Dan & Phil Part 2: lol bye gg

[Kurapika]

I fucking hope they don't post any videos for April's Fools. They should do nothing. No tweets, no posts anywhere, nothing. Pretend they don't exist.

[alittledizzy]

I fucking hope they don't post any videos for April's Fools. They should do nothing. No tweets, no posts anywhere, nothing. Pretend they don't exist.

How much will you hate me if I say that your bitterness amuses me? I feel now like if they post something it will literally be just to troll you, and that is delightful.

(I wasn't around for last year's but I like the concept and I hope they post something tomorrow but it's totally off the wall and not just what everyone expects, which is another new channel/video.)

[lilMango]

All the trends can take a hike
Please me all your goddamn likes

I freaking hate all of those stupid trends
but please share this video with all of your friends

[Kurapika]

I fucking hope they don't post any videos for April's Fools. They should do nothing. No tweets, no posts anywhere, nothing. Pretend they don't exist.

How much will you hate me if I say that your bitterness amuses me? I feel now like if they post something it will literally be just to troll you, and that is delightful.

(I wasn't around for last year's but I like the concept and I hope they post something tomorrow but it's totally off the wall and not just what everyone expects, which is another new channel/video.)

How dare you be amused by my suffering

I love the Crafts video don't get me wrong, but the phandom ruined it for me with comenting "don't x, craft!" under every single video I watch on Youtube.
But tbh, I hope they join in the dog thing on twitter. I really like it lol

[lilMango]

My favorite "critique of YouTube culture" song will always be "YouTube Whore" by PewDiePie, personally.

Why does this make me feel guilty? lol... like "I'm sorry you had to do all of that dick sucking, I really am sorry"

[angrymob]

All the trends can take a hike
Please me all your goddamn likes

I freaking hate all of those stupid trends
but please share this video with all of your friends

All these trends are shit.
Except the ones I do.
They're always a hit.
...
Please subscribe to me.

[lilMango]

All the trends can take a hike
Please me all your goddamn likes

I freaking hate all of those stupid trends
but please share this video with all of your friends

All these trends are shit.
Except the ones I do.
They're always a hit.
...
Please subscribe to me.

Challenge videos are so dumb,
you should never watch a single one,
except, to mine....you MUST SUCCUMB :twisted:

[majitzu]

My favorite "critique of YouTube culture" song will always be "YouTube Whore" by PewDiePie, personally.

Why does this make me feel guilty? lol... like "I'm sorry you had to do all of that dick sucking, I really am sorry"

Thanks for the link, I watched this when it was upload cause everyone on tumblr was talking about how funny it was. Even Dan talk about the song in a ls (he said he like it).

Pews really rock it with this.

[angrymob]

My favorite "critique of YouTube culture" song will always be "YouTube Whore" by PewDiePie, personally.

Why does this make me feel guilty? lol... like "I'm sorry you had to do all of that dick sucking, I really am sorry"

Thanks for the link, I watched this when it was upload cause everyone on tumblr was talking about how funny it was. Even Dan talk about the song in a ls (he said he like it).

Pews really rock it with this.

What liveshow was that?

*shines resident site archiver/s bat signal*

[clarinetupmyass]

i don't have anything of substance to add to the current discussion but after reading 40+ pages of posts can i just express my undying love for you all?

[ayane]

What liveshow was that?

*shines resident site archiver/s bat signal*

@ 24:07

and if you haven't watched the whole thing. it's gold. especially dan screaming into his phone for the 7sc

btw, love the song you all are writing

[Gemini]

More stuff happening over at GG.
[offtopic]GG is now a login only site. That's going to make him lose even more people. I'm guessing it's an April Fools joke thing though.

Due to Recent Unruly Members

I'm now performing strict maintenance of the forum, good luck all....


Think he's talking about us? [/offtopic]

[angrymob]

@ 24:07

and if you haven't watched the whole thing. it's gold. especially dan screaming into his phone for the 7sc

btw, love the song you all are writing

Thanks!

[majitzu]

It's April 1st which means ...

Calendar photo

So beautiful

Here is still march 31 but is almost april 1st so whatever

[gasp]

[offtopic]Bit late, but I can confirm that I am very much under 30,and am a big fan of RHPS.
I had good friends who regularly participated in a shadowcast, so I've seen it too many times (if that is possible)[/offtopic]

[oqua]

What liveshow was that?

*shines resident site archiver/s bat signal*

@ 24:07

and if you haven't watched the whole thing. it's gold. especially dan screaming into his phone for the 7sc

btw, love the song you all are writing

He also praises it in these tweets in response to PewDiePie's tweet about it.

When I found the song it I listened to it on repeat for like a whole day straight. It’s so catchy.

And the whole time, I just kept thinking of Dan, idk. I think the song articulates EXACTLY what he doesn’t ever ever want to do or be. And yet at the same time, ironically, I think Dan does (or at least did) desperately crave attention and has a certain kind of personality that makes him open to doing slightly demeaning things. For example, on DailyBooth, he was pretty willing to post whatever people wanted in order to attract followers (e.g. nakedbooths), and in at least one of the captions he straight-up said he felt like he was prostituting himself. I think he’s made that kind of remark on other occasions as well. So to me, the “YouTube Whore” song describes what very well could have been Dan, had he started YouTube while he was in a more vulnerable/desperate position, without the safety-net of his association with Phil. He’s actually been pretty lucky, in my opinion, and his early/continued success has given him a lot of privileges. He’s able to do things like never spon Audible, bash challenge videos, etc. But at the same time, I bet Dan has plenty of personal “walls of dicks” that he’s sucked. Maybe Phan itself is one. Who knows.

Sorry if this sounds really cynical.

P.S. If anyone ever wants to make a video correlating parts of this song with clips from various popular YouTubers’ videos, I would watch it. I actually think it’d be kind of poignant?

[majitzu]

felucca look what I found in tumblr

http://spacecattle.tumblr.com/post/1420 ... eos-just-a

[mamaphan]

I love how so many people have joined and all the new posts.
Just wanted to say Hi and please never think what you are going to post is not worthy, or that your English is not good enough, every person that joins this forum is important and we all welcome whatever your thoughts are. And I am always blown away at the people that can write or speak in different languages you inspire me and a lot of times you sound better than I do.

I am 39 and I am going to tatinof by myself my daughter is 15 but she said she didn't want to go because of the phandom. I will be in the 7th row right in the middle and I am so excited. I didn't do a vip and I am kinda happy I can just enjoy going to the show and not have that stomach flippy over thing that happens when I go to meet and greets. So if anyone is going to the Milwaukee show on Sunday just look for the old lady with a big smile on her face proudly wearing her Dan and Phil shirt.

Love and Hugs

[trashqueen]

i love how many lurkers coming out from the shadows (welcome btw) are calling the gg thread elitist and stuff like that when we were literally the same people posting

we love you too guys

im jk

And the whole time, I just kept thinking of Dan, idk. I think the song articulates EXACTLY what he doesn’t ever ever want to do or be. And yet at the same time, ironically, I think Dan does (or at least did) desperately crave attention and has a certain kind of personality that makes him open to doing slightly demeaning things. For example, on DailyBooth, he was pretty willing to post whatever people wanted in order to attract followers (e.g. nakedbooths), and in at least one of the captions he straight-up said he felt like he was prostituting himself. I think he’s made that kind of remark on other occasions as well. So to me, the “YouTube Whore” song describes what very well could have been Dan, had he started YouTube while he was in a more vulnerable/desperate position, without the safety-net of his association with Phil. He’s actually been pretty lucky, in my opinion, and his early/continued success has given him a lot of privileges. He’s able to do things like never spon Audible, bash challenge videos, etc. But at the same time, I bet Dan has plenty of personal “walls of dicks” that he’s sucked. Maybe Phan itself is one. Who knows.

YESSSS I COMPLETELY AGREE

i actually said something like this a few months ago when the gg thread was going through that one dramatic stage when we all kept fighting each other for some reason (i'm blaming d&p for not giving us things to talk about) and i think most people disagreed, but oh well, maybe it was the mood of the thread at the time idk

i think dan had it extremely easy at the time all thanks to phil, he never had to prove himself and start from zero, he basically had an audience willing to commit as fanbase from the start, and maybe that's still somewhere at the back of his mind making him insecure and making him feel like he has to prove himself

idk, as we know he's pretty self aware and feels the constant need to justify his actions, that might have something to do with it (although i'm pretty sure he doesn't care as much now as he might have a few years ago, closer to 2009, but still)

im a big fan of online april fools day (i can already smell the clever advertising campaigns i'm gonna be discussing in class next week), so i really hope they do something cool, not necessarily a video (irl april fools is v annoying though)

[akui]

My favorite "critique of YouTube culture" song will always be "YouTube Whore" by PewDiePie, personally.

No wonder pew can be on South Park, this song just screams Cartman to me.

I think the problem with youtube is that this is a very young industry with relatively young group of creator. Some of them are literally kids. The industry itself lacks regulation and moral guidelines, and most of these youtuber are not mature enough to make good decisions.

I believe the nakedbooth not only happened to Dan, but to a lot of other youtubers in a similar way, or still happening. I just feel like for Dan it's more than just bants, it's more like a self mockery after self reflection but in a more subtle, self removal way.

I'm i making sense?

[Martina]

http://pheelsamazinglynotonfire.tumblr. ... re-not-out
if anyone wanted to share their thoughts on this bit of dan's live show from late last year, i'd really appreciate, i saw it a few weeks ago for the first time & it's been on my mind ever since, like whoa a lot of information & boy does he need a rebranding after the tour
[offtopic]sorry, no idea how to put tumblr videos on here[/offtopic]

tbh I don't think he needs to completely rebrand himself, but he needs to stop pigeonhole himself. danisnotonfire is not an evil alterego that prevents Dan to express depth, sincerity or any other emotion than relatable irony. He has made it himself by becoming a caricature of danisnotonfire.
It has not always been that way but he has been going more and more one note, further and further in this caricatural presentation of himself. Without completely changing everything and having a like Miley Cyrus explosion, I think he can just ease back to being a bit more himself aka a bit more subtle and just more than deadpan relatable self-deprecation.
It has always been clear the persona on his channel was only a small part of his personality and he has stated it before. It just seems like he forgot it at some point?

Putting this under spoiler because you might be tired of this subject by now, but I wanted put my two cents into the conversation before we move on

I agree that Dan CAN change his content to be less… dinof-like without changing his username if he really wants to. But will he really? He knows that loads of people would miss his old username, and that's something that would normally make him back off from doing it. He's terrified of what other people think of him: he never expresses any big opinions 'cause he can't stand the thought of people not liking what he says, he couldn't tell people off for stalking and harassing his brother without adding "I'm joking!" at the end 'cause he thinks he sounds too harsh, they couldn't be honest and tell us that they're not doing the radio show anymore 'cause they know people are going to be sad about it. I was practically celebrating when he said that we should be prepared for a rebranding, because it sounds like such an unusually brave thing for him to do since he knows that many people aren't going to be happy about it. To be blunt, I don’t believe for a second that his content is actually going to change unless he does something drastic.

The problem isn't that viewers are tired of dinof; it's that Dan is. I think rebranding while still on youtube is a good idea because it doesn't matter how good the brand still is if he is the brand and he's lost passion for making content that fits the brand. He clearly wants to be something besides danisnotonfire and my hope would be that a rebranding would bring forth new creative energy and he'd actually go back to making videos. I do agree that it's possible to change your brand without changing an identifier but I think Dan has some very close associations with what dinof is and represents for him that he wants to move away from.

This!

[jhamba]

im jk

And the whole time, I just kept thinking of Dan, idk. I think the song articulates EXACTLY what he doesn’t ever ever want to do or be. And yet at the same time, ironically, I think Dan does (or at least did) desperately crave attention and has a certain kind of personality that makes him open to doing slightly demeaning things. For example, on DailyBooth, he was pretty willing to post whatever people wanted in order to attract followers (e.g. nakedbooths), and in at least one of the captions he straight-up said he felt like he was prostituting himself. I think he’s made that kind of remark on other occasions as well. So to me, the “YouTube Whore” song describes what very well could have been Dan, had he started YouTube while he was in a more vulnerable/desperate position, without the safety-net of his association with Phil. He’s actually been pretty lucky, in my opinion, and his early/continued success has given him a lot of privileges. He’s able to do things like never spon Audible, bash challenge videos, etc. But at the same time, I bet Dan has plenty of personal “walls of dicks” that he’s sucked. Maybe Phan itself is one. Who knows.

YESSSS I COMPLETELY AGREE

i actually said something like this a few months ago when the gg thread was going through that one dramatic stage when we all kept fighting each other for some reason (i'm blaming d&p for not giving us things to talk about) and i think most people disagreed, but oh well, maybe it was the mood of the thread at the time idk

i think dan had it extremely easy at the time all thanks to phil, he never had to prove himself and start from zero, he basically had an audience willing to commit as fanbase from the start, and maybe that's still somewhere at the back of his mind making him insecure and making him feel like he has to prove himself

idk, as we know he's pretty self aware and feels the constant need to justify his actions, that might have something to do with it (although i'm pretty sure he doesn't care as much now as he might have a few years ago, closer to 2009, but still)

im a big fan of online april fools day (i can already smell the clever advertising campaigns i'm gonna be discussing in class next week), so i really hope they do something cool, not necessarily a video (irl april fools is v annoying though)

I think Dan has always been kind of self aware about how he became popular. One of my favourite videos of all time is How To Befriend Your Favourite Internet Stars, just because it's so self aware, cynical, and calling everyone, including himself out. I mean, times have changed, and this was more relevant then than it is now. But, even back then, he wasn't clueless about how he got to where he was.

Also, about elitist accusations, you guys must be long time lurkers, bc that was us (the old timers), when we had stopped posting, and were mad GG wasn't interesting anymore. That was, like, more than 3 months ago. The new crowd in GG was quite nice

[angrymob]

i love how many lurkers coming out from the shadows (welcome btw) are calling the gg thread elitist and stuff like that when we were literally the same people posting

we love you too guys

im jk

Nah, it was obviously an elitist group of people who had fast internet and unlimited patience and forethought to save their posts on such a buggy site. The rest of us were just mere mortals who weren't worthy.

But in reality, I think it was just the reputation of the site that made everyone seem very aggressive or dismissive (even when they weren't), as well as the fact that there was no way to really introduce yourself without interrupting a conversation.

i actually said something like this a few months ago when the gg thread was going through that one dramatic stage when we all kept fighting each other for some reason (i'm blaming d&p for not giving us things to talk about) and i think most people disagreed, but oh well, maybe it was the mood of the thread at the time idk

i think dan had it extremely easy at the time all thanks to phil, he never had to prove himself and start from zero, he basically had an audience willing to commit as fanbase from the start, and maybe that's still somewhere at the back of his mind making him insecure and making him feel like he has to prove himself

idk, as we know he's pretty self aware and feels the constant need to justify his actions, that might have something to do with it (although i'm pretty sure he doesn't care as much now as he might have a few years ago, closer to 2009, but still)

I think I may have agreed with you or I at least said the same opinion at another time. Dan definitely got to skip a few steps thanks to Phil. Starting off with a youtube friend that can promote you to their followers helps, since that is usually the hardest first step to acquire (making friends with popular youtubers that is),especially now that the recommendation system is different, so no hope of getting the front page. That being said, befriending Phil was probably another metaphorical dick that he metaphorically had to suck. Sure, much more metaphorically enjoyable since he got friendship out of it this metaphor is killing me, but it was still a bit along the lines of putting yourself out there in a vunerable way to beg for a collab, a guest spot, or a shout out. For attention that he may not have gotten without Phil. And maybe the nakedbooths were just him attempting to get that first metaphorical dick to metaphorically suck in the first place. Climbing the ladder to success they say.

Now, the real question is whose dick did Phil metaphorically suck to get his first few subscribers?

[jhamba]

i love how many lurkers coming out from the shadows (welcome btw) are calling the gg thread elitist and stuff like that when we were literally the same people posting

we love you too guys

im jk

Nah, it was obviously an elitist group of people who had fast internet and unlimited patience and forethought to save their posts on such a buggy site. The rest of us were just mere mortals who weren't worthy.

But in reality, I think it was just the reputation of the site that made everyone seem very aggressive or dismissive (even when they weren't), as well as the fact that there was no way to really introduce yourself without interrupting a conversation.

maybe. I think interrupting a conversation without introducing yourself is the best course of action. It's what I have always done. People aren't likely to find you rude, but they may counter what you say, which is fine.

[kay]

i think dan had it extremely easy at the time all thanks to phil, he never had to prove himself and start from zero, he basically had an audience willing to commit as fanbase from the start, and maybe that's still somewhere at the back of his mind making him insecure and making him feel like he has to prove himself

idk, as we know he's pretty self aware and feels the constant need to justify his actions, that might have something to do with it (although i'm pretty sure he doesn't care as much now as he might have a few years ago, closer to 2009, but still)

I totally agree with this. I always see Dan as so conflicted, part confident and happy, pleased with what he's creating and where he's going, and part completely insecure and doubting every move. I mean that Tumblr/YouNow video was basically two minutes of him apologizing for being too sincerely appreciative ("soppy" in his words). They'd just finished these two huge accomplishments and I don't know, that's not something I think he should've felt he needed to apologize for. But therein lies the conflict, I guess. What a gemini istg

I also feel like we dissect Dan so much that I'd really like to crack open Phil that sounded wrong but he doesn't really give us much to go on, does he? Wonder if/when that will change.