've read one, you've read them all.

fancybum wrote:Well my annoyance I guess is coming from the whole '2017 re-branding' talk. I don't doubt weird things happen to them or that Phil really loves sugar, but if that's all they're tweeting about, it gets old. This year is supposed to be less robotic, but I'm not seeing that looking through their tweets. Obviously they don't want to tweet out 'boring' stuff so they try to make them funny, but the little quippy 'lol I'm awkward' things have become boring because that's all there is. Once you've read one, you've read them all.

Their rebranding so far seems mostly centered on videos/liveshows. I hadn't realized that until you pointed out the tweet thing, but their twitter accounts remain fairly untouched by change. I wonder if that's a conscious decision or if twitter just doesn't matter enough for them to bother with? Or if it's because they don't like the idea of immediate response on that level? They can tweet a video link, but at the same time they're doing that the response takes long and tends to not be a wave of replies all at the same moment like a tweet would be.

Though my vague example would only really encompass tweets that involved both of them being more open about daily plans/Phil's humor being more adult. There's still no reason they can't just tweet about something they did a few hours ago without it being an 'awkward stories' anthology entry.

I do think the embarrassing things probably happen to them, though. And I think in Dan's case especially he might just find awkward encounters the only real relatable thing about his life right now, to the fanbase he sees as a shrieking mass of young girls. Maybe he genuinely thinks job stress/tweets about general adult daily life/etc wouldn't be interesting, and it's safer to go awkward-haha.

i just don't get one thing, are they contractually obligated to tweet? do they just not want to appear to have gone MIA and alarm the fans? i understand not having anything to share or not wanting to share, but these tweets are such fillers that they don't have any value whatsover.

it's interesting because while they appear to be more relaxed in their interactions on camera and open about spending time together when there's something obvious happening (like dan going to the iom with phil), i don't register the general "they are boing open" because to me it seems that they have distanced and closed off themselves from the audience even more lately. even in the infamous 2012 they shared way more about their lives than they do now. i know they're probably working on some new (big-ish) project(s) right now and can't talk about it, so w/e, but if they want to appear alive they could be retweeting stuff they like or care about, @reply and react to other youtubers' tweets or just talk to their fans idk. just not the same animals/food/"i am a weirdo" stuff over and over again.

fancybum wrote:

1:17:35 (chat) I meant the flirting in Fantastic Foursome [is what I miss]
"Yeah, I guess we did flirt a lot, but we did it in a non-sexual way knowing that you guys would react to it strongly. Still do it now."

Anyway he ends it on the above quote and I thought antis/whatever might like that. I mean he still does it jokingly with PJ when they're on camera together, but is that all he meant by it etc. Happy Monday!

lol the poor guy will keep answering this forever, people obviously don't want to hear the boring and obvious truth, they want a different, exciting, SCANDALOUS answer, want to hear about some drama that never happened. rip chris.

anyway, i thought the "still do it now" was about "reacting to it strongly". as in, people still react to that flirting now (and come to him saying they miss it)? idk. maybe he's talking about the flirting itself indeed, nothing new here, when it comes to deppy chris' answers always strike me as quite antiphan.

papierklemmen wrote:anyway, i thought the "still do it now" was about "reacting to it strongly". as in, people still react to that flirting now (and come to him saying they miss it)? idk. maybe he's talking about the flirting itself indeed, nothing new here, when it comes to deppy chris' answers always strike me as quite antiphan.

I actually think he just got one of those angry Phil DMs (irl) after the 2020 joke and has stayed away from anything remotely phan joke-y that implies they're really together since then. Once burned twice shy and all that.

I don't mind it at all, though. I'd side-eye anyone in his position that hinted they knew phan was real. At best it would come off as attention grabbing and at worst it would be having zero respect for (what I believe to be, blah blah disclaimer, etc) a closeted couple who you were once friends with.

I'm on team "tired of weird tweets." Phil, I love you but can you please shut-up with your "sweet tooth"tweets. Dan, we get it you're awkward outside the house so just stay inside your house. I even prefer the animal gif tweets rather than those "misadventure" tweets.

Cringey phans: I think that those gifs are not a good example coz they're part of the extreme phans. (Those kind of posts are cringy no matter what fandom you use it) But I totally get that some of the behavior of most of the phans are cringy especially for most of us coz we're older.

But I will be a cringy and thirsty older fan coz I got my priorities. Is Phil doing some chest exercises or his shirts are getting smaller? The ice cream shirt was obviously not ironed and the it irks me. But it's too tight in the chest area. It doesn't the same way the last time he wore it. Deppy are most likely using the same detergent but Dan's clothes seem to fit the same way.
I'm really curious coz I've noticed Phil's nipples since the Pastle IRL video. I think Dan noticed it too.

papierklemmen wrote:i just don't get one thing, are they contractually obligated to tweet? do they just not want to appear to have gone MIA and alarm the fans?

It's not likely that they are "contractually" obligated to tweet considering they work for themselves, and I don't think that Twitter works on a paid tweet model. I'd imagine they regularly tweet to keep their audience engaged.

AFA going MIA and alarming fans, Connor Franta has basically disappeared from YouTube over the past few weeks. He's got another book coming out though, so....

I could do without another horse/dating simulator. Yea it's one of those weird /ridiculous / Japanese culture games, but I just don't find it compelling even with the D&P bants/vibe.

Speaking of things I could do without, unending redos of "Innuendo Bingo" by various YouTubers that have run out of original ideas. One can take only so much "reacting" to water being spewed over each other.

uglyamerican wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:i just don't get one thing, are they contractually obligated to tweet? do they just not want to appear to have gone MIA and alarm the fans?

It's not likely that they are "contractually" obligated to tweet considering they work for themselves, and I don't think that Twitter works on a paid tweet model. I'd imagine they regularly tweet to keep their audience engaged.

AFA going MIA and alarming fans, Connor Franta has basically disappeared from YouTube over the past few weeks. He's got another book coming out though, so....

of course they are not literally contractually obligated, but i mean i wonder if as youtubers they feel obliged to keep their social network accounts alive.

(at least connor franta sometimes delivers mysterious tweets that are fun to deciper, like that "never good enough" on feb 14. was it about him being single? was it about comparing other guys to troye? was he comparing himself with someone? was it just a random depressed tweet? etc.)

alittledizzy wrote:I actually think he just got one of those angry Phil DMs (irl) after the 2020 joke and has stayed away from anything remotely phan joke-y that implies they're really together since then. Once burned twice shy and all that.

That is exactly how I think the situation went down. Nice to hear someone else share my theory.

As of for the formulaic tweeting, I don't mind it. I find comfort in the systematic approach to their career. It shows they have some kind of agreed upon plan, and they both seem to be on the same wavelength. I've said it before, but these are two men who (need?) like traditions and structure. I'll take it. It takes me less than a second to read a tweet. No big deal.

papierklemmen wrote:

uglyamerican wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:i just don't get one thing, are they contractually obligated to tweet? do they just not want to appear to have gone MIA and alarm the fans?

It's not likely that they are "contractually" obligated to tweet considering they work for themselves, and I don't think that Twitter works on a paid tweet model. I'd imagine they regularly tweet to keep their audience engaged.

AFA going MIA and alarming fans, Connor Franta has basically disappeared from YouTube over the past few weeks. He's got another book coming out though, so....

of course they are not literally contractually obligated, but i mean i wonder if as youtubers they feel obliged to keep their social network accounts alive.

(at least connor franta sometimes delivers mysterious tweets that are fun to deciper, like that "never good enough" on feb 14. was it about him being single? was it about comparing other guys to troye? was he comparing himself with someone? was it just a random depressed tweet? etc.)

I might be in the monitory but I HATE cryptic tweets and I think in deppy's case it would cause too much drama for them to leave a tweet like connors.

I also don't mind Phil's tweets but I do wish he'd mix it up just a little. I spent yesterday going down the wormhole of old tweets and Phil used to be a lot more entertaining. Of course, after 11 years in the public eye I can understand why he tweets the way he does and it really may be the smartest way to avoid getting into any kind of public scandal to keep at it with the unassuming random facts and animal gifs.

I don't have much to say about Dan's tweets because they are similar to Phil's but the one wish I do have for Dan is that he tone down the fake angst

Philena wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:I actually think he just got one of those angry Phil DMs (irl) after the 2020 joke and has stayed away from anything remotely phan joke-y that implies they're really together since then. Once burned twice shy and all that.

That is exactly how I think the situation went down. Nice to hear someone else share my theory.

yeah, i agree that deppy might have called out chris on the joke regardless of their relationship status (if they are together - for being so careless; if they are not - for implying they might be and putting the idea into their fans' head) and if deppy are indeed together he would be careful; but i've also seen a theory that the joke might have actually been the downfall of the FF and tbh that just sounds like fanfiction lol.

Amiaw wrote:I might be in the monitory but I HATE cryptic tweets and I think in deppy's case it would cause too much drama for them to leave a tweet like connors.

idk Dan's (presumably) drunk sad tweets on the day of phil's homecoming are still my favourite think to wonder about. what was going through his head? what the hell was happening? was he tipsy or was he just lonely sat in a corner? was he in manchester from the start or did he come later? etc.

papierklemmen wrote:

Philena wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:I actually think he just got one of those angry Phil DMs (irl) after the 2020 joke and has stayed away from anything remotely phan joke-y that implies they're really together since then. Once burned twice shy and all that.

That is exactly how I think the situation went down. Nice to hear someone else share my theory.

yeah, i agree that deppy might have called out chris on the joke regardless of their relationship status (if they are together - for being so careless; if they are not - for implying they might be and putting the idea into their fans' head) and if deppy are indeed together he would be careful; but i've also seen a theory that the joke might have actually been the downfall of the FF and tbh that just sounds like fanfiction lol.

I do think that's one of the reasons (or something similar to that), but I think that they just had a falling out.

papierklemmen wrote:idk Dan's (presumably) drunk sad tweets on the day of phil's homecoming are still my favourite think to wonder about. what was going through his head? what the hell was happening? was he tipsy or was he just lonely sat in a corner? was he in manchester from the start or did he come later? etc.

please contribute to me procrastinating brighten up my day by telling me which tweets you're talking about?

Imagine seeing them on the bus, I would probably faint

simmehchan wrote:

Imagine seeing them on the bus, I would probably faint

Phil looks slightly pissed off from what I can see

alittledizzy wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:anyway, i thought the "still do it now" was about "reacting to it strongly". as in, people still react to that flirting now (and come to him saying they miss it)? idk. maybe he's talking about the flirting itself indeed, nothing new here, when it comes to deppy chris' answers always strike me as quite antiphan.

I actually think he just got one of those angry Phil DMs (irl) after the 2020 joke and has stayed away from anything remotely phan joke-y that implies they're really together since then. Once burned twice shy and all that.

I don't mind it at all, though. I'd side-eye anyone in his position that hinted they knew phan was real. At best it would come off as attention grabbing and at worst it would be having zero respect for (what I believe to be, blah blah disclaimer, etc) a closeted couple who you were once friends with.

I think that joke crossed a line for them but I doubt it was to the extent of anybody getting called out, more just one of those things in the back of your mind that keeps you from ever opening up or getting close to that person again in private. If that even made sense. Like some of pewdiepie's jokes/comments about them since then have been worse imo and they never seem to give a crap about it, so . And Chris still does make jokey references to phan, but I interpret it as him talking about dinof/AP and more a joke of what the fans see them as/want them to be, rather than anything about what he knows of them personally. Which is good, he knows better than to cross any real lines.

Oh and coffeepenguin for that Undertale recap; I don't have any conclusions to draw from it but it was a fun read.

[offtopic]Offtopic but I'm having a great start to my week: [/offtopic]

edit: ew at creepshotting them in public, they're not animals in a zoo, how gross must that feel

lost686girl wrote:prude isn't a derogatory word? why would it upset someone

[offtopic]It's not derogatory, no, but speaking for my own perspective on it, it's kind of dismissive of the validity of not wanting to see/be exposed to certain things. It comes across to me as a sort of subtle "sit down and shut up" kind of word. Like, I was aware in apologizing that maybe no one else cared or noticed, but it upset me when I realized I'd said it, so... I dunno. I have a tendency to overthink. I thought well, maybe nobody else cares/will care, but if someone else does, at least I've apologized, you know?[/offtopic]