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20:22, Dan is such a fucking troll!

Lots of 'ear-perk' moments if you're expecting them, but it was just generally a fun and funny video. They’re so aware of what people would be looking for in a video like this, so while they’re having fun, they’re still very much on guard; I’m not even going to do them the disservice of reading into their comments. It was entertaining and they looked great in suits; that’s enough for me this time.

I only want to point out one moment that didn’t get a reaction from Dan or a zoom, but sexualinnuendo!Phil reared his lovely head for a great little moment at 6:17:

Phil: "her boss must have given her a rolicking"
Followed by a quick IRL ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) hahahaa

RE gender roles:

‘gender roles gender roles dan break gender roles dan do this do that yas break those gender roles'
dan: mentions gender roles 2 times in a video
‘wow dan clam it down a smidge about gender roles’

Was it 2 times too many? 1? How much is too much when it’s the other way round, when it’s a cacophony of people directing it at Dan? I wonder why it could possibly be on his damn mind.

Actual gender role mentions:

7:25
"we should have them separate out and have some fun, because, you know, gender roles”
13:45
“Dan and Phil have not done anything to smash gender roles”

God Dan gets nitpicked incessantly over every single little thing, every stray word, and it stresses me out.

It was a cute vid, but I think I need to get a new pair of . The only part where they seemed to work correctly was the height talk, but I blinked and they were back to working for crap. (maybe cleared up a little bit at the cherry blossom mention too) They were working better for the stupid react vid earlier today.

eevee I'm with you in the whole gender-roles push. I was thinking the whole time, how is that a gender roles thing? Every same-sex couple I know also did stag-stag/hen-hen nights. It is just a tradition.

Random: It bugs me that in every Sims video Tabitha does not wash her hands after using the toilet, but Phil always does. Just me....OK. (What does this say about me?)

fancybum wrote:RE gender roles:

‘gender roles gender roles dan break gender roles dan do this do that yas break those gender roles'
dan: mentions gender roles 2 times in a video
‘wow dan clam it down a smidge about gender roles’

Was it 2 times too many? 1? How much is too much when it’s the other way round, when it’s a cacophony of people directing it at Dan? I wonder why it could possibly be on his damn mind.

Actual gender role mentions:

7:25
"we should have them separate out and have some fun, because, you know, gender roles”
13:45
“Dan and Phil have not done anything to smash gender roles”

God Dan gets nitpicked incessantly over every single little thing, every stray word, and it stresses me out.

My problem is not that he's talking about it or being mindful, it's that this video had nothing to do with gender roles and he's forcing it in there. But maybe you see something I don't see?

Winston wrote:eevee I'm with you in the whole gender-roles push. I was thinking the whole time, how is that a gender roles thing? Every same-sex couple I know also did stag-stag/hen-hen nights. It is just a tradition.

Winston wrote:Random: It bugs me that in every Sims video Tabitha does not wash her hands after using the toilet, but Phil always does. Just me....OK. (What does this say about me?)

I think you mean Dil not Phil haha really!?? I didn't notice that but that's pretty gross. If I were Dil I'd be like "girl we getting married AFTER you learn to wash yo hands"

at 23.15-23:27 "This is where I would I chop my hand off at ??Our?? wedding" so what is this about Philly? Did you just accidentally out Phan or what are you on about m8?

And Dan; if you are so against society and its gender rolls... why don't you just go against it? Or move out to the woods? lol. Not hating but I feel like he has been going on and on about this for a few weeks now without reaching a climax. Or he just got soo inspired by some artist and the world of "aesthetic" that he himself want to be one of them...

Thumbs up to the sims video for sure! Loved it! BUT they are so playing us with 2022 that I don't have the effort to care anymore. They are so fucking engage that it's disgusting, uurrg get a dog already!

Didn't watch the liveshow, didn't sound particularly interesting just the normal light hearted fun stuff that Phil usually does. Nothing wrong with that, all good.

SquishPhan wrote: - He doesn’t know any Dutch.

I take that back, Phil is cancelled.

fancybum wrote:

mio wrote: 2011: we're moving in together because it's convenient
2012: we're getting a place together in london but we're just friends OMG Y'ALL ARE GROSS
2016: we'll get a dog together yay friendship!!
2019: we're adopting a child but just as friends
2022: we're having a ceremony with all our family and friends to celebrate the importance of our relationship BEST BROS FOREVER!!!111

I think if any of these things were to happen, it'll be the antis adding those disclaimers and D&P will just do their own thing and let everyone else come to their own conclusions. kind of like now. ish.

Some extreme antis would be like 'It's for tax purposes sweaty : )' while Depz make out at the end of the ceremony tbh.

Anyway, DIL'S WEDDING.

- These dorks in their suits.
- 'HELLO DAN AND PHIL GAMES WEDDING GUESTS' < I fixed it. You're welcome.
- Commenting on each other's suits, now I'm imagining them doing that before any big thing where they have to wear formal attire aND IT'S MESSING WITH ME.
- 'I liked the bush trimming' Phil you little shit, you were very vocal about wanting to sell it. Or was this just letting us know how you prefer your sexual partners? Cheeky.
- lmao at Dan and his pouty face and petty noises after Phil insisted he really was sick. Phil then being petty too. Love it.
- Mailman McDick lmao
- 'Sounded good.' 'Thank you.' 'Not you..' Some tough love from Phil there.
- Dan's on about gender roles again, except this time he's making no sense so maybe he needs to not log in to Tumblr for a week or two.
- Dan isn't one for age gaps. Phan was never real after all.
- Height talk about two Sims that could literally be about themselves...
- Slightly crawling out of the trashcan at the mention of stag nights and best men. Yes, I'm that shipper.
- More gender roles talk that doesn't at all apply to what's happening... Dan you need to stop.
- Here we see a snippet of Dan and Phil arguing about the guest list to their 2022 wedding.
- Another look into the future as Dan and Phil continue to bicker over the catering.
- Cherryblossoms
- Phil isn't into daddy kink and I can actually hear the NSFW side of the phandom collapsing.
- ' I'm about the have most fun I've ever had' Oh there I go again.

There was a lot of 'our' in this. Our house, our wedding... brb let me set myself on fire real quick But this Let's Play really has gone from 'Dil is the combination of Dan and Phil' (though it was mentioned again in this ep) to 'Dil is the son of Dan and Phil #dads' and then to 'Dil and Tabitha are pretty much self inserts of Dan and Phil' over the last (almost) two years. Good shit

It was a nice Sims episode, though maybe also slightly underwhelming. I kinda expected more crazy shit to happen or something I dunno. I need more drama. I also kinda feel like they were a bit careful with that what they were saying and doing so that it couldn't perceived 'wrong' but maybe I'm imagining shit.

bluewho wrote:
aaaaaand que:

so troll then?

ok, watched it again aaaand I noticed that hint at try for baby at the end and ugh seriously children? gross, i’m hoping they abandon Dil before that actually happens

fancybum wrote: Phil: "her boss must have given her a rolicking"
Followed by a quick IRL ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) hahahaa

what does this mean?

They did it! They tied the knot!

::cough:: I mean

Internet wedding of the century reactions below:

eevee wrote:
My problem is not that he's talking about it or being mindful, it's that this video had nothing to do with gender roles and he's forcing it in there. But maybe you see something I don't see?

Is your issue only him using the term in reference to the bachelor/ette "parties"? Because while it could be a reach, maybe the thing coming to mind for him is the stereotypical idea of what those are supposed to be (like the 'last night of freedom' before getting 'tied down'), so segregating the bride and groom to just female friends and male friends respectively is kind of gender role-y. Obviously that's not actually how the scenario went (as there are no strip clubs in the Sims, for instance). I mean overall I just think it's Not That Deep, but then again you have a problem every time he uses the word 'consent' because every mention of a Serious subject needs to be followed by an academic lecture to be justified? I just think it's on his mind, and he brings it up in passing here and there, and I just find it exhausting to demand significant deeper meanings from every single word that comes out of his mouth.

fancy_nancy wrote:

fancybum wrote: Phil: "her boss must have given her a rolicking"
Followed by a quick IRL ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) hahahaa

what does this mean?

He just meant Tabitha's boss probably yelled at her for being late, but the way it came out sounded like an innuendo, and his face after saying it was funny to me, as he realized it sounded wrong.

A few random thoughts with no particular importance...

Phil curls up towards Dan to demonstrate getting "snuggly" to sleep.

Dan considers a wedding to be a life event, not a social event.

Phil's "Mia Yang" tantrum... completely worked for getting his way.

Phil has never done a wedding before when he's played Sims. (??? This is actually a very interesting comment to me. I'm really curious about how he played on his own.)

I haven't played since Sims 2, do they not change the last names anymore when getting married?

(Is him referring to them as Mr and Mrs Howlter anyway the main enforcement of gender roles in this video? Sorry, I don't actually want to get into that debate.)

I accidentally paused at 0:02. I suggest this to everyone.

eevee wrote:

Winston wrote:Random: It bugs me that in every Sims video Tabitha does not wash her hands after using the toilet, but Phil always does. Just me....OK. (What does this say about me?)

I think you mean Dil not Phil haha really!?? I didn't notice that but that's pretty gross. If I were Dil I'd be like "girl we getting married AFTER you learn to wash yo hands"

Haha yes, I mean Dil not Phil.

fancybum wrote:

eevee wrote:
My problem is not that he's talking about it or being mindful, it's that this video had nothing to do with gender roles and he's forcing it in there. But maybe you see something I don't see?

Is your issue only him using the term in reference to the bachelor/ette "parties"? Because while it could be a reach, maybe the thing coming to mind for him is the stereotypical idea of what those are supposed to be (like the 'last night of freedom' before getting 'tied down'), so segregating the bride and groom to just female friends and male friends respectively is kind of gender role-y. Obviously that's not actually how the scenario went (as there are no strip clubs in the Sims, for instance). I mean overall I just think it's Not That Deep, but then again you have a problem every time he uses the word 'consent' because every mention of a Serious subject needs to be followed by an academic lecture to be justified? I just think it's on his mind, and he brings it up in passing here and there, and I just find it exhausting to demand significant deeper meanings from every single word that comes out of his mouth.

It’s possible that’s what he was thinking, sure, who knows. People were simply expressing that the usage of the term ‘gender roles’ in this video felt out of place as whatever meaning he intended wasn’t obvious and/or didn’t seem to make sense in context to some people—I don’t recall seeing anyone demanding a significant deeper meaning?

Since you acknowledged that that possible explanation you gave could be a reach, out of curiosity, is that the scenario/explanation you immediately assumed he meant when you watched the video the first time?

biatchqueen wrote:

antigone wrote:

I love their outfits

That entire thing was insanely satisfying, I hope Phils kinetic sand video makes it into the extras video because I've seen that in a handful of these types of videos.

Also, I really want a asmr video. The fact that they mentioned asmr makes me want it more despite the fact I know they would cringe for a thousand years when even contemplating making one.

Yas! That video is hand porn. It's really arousing. did I just say that?

The kinetic sand video has more than 2M views because there are a lot of compilation of oddly satisfying videos that included it especially on instagram. Of course, no one credited Phil or any of the original videos for that matter. Thankfully the phandom was there to flood their comments section. Although I haven't found the video compilation that most of the people in Phil's video were talking about.

Phil in red.

WEDDING
I just finished my Sims marathon yesterday so I was so happy seeing Dil get married. Tabatha is the perfect match for Dil. After all the failed girl relationships and all the boys who flirted with Dil but D&P ignored, Dil finally will start his own family. But I must admit, the episode felt so rushed. They were very careful of the things they say. They either don't want us to dissect every single frame and associate it with their #platonic relationship or they don't want us to conclude that D&P are engaged/married all this time.

The most noteable thing for me were:
1. Ageing: It's good they aged her but Dil's been living with her all this time despite the age difference. I think that is more problematic than marriage if they were trying to appeal to their young audience. You've disregarded the age of consent a long time ago, D&P.
2. Height difference: This was so funny. Dan was concerned when Phil mentioned that Tabs was taller than him. Dan, just accept that you are no longer the twink from 2009. You're a giant noodle now. Also, Dil's posture is so Phil I want to pop his shoulders and spine.
3. Stag party: Ok. IF D&P ARE REALLY TOGETHER
How will their stag party go? Will they have a separate one? If yes, how will they divide their friends? Will the people from Manchester be with Phil while Dan goes with the London/Brighton people?
4. Wedding: They definitely talked about wedding within or not within the context of their Sim. They have very similar taste on what should be in the wedding. And seriously...

They should have decorated more. I was expecting to see bridezilla!Dan. Disappoints.
They should have accepted Preston's inviation. He didn't officially date Dil anyway. What if he was just asking for a friendly date because Chaz Llama was a new restaurant. And if they accidentally flirt with each other, it'll be more interesting . It'll be just like Charlie or Jimmy all over again. Jk. But alas, they wanted a committed relationship.

taetaewl wrote:at 23.15-23:27 "This is where I would I chop my hand off at ??Our?? wedding" so what is this about Philly? Did you just accidentally out Phan or what are you on about m8?

He said a wedding, not our wedding. If he had said our I'm sure they would have cut it out

fancybum wrote:

eevee wrote:
My problem is not that he's talking about it or being mindful, it's that this video had nothing to do with gender roles and he's forcing it in there. But maybe you see something I don't see?

Is your issue only him using the term in reference to the bachelor/ette "parties"? Because while it could be a reach, maybe the thing coming to mind for him is the stereotypical idea of what those are supposed to be (like the 'last night of freedom' before getting 'tied down'), so segregating the bride and groom to just female friends and male friends respectively is kind of gender role-y.

My Mac's dying and I should be asleep but I just wanted to say I totally get how Dan related the stag/hen do stuff to gender roles.

I, as a previously (lolz) engaged female found this really difficult and frankly I'm glad it never happened. It's SO gender-roley I don't get how its confused everyone.

Yes its also 'tradition' but the tradition is the woman goes out with her womanfriends to drink wine and dance and do 'girl things' and the man goes out with his manfriends to either bro it out over pizzas and beers or go to a strip joint. And what happened in this episode? Tabs went out with her womanfriend drinking wine and dancing. Dil bro'd it out with his manfriend over pizza. I can totally see why Dan felt like it was a bit grim and gender-rolly. It so happened to be the natural choice (as it so often is, hence tradition) so I also get why they went with is because really, what other option was there?

And I really am speaking from experience here. Many of my relatives and people who just didn't know me that well expected me to go out dancing with the girls and drink out of dick straws but in actuality more than half of my friends are male and I'd have rather gone paintballing tbh. I felt the gender-role pressure, so I can see where Dan is coming from 100%.

Times like this, I honestly think back to Dan's diss where he said people would say the way he makes toast is problematic. I don't understand how he's held to this perfect level of social awareness where even two casual mentions in a video are considered out of place and too much, despite being considered problematic for saying the word 'bitch' no less than 2 days ago. And yet Phil is left unaccountable for any of this shit because what, he just doesn't bother to address anything at all ever?

In that sense, would you rather Dan just shut up about it? I wouldn't. I like that he speaks his mind, even if sometimes it doesn't quite come out right, although I don't think this is one of those times. I got what he meant. And we all wonder where his crippling anxiety over his output comes from? He gets picked apart because he gives more and whilst I understand that (its more fodder, just like speculation over his sexuality) it sometimes frustrates me when even on a friendly forum like this he gets picked apart for about 10 seconds of a half hour video.

blueapple_x wrote: Since you acknowledged that that possible explanation you gave could be a reach, out of curiosity, is that the scenario/explanation you immediately assumed he meant when you watched the video the first time?

Basically. Dan said "we should at least get them to separate out and have some fun" and I automatically assumed 'separate them to a man friend for Dil and a female friend for Tabitha' as that's the expectation for those parties. Which they did. The later one:
Dan: "Dil's having his 'bro time', she's having her 'girl time', Dan and Phil have not done anything to smash gender roles"
just follows along the same thought process of 'we're giving in to the expectation to have the bride off with her woman friends and the groom off with his man friends'. Not that the mentions stood out any more than anything else going on in the video, I didn't find them glaringly out of place. The 'reach' only comes in since other people found them so out of place. It's not a reach for me.

[edit: maybe as a bit of context the few (straight) people my age that I know who have gotten married semi-recently had their pre-wedding party as a joint thing as they share the same friend groups and it would have been pretty weird and pointless to segregate based on gender. I imagine D&P would follow suit and just have a joint party in such a scenario.

fancybum wrote:Is your issue only him using the term in reference to the bachelor/ette "parties"? Because while it could be a reach, maybe the thing coming to mind for him is the stereotypical idea of what those are supposed to be (like the 'last night of freedom' before getting 'tied down'), so segregating the bride and groom to just female friends and male friends respectively is kind of gender role-y. Obviously that's not actually how the scenario went (as there are no strip clubs in the Sims, for instance). I mean overall I just think it's Not That Deep, but then again you have a problem every time he uses the word 'consent' because every mention of a Serious subject needs to be followed by an academic lecture to be justified? I just think it's on his mind, and he brings it up in passing here and there, and I just find it exhausting to demand significant deeper meanings from every single word that comes out of his mouth.

I don't think we're on the same page here. I don't have a problem with him pointing out gender roles or that it's a negative force in society. I don't even really have a problem with this video, I'm just confused because I don't see anything in the video that insinuates gender roles. I see what you're saying about the "parties" being stereotypical, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with gender roles, instead I see it as having more to do with tradition. In my mind, gender roles have a lot to do with interactions of the genders in society. For example the man is expected to hold a door for the woman in some people's minds. Them having equal bachelor/bachelorette parties where they hang out with their own gender and don't see each other and do effectively nothing different, that has more to do with tradition than gender roles. By that logic, Dan's mention of gender roles doesn't make much sense. And that's what I was pointing out. And it was weird to me that he said it a few times when there's nothing in the video about stereotypical gender roles at all?

I don't demand a deeper meaning, I was just suggesting an easier way for him to go about it, as he seemed to be stumbling and at one point was like "we are progressive" as a way to explain himself as a disclaimer, I feel like instead of being a little crypic you could just explain yourself clearly.

Honestly I don't prefer that though, what I would prefer him to have done was said nothing about it or if he's that worried about being perceived as "not progressive" (which isn't even a bad thing if you ask me) then he couldve explained that he's into tradition but not everyone is, and that's okay. But again that's more me putting myself in his shoes, as he seems concerned with how people percieve his views on social issues. Therefore it would make sense for him to explain. Do I think he needs to explain himself every time? no.

The consent issue is a completely different topic and has little to do with this. I'm not okay with him joking about consent and turning it into a joke, consent is a serious thing. Do I think he was joking about gender roles in this video? Absolutely not, in fact I think he was going out of his way to explain that he didn't like gender roles and didn't want to perpetuate them. Why doesn't he treat consent as seriously as he treats gender roles? I may never know. But my issues with this video (or confusion, really, because I'm not upset but just confused) and my issues with him using consent as a joke are completely different.

I think that he needs to make sense when he's talking about a social issue and be a little more clear. And that's the bottom line and the point I was making.

I hope this made sense haha.

blueapple_x wrote:It’s possible that’s what he was thinking, sure, who knows. People were simply expressing that the usage of the term ‘gender roles’ in this video felt out of place as whatever meaning he intended wasn’t obvious and/or didn’t seem to make sense in context to some people—I don’t recall seeing anyone demanding a significant deeper meaning?

Since you acknowledged that that possible explanation you gave could be a reach, out of curiosity, is that the scenario/explanation you immediately assumed he meant when you watched the video the first time?

blueapple_x said it a little better than me and in much fewer words.

fancybum wrote:Basically. Dan said "we should at least get them to separate out and have some fun" and I automatically assumed 'separate them to a man friend for Dil and a female friend for Tabitha' as that's the expectation for those parties. Which they did. The later one:
Dan: "Dil's having his 'bro time', she's having her 'girl time', Dan and Phil have not done anything to smash gender roles"
just follows along the same thought process of 'we're giving in to the expectation to have the bride off with her woman friends and the groom off with his man friends'. Not that the mentions stood out any more than anything else going on in the video, I didn't find them glaringly out of place. The 'reach' only comes in since other people found them so out of place. It's not a reach for me.

so the expectation of them hanging out with sam-gender friends is gender roles? that's what I'm missing.

Is it strange that my favorite part of the wedding was the wedding fish? So like Phil to point that out and get distracted by it

I haven't played sims 4, I'm still on Sims 3 so I can't contribute much on how it usually goes. I did think it was strange that Phil knew it was 1000 simoleons, then claimed he didn't know a thing about it, then knew every option and how it all worked . I still think he has secret agent sims with torture dungeons and you can't tell me otherwise.

I don't like how it auto chose a wedding tux and dress. Having people show up to the wedding in completely inappropriate clothes was the best part of the sims 3. Also the fun of choosing the dress or tux.

Interesting about the last name - I did some research andthe last name does not/cannot change - evah.( *edit you can now change it in CAS after a patch and complaints) If they have a baby they will be asked to choose a last name. Sims 4 team blames "engine limitations". I call BS. This is why I still play sims 3.

I'm pretty sure if Dan had billions of dollars he would live in a mansion in Hollywood with all the expensive aesthetic things.

Was it rummage you or ravage you? I feel like it was rahbage with a soft ah and mumbles.

I love the sims, bring on the babies and taxes and death. I am in favor of ending it when Dil turns elder and retires. I don't want to see dil die or continue with the kids life.

eevee wrote: so the expectation of them hanging out with sam-gender friends is gender roles? that's what I'm missing.

Lurktacularr wrote: My Mac's dying and I should be asleep but I just wanted to say I totally get how Dan related the stag/hen do stuff to gender roles.

I, as a previously (lolz) engaged female found this really difficult and frankly I'm glad it never happened. It's SO gender-roley I don't get how its confused everyone.

Yes its also 'tradition' but the tradition is the woman goes out with her womanfriends to drink wine and dance and do 'girl things' and the man goes out with his manfriends to either bro it out over pizzas and beers or go to a strip joint. And what happened in this episode? Tabs went out with her womanfriend drinking wine and dancing. Dil bro'd it out with his manfriend over pizza. I can totally see why Dan felt like it was a bit grim and gender-rolly. It so happened to be the natural choice (as it so often is, hence tradition) so I also get why they went with is because really, what other option was there?

And I really am speaking from experience here. Many of my relatives and people who just didn't know me that well expected me to go out dancing with the girls and drink out of dick straws but in actuality more than half of my friends are male and I'd have rather gone paintballing tbh. I felt the gender-role pressure, so I can see where Dan is coming from 100%.

Times like this, I honestly think back to Dan's diss where he said people would say the way he makes toast is problematic. I don't understand how he's held to this perfect level of social awareness where even two casual mentions in a video are considered out of place and too much, despite being considered problematic for saying the word 'bitch' no less than 2 days ago. And yet Phil is left unaccountable for any of this shit because what, he just doesn't bother to address anything at all ever?

In that sense, would you rather Dan just shut up about it? I wouldn't. I like that he speaks his mind, even if sometimes it doesn't quite come out right, although I don't think this is one of those times. I got what he meant. And we all wonder where his crippling anxiety over his output comes from? He gets picked apart because he gives more and whilst I understand that (its more fodder, just like speculation over his sexuality) it sometimes frustrates me when even on a friendly forum like this he gets picked apart for about 10 seconds of a half hour video.

Missed Phil's amazing (lol, unintentional) liveshow so I've tabbed his Tumblr with eager anticipation.

Before my Sims review: liked the new YTR! Dan and Phil were def some of the most interesting reactors. My fave was probably the first one, but the sponge ( praise Dan for mentioning us trypophobics) was NASTY imo and tbh most of them made me feel super anxious (I guess i'm weird) like the apple one, I would find it a LOT more satisfying just thick-chunking (lol nice english use) that apple, than teeny-tiny-slicing *shivers unhappily*

Anyhow, I had high expectations for the new DAPG vid which fell short slightly but I was certainly satisfied by some of the oddest moments I'd never have expected?
(These might not be strictly in order)
- "i liked the bush trimming" - Phil 2k16 (spit-take worthy)
- Dan's faith in the Sims games' 'free will' slightly frustrates me. I mean, does he really expect game characters to run perfectly on their own without any outside interference...in a game franchise which literally prioritises this control over said characters?! I get undue anxiety whenever there's 'waiting for Tabitha to go to work' moments or w/e because JUST CLICK THE OPTION TO 'GO TO WORK' BOYS?!! (although the cross-language countdown in this video was pretty funny)
- Phil's "sounded good" at Tabitha's guitar playing and then Dan's offended face/response: "rude" when Phil said it wasn't his singing he was calling good
- Happy the summer and zion things happened as it certainly added a little bit o' drama
- LOVED Phil's "bow chicka snort snort" and that little appreciative response from Dan
- Dil's random appearing confetti cannon I mean, what and then D+P's reactions to it
- height talk, obvs. very strange as well because Sims are all literally the same height in each life stage so it seemed a little pointless to comment on.
- gender roles talk: could see where Dan was coming from (albeit a bit vaguely) but he could have just left it at "all marriage traditions are [insert disapproving word here]" and then that might have 'excused' the ones they Dil and Tabitha followed.
- "so we sent an invite to the big BP... not the oil spill ... not that big BP [pursed-lips Dan emerges] [soft!Dan emerges] ...that's the worst one."
- emphasis on the 'bro time' (clearly intentional imo)
- Phil calling out Dan on his fairytale messing-up bit "cause remember, we're progressive, Phil"
- the Travis moment had me rolling Phil's laugh at Dan's "Mmmm" "Too late Trav. Move on" - stern words from Phil
- yep that 20:22 moment is not a coincidence. not buying it for a second. (the comments are also saying that Dilitha became engaged at 20:22 in the last video... Dan your trolling is sneaky and annoying and somewhat predictable and slightly confusing... )
- Dan's little gasp when the vows started happening and Dil took Tabitha's hand was lovely
- "the wedding fish" moment was incredible usually i'd hate the guys for derailing so fast after such an intense/intimate moment but their 'fish voices' were just gold. and the v quick "took that too far" scene with Phil
- the microwave reaction was great (and other sentences you will read today)
- Dan: "the most fun i've ever had"
- did we discuss why dan brings up god every time dilitha woohoo? is it likely because of his christian grandma upbringing or something? he muttered "society" whilst clapping, what does that even mean i'm so nosy ...and intrigued, considering his alleged agnosticism/atheism (sorry, can't remember which)
- dan's "woohoo!" has to be edited into Blur's Song 2...and I will die laughing if it is
- "our lovely Dilly lumps...check it out"
- Dan's snigger and "PHil!" after the woohoo at his 'popping pillows' comment
- "who'd have thunk it that Dil would get a wife?" "i'd never have thunk it"
- "the more people like [slightly slurred], the laster their marriage lasts" is Dan tipsy?
Loved the vid though I guess: watched it twice through!

Lurktacularr wrote: Times like this, I honestly think back to Dan's diss where he said people would say the way he makes toast is problematic. I don't understand how he's held to this perfect level of social awareness where even two casual mentions in a video are considered out of place and too much, despite being considered problematic for saying the word 'bitch' no less than 2 days ago. And yet Phil is left unaccountable for any of this shit because what, he just doesn't bother to address anything at all ever?

In that sense, would you rather Dan just shut up about it? I wouldn't. I like that he speaks his mind, even if sometimes it doesn't quite come out right, although I don't think this is one of those times. I got what he meant. And we all wonder where his crippling anxiety over his output comes from? He gets picked apart because he gives more and whilst I understand that (its more fodder, just like speculation over his sexuality) it sometimes frustrates me when even on a friendly forum like this he gets picked apart for about 10 seconds of a half hour video.

Nobody is calling him problematic here. Seems like people are getting confused about people being confused over something Dan said

eevee wrote:I don't think we're on the same page here. I don't have a problem with him pointing out gender roles or that it's a negative force in society. I don't even really have a problem with this video, I'm just confused because I don't see anything in the video that insinuates gender roles. I see what you're saying about the "parties" being stereotypical, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with gender roles, instead I see it as having more to do with tradition. In my mind, gender roles have a lot to do with interactions of the genders in society. For example the man is expected to hold a door for the woman in some people's minds. Them having equal bachelor/bachelorette parties where they hang out with their own gender and don't see each other and do effectively nothing different, that has more to do with tradition than gender roles. By that logic, Dan's mention of gender roles doesn't make much sense. And that's what I was pointing out. And it was weird to me that he said it a few times when there's nothing in the video about stereotypical gender roles at all?

I guess gender roles mean different things to different people. For me personally, gender roles is "you HAVE to/ you CAN'T do this because you're a ____".

@Lurktacularr and fancybum: If a group of people want to play a game and they make it boys vs girls (however they personally identify themself is up to them), is that still considered a gender roles thing?

I'm on the same page as eevee with the confusion, I wasn't sure what Gender Roles(tm) had to do with anything in the video
edit: Lurktacularr you explained this really well, so props to you, I think it's just confusing to people who haven't been to one of those parties or don't know much about them. Even though it felt out of place to me because I was confused, I don't think it should have been left out of the video, and I think most people agree.

But anyway... all of the content that came out today was enjoyable! Nothing very exciting. The wedding was cute but I'm not v emotionally invested in the sims so it was just a cute little domestic video for me. The liveshow was short *eye twitch* but it was nice to listen to Phil chatter while getting some work done. The YTR episode was alright as well, exactly what I expected... about 30 seconds of deppy, but a cute 30 seconds. I'm thoroughly satisfied.
New DINOF video soon? I guess we'll see on Tuesday!
In some "Mango-is-bored-and-paranoid" news... I rewatched "Rejects" and realized how different and empty their flat looks when they prepared it for the sketch. It must have been inconvenient to place all of their little trinkets in their hallway or wherever. The tinhat in me wants me to believe that their flat is a set... but... I mustn't.... think like that......................

eevee wrote: I don't have a problem with him pointing out gender roles or that it's a negative force in society. I don't even really have a problem with this video, I'm just confused because I don't see anything in the video that insinuates gender roles. I see what you're saying about the "parties" being stereotypical, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with gender roles, instead I see it as having more to do with tradition. In my mind, gender roles have a lot to do with interactions of the genders in society. For example the man is expected to hold a door for the woman in some people's minds. Them having equal bachelor/bachelorette parties where they hang out with their own gender and don't see each other and do effectively nothing different, that has more to do with tradition than gender roles. By that logic, Dan's mention of gender roles doesn't make much sense. And that's what I was pointing out. And it was weird to me that he said it a few times when there's nothing in the video about stereotypical gender roles at all?

You could take that bolded bit and apply it to this 'tradition' in that, in terms of their interaction, they're expected to separate entirely for the night before the wedding. And that's easy right since women are just friends with women and men are just friends with men? That, to me, is hugely based on gender roles and the interaction between men and women in society.

I think sometimes we may forget that just because we personally don't see the connection someone is making to a social issue, doesn't mean it isn't valid and doesn't make it out of place.

Not to make this about phan or anything, but Dan and Phil may well have had this cross their minds when imagining how this might go down for them if they ever chose to do it. They'd be in the same situation as me and my ex - a same sex couple who share 90% of their friends. Being the same gender makes that 'men with men and women with women' shit basically implausible, and having the same friends (because shock horror, you can be friends with people of other genders) only adds to the confusion. They could be 'progressive' by ignoring that restrictive tradition but in this case they chose not to. Fair enough.

So maybe I saw this easier than others through my own experience and I get we all have different experiences so I get how the link may not be immediately obvious to everyone. But maybe instead of dismissing Dan's thoughts because you don't get the link he's making, people could try to see where he's coming from instead of writing them off straight away.

edit blueapple_x no I know nobody's calling him problematic here - my point was he gets called problematic one day and then gets accused of overkill the next

Whoops no need to make timestamps, engageddan covered it all for me.
jk I'm still gonna do timestamps tomorrow bc I'm addicted to the organization of my own files but honestly this trumps whatever I'm gonna write.